Tool help

[breckboarder55]

I have some seriously seized bolts that are keeping my from pulling my manifold exhaust (cracked). I have shot them with pb blaster, and am using the largest breaker bar that will fit. But can get them to budge. Due to their location set into a little flange I can not saw them off. So I'm stumped.

Does any one have a MAP gas torch or something similar I can use to heat the nuts up in an attempt to break them loose?

Any help or insight is greatly appreciated.

[Graystroke]

down pipe bolts? if so you need an impact to get them off or plan on snapping them off. an impact will loosen the rust a little...if you're lucky. if the head impact as well or try hitting them w/ punch and hammer on the end to loosen a little.

[Eckert]

Any help or insight is greatly appreciated.

jb weld

[eight]

Use a leverage device on the breaker bar.

Just how big is this bolt you can't snap? Maybe try eating meat and potatoes instead of salad?

[Fredo]

remember, righty tighty, lefty loosey. Just checking.

[8Runner]

You can come try the impact over here.

[colman]

a;right give me a call on saturday afternoon and i will make it work

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Use a leverage device on the breaker bar.

Just how big is this bolt you can't snap? Maybe try eating meat and potatoes instead of salad?


Ask Monique


remember, righty tighty, lefty loosey. Just checking.

:laughing: 3 good zingers right in a row.

[uglyota]

dremel them off? If the manifold's trashed anyway, grind it off to make room? You can hit a (craftsman) ratchet on the handle with a 3lb sledge for a ghetto impact

[breckboarder55]

Well, I have the intake manifold and fuel lines off, and p/s pump all off because they bolt up with the exhaust manifold... So its not exactly drivable... Unless I put it all back together.

My dremel is at my parents house in Houston.
Yes it is the down pipe bolts.

I have the largest size breaker that will fit in the space with out hitting a control arm or fender, exc. My tq wrench will not fit.

[breckboarder55]

You can come try the impact over here.

I will take you up on that offer :gigem:

When is a good time?

[jerryg79]

Need a ride? If so call me, I'm planning on heading to Houston around 3:30 and get out of class at 3.

unless the jeep can ride too your logistics be fvcked.

[uglyota]

You should get a ride to Harbor Freight and get yourself a Chicago Electric dremel with 2-year warranty plan.

[breckboarder55]

I have a craftsmen one in Houston, I don't want to buy another one.

[breckboarder55]

I think I might just put it all back together and drive to Houston and do it.

[breckboarder55]

Cluster****.

That is a good way to describe how this is going. After getting the manifold off with an impact, I discovered that there were bolts missing on the manifold.

Two to be exact. Upon further examination I found *PART* of each bolt... Broken off inside the head. There was literally no gasket at all in between the head and the manifold.

So the previous owner had a shop do it, and they obviously ****ed up real bad... and didn't tell him.

So I'm pulling the head and going to have a machine shop re-thread them for me since the drill/tap method isn't/can't work. No one can get to it until Monday, so I will be driven back to CS, and have no vehicle for a week. Fun

[Graystroke]

easy out won't work?

[Eckert]

putting it back together minus two bolt wont work?

[85cj7]

easy out won't work?

x2

[breckboarder55]

Having clearance issue on one so I can't drill it out because of the firewall, the other I got no were.

I'll try again once I have the head out.

In my stupidity, while pulling the rods, my hand hit a bracket and I dropped the rod into the motor... Hopefully I can get to it when I pull the head.

[colman]

also check where the collector tubes merge in the hedder. they are very prone to cracking

[TMatheaus]

use a extendable magnet to get the rod

[DRAGOONRANCH]

If you can't get an entire drill in to the one bolt, get a 90deg. drill or the adapter that lets you 'drill around corners' or what ever they call it. Might cost you a few bucks for the drill or attachment, but should be cheaper than having someone else do it if you want to save some dough.

[Sharpe]

**** all that noise just weld the manifold to the head and forget about bolts all together!

[breckboarder55]

I pulled the head this morning, Ryan gave me a ride back to CS. (thanks)

I'll be putting it all back together next weekend, so for now I have no vehicle.

*** welding a manifold to the head. More crack-ege.

[Sharpe]

So which one of yall enjoyed the road-head more?

[breckboarder55]

No road-head, something better. We saw a Ferrari F40!

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/breckboarder55/P2080037.jpg

What my gasket for intake/exhaust manifold looked like:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/breckboarder55/P2070025.jpg

You kind kind of see where the first bolt is broken off in the head on here.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/breckboarder55/P2070027.jpg

Head pulled: I kind of have the feeling its had head work done before? The Original owner (no mechanical knowledge whatsoever.)
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/breckboarder55/P2080029.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/breckboarder55/P2080030.jpg

[85cj7]

whats up with those shoes?????????!!!!!!!

[uglyota]

Forget the dremel...you don't have a set of vicegrips?

[breckboarder55]

whats up with those shoes?????????!!!!!!!

They are called shandalls, which happen to be one of the greatest inventions of all time.

You cant use vice grips to get them out, they are both recessed into the head. So its not possible to get them out... You are probably seeing the dowel used to line up the gasket/intake manifold.

[uglyota]

yeah that's what I'm seeing. My bad. This is on a 4cyl Jeep, right? Shouldn't you be able to get one of those heads at a pick n pull for like $10, or out of someone's backyard for free? You must be getting close to the maximum reasonable effort that should be expended on that motor.

[uglyota]

and I applaud your choice of footwear...they're not samoan safety shoes but they're close :gigem:

[Sharpe]

Again, why not use an EZ-out. Uber simple and even Hot Pocket could probably do it.

[breckboarder55]

Yes, this is a four cylinder. I suppose I could pull one, but this one seems to be in good condition so I will stick with it. It's my DD, I don't want to take any risks.

I just don't think its going to be strong enough to get it out. If I can get back to Houston before Friday I will give it a shot not that its out, but if I can't I will just see if I can get my Dad to take it to a machine shop. That and it took me quite a bit of force to get the other bolts out, while using a 1/2" big breaker.

[uglyota]

Did it take a lot of force just to break them, or every turn? Remember these broken ones aren't under tension.

[BMFScout]

Right, they are no longer under tension, usually come out easier. Get a lefty reverse rotation drill bit set from VatoZone to drill the holes for the EZ Out. Sometimes they will come out just by drilling the bolt. I like the round ez-outs better than the square.

[breckboarder55]

Did it take a lot of force just to break them, or every turn? Remember these broken ones aren't under tension.

Allot to break them, and for the first couple of full turns.

[breckboarder55]

Right, they are no longer under tension, usually come out easier. Get a lefty reverse rotation drill bit set from VatoZone to drill the holes for the EZ Out. Sometimes they will come out just by drilling the bolt. I like the round ez-outs better than the square.

Cool, I will try this.

Thanks for everyone's input/advice. :beer:

[Eckert]

Yes, this is a four cylinder. I suppose I could pull one, but this one seems to be in good condition so I will stick with it. It's my DD, I don't want to take any risks.

explain? im not seeing the "risk" part.

[breckboarder55]

explain? im not seeing the "risk" part.

Well I guess there isn't really a risk... If I can see the head...

Maybe I should take out a student loan and drop in an LSX instead? :p

[Sharpe]

Well I guess there isn't really a risk... If I can see the head...

Maybe I should take out a student loan and drop in an LSX instead? :p

There's the attitude we've been trying to beat into you :gigem: