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Weeble
02-15-2012, 12:30 PM
^^^^hahahahahahahaha.
Im sure your drivetrain can handle 42's....with that said, your 37's might give you better traction than worn swampers anyway. sometimes with tires, its quality over quantity. bald 42's can't take you anywhere more than treaded Toyo's.
TdmayfieldIV
02-15-2012, 12:40 PM
The toyos are bald, tsls have a lot of tread except one
Deluxe
02-15-2012, 12:50 PM
Yeah the tsls look better than your toyos tread
Hot Pocket
02-15-2012, 02:47 PM
God I wish your parents would have used come type of contraceptive...
they did!
(true story)
how's that for resilience?
Weeble
02-15-2012, 04:40 PM
huh. i must have just seen the front right tread. in that case, the bronco looks badass on 42's.
stx4wheeler
02-15-2012, 06:52 PM
Tommy doesn't have a front locker steering will be fine.
RCcola55
02-15-2012, 09:03 PM
Have y'all missed the most important comment in this thread?! The guy is wanting to do a body swap, there will be no breakage or steering issue, because it will never go back together.
sasquatch
02-15-2012, 09:12 PM
it will be on its way to china in no time.
http://www.tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12261&stc=1&d=1199772662
I recall that destruction
85cj7
02-15-2012, 09:33 PM
Winching the body off a truck at 3am is a lot easier when the cops hold the light! :D
sasquatch
02-15-2012, 09:36 PM
it was only 10
RCcola55
02-15-2012, 09:58 PM
Punk ass neighbors!
Sharpe
02-15-2012, 10:02 PM
The few beer cans you can see by the rear tires really dont do it justice.
85cj7
02-15-2012, 10:03 PM
Who has the video with the beer cans rolling around in the wind?
RCcola55
02-16-2012, 12:01 AM
The claw at Bryan iron couldn't even touch that s&w cage.
BroncoJo
02-16-2012, 01:09 AM
I don't see why everyone is agaist the body swap
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0669.jpg
mudtoy67
02-16-2012, 09:35 AM
I don't see why everyone is agaist the body swap
I don't think anyone is against the idea of a body swap, it's just Ford products have a history of shortened lives during major surgery when Tamor is involved. :gigem:
KrazyKarl02
02-16-2012, 02:36 PM
I made a thread about it...
mudtoy67
02-16-2012, 02:39 PM
Exactly.
tommy53002
02-16-2012, 02:41 PM
What is the reason for the body swap? Or has it been mentioned already?
BroncoJo
02-16-2012, 03:14 PM
What is the reason for the body swap? Or has it been mentioned already?
Tommy wants to use the term "The Bronco" in regards to his own bronco but since my old bronco is "The Bronco" he is having to swap bodies in order to create the new "The Bronco"
tommy53002
02-16-2012, 04:18 PM
Tommy wants to use the term "The Bronco" in regards to his own bronco but since my old bronco is "The Bronco" he is having to swap bodies in order to create the new "The Bronco"
Did you forget to put ":flipoff2:" at the end?
BroncoJo
02-16-2012, 04:32 PM
Did you forget to put ":flipoff2:" at the end?
true story
more pictars
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0672.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0673.jpg
KrazyKarl02
02-16-2012, 04:37 PM
What is the ultimate goal here? Not hating, but putting a semi-nice Bronco body on a trail rig will just result in bashing the shiat out of the new body.
Sharpe
02-16-2012, 04:43 PM
TumTum you should put a Ranchero body and CJ grill on it!
BroncoJo
02-16-2012, 04:44 PM
What is the ultimate goal here? Not hating, but putting a semi-nice Bronco body on a trail rig will just result in bashing the shiat out of the new body.
Basically I told tommy if he will completely strip my bronco I will narrow it for him. I wouldn't expect the swap until summer time.
tommy53002
02-16-2012, 04:56 PM
What is the wheelbase?
FJAggie07
02-16-2012, 04:58 PM
What is the ultimate goal here? Not hating, but putting a semi-nice Bronco body on a trail rig will just result in bashing the shiat out of the new body.
Agree with this, looks good. Wheel the piss out of it.
BroncoJo
02-16-2012, 05:07 PM
The biggest advantage is that there probably won't be a better opportunity to do something like this and if it get's abandoned Tommy is out nothing. He won't be touching the body on his until after the narrowing.
Goal: 12ish inch narrowed bronco body, all new wiring and make it somewhat nice looking (not that it won't still get the piss beat out of it)
TdmayfieldIV
02-16-2012, 07:39 PM
Stock. 104"
KrazyKarl02
02-16-2012, 10:09 PM
TumTum you should put a Ranchero body and CJ grill on it!
Ahh damn it, someone already did that!
http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/2841049730.html
Hot Pocket
02-17-2012, 02:03 AM
Crap, you already started tearin down Travis' bronco? I gotta get over there and forage for my parts before theyre gone!
KrazyKarl02
02-21-2012, 08:30 PM
http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=42204
So what is going on top of the motor now?
Sparling
02-21-2012, 08:58 PM
a rag to plug the holes.
RCcola55
02-21-2012, 09:21 PM
Awesome!!!!! Bryan iron here you come
Hot Pocket
02-21-2012, 09:27 PM
viva la propane!! :flipoff3:
TdmayfieldIV
02-21-2012, 09:42 PM
Motorcraft 2bbl
TdmayfieldIV
02-23-2012, 02:56 AM
I decided not to sell the tbi. I'm putting the motorcraft 2bbl on temporarily because I can't afford to do what I want to the fuel injection yet.
After looking over every inch of that harness I concluded that flem's original diagnosis is right. After grounding out the check engine light at tcc last year it has fried the chip.
So, since I can't get a new chip I have two options.
1. Megasquirt computer
-new wiring harness
-relay board
2. Howell harness and chip
They'll both cost about the same but I'd rather do megasquirt so I can fine tune fuel tables with a wide band 02 sensor.
Both are non computer controlled ignition. I ordered this distributor yesterday.
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/SUM-850025.jpg
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-850025/?rtype=10
mudtoy67
02-23-2012, 08:48 AM
Why not just get another tbi computer and don't **** it up?
robertf03
02-23-2012, 09:01 AM
I'll burn you another chip with the same stuff on it, I just don't have time to dick with diagnosing mechanical problems.
The factory duraspark is just as good as HEI, if not better. I'd return that if possible.
Sharpe
02-23-2012, 09:02 AM
Why not just get another tbi computer and don't **** it up?
Cause they're uhhhh, hard to find and stuff, uhhh.
I think the issue is he fried his kustom Flemco chip and Flem don't shine shoes no mo'
Fredo
02-23-2012, 12:38 PM
I honestly think Tummy makes posts like that to get you guys back interested in his ****.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
RCcola55
02-24-2012, 05:25 AM
Wash, rinse, repeat.
awesome!!!
TdmayfieldIV
02-24-2012, 04:38 PM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0137.jpg
If the chip fixes it i'll return this and continue with CCI, It's almost too pretty to return tho
AggieTJ2007
02-24-2012, 06:03 PM
tell me what to look for and I will snag you a chip or 3 at the junkyard
TdmayfieldIV
02-24-2012, 07:05 PM
It's a flemco chip
stx4wheeler
02-24-2012, 08:34 PM
http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=42226
Go sell some plasma and go get this.
TdmayfieldIV
02-24-2012, 09:04 PM
Offer made, waiting for reply
BroncoJo
02-24-2012, 09:12 PM
I counter offered...
Sparling
02-24-2012, 10:19 PM
buy a doubler kit and use my 1356
TdmayfieldIV
02-28-2012, 05:04 PM
http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=42226
Go sell some plasma and go get this.
Not a good deal
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042080&highlight=
davido
02-29-2012, 12:52 AM
Greatness!
http://www.highlift.com/photos/mudbug/davidohendalski.jpg
Wow. I was like 21 there. 15 F'ing years ago! :D
TdmayfieldIV
03-08-2012, 01:51 AM
Running better than she has in 6 months. Back on the 2bbl.
Hot Pocket
03-08-2012, 01:53 AM
wanna race? :D
Sparling
03-08-2012, 02:24 AM
Tommy has crap gearing. I bet if he put the 37's on it would smoke yours.
TdmayfieldIV
03-13-2012, 01:22 AM
Front driveshaft finally gave up
TdmayfieldIV
03-14-2012, 03:09 PM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0037-2.jpg
TdmayfieldIV
03-15-2012, 01:11 AM
Tore down the new driveshaft today. Centering pin on the weld yoke looks good, centering yoke is still tight. All I need is some new joints and it'll be good to go.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0049-2.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0048-2.jpg
Chromoly?, no thanks, 300m? ***** ****. 24K is the where it's at:grinpimp:
BroncoJo
03-15-2012, 01:46 AM
That will be worth a ton at scrap! :gigem:
TdmayfieldIV
03-18-2012, 10:47 PM
I went to burleson on my way home from the airport and picked up these, only 2 of them, but they were $50 for both with tires.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0066-1.jpg
Then he started showing me other stuff he had for sale and I snagged all of this for $50
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0067-1.jpg
So now I have
-Half of the gears (front only)
-Half of the Steering ( need a ram)
-Half of the wheels ( need two more and some centers)
-Half of the body done
less than half the motivation.......
BroncoJo
03-18-2012, 10:48 PM
So now I have
-Half of the gears (front only)
-Half of the Steering ( need a ram)
-Half of the wheels ( need two more and some centers)
-Half of the body done
less than half the motivation.......
That's funny, keep it up :gigem:
edit- You also have Half a roll cage (roll bar)
second edit- This list can go on:
Half 42's (two bald)
Half headlights (one broker)
Half the way locked (just rear)
Half way on front suspension (longer shocks + softer springs)
Half bumpers (just rear)
redcagepatrol
03-19-2012, 10:20 AM
I have a PSC Ram that I need to sell. I think it is 2.25 x 8"
TdmayfieldIV
03-20-2012, 12:34 AM
new driveshaft is in.
Tip:
Put the caps on the u joint before hammering in the caps on the top of the double cardan joint.
She's grounded from mud until october.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0074-1.jpg
She's grounded from mud until october.
TdmayfieldIV
03-24-2012, 01:24 AM
Pretty good for a couple of hours driving and $75
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0086-2.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0087.jpg
(This is the part where you say thank you)
TdmayfieldIV
03-24-2012, 07:35 PM
Ok manners police. I said it in person. But thanks Scott.
Ok manners police. I said it in person. But thanks Scott.
I think of it more like giving feedback on ebay in this case.
TdmayfieldIV
04-03-2012, 02:17 PM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0115-1.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0117-1.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0118-1.jpg
BroncoJo
04-03-2012, 06:56 PM
How long is that hose?
TdmayfieldIV
04-03-2012, 07:06 PM
Long enough to do rear steer
BroncoJo
04-03-2012, 07:19 PM
That;s pre-planning!
sasquatch
04-04-2012, 04:18 PM
i used those fittings and they killed a pump. best guess is the id is smaller than stock ps lines. good luck with that
TdmayfieldIV
04-04-2012, 06:39 PM
I hope not cause this pump is $$. Those are the ram lines, what is the alternative to those?
jasonjuch
04-04-2012, 10:13 PM
when I had mine made I had to go to a special shop in Austin that cut my old fittings off and then somehow attached the cut off end to a hydrolic hose fitting so that the hose between the two ends can be replaced with regular hydrolic hose fittings.. but the ends had to be the original ends or else it didnt hook up right to the pump and gearbox. If that makes sense. I was going from power steering pump on chevy engine to toyota gearbox
85cj7
04-04-2012, 10:20 PM
Those fitting look like a smaller OD than the psc AN fittings on mine. . . . .
http://www.tamor.org/forums/showthread.php?8688-Roxanne-1985-Cj-7&p=280632&viewfull=1#post280632
Sharpe
04-04-2012, 10:30 PM
when I had mine made I had to go to a special shop in Austin that cut my old fittings off and then somehow attached the cut off end to a hydrolic hose fitting so that the hose between the two ends can be replaced with regular hydrolic hose fittings.. but the ends had to be the original ends or else it didnt hook up right to the pump and gearbox. If that makes sense. I was going from power steering pump on chevy engine to toyota gearbox
Sounds like they hillbilly brazed some **** together. Hydraulic fittings are suprisingly simple, just ask Flem :flipoff2:
TdmayfieldIV
04-04-2012, 10:31 PM
A set of those fittings came with my setup. The I.D is the same. It's all just 5/16 JIC, the only difference is mine are crimped rather than reusable. 5/16 JIC is 5/16 JIC. In fact JIC and AN are the same thing. JIC and AN are 37* flare.
There is also SAE, which comes in 37* and 45*, however the 45* are used for low pressure systems.....you kind of have to be careful of what you buy.
robertf03
04-04-2012, 10:50 PM
Sounds like they hillbilly brazed some **** together. Hydraulic fittings are suprisingly simple, just ask Flem :flipoff2:
yup, it's the paperwork thats a mother****er
tummy, they aren't the same.
I just had napa crimp some of there fittings on. No problems at all. Had several problems with the PSC reusable stuff
Sharpe
04-04-2012, 11:03 PM
tummy, they aren't the same.
**** you, you dont know what you're talking about!
TdmayfieldIV
04-04-2012, 11:06 PM
I blame this thread for my ignorance.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=597301
Good thing I got all of the pieces then, They're all 5/16 JIC
Now I have to figure out pump to box.
robertf03
04-04-2012, 11:17 PM
there is a radius at the root of AN fittings to prevent stress points. On small dash sizes the tolerances of the an fitting can overlap the tolerances of jic fittings and the parts could conform to both. at nominal sizes they don't.
sasquatch
04-05-2012, 09:23 AM
ram lines are prob fine. i had a ps hose chopped and a bigger id crimped on the box side. or something like that. its been a few years. bigger id is better for the pump. course i'm running a turned up stock pump.
flem does work for a company that just makes fluid lines.
also, i'd loose the rag joint.
TdmayfieldIV
04-05-2012, 12:19 PM
Thanks.
I wasn't doubting Flem, i had some inaccurate info from pirate.
The pressure line for the 79 bronco box is inverted flare so they had to braze the hardline onto a fitting.
The I.D of the 5/16 JIC is bigger than the stock ps line size.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0127-1.jpg
TdmayfieldIV
04-06-2012, 01:33 AM
cut out some tabs. I need to add some internal stops to the ram because the tie rod only travels 6 7/8". I'll just rock it for now and knowing it's there.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0130-1.jpg
Tie rod tabs
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0131-1.jpg
axle tabs
TdmayfieldIV
04-06-2012, 11:04 PM
Made me a steering stop.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0132-1.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0134-1.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0135.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0140-1.jpg
DRAGOONRANCH
04-07-2012, 07:15 AM
I've always been under the impression that with HA, the steering box will not keep putting pressure on the cylinder/ram when it maxes out side to side negating the need for steering stops. The orbitals in full hydro are another story.
RCcola55
04-07-2012, 09:02 AM
I thought the stops go inside the ram
BroncoJo
04-07-2012, 09:06 AM
I thought the stops go inside the ram
Ideally
sasquatch
04-07-2012, 10:08 AM
so why couldn't one go inside this ram?
BroncoJo
04-07-2012, 10:36 AM
so why couldn't one go inside this ram?
It could, im sure it was done that way due to time constraints
TdmayfieldIV
04-09-2012, 01:25 AM
Travis and I made up this bracket. It's really tight under there.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0149-1.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0152-2.jpg
TdmayfieldIV
04-09-2012, 03:50 AM
here's how psc says to mount it.
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1//9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/0/2011_superduty_ram_assist_kit_1.jpg
sam_hodnett
04-09-2012, 10:41 AM
so you did the complete opposite?
TdmayfieldIV
04-09-2012, 01:23 PM
That uses diff cover bolts and my ram is bigger than that.
Hellbent
04-09-2012, 02:40 PM
here's how psc says to mount it.
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1//9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/0/2011_superduty_ram_assist_kit_1.jpg
thats a 2011 truck! must be a bad bitch to need hydro assist
sam_hodnett
04-09-2012, 03:12 PM
thats a 2011 truck! must be a bad bitch to need hydro assist
Or it could just be owned by one of your diesel douche friends :flipoff2:
bcolman
04-09-2012, 05:51 PM
first you need a longer bolt for the axle side mount
second, is the 'stop' secured in any way, so it cant slide up and down the shaft, if not i bet you will get a gouge in the shaft and then start leaking fluid
BroncoJo
04-09-2012, 05:56 PM
first you need a longer bolt for the axle side mount
second, is the 'stop' secured in any way, so it cant slide up and down the shaft, if not i bet you will get a gouge in the shaft and then start leaking fluid
Stop will be secured
The mount is not perfect, but should work for TCC, and it will be called the "plate-30" ram kit.
bcolman
04-09-2012, 05:59 PM
any idea of how you are going to secure the stop?
also the mount doesnt look that bad, but you may need one of those ram skid plates like jb has/had
TdmayfieldIV
04-09-2012, 06:20 PM
That bolt is 2 threads on for mock up....stop is held on by the heim.
BroncoJo
04-09-2012, 06:28 PM
Od of the rod end is smaller than of of the RAM.
sasquatch
04-09-2012, 06:29 PM
here's how psc says to mount it.
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1//9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/0/2011_superduty_ram_assist_kit_1.jpg
100% bolt on. gay.
even though you have a janky stop, i'd still be weary of turning the wheel too far. i.e. pay attention to when it binds.
BroncoJo
04-09-2012, 06:30 PM
I bet Coleman is referring to the threads being in shear.
any idea of how you are going to secure the stop?
also the mount doesnt look that bad, but you may need one of those ram skid plates like jb has/had
I had my ram mounted as low as Tommy does and even with the little skid coming off the t-rod, it only lasted 2 runs. THen I went high-steer. Tommy wheels like a bitch though, so it should be fine.:)
bcolman
04-09-2012, 07:30 PM
I bet Coleman is referring to the threads being in shear.
this, also when you get a new bolt drop the bolt in from the top as some insurance incase you loose the nut
Hellbent
04-09-2012, 11:26 PM
100% bolt on. gay.
even though you have a janky stop, i'd still be weary of turning the wheel too far. i.e. pay attention to when it binds.
lets see your **** look as clean as that.
TdmayfieldIV
04-10-2012, 01:16 AM
Went to vilas' and they're making me one.
With the track bar bracket where it is i can't put a bolt in from the top.
TdmayfieldIV
04-10-2012, 01:16 AM
Went to vilas' and they're making me a new steering stop.
With the track bar bracket where it is i can't put a bolt in from the top.
Sparling
04-10-2012, 01:19 AM
lets see your **** look as clean as that.
It's a brand new truck, if it didn't look clean he should be subjected to driving a hybrid. Anybody can bolt **** on, actually building something takes skill and effort. That's why (except for the one with ttb) jeeps are gay.
mudtoy67
04-10-2012, 08:52 AM
Who cares if it's bolt on if it works.
robertf03
04-10-2012, 08:57 AM
yeah, lots of bolt ons indicates that you started with a decent platform
sasquatch
04-10-2012, 09:18 AM
it's bolt on so chodes that think they need hydroassist on the street for their big gay douche trucks can just slap it on in the parking lot of the frat house. $5 of plate can accomplish what that $200 bracket does, unless you're an inept fabricator. if you want to flush the $ for a bolt on ram mount that's going to get smashed on the rocks, be my guest.
it looks like a 60, the same platform as every other truck out there...
mudtoy67
04-10-2012, 09:44 AM
So your problem is not that it's bolt on...it's that chode frat boys might use it to accessorize their big gay trucks.
TdmayfieldIV
04-10-2012, 11:45 AM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0153-1.jpg
sasquatch
04-10-2012, 01:35 PM
So your problem is not that it's bolt on...it's that chode frat boys might use it to accessorize their big gay trucks.
no. don't worry about it. i'm done.
make sure you have the centers all the way in the wheel when you go to weld them and that the wheels aren't out of round too bad. mine were a little and it caused them to sit in there crooked.
TdmayfieldIV
04-11-2012, 01:35 AM
Vilas made me a new steering stop.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0156-1.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0157-1.jpg
Bottom side machined out so it doesn't hit the seal.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0158-1.jpg
Tie rod tabs, I went ahead and made them out of 3/8" since I had it laying around. (Mock up bolt)
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0162-1.jpg
Tucks up nicely behind the tie rod.
FJAggie07
04-11-2012, 08:18 AM
das pretty.
TdmayfieldIV
04-16-2012, 03:56 PM
Two wheels done
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0196-1.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0176-1.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0177-1.jpg
Sharpe
04-16-2012, 04:32 PM
No bead stiffeners?
Sparling
04-16-2012, 04:49 PM
I think money was tight. These were to be used at tcc but we ran out of time to mount the tires.
sasquatch
04-16-2012, 04:52 PM
hope you can get these studs out if you f them up
TdmayfieldIV
04-16-2012, 04:57 PM
There's enough room in there to put a new one in.
AggieTJ2007
04-16-2012, 09:19 PM
did you even lay out the welds so the wheels would be close to balanced, I would have welded it solid all of the way around.
hope you can get these studs out if you f them up
?? What am I missing? Why would it be an issue?
Sparling
04-16-2012, 10:03 PM
?? What am I missing? Why would it be an issue?
I'm guessing because the holes in the centers aren't lined up with the studs.
AggieTJ2007
04-16-2012, 10:03 PM
?? What am I missing? Why would it be an issue?
usually you line up the holes in the pressed center with the studs so that you can press the studs out and press new ones in if you need to.
TdmayfieldIV
04-16-2012, 10:37 PM
It was 4 in the morning and I thought I had measured them out all of the way......clearly I didn't. I'm going to fully weld them before I put them on.
As far as rock rings, they're on the list but I am out of money.
Plenty of room on mine to put in a new stud (if you can find one), put the nut on, and pull it in with an impact. Think I have the same centers and doubt you are going with tons of backspacing.
As far as rock rings, they're on the list but I am out of money.
My rock rings have little 1" openings all around, to let water/mud out. Most of those little 1" sections are bent in. Not enough to leak, but obviously the rings are doing the job.
TdmayfieldIV
04-17-2012, 01:17 AM
All of the pressed centers are the same. Trailworthyfab sells the studs. I'm definately getting rock rings before it's next run, I was just trying to get some kind of beadlock on there before tcc.
eight
04-17-2012, 08:10 AM
I like Davido's style of running hummer wheels, bolt on and go.
Sharpe
04-17-2012, 08:53 AM
I made a half-assed attempt to run un-recentered wheels initially. I aquired a set of dually hubs for the front but got hung up on the rear. Steel 4" wheel spacers cost more than new centers. I could have run a DRW D70 with SRW 14 bolt hubs on it but I already had gears, a locker and disk brakes invested in my 14 bolt so I decided to recenter. Texas Truck Riggins charged me $75 to sandblast the wheels and considering how tough that CRC paint is, it was money well spent.
eight
04-17-2012, 09:33 AM
Isn't a normal dually rear axle the same width as the front? The inside rear tires follow right behind the fronts. I believe this is how Andy's now Brandini's scout is set up.
jasonjuch
04-17-2012, 10:53 AM
Anyone use rebar rings like these? Whats the drawbacks? I was thinking of using them as inner rock rings since I already have outers
http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73601
sasquatch
04-17-2012, 11:00 AM
think john cox or somebody did that on here
TdmayfieldIV
04-22-2012, 04:50 AM
now 65" wide....same as a Tj......sitting on the diamond plate lift blocks which are a little too tall so that's why there's a gap at the top.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0238.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0235.jpg
AggieTJ2007
04-22-2012, 07:37 AM
Now for the fun part welding it back together
KrazyKarl02
04-22-2012, 09:40 AM
What are you going to do for the engine/trans hump?
Shaggy
04-22-2012, 10:47 AM
12" body lift right?
sam_hodnett
04-22-2012, 12:46 PM
What are you going to do for the engine/trans hump?
They actually put some very good thought into this. They cut out the entire old hump and saved it, so they can center it and reuse it. Great idea.
TdmayfieldIV
04-22-2012, 02:33 PM
Trans hump was cut out with the brake pedal/booster hole. We will put it in place and trim the excess and weld it in.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0230-1.jpg
Sharpe
04-22-2012, 02:38 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic of what I see so far.
robertf03
04-22-2012, 09:07 PM
This might not totally suck
KrazyKarl02
04-22-2012, 09:10 PM
Does the fuse panel get squeezed together in this plan? Or are you just going to get a new one and relocate?
TdmayfieldIV
04-22-2012, 09:40 PM
Getting a fuse block from a tj. It has like 18 fuses and 8 relays. Then 4 pin weatherpack connectors to the 12voltguy switch panel.
eight
04-22-2012, 10:25 PM
While you're chopping, see if you can do something about lowering the front of the hood some. Assume you need a new radiator anyway.
TdmayfieldIV
04-22-2012, 10:56 PM
I've been thinking about that. I'm going to actually mount the seat high enough to see over the hood this time. That's alot of work for a small visibility gain IMO
BroncoJo
04-22-2012, 11:03 PM
I thought about cutting the bottom 3 inches off the hood to lower it, but think the hood is too crucial for those sexy good looks. I'd say leave it for now.
sasquatch
04-23-2012, 11:44 AM
I thought about cutting the bottom 3 inches off the hood to lower it, but think the hood is too crucial for those sexy good looks. I'd say leave it for now.
that why i left mine. they don't look right if you cut up the hood too much.
there is potential here... but the trend around here is that it'll end up with ryan's bronco, big nasty, and the 4 or 5 other trucks i've cut up. :flipoff2:
TdmayfieldIV
04-30-2012, 03:08 AM
welp, 3rd gear is gone. I guess I can add that to the list.
I was hoping to twin stick the 205 without taking it off when the body was off but I guess it will all have to come out.
Good thing rebuild kits for a c6 are only $175
TdmayfieldIV
04-30-2012, 02:50 PM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0251-1.jpg
Bilstein 7100's. 2" diameter 14" travel.
BroncoJo
04-30-2012, 03:20 PM
Those ain't yours yet!
TdmayfieldIV
04-30-2012, 03:50 PM
Pending the ranger sale.....
BroncoJo
04-30-2012, 04:07 PM
to whom?
If it sells to you, no shocks for tommy
BroncoJo
04-30-2012, 04:07 PM
to whom?
If it sells to you, no shocks for tommy
Pending the ranger sale.....
to whom?
TdmayfieldIV
04-30-2012, 04:59 PM
not you.......prolly some messican.
I talked him out of your low ball offer we can get at least 3 times that knock on wood.
BroncoJo
04-30-2012, 05:36 PM
Just to clarify Tommy has not completly talked me out of JB's lowball offer yet
RCcola55
04-30-2012, 06:06 PM
How much for the shocks
TdmayfieldIV
04-30-2012, 06:39 PM
$1,000,000
AggieTJ2007
04-30-2012, 06:56 PM
Seriously I would be intersted in the ranger PM me some details and a price
TdmayfieldIV
05-09-2012, 04:02 AM
Adding an antiwrap bar to the list........
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/AWKIT.html
bcolman
05-09-2012, 11:06 AM
i have some axle brackest i will sell you, i bought them planning on making one and never got around to it
TdmayfieldIV
05-10-2012, 01:10 AM
If I only needed the brackets I would. The kit from ruffstuff has bushings, heims, shackles, brackets and the tube.
TdmayfieldIV
05-17-2012, 08:57 PM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0289.jpg
It's hell getting this together
BroncoJo
05-17-2012, 09:06 PM
Saweet
BroncoJo
05-20-2012, 06:25 PM
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0947.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0948.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0949.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0950.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0951.jpg
TdmayfieldIV
05-21-2012, 12:14 AM
It's now a 3 link
tommy53002
05-21-2012, 10:49 AM
It's now a 3 link
Pics?
TdmayfieldIV
05-21-2012, 11:40 AM
All I did was take a bolt out
BroncoJo
05-21-2012, 09:05 PM
one more
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0960.jpg
TdmayfieldIV
05-22-2012, 01:30 AM
Took a piece of 1/8" plate to connect the bedfloor together.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0315.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0316.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0317.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0318.jpg
Roof
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0319.jpg
Cowl
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0320.jpg
Seeing how much i'll have to take off the trans tunnel
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0321.jpg
I think travis got the welder figured out.
mudtoy67
05-22-2012, 12:56 PM
Looking good. Good call on picking up a second bronco to chop up for this project...there'd be several TAMOR rigs still alive today if we had thought of this before. :laughing:
BroncoJo
05-22-2012, 02:02 PM
I think travis got the welder figured out.
It wasn't figuring out the welder, it was having some-what decent metal to weld to!
TdmayfieldIV
05-31-2012, 01:42 AM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/F-O-A.png
What are credit cards for anyway?
bcolman
05-31-2012, 04:57 AM
are you sure your sprung weight is that high?
TdmayfieldIV
05-31-2012, 09:34 AM
I was guestimating...ill call them today
BroncoJo
05-31-2012, 09:42 AM
I would guess closer to 1000 lbs on the front corners?
RCcola55
05-31-2012, 10:31 AM
I'd definitely call the manufacture. They can probably valve it to your driving style too, as long as you are honest with your expectations.
TdmayfieldIV
06-14-2012, 02:24 PM
Small update:
All of the crossmembers are welded together. I also cut a piece of 2x2 square and made another one. So now there are 5 body crossmembers. Just got the trans tunnel left.
TdmayfieldIV
06-18-2012, 06:55 PM
Finally picked up a trailer. Bought it for cheap, it's good for the money.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0398.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0399.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0400.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0397.jpg
-16' with a 2' dovetail.
-5" channel
-3500lb axles
-all brand spanking new tires
-new jack
I need to remove the side tire carrier and put it in the front. so I can put the bronco on there straight. It's a pretty solid old trailer.
Plans:
-Brakes
-new lights and wiring
-drive over fenders
-strip the frame and repaint
-new deck
-re plate the dovetail
-new wheels
TdmayfieldIV
06-18-2012, 07:05 PM
previously Chet's
sam_hodnett
06-18-2012, 07:25 PM
I think i pissed on that a time or two
TdmayfieldIV
06-18-2012, 07:42 PM
look sam.......trailer tires on a trailer. Novel idea huh?
DRAGOONRANCH
06-18-2012, 08:49 PM
look sam.......trailer tires on a trailer. Novel idea huh?
:gigem:
KrazyKarl02
06-18-2012, 09:26 PM
Winch work?
Just a different option for drive over fenders, on my trailer I took normal diamond plate fenders and "rolled" some angle iron and put it on the inside. I drive over it and the trailer has a clean look. On Fricks we bent a piece of tube to follow the fender and put it on top, both work and were pretty easy to do.
Other than that copy JB's, his look good.
Sharpe
06-18-2012, 09:52 PM
look sam.......trailer tires on a trailer. Novel idea huh?
Yuppy douche
sam_hodnett
06-18-2012, 09:55 PM
look sam.......trailer tires on a trailer. Novel idea huh?
Look bitch, those were load range E tires. When you have 50 tires on stuff around the ranch, you run what you got. But since you feel the need to constantly bring it up, I should mention how you blew out 2 of my tires while borrowing MY trailer to haul YOUR turd to Alto, then you only paid for approximately two fifths of ONE of the trailer tires.
I am never loaning you anything again, you pompous ungrateful ass
:flipoff2: <-- this makes it ok that I said all of that
TdmayfieldIV
06-18-2012, 09:59 PM
Jesus Sam......i forgot the:flipoff2:
BroncoJo
06-18-2012, 10:01 PM
Ooooo ban him from the tube bender
The Paris black smoke is gettting to Sam....
Hellbent
06-19-2012, 02:20 AM
I think i pissed on that a time or two
hahahahaahahah who hasnt!
sam_hodnett
06-19-2012, 07:43 AM
The Paris black smoke is gettting to Sam....
So. much. diesel. douche.
MR.ZAP
06-19-2012, 10:32 AM
But since you feel the need to constantly bring it up, I should mention how you blew out 2 of my tires while borrowing MY trailer to haul YOUR turd to Alto, then you only paid for approximately two fifths of ONE of the trailer tires.
I am never loaning you anything again, you pompous ungrateful ass
:flipoff2: <-- this makes it ok that I said all of that
I explicitly remember this. Held up the caravan for an hour.
TdmayfieldIV
06-25-2012, 01:43 PM
One more wheel to weld. Having trouble with weld consistency. I'm getting good penetration but they look like they're too wide and flat.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0404.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0405.jpg
A little trailer surgery. I'm flipping the boards over, replacing 3 of them, rewiring and putting fenders on it.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0417.jpg
AggieTJ2007
06-25-2012, 01:48 PM
don't move the gun as much and more travel speed
bcolman
06-25-2012, 03:00 PM
I hope you are inspecting the trailer welds while you have it torn apart
RCcola55
06-26-2012, 09:12 AM
Tommy, your welds are coming along fine, but stop trying to have "pirate" welds. Ya it looks cool to have the stack of dime look, but that is all dependent on torch movement and machine setting, and honestly just for show. A proper mig weld is supposed to be relatively flat, which would also reduce stress risers. For what you are doing, listen to Creighton, crank it up some and speed up; leave the pretty boy mug stuff alone for now and work on the basics, you are improving a lot!
TdmayfieldIV
06-26-2012, 11:37 AM
New boards, fenders, DOT tape, 6 wire and marker lights.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0422.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0421.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0418.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0419.jpg
Sneak Peek of the new color. I"m going to order a pinstriping brush this weekend.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0423.jpg
sam_hodnett
06-26-2012, 01:25 PM
Tommy, your welds are coming along fine, but stop trying to have "pirate" welds. Ya it looks cool to have the stack of dime look, but that is all dependent on torch movement and machine setting, and honestly just for show. A proper mig weld is supposed to be relatively flat, which would also reduce stress risers. For what you are doing, listen to Creighton, crank it up some and speed up; leave the pretty boy mug stuff alone for now and work on the basics, you are improving a lot!
This x2, those welds are looking awesome compared to when you first started.
Also, I am not going to go get you PJ stickers to put on your trailer. I dont want to assist in the defacing of the PJ name :flipoff2:
TdmayfieldIV
06-26-2012, 01:41 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not home made. The welds are far too uniform, and it originally had a lot of pinstripes. It had farm fab put onto it though, random pieces of steel welded on and cut off, nothing new painted, so it rusts.....ect.
RCcola55
06-26-2012, 03:32 PM
I just ordered lance trailer parts today, I wish you would have told so I could get you a discount and delivered to you.
TdmayfieldIV
06-28-2012, 03:42 AM
Sparling and I finished wiring it tonight. New Tail lights and marker lights.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0428.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0427.jpg
Sparling
06-28-2012, 04:31 AM
You should skip nap time tomorrow so we can finish this bitch.
TdmayfieldIV
06-28-2012, 05:07 AM
I need my naps, i'm a growing boy
mudtoy67
06-28-2012, 08:07 AM
Looking good. Did you include provisions in the wiring for marker lights at the outer corners of the fenders? Mine has them and it sure helps me see where the edge of the trailer is, especially on dark, narrow roads.
RCcola55
06-28-2012, 08:17 AM
They are required. Try the new 3/4" microlite single LEDS
tigweld
06-28-2012, 08:46 AM
only required if it's over 88" wide i think
FWIW - gooseneck trailer has proven to be a good source of trailer parts for good prices. They also have nice 6 dollar hats.
Sparling
06-28-2012, 01:43 PM
gooseneck on 21 is the ****.
TdmayfieldIV
06-28-2012, 02:06 PM
Yeah that's where I bought the parts. They are pretty badass.
TdmayfieldIV
06-28-2012, 02:37 PM
The deck is 81" wide. the fenders are 10.75" wide each....so I need the triple lights in the rear and fender lights.
RCcola55
06-28-2012, 04:59 PM
That's 102.5"! You will also need a wide load sign, check your math.
TdmayfieldIV
06-29-2012, 01:55 AM
Had to cut the fenders out so it's not over 102" It's exactly 101.5" wide now.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0436.jpg
4.25" of tire clearance
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0438.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0445.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0446.jpg
I'm not happy with the way it looks now, and it needs clearance lights on the fender. I'm going to use some 2x4 square tubing we have and mount it under the fender. So the bottom 4" of the fender will be some thick **** so it won't get ****ed up if I run it into something.
Using 2x2 square tubing to make them drive over.
DRAGOONRANCH
06-29-2012, 05:55 AM
Looking good.
DRAGOONRANCH
06-29-2012, 06:03 AM
The owners wife is making me take off the fourth to spend time with the family, so I think I am going to bring our ratty tilt bed GN home and fab some drive over fenders that day to make up the time while I am tending to the pit. ***
Sharpe
06-29-2012, 07:49 AM
TumTum, in addition to the beefy square tube, make a wedge brace like so. Will help deflect polls and **** that you will inevitably drag it into.
TexTJ209
06-29-2012, 02:43 PM
TumTum, in addition to the beefy square tube, make a wedge brace like so. Will help deflect polls and **** that you will inevitably drag it into.
Voting day must be hell then.
TdmayfieldIV
06-29-2012, 03:29 PM
These will go under the fenders on the bottom half of the frame rail.
Test piece
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0447.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0448.jpg
don't mind the **** welds on the frame. I'm going to cut most of that off and grind it smooth anyway
three more on the assembly line, ambers in the front, reds in the rear
I cut the hole too far in on the red. So both reds will look like the one pictured, the ambers will be almost to the edge.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0449.jpg
TdmayfieldIV
06-30-2012, 01:53 AM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0452.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0453.jpg
TdmayfieldIV
07-01-2012, 02:59 AM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0460.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0461.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0462.jpg
TdmayfieldIV
07-01-2012, 03:05 AM
The drive over looks alot higher in the picture than it is. It's only 3/4" off the top of the fender.
TdmayfieldIV
07-01-2012, 03:26 AM
On second thought....i'm going to redo that. They need to be recessed into the fender.
davido
07-02-2012, 06:55 PM
Take a look at JB's. Rhino did a sweet job on it. Pics are probably on here somewhere.
Looking good!
TdmayfieldIV
07-03-2012, 02:21 AM
That was the plan until I found out how much 2x4 box was.....I may change it later but i'm sick of working on this thing. I need to get back on the bronco pronto.
I spend more time getting this legal than making it functional.
Some expensive damn stickers.....They have to cover half of the length of the trailer, so that's 7 per side.
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0466.jpg
Almost have the fender for the other side done.
RCcola55
07-03-2012, 10:43 AM
You actually don't have to have reflective tap unless the trailer has a 10000lb or higher gvwr. Sorry to burst you bubble, but it's in the fine print of the DOT.
But if you are going to run it make sure you have the white to the front of the trailer like you have in your picture.
TdmayfieldIV
07-03-2012, 01:09 PM
Well ****
http://www.tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17647&stc=1&d=1279506582
Clarke did a great job on mine. The fender is sliced out, and the 2x4 is recessed in. Sticks up maybe 1/2". Welded the fender to it, then used some sort caulk to smooth out the seam. Covered it all up with bedliner. Still very happy with it
TdmayfieldIV
07-03-2012, 02:14 PM
Like I said, these will work. I'm not spending $100 on drive over fenders right now.
RCcola55
07-03-2012, 08:54 PM
See how much 4x4.5# channel is. It's normally half the cost of 2x4 or 3x1.5 and it will be plenty strong.
Shaggy
07-04-2012, 08:07 AM
I just have angle on mine and it does the job.
TdmayfieldIV
07-06-2012, 01:24 PM
Done for now
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0484.jpg
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0485.jpg
Leaving the dovetail till I can afford the steel for a new one.
BroncoJo
07-06-2012, 02:59 PM
Is there a gap between the fender and drive over?
TdmayfieldIV
07-06-2012, 03:29 PM
Yes, 3/4"
tommy53002
07-06-2012, 05:28 PM
Looks good.
TdmayfieldIV
07-07-2012, 03:34 AM
brakes....
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0489.jpg
DRAGOONRANCH
07-07-2012, 05:41 AM
brakes are only 50% done....
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0489.jpg
FIFY
:flipoff3:
TdmayfieldIV
07-07-2012, 12:53 PM
Gooseneck gave me two rights.......and i slept through my alarm this morning and they closed at noon. So now I have to wait until monday. GDI
DRAGOONRANCH
07-08-2012, 12:45 PM
:doh:
colman
07-09-2012, 12:28 PM
so after all the work and you much you have spent to get a cheap trailer to be what you needed do the math for us real quick and tell us if it was worth it or if you should have bought one that was already done......
TdmayfieldIV
07-09-2012, 01:24 PM
Thanks for your concern, but yes, i have $1400 in it. Find me another trailer for less than $1500 that looks as good as mine does now (after the new wheels that I traded for) with brand new brakes, tires, bearings, good wood and drive overs and get back to me. I could sell this trailer for an easy $2000 with the new wheels on it.
here's a trailer almost exactly like mine for $2600. Except with a metal deck, which I don't want.
http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/3094883182.html
TdmayfieldIV
07-09-2012, 01:36 PM
http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/TdmayfieldIV/IMAG0490.jpg
bcolman
07-09-2012, 01:41 PM
Thanks for your concern, but yes, i have $1400 in it. Find me another trailer for less than $1500 that looks as good as mine does now (after the new wheels that I traded for) with brand new brakes, tires, bearings, good wood and drive overs and get back to me. I could sell this trailer for an easy $2000 with the new wheels on it.
here's a trailer almost exactly like mine for $2600. Except with a metal deck, which I don't want.
http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/3094883182.html
http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/3077407679.html
and
http://houston.craigslist.org/grd/3121137401.html
these took me 5 minutes to find, not saying that they are better or worse than yours just something to look at
TdmayfieldIV
07-09-2012, 01:59 PM
The second one has car tires. But ok, I have as much in this trailer as a newer one costs. But all of the wearable components on mine are new.
Doesn't matter, I did all the work myself so I know how everything is holding up/how old it is.
colman
07-09-2012, 02:01 PM
i was just asking cause this was one of those things that easily could have turned out expensive and it has for people in the past.
sam_hodnett
07-09-2012, 03:30 PM
Good work tommy
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