Mounting a M12000 on a Duramax... [Archive]

KrazyKarl02

08-09-2009, 09:32 PM

Like the title says, Mounting a M12000 on a Duramax... and it not looking like an abortion.

So I picked up an M12000 on the cheap and would like to put it on the front of my Duramax. My problem is I do not like the look of the giant front bumpers that are being made for these trucks. I do not want something that sticks off the front of my truck like a swahilli woman's lip... My other problem is there is no freaking way I am pating $1500 for a giant anchor to mount to the front of my truck.

What I would really like to do is put the winch behind the stock bumper and cut a spot in the stock bumper for the winch cable. I have never seen this and I do not think there is room. My second choice would be a small winch monut or maybe put a front reciever hitch on.

Thoughts?

KrazyKarl02

08-09-2009, 09:34 PM

Here is a stock bumper.

KrazyKarl02

08-09-2009, 09:37 PM

Buckstop makes this one, it does not look too bad. It is close to the grill and still can hold a winch.

KrazyKarl02

08-09-2009, 09:40 PM

Tough Country also makes this little guy. They want $995 for it, Seems like something I could make, but I really do not want to cludge together a bumper.

robertf03

08-09-2009, 09:48 PM

euro bar? sweet, the disco needs one. Do they sell it seperate?

i have no idea whats behind the bumper, but maybe there is room to build a tray that holds the winch and bolts to the frame rails, cut a hole behind the license and flip it up to get to the fairlead

08-09-2009, 09:59 PM

eight

08-09-2009, 10:18 PM

Here's the light ranch hand. You can get it with a hidden winch mount.
http://www.ranchhand.com/frontbumpersummit.aspx

eight

08-09-2009, 10:24 PM

I think these fit the lines of the truck better. I don't know if they offer a hidden winch mount.
http://www.frontier-gear.com/html/FrontBumperReplacements.html

bcolman

08-09-2009, 10:47 PM

i have the frontier gear front replacement on my new truck, ill take a look at it tomorrow and let you know if there are provisions for a winch and ill take a picture of it so you can see what it looks like

DRAGOONRANCH

08-09-2009, 11:31 PM

FWIW, here is the quote I got on pbb for the fabfours winch bumper for our model trucks.

The price of the Fab Fours #CH05-A1350-1 is $2317.56 and I'll cover the shipping. Just let me know.

Cheers,
Justin
RPM OFFROAD

I don't know if the 'TAMOR discount' would be any better.

stx4wheeler

08-09-2009, 11:50 PM

i think that bumper is about 1k-1500 more than what he is wanting to spend just to mount a winch.

me likeyy the second one you posted karl

DRAGOONRANCH

08-10-2009, 12:37 AM

i think that bumper is about 1k-1500 more than what he is wanting to spend just to mount a winch.

Yes, the reason I don't already have one on my truck is that I feel the same way. ;)

KrazyKarl02

08-10-2009, 07:27 AM

Warns website sucks when it comes to showing pictures of their products on different model vehicles, but they have several different ways to mount a winch to that truck. It shows a hidden kit, like I have on the F150, but it requires a special short drum XD 9000.

Do you have the link? I hate Warn's website.

i think that bumper is about 1k-1500 more than what he is wanting to spend just to mount a winch.

me likeyy the second one you posted karl

Yeah, What I would like to spend and what I will have to spend are 2 different things. I would like to spend nothing... The second one I posted I think looks good with or without the Eurotrash bar, but seriously that thing is a piece of 4 inch pipe with 2 angle bends and then like 4 pieces of diamond plate for $1000!!!

eight

08-10-2009, 08:41 AM

You can get a front like that for $600-700 maybe less.

TMatheaus

08-10-2009, 09:02 AM

give this place a call, they are in channelview, and have quite a few different styles for cheap http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/1296977747.html

jerryg79

08-10-2009, 09:07 AM

Has anyone posted this ARB yet. I figured they would be sky high, but they are "only" $1200. Looks like you have to by the mounting kit too for another $130. I think its looks pretty good.

http://www.4by4connection.com/charbbu.html

Doug Krebs

08-10-2009, 09:21 AM

I like that last one jerry posted.

Edit: Of course it is color matched, so that makes it blend in more...

bcolman

08-10-2009, 11:20 AM

here is a picture of the frontier gear bumper on my truck, i looked underneath it and there isnt a place to mount a winch, but that might be an option that the previous owner of my truck didnt opt for

DRAGOONRANCH

08-10-2009, 11:27 AM

I am sure your neighbors are much happier with that truck in the driveway. Even if the jeeps/buggy/blazer are outside also, it's still a major plus. :D

08-10-2009, 03:03 PM

no pics from the warn site, but google turned up a few.

08-10-2009, 03:05 PM

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KrazyKarl02

08-10-2009, 03:07 PM

The first one on the red fire truck that JB posted looks good, but that winch sets freakin low. I also have to think of someway to get to the spool lever.

Eckert

08-10-2009, 03:41 PM

i want this one for my dodge, dont know how it would look on a GM though, they come with winch mounts built in just like anything else. they were around $7-750 last time i priced it. browns welding in new bruanfels.

http://www.bumperdude.com/images/IMG_0154.JPG

Graystroke

08-10-2009, 06:21 PM

does buckstop make one w/o the brush bar? I like those. shipping will kill you though...I think they are in the NW. can't go wrong w/ an arb. I 've had one on the rover for over ten years and the finish still looks new.

KrazyKarl02

08-11-2009, 07:22 AM

I did some measuring under the frame last night. It is pretty much impossible to put the winch behind the bumper. The frame to bumper mounts are 20" apart and the winch is 24" wide. Additionally there is an automatic tranny cooler that would have to be moved.

If I do not want to shell out the cash for a big boy bumper, I think my best bet would be to take the stock bumper off, weld/bolt in some sort of cross member with a square tube reciever hitch. Like Flem said I could put the reciever tube directly behind the license plate where it is not noticable.

Another option is where the tow hooks mount, Ramsey makes a mount that goes in there, it is similar to the one John Brown posted above.

Thoughts?

DRAGOONRANCH

08-11-2009, 08:51 AM

I think it's a matter of what you need more in this application. Form or functionality. If you just need it to work, then a mount like JB's will be good. The only drawback on this one is having the winch exposed to the elements I guess. The receiver hitch behind the license plate is also good, but where will you store the winch and where will you mount the electrical connector to plug it in? Remember too, that is going to be a heavy sucker on once you build a mount strong enough for it (~150lbs). The reciever hitch idea would also let you mount it to your trailer or the klogger if needed. Both of those seem to be the best money wise, but give up the looks a bit.

If you want to have something that looks good on the front of the truck, then it all boils down to what you want to spend.

Sharpe

08-11-2009, 09:20 AM

I dont know if you have the 12000 already but have you considered a smaller, ~9k winch? They are significantly more compact and I cant imagine needing the full pulling power of a 12k on a daily driver, even a bigass diesel. I have never needed to double line my M12000 and that includes getting stuck in all around ****ty situations like the hill bottom in Clayton.

08-11-2009, 09:48 AM

Meh, I would want a 12k on a truck like that. My 9k has been pissed once or twice pulling my 6k truck.

I think trying to hide that monster behind that bumper is not going to work out. I have seen the hidden kits on newer GMs and it looks bad. If you are going to start fabbing stuff up to make the line come out in the middle of the bumper instead of below it, then maybe, but that sounds like too much work. I would probably get a replacement bumper to mount it in. Your ramming capabilties will then be increased as well.

08-11-2009, 09:55 AM

http://www.ranchhand.com/prodpix/BTC031BLR.jpg
http://www.ranchhand.com/prodpix/BTC0318BLR.jpg

I think I prefer the Frontier bumper better. Any more pics of your truck Coleman?

Sharpe

08-11-2009, 10:00 AM

JB your 9k worked just fine yanking the Bronco body off the frame!

jerryg79

08-11-2009, 10:09 AM

Your ramming capabilties will then be increased as well.

This means more to karl then you actually know. Ask the mailbox on the way to katemcy, or the trashcan by my old apartments.:gigem:

08-11-2009, 10:32 AM

Hell yeah it did

eight

08-11-2009, 11:21 AM

I think the frontier has the best finish work of any of the cheap bumpers. Costs the same as ranch hand. My dad's got the bullnose one on his dually. Frontier is just about all my brother sells any more. Brown's is good but not as cheap as they used to be.

Graystroke

08-11-2009, 10:34 PM

why do they have to put diamond plate on the side of the bumper? Is someone going to be standing on there? I think it looks like poo.

12k is the right size for your truck, 9k would be too small. I think the rule is 1.5X the weight of the vehicle. 7k+3.5K=10.5K

stx4wheeler

10-04-2009, 12:37 AM

Score--karl's duramax -1, karls deer lease -1, I see a fancy bumper in your future. Goood luck tomorrow......

jerryg79

10-04-2009, 05:54 AM

Score--karl's duramax -1, karls deer lease -1, I see a fancy bumper in your future. Goood luck tomorrow......

heading out to rescue a duramax with a klogger in a few.:gigem:

DRAGOONRANCH

10-04-2009, 07:35 AM

Details@!

jerryg79

10-04-2009, 02:45 PM

Done.

bcolman

10-04-2009, 03:14 PM

you got any pictures?

KrazyKarl02

10-04-2009, 05:28 PM

So I was bow hunting last night, except by hunting I mean sitting in a tree in the rain, pissing in a beer bottle. After dusk I need to put some corn in my feeder. I backed my truck down, filled the feeder and was driving off when all of the sudden the gates of hell opened up and sucked my front axle in. This was about 7:45 at night in the middle of 10,000 acres of woods :(

I called my buddy who had a Z-71, he pulled from the front, he pulled from the front, and nothing moved (insert sexual joke here). He would launch with like 10 to 15' of slack in the sling and the truck would not move!!

I had him drive me to Livingston where Carrie met me. In the morning Jerry came over to my house, we hooked the klogger up and head towards the duramax (well kind of a duraminus at this point). Jones met us on the way. Here is what she looked like in the morning....

KrazyKarl02

10-04-2009, 05:30 PM

I positioned the klogger just past a little ledge. Then I hooked the Ramsey 8000, double lined to it. Jones anchored to a pine tree and hooked his Warn 9000, double lined to it. We both tried to pull with it in neutral, no go, the Klogger was sliding forward.... :(

KrazyKarl02

10-04-2009, 05:33 PM

I got in the Duramax, Jerry operated the Klogger, and Jones tugged his best. I put the Duramax in reverse and held about 10 mph, slowly but surely she came out. Here are the ruts that resulted. I must have hit a really soft spot because there was no real large ruts leading up to it, my front just sank...

KrazyKarl02

10-04-2009, 05:33 PM

So needless to say, mounting that M12000 just moved up on my list....

jerryg79

10-04-2009, 05:44 PM

fairly uneventful.

Worst part was karl telling us there was beer in the truck, only to find one beer left in it and it was 9 oclock on sunday morning so couldnt buy beer:(

KrazyKarl02

10-04-2009, 08:47 PM

Doug Krebs

10-04-2009, 08:59 PM

Thoughts on this, front reciever hitch from e-trailer, rated for 9000#'s, install is easy and is not too low.

http://www.etrailer.com/pc-H~65028.htm?vehicleid=2006419

You Tube video of an install

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy7GASRH94U

Looks easy and fast. I think we need to get in the business of making these things. $50 of steel and sell it for $175

AggieTJ2007

10-04-2009, 09:11 PM

that was some deep ****

Graystroke

10-04-2009, 11:43 PM

DRAGOONRANCH

10-05-2009, 07:39 AM

if you were stuck (like today) and double lined it how would that work? looks like it attaches to the tow hook area. 9k winch doubled = 18k. I guess don't stand to close to the front. Still say you need a 10k plus for that truck.

The mounts that Doug posted are only rated for 9k, but as you ran the line back to another spot on the frame and not the hitch mount or winch mount you should only see the pressure the winch pulls. I agree that it really needs a big 12k+ winch, but I believe he already knows that.

Still say you need a 10k plus for that truck.

I agree that it really needs a big 12k+ winch, but I believe he already knows that.

So needless to say, mounting that M12000 just moved up on my list....

:flipoff2:

jerryg79

10-05-2009, 08:11 AM

Graystroke

10-05-2009, 09:18 AM

look at the title.

well the mount he just posted is only rated for 9k. why have a 12k winch mounted to a 9k mount?

jerryg79

10-05-2009, 09:20 AM

well the mount he just posted is only rated for 9k. why have a 12k winch mounted to a 9k mount?

whats the trailer hitch on the back rated for? We sure pulled him out with that yesterday.

Graystroke

10-05-2009, 09:20 AM

The mounts that Doug posted are only rated for 9k, but as you ran the line back to another spot on the frame and not the hitch mount or winch mount you should only see the pressure the winch pulls. I

looked like mount was tied into tow hook mounts. which is essentially the same as the mount

another thing about a quick mount vs bumper: quick mount has just a pin holding it. I guess that's enough for 9k. wonder about the stress on the frame ends w/ just two bolts for a double pull.

I don't know about other bumpers but my ARB has 6 bolts in double shear and that is on a boxed frame. It is rated for 10k winch.

KrazyKarl02

10-05-2009, 10:11 AM

So I think I will take a stab at making one of these. I was just going to buy the $173 one, but I have some extra receiver size tube laying around. Plus I ahve the welder and need to use the new plasma cutter. So I am thinking of basically copying the drawtite design, but making it a little beefier, I mean they are only using 4 - 1/2" bolts. I will also make a little reciever/license plate mount.

Something I am unsure of is, do you put the pin inside the bumper (Location A) or outside the bumper (location B). Inside the bumper could be a real pain in the ass to get to. Location B might cause me to have a 3 or 4" nub sticking out the front of my truck. Thoughts?

I was talking to Jones and he mentioned possibly making an "H" shaped one, but I do not know if there is enough room.

KrazyKarl02

10-05-2009, 10:14 AM

whats the trailer hitch on the back rated for? We sure pulled him out with that yesterday.

A 2" ball is usually only rated at 5000 lbs, my rear hitch is like 6000 lbs, but I sure pull some **** with it. My opinion is that those things have to be made to take all kinds of dynamic loads when you are pulling them on the highway at 90...err I mean 45, yeah, thats a safe speed. I think for this they generally hold up pretty well.

jerryg79

10-05-2009, 10:25 AM

I would do the pin outside the bumper. If you sank the front end it would be impossible to get under the truck to pull the pin/put it back in.

I think that design is fine for what you are wanting it for, you're not winching your truck up a mountain, just maybe once a year or two when you have a couple too many miller lite gatorades in the stand :)

Shaggy

10-05-2009, 11:18 AM

inside would be cleaner... but outside would make more useful sence... I would go outside

BMFScout

10-05-2009, 11:26 AM

inside would be cleaner... but outside would make more useful sence... I would go outside

sense, and sentences only need one period, not three.

uglyota

10-05-2009, 12:37 PM

I don't know what winch you're planning on using, but I would strongly consider a 10k or stronger winch for this truck. Just a thought :D

KrazyKarl02

10-05-2009, 01:57 PM

I don't know what winch you're planning on using, but I would strongly consider a 10k or stronger winch for this truck. Just a thought :D

Good point, does anyone have an opinion on this? I wish it was as simple as looking at the top of the page :flipoff2:

Graystroke

10-05-2009, 10:51 PM

I would use a 9k mount like posted above and put an m12000 on it. make sure you can hook it up for a double pull.

that would be awsome and makes the most sence

KrazyKarl02

10-06-2009, 07:34 AM

Thanks guyz, thiz thread know makes no cents.

agjohn02

10-29-2009, 03:05 PM

I'm going to mount my 8000lb Warn to my existing Ranchand grille guard (not replacement bumper) for a trip I have coming up. Something like what JB posted is what I'm thinking. Is there something I can buy like this or am I going to have to build it?

http://www.tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16240&stc=1&d=1249934701

colman

10-29-2009, 03:10 PM

looks home made out of a grill guard, also it needs more triangulation, :)

KrazyKarl02

10-29-2009, 03:10 PM

Warn has a "transformer" series that I think you can make look like that.

KrazyKarl02

12-29-2009, 11:11 PM

So, I had Luis order me a "universal" front reciever hitch for the Duramax. It was a little over $100 and the quality looked good, so I was happy. I tried to install it tonight and discovered that it "universally" sucked.

The mount is made to fit under the front valence (i.e. the thing that Wade has ripped off multiple times). This design changes the front clearance from like 11" to 7". Seriously, I think my Chevelle has more than 7" of bumper clearance. I thought this thing would mount where the reciever came out the valence.

Seeing as to how there was no return policy, I took and started cutting. I was able to reuse the square tube and one of the pre-drilled mounting holes (flipped it upside down). I made 2 brackets for the hitch. I have all the holes drilled (I used all existing holes in the frame). I just have to weld it out tomorrow and bolt it down. The draw-tite hitch mounted with 4 bolts, this will use 6, Originally the hitch was rated at 9000 lbs, since I have increased the bolts by 50% the hitch is therefore now rated to 13,500 lbs, right?

KrazyKarl02

01-19-2010, 11:10 PM

Here are some pics for those who care. Modified winch reciever

KrazyKarl02

01-19-2010, 11:12 PM

WIth the carrier installed and the "access hole" I cut in the valence so you can access the reciever pin. I will make a little license plate holder, that will pretty much cover it most of the time.

DRAGOONRANCH

01-19-2010, 11:33 PM

Did you fab the mount up or end up buying one. If you fabbed it, I should have told you to make a copy for me! :D

KrazyKarl02

01-20-2010, 08:29 AM

Did you fab the mount up or end up buying one. If you fabbed it, I should have told you to make a copy for me! :D

Please read....

So, I had Luis order me a "universal" front reciever hitch for the Duramax. It was a little over $100 and the quality looked good, so I was happy. I tried to install it tonight and discovered that it "universally" sucked.

The mount is made to fit under the front valence (i.e. the thing that Wade has ripped off multiple times). This design changes the front clearance from like 11" to 7". Seriously, I think my Chevelle has more than 7" of bumper clearance. I thought this thing would mount where the reciever came out the valence.

Seeing as to how there was no return policy, I took and started cutting. I was able to reuse the square tube and one of the pre-drilled mounting holes (flipped it upside down). I made 2 brackets for the hitch. I have all the holes drilled (I used all existing holes in the frame). I just have to weld it out tomorrow and bolt it down. The draw-tite hitch mounted with 4 bolts, this will use 6, Originally the hitch was rated at 9000 lbs, since I have increased the bolts by 50% the hitch is therefore now rated to 13,500 lbs, right?

agjohn02

01-20-2010, 08:33 AM

Did you fab the mount up or end up buying one. If you fabbed it, I should have told you to make a copy for me! :D

The hatchet cut edges on the receiver don't give it away? That valence looks Beaumonterrific now.

jerryg79

01-20-2010, 08:39 AM

The hatchet cut edges on the receiver don't give it away? That valence looks Beaumonterrific now.

and you sound prickalicious.

DRAGOONRANCH

01-20-2010, 09:23 AM

Please read....

Crap, I don't know how I missed that first picture of it that you posted.

I thought I remembered you saying this, but it has been a while so I wasn't sure that you might not have found one and I forgot you posting about it or just not saying anything about it yet.

The hatchet cut edges on the receiver don't give it away? That valence looks Beaumonterrific now.

It's a definite Krosby Klassik now!!!

agjohn02

01-20-2010, 10:22 AM

and you sound prickalicious.

it's a symbiotic relationship karl and i have.

KrazyKarl02

01-20-2010, 10:53 AM

it's a symbiotic relationship karl and i have.

Yeah, John and I are polar opposites, like with off roading, I have a piece of ****, but actually go off roading. John has "Assbanger 1" that he likes to keep in a garage and never go off roading....

KrazyKarl02

01-20-2010, 10:57 AM

The hatchet cut edges on the receiver don't give it away? That valence looks Beaumonterrific now.

1) The license plate covers the valence when not in use, so you can not see it
2) I don't live in Beaumont any more, I live in Crosby get it right. I changed jobs and thereby changed where I lived. Kind of like after I graduated, I left College Station, instead of being the odd ginger kid who sat in the corner....

uglyota

01-20-2010, 11:27 AM

Yeah, John and I are polar opposites, like with off roading, I have a piece of ****, but actually go off roading. John has "Assbanger 1" that he likes to keep in a garage and never go off roading....

Ooh I got one:
John likes weiner, you like vajayjay...

agjohn02

01-20-2010, 11:42 AM

Karl, that bad smell that you can never get to wash off yourself, is Beaumont. If you have to remove the license plate to install the mount, how much harder is it to reach under the valence to insert the pin? On another note, this is exactly what I was going to do on my truck before Baja but ran out of time.

DRAGOONRANCH

01-20-2010, 11:57 AM

Why not just make a slip in mount for the license plate? Then it's just pulling a pin. (this is probably what you planned on doing, just airing the thoughts in my brain out, gets kinda musty in there at times.)

KrazyKarl02

01-20-2010, 12:20 PM

Apparently I was not clear in my explanation, the license plate mount is attached to a reciever hitch thing, so it just pulls out. If you are lieing on the ground looking under my truck with the license plate in place, you can see the valence cut, but at that point, I would most likely be running you over and your thoughts are not important....

John, When you wake up in the middle of the night sometimes you are hungry, you go to your kitchen to eat, but no matter how much or what you eat you are never satisfied. That hunger is not for food, it is for human souls, you GINGER FREAK! :flipoff2:

agjohn02

01-20-2010, 12:30 PM

I just have to accept the fact that this is what happens when you give nice things to people like Karl. Just look at your average trailer park, at one time all those trailers and cars were new and clean looking. Just wait until 12K lbs is applied to a hitch once rated (before hack job) for 5k lbs. This will be Klogger II in no time!

KrazyKarl02

01-20-2010, 12:58 PM

jerryg79

01-20-2010, 01:15 PM

I've been to Baja man! I've seen some things! Things no man should ever have to see!

TdmayfieldIV

01-20-2010, 01:26 PM

final install with zip ties?

uglyota

01-20-2010, 01:29 PM

I've been to Baja man! I've seen some things! Things no man should ever have to see!

that will happen when you fall asleep and a buncha pirate guys teabag you

agjohn02

01-20-2010, 02:03 PM

final install with zip ties?

he could have at least used black ones. you can take the trash out of... something something

DRAGOONRANCH

01-20-2010, 10:57 PM

Does anyone make a spring loaded receiver pin that you could mount and then have a pull handle hidden in the grill?

KrazyKarl02

01-20-2010, 11:07 PM

Not that I know off.

DRAGOONRANCH

01-20-2010, 11:24 PM

Hmm, may have to get one made up. I bet those would sell like hotcakes if you could figure out a way to make it lockable!

Eckert

01-20-2010, 11:41 PM

Hmm, may have to get one made up. I bet those would sell like hotcakes if you could figure out a way to make it lockable!

dont some gooseneck hitches have this option?

DRAGOONRANCH

01-21-2010, 04:14 AM

Are you talking about one like this?

http://www.dickinsontruckequipmentinc.com/images/used-equipment/trailers-dollies/gntrailerframe-lg.jpg

Eckert

01-21-2010, 09:32 AM

Are you talking about one like this?

what? no. I have seen some trucks with gooseneck hitches to where there is a handle in the fenderwell to release the pin.

jerryg79

01-21-2010, 09:33 AM

what? no. I have seen some trucks with gooseneck hitches to where there is a handle in the fenderwell to release the pin.

yes that is how the b&w works.

FJAggie07

01-21-2010, 09:34 AM

what? no. I have seen some trucks with gooseneck hitches to where there is a handle in the fenderwell to release the pin.

like this,but i dunno how it pertains to this convo...

http://www.turnoverball.com/

bcolman

01-21-2010, 10:30 AM

yeah, i think he was saying this so that you didnt have to lay down and reach under the bumper to hook up the winch, you just pull a pin on the top of the bumper or something, that way you dont have to lay in the mud you got stuck in to hook up the winch, right ed?

DRAGOONRANCH

01-21-2010, 10:40 AM

Yep, if you are putting something like this on a $$$ towrig, I would like to do it right if possible. Especially if you could make a bolt together kit that you could sell (the rights to).

AggieTJ2007

01-21-2010, 10:57 PM

Yeah it wouldn't be too hard to fab up just do it likt the bw hitch pin

redcagepatrol

01-22-2010, 08:51 AM

FWIW, here is the quote I got on pbb for the fabfours winch bumper for our model trucks.

I don't know if the 'TAMOR discount' would be any better.

I got both of my bumpers - shipped for - less than that...

agjohn02

01-22-2010, 09:18 AM

I got both of my bumpers - shipped for - less than that...

so are you bragging or talking trash about FF mark-up?

ah, actually read ed's post, looks like the tamor discount is better.:gigem:

DRAGOONRANCH

01-22-2010, 09:54 AM

I got both of my bumpers - shipped for - less than that...

I don't know them as well as you do, but if I ever get enough scratch together I am going to deffinitely call them up. I will only need a front though as the rear is getting a CM flatbed (or CreightonFab) at the same time.

so are you bragging or talking trash about FF mark-up?

ah, actually read ed's post, looks like the tamor discount is better.:gigem:

100% sure he is just bragging. :laughing:

Seth

01-22-2010, 09:57 AM

I think Scott was only talking about the shipping, not the bumpers at all?

agjohn02

01-22-2010, 10:02 AM

No, he was saying he bought a front and rear bumper and had them shipped for less than a Pirate vendor quoted Ed for just a front bumper.

DRAGOONRANCH

01-22-2010, 10:03 AM

I think Scott was only talking about the shipping, not the bumpers at all?

So he paid less than $2317.56 in shipping? I guess it would be hard to argue that fact. :confused:

:flipoff2:

FJAggie07

01-22-2010, 10:32 AM

so he bought front rear FF bumpers for less than Ed got quoted for the front? How?

I am so confused.

agjohn02

01-22-2010, 10:35 AM

you know the connection right?

DRAGOONRANCH

01-22-2010, 10:42 AM

so he bought front rear FF bumpers for less than Ed got quoted for the front? How?

I am so confused.

you know the connection right?

If you don't, Scott used to give 'special favors' to one of the owners of fabfours when they were all in TAMOR and going to school together. ;)