2003 LS-1 mated to 4L60E What's it worth?

[FJAggie07]

This guy is claiming to have a 2003 LS-1 that came out of a 1/2 ton pickup mated to a 4L60E in this rig I am looking at. Seeing as how I know nothing about any engine that WASN'T designed by Toyota I look to my TAMOR brethren to school me on this set up and what it is worth?

I know Fred will have something to say about this, anybody please let me know what kind of motors these are, anything you know about the Tranny and if his crap he is spewing about what it is worth is true. Thanks guys.:)

[DRAGOONRANCH]

the '03 model was the only one with a major flaw in it. Just hold on to it and I will happily dispose of it when I get home. ;)

[FJAggie07]

Thanks smartass! :flipoff2:

Seriously All I know is that they are great engine's but what makes them great? What are they worth? I want to buy this rig and just need to know if what he is asking is reasonable or not.

[Fredo]

The trucks didn't get "LS1's" technically. An LS1 is the all aluminum 5.7L that they put in the vettes and camaros. The trucks had steel block variants of this design. Good motors, but you need to know what size it is. For 2003, it could have been a 4.8L, a 5.3L, or a 6.0L. All good engines. I don't think they put 4L60E's behind the 6.0L, so i'm pretty sure that rules that motor out. Plus, he says it's out of a 1/2 ton, so more than likely a 5.3 or 4.8. It's almost impossible to tell these motors apart without having a fiber optic scope to look at the top of the piston, or have the vin from the truck it came out of to prove what it was. Anyway, that's a whole different discussion.

What is is worth? I've seen 5.3L/4L60E combos go as cheap as $750. Generally, people pay anywhere between $1000-2500 for those setups from what I've seen. I personally wouldn't pay over $1250 for a 5.3L/4L60e combo.

[FJAggie07]

It is the 5.3L. So it isn't technically an LS-1? And what does Vortec mean on these things? Does that actually denote anything special?

Thanks Fred, that is what I was thinking too about 1500 - 2000 but this guy is claiming $10,000... :rolleyes:

[BMFScout]

maybe if he had a shop install it, they wired it and all, and he overpaid...

[FJAggie07]

Actually the guy is a shop, a Cruiser resto shop and Cruiser nuts are all fawking crazy. Don't get me wrong the Cruiser is beautiful more of a keep pretty rig, not a wheel beat the **** out of Rig but I am just formulating what I want to offer him.

[tigweld]

they have a designation and it's not ls-1, but they are of the ls series. this is common and drives me nuts

The trucks all start with lq and have a number like 4, 5, 8 behind it, and they all have different ratings.

[Fredo]

LM7 is what the standard issue 5.3L is called, LQ4 is one of the 6.0L, the 4.8 is a LR4? I think, the LQ9 is the Caddy 6.0L, and L59 is the 5.3 flex fuel code, and the LM3 is the 5.3L transverse motor they put in the impala SS's.....those are the only ones I can remember off the top of my head.

[FJAggie07]

Thanks guys I really appreciate it. Damn I need to round up this wylie crew and buy ya'll a beer.

[Graystroke]

sounds like ya'll are $9000 dollars apart from making a deal. :)
and if he tells you it cost $10k again point him towards the GM Performance Parts website and show him that a brand new one of these is only $6k
http://www.currymotors.gmmotors.com/catalog/crateengines/GMPerformanceParts62L403hpL92Engine.aspx

[FJAggie07]

Actually we are about $12,000 apart from making a deal. I don't think he is budging, and I sure as hell ain't going any higher. I am going to let him sit on it for a week though before I put in my offer.

[tigweld]

if you came to me offering 12g's less than I was asking I would definantly laugh in your face and send u packin'.

[Doug Krebs]

if you came to me offering 12g's less than I was asking I would definantly laugh in your face and send u packin'.

you're cute!

[FJAggie07]

Thus the reason I haven't made the offer. Times are tough, and what he is asking for the vehicle is unbelievably unrealistic. I probably won't actually offer him anything, but I am going to let him sit on the truck, and figure out what it is really worth.

What's really funny about right now, is there are a lot of people selling rigs, cause they need the money, but nothing really good. It is kind of difficult to figure out what I should buy, or if I should just sit around and twiddle my thumbs waiting for something to pop up.

The 40 that this thread is about is not in anyway worth what he is asking, but the guy owns a Cruiser Restoration Shop, and a fool and his money are soon parted I guess.

[FJAggie07]

Said Cruiser...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___toyota-land-cruiser-fj40-fj-40-landcruiser-4x4-jeep_W0QQitemZ300265802291QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truck sQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300265802291&_trkparms=72%3A727|39%3A1|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

I called him and he tells me he wants $22,000. Now seeing as how my family is in the middle of resto'ing a cruiser I understand how much money goes into these things, but this guy doesn't even have a Top or doors for the 40. I just found it a little humorous when he told me "The engine and Tranny came out of a totaled 2003 1/2 ton with 3,000 miles on it, it is worth $10,000". That's when I started to end the convo... Oh well, nice cruiser.

[JeepPhisherman]

I'll bet he gets closer to what he's asking than what you're willing to pay. That's a nice looking truck.

Already dune beige too!

[BMFScout]

That motor is older than 03 if my memory serves me correctly due to the square-ishness of the plastic engine cover.

[Doug Krebs]

3 things that annoy with a 20 second glance.

Side pipe exhaust, really?
Parts store looking battery
1" longer bolts than necassary on the heater blower motor...

It does look very clean though.

[FJAggie07]

I'll bet he gets closer to what he's asking than what you're willing to pay. That's a nice looking truck.

Already dune beige too!

Yeah, thus the reason I will just watch the Auction and keep on waiting.


That motor is older than 03 if my memory serves me correctly due to the square-ishness of the plastic engine cover.

hmmm... interesting.


3 things that annoy with a 20 second glance.

Side pipe exhaust, really?
Parts store looking battery
1" longer bolts than necassary on the heater blower motor...

It does look very clean though.

Yeah I have seen a couple of this guys cruisers and they are all side exit exhaust, I do not understand this at all. first thing I would change if I bought it.

I think I am ok with the Battery, and the heater I didn't notice...

[robertf03]

a few observations:

1.the auction lists the VOC for the primer he uses, why?
2. no MAF sensor
3. throttle cables on an 03?
4. no loom on the harness
5. patch on the rear quarter passenger side. Is that supposed to be there?
6. shatty exhaust
7. poor body panel fitment (fender lines)

[FJAggie07]

Good catches. I saw the patch too, but that could be there if the 40 had an auxilary Gas Tank and he took it out.

dunno anything about why he listed the primer ****.

[Fredo]

The square engine cover is off of 1999/2000 model 5.3's. 2002 was the last year of cable throttle bodies, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. He could have swapped that throttle body on there because he didn't want to figure out the drive-by-wire setup from the 2003. Subsequently, I think he would have to use an earlier harness and ECM if this were the case. I can't remember all the details on that. I've slept and drank since I researched that last. Looking at that copper tube hooked into the front of that intake manifold, I would say that intake is also older than 03 because that port is capped off after mid-2002 because of the elimination of the older style EGR system.

[Doug Krebs]

What about the thermocouple/sending unit tied up in the left hand side of the pic in the engine compartment?

[robertf03]

thats for the engine bay temp gauge

[agjohn02]

you cant reach the shifter

[agjohn02]

why would you even consider buying another rig you dont want to mess up?

[FJAggie07]

Why do you have your Scout?

EDIT: I just thought it was cool, I still have a deal going to buy an actual wheeling rig, this was just something I saw on Ebay that peeked my interest. I am tired of the FJC and looking at what I will replace it with some day.

[jerryg79]

a few observations:

1.the auction lists the VOC for the primer he uses, why?


probably cause he doesnt know what it means and read it off the can

[agjohn02]

Why do you have your Scout?

because i bought it to drive before i started this rock crawling gig. its for sale. sounds like we can work a deal.

[BMFScout]

Why do you have your Scout?

this was just something I saw on Ebay that peeked my interest.


piqued

[FJAggie07]

because i bought it to drive before i started this rock crawling gig. its for sale. sounds like we can work a deal.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

no thanks. I just have always liked old FJ40's and FJ45 Pickups, might want to get one, one day.

[Fredo]

because i bought it to drive before i started this rock crawling gig. its for sale. sounds like we can work a deal.

Wanna sell your driver's fender and door? :gigem:

[agjohn02]

yes. probably more than you want to pay for them though. they come with a free scout.

[FJAggie07]

***!

Thanks guys for all the info in this thread, good to know when I actually start looking at nice engine swapped 40's and 45's to replace the FJC.

[robertf03]

the blurb about being able to change shift points should read this way:

runs like ass and something is wrong with the transmission, but I'm including some software that might fix the problem.

[Seth]

I havent even looked at the ebay yet, I am still in shock that he said that engine is worth 10 grand. i mean really, come on.

[Seth]

exhaust looks like crap, tail lights too. and bedliner. dont buy that piece of poo.

[agjohn02]

I havent even looked at the ebay yet, I am still in shock that he said that engine is worth 10 grand. i mean really, come on.

according to these guys 550hp is worth $10k.


http://www.mastmotorsports.com/

[tigweld]

their market is def not people like us, 10g's for a motor isn't anything for somebody building a 250k street rod.

[Graystroke]

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/880980560.html

[FJAggie07]

Gotta love them BJ's... :D

And Brecks.

[Graystroke]

i'm guessing he is a native of El Salvador

[DRAGOONRANCH]

That is kind of cool as there are mitsubishi 4door diesel L200's in Peru and those would be a very pimp trail rig with some good axles under them. :D

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f192/DRAGOONRANCH/WORK1/December%2006%20attacks/STA60065.jpg

[Reckless]

minus the haji speed holes in the glass and doors:flipoff3:

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Gives it character (and plenty of drunken stories to tell) ;)

[Sharpe]

Chris I posted this before you were around. Should fill your spank bank for awhile

http://tamor.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7076&highlight=toyota

[FJAggie07]

haha Thanks Sharpe. I have always wished they would bring the 70 Series over to america...

http://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-70-series

[Sharpe]

Wtf does a Nm translate into non-limey?

[Fredo]

it makes rougly 317.15 ft/lbs of torque and 202 hp

[jerryg79]

Wtf does a Nm translate into non-limey?

they have wierd names for things in Limey-land, a hood is a bonnet, a windshield is a windscreen, and john cox is a cigarette.

[BMFScout]

Can I bum a John Cox?

[agjohn02]

Can I bum a John Cox?

no, but you can suck on one

[agjohn02]

Wtf does a Nm translate into non-limey?

are you joking? no wonder you didnt stay in engineering.:flipoff2:

[Graystroke]

Nm= Nice mangos

[Reckless]

Nm= nom nom nom

[JB]

no mames! (sp?)

[DRAGOONRANCH]

This thread finally got worth reading. :D