The Dodge build-up

[MR.ZAP]

The new paint-match grille Dodges actually look really good, although I don't think the lighter colors look very good with it. The darker ones look sweet though, especially the R/T's. That black grille would work, but it would be too much black. You need something in between.

[hudhawk]

That black grille would work, but it would be too much black. You need something in between.

This^. Silver grille surround with black mesh.

[Sparling]

I vote just leave it the way it is. That black one you posted looks gay and if you paint it black it's going to look like a work truck.

[TdmayfieldIV]

Is your truck a '79 Bronco? .....No



Why does this^ matter? And it also depends on the vehicle manufacturer.

Because the 79 bronco is the sexiest truck ever made.

[hudhawk]

Because the 79 bronco is the sexiest truck ever made.

You answered neither one of my questions.

[JB]

Leave it as it is. It looks fine. Anything else will be ghetto. "Blacking" anything out or painting anything that wasn't already painted?!?!... Leave it to the highschool/SamHodnett ricer crowd.

The mods on that truck have, for the most part, had a purpose, or a function.....this, would be straying from that.

[BroncoJo]

Leave it as it is. It looks fine. Anything else will be ghetto. "Blacking" anything out or painting anything that wasn't already painted?!?!... Leave it to the highschool/SamHodnett ricer crowd.

The mods on that truck have, for the most part, had a purpose, or a function.....this, would be straying from that.

Haha I'm not doing anything to it, I wanted to buy just a black work-truck grille to replace mine but cannot find one and I just dropped some serious coin on these:

New tires
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0803.jpg

New tire deflator
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0804.jpg

Pair of needle nose pliers (what killed the grabbers)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0802.jpg

[sam_hodnett]

Hell yeah! back on the 37s!

[Sharpe]

Hell yeah! back on the 37s!

Felate much? :flipoff2:

[BroncoJo]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0806.jpg

[Sparling]

You suck at picture taking. Why would you put a dodge in the way of the bronco? Now you can't see the whole thing.

[BroncoJo]

Updates pictures, rubbing on the back might require pulled bed-sides if so I'll be going with glass on the front

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0814.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0815.jpg
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[BroncoJo]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG0820.jpg

[BroncoJo]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/imagejpeg_2_6.jpg

[JB]

What brand?

[Sparling]

Carli long travel.

[FJAggie07]

This thing really looks good! Good job Travis.

[BroncoJo]

Thanks

[AggieTJ2007]

about time you get some airbags so it doesn't squat like a bitch`

[DRAGOONRANCH]

about time you get some airbags so it doesn't squat like a bitch`

:gigem:

[BroncoJo]

So I nailed the **** out of a cow-bird on the highway... now I have to buy a new headlight

I also pulled down a tree
_jGhKDxgag4

[BroncoJo]

Work truck rice!

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1095.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1094.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1093.jpg

[JB]

..................

[BroncoJo]

Jealous?

[MR.ZAP]

Looks good man! Not too diesel rice, goes well with the rest of the truck.

[TdmayfieldIV]

I tried to convince him to do a stock replacement......I'm not a fan

[BroncoJo]

I tried to convince him to do a stock replacement......I'm not a fan

That is a stock replacement... From a "night runner"

[Seth]

looks good, but i wouldnt go calling it a work truck.

[RCcola55]

Where did you end up getting a grill?

[BroncoJo]

Where did you end up getting a grill?

Painted the old one.

[Deluxe]

Took my recommendation after all...Im a fan

[JB]

.........................

[BroncoJo]

Thanks for all the positive comments :gigem: this was the cheapest option after smashing that bird on the highway.

[MR.ZAP]

Black is always good...

[sam_hodnett]

Looks good man!

[BroncoJo]

New toy, its a fish finder but I think I can load land maps. Anybody have any experience with this?
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1118.jpg

[RCcola55]

I think you you have to get the card with the maps on them, at least that's what you do for different lakes.

[TMatheaus]

i dont think that one will have maps, the elite-5 is the one with the gps

[Hot Pocket]

New toy, its a fish finder but I think I can load land maps. Anybody have any experience with this?
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1118.jpg

Mine never found any fish when I loaded my land maps :flipoff2:

[BroncoJo]

Tommy, you're right but I was thinking that I could add an external antenna but think I might just throw it on a yak

[sam_hodnett]

Mine never found any fish when I loaded my land maps :flipoff2:

Wow you're a tool

[Hot Pocket]

Wow you're a tool

Wow Sam you're so cool for calling me a tool! What a badass!

[RCcola55]

Oh gosh here we go again....

[AggieTJ2007]

New toy, its a fish finder but I think I can load land maps. Anybody have any experience with this?
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1118.jpg

Are you sure you don't need any help wiring it up?

[TdmayfieldIV]

Children........calm down

Both of you go to your room

[BroncoJo]

Broadie!

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1124.jpg

[JB]

It squats with a dirt bike in the bed? Damn. ;)

[MR.ZAP]

It squats with a dirt bike in the bed? Damn. ;)

That's the Baja setup, brah!!!!

[TdmayfieldIV]

It squats when you put the spare tire in the bed.

[BroncoJo]

**** that bike weighs like 250 lbs

[tigweld]

if thats a wr like it looks like u can add a few more lb's yz 4t are closer to 250. didn't know there were any other dirt bike riders on here. u ride much?

[BroncoJo]

if thats a wr like it looks like u can add a few more lb's yz 4t are closer to 250. didn't know there were any other dirt bike riders on here. u ride much?

Use to, before school. Mostly nd tracks but I want to get on more trails now. This thing was a steal, its a 99 wr400

[BroncoJo]

Just bought this, one less excuse now

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1191.jpg

[BroncoJo]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/IMAG1192.jpg

[JB]

What are you going to put on it?

[BroncoJo]

Dirt bike

[JB]

Ha!

[KrazyKarl02]

Looks solid, that is how my trailer is built (with the deck and then the C-Channel V under it) and I think it makes for a very solid platform vs. the utility trailer square. Only thing I do not like from the pic is there is no dove tail.

[BroncoJo]

I wanted the flat deck

[TdmayfieldIV]

http://www.texas4x4.org/sale-24/cummins-twin-turbo-parts-s480-46251/

[Sparling]

That's a deep hole to fall into.

[BroncoJo]

I have way too much other stuff I would like to do

[BroncoJo]

So I drove through a little water puddle and sucked up a little water. Also my the bracket that directs wires going to the electric fan clutch got into the fan, taking out one blade and cutting the wires. Now I'm going to have to replace the wires, relocate the batteries and move the airbox closer to the fire wall. Anybody have any input about electric fans on a diesel? I'm thinking about using these : http://www.summitracing.com/parts/flx-264/overview/year/2007/make/dodge/model/ram-2500


http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/EC9C0CCC-2E75-4ADA-974B-EF3F872B04CB-16510-00000E03DB9A060F_zps79b99fc1.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/BroncoJo/media/EC9C0CCC-2E75-4ADA-974B-EF3F872B04CB-16510-00000E03DB9A060F_zps79b99fc1.jpg.html)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/39E12920-DFA8-4828-873B-0EFEB828EE40-16510-00000E03E2EDED75_zps43a3e02c.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/BroncoJo/media/39E12920-DFA8-4828-873B-0EFEB828EE40-16510-00000E03E2EDED75_zps43a3e02c.jpg.html)

[AggieTJ2007]

How bad did you hurt the motor?

I don't think electric fans could move enough air to cool a diesel if you actually towed with it. For you they will probably work fine.

[BroncoJo]

Don't think I hurt the motor, but It's the second time its drank some water so I really need to fix the problem. I'm more worried about improving low-speed off-roading than towing, I'll probably never tow over 10k.

[Sparling]

It wasn't a little water, Travis got his truck drunk on creek water. I think the motor is fine, it's just that the S&B intake has the cold air tube that sticks too far down.

Electric fans will probably work, they'll just be a pain. If possible, I would see if any oem parts can be made to work, that way if you're going to king of the trimmers with your new club cadet rig and your fan craps out on you, then you can go to the next parts store and get a new fan instead of trying to deal with summit and getting your truck home because you can't tow that much with no fan.

[BroncoJo]

It just sputtered a bit. Do you think flex-a-lite will have longevity issues? That's why I was thinking dual electric fans instead of a big single, redundancy. I really don't mind going to electric fans to get away from the electric fan clutch....

[TdmayfieldIV]

Just fix the stock stuff. It never turns out well when you start ****ing with the factory cooling system. Just zip tie the wires away from the fan.

[KrazyKarl02]

Just fix the stock stuff. It never turns out well when you start ****ing with the factory cooling system. Just zip tie the wires away from the fan.

Wow, times are changing, Mayfield with the good advice for Travis....

[TdmayfieldIV]

oh ****. On second thought, cool it with liquid nitrogen....if you can't find that, just hire a mexican to stay under the hood and spray water on the radiator.

[BroncoJo]

But race trucks have electric fans

[TdmayfieldIV]

Race trucks also drive less than 5,000 miles a year.

[BroncoJo]

So you are saying they are not reliable? I'm replacing broken ****...

[AggieTJ2007]

quick internet research shows that stock fan pulls almost 25000 cfm at lock up. does your fan clutch ever lock? if so the electric fan will probably be insufficient.

[Sparling]

can you retro fit a thermal clutch?

[BroncoJo]

quick internet research shows that stock fan pulls almost 25000 cfm at lock up. does your fan clutch ever lock? if so the electric fan will probably be insufficient.

Really? Do you have any idea what a 25000 CFM fan would look like or how much air that is?

From what I've found is a stock fan moves about ~6000 CFM at full lock up and the efficiency is debatable. The flex-a-lite fans are rated up too 5,500 cfm.

Reason for going to electric fans:
-Controllability, I'll be able to turn it off for water crossings or leave it on to aid in cool down.
-Efficiency, electric fans are more efficient thus the reason they are on all the newer vehicles and I believe the flex-a-lite shroud will be an improvement over stock
-Space, I can free up some under hood space.
-Poor design running a guide rod for wires where there is so little clearance between the belt and fan.

My concerns:
-Not moving enough air
-Reliability

[AggieTJ2007]

I agree it is alot but have you ever heard your fan at full lock up at 3000 rpm? I know a Duramax stock fan is alot more than 6000 CFM at full lockup at 3000 RPM.

Electric fans are used on modern vehicles because they improve AC performance at low speed.

Anyways try it and let us know how it works because I find threads on people asking and no real world experience.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

I know a Duramax stock fan is alot more than 6000 CFM at full lockup at 3000

I am pretty sure Isuzu figured out how to power the fans on the Duramax with some sort of jet engine! I have yet to be able to find it under the hood, but I have definitely heard it when its at full throttle. :D

[mudtoy67]

can you retro fit a thermal clutch?

http://www.strictlydiesel.com/p-2754-common-rail-fan-hub-adapter.aspx

[BroncoJo]

That's pretty neat BDR


As far as relocating the batteries (to the tool box for now) would it be better to wire the batteries in parallel and run 2 stands of 2/0 cable (positive and negative) to their original spots under the hood or run 4 2/0 cables under the hood? Or is 4 strands of 2/0 cable even going to be enough?


eventually there will be a winch up front

[JB]

That much cable is not cheap. Why do you want to do this again? There is not a simpler solution to prevent water from getting in? Seems a little drastic.

[BroncoJo]

$100-150 for cable. Other than a snorkel out the side of a truck I don't see a better way. If I move the batteries I can move the airbox next to the firewall and hopefully draw air from the fender instead of from the bumper.

Well add another $150 for battery boxes. I don't mind doing this stuff as long as I can do it right.

[Sparling]

Why not just switch the batteries and air box and put the batteries right on the core support like the super duty does and put the filter further towards the firewall now that the battery isn't in the way

[BroncoJo]

Well when you put it like that, I don't know.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

2/0 from the batteries in the toolbox tied straight to the starter and wherever the original ground strap ties to the frame. Should be more than adequate. Moving the weight back that far will be a bonus for the offroad gofast I would think also.

[Hot Pocket]

4/0

[AggieTJ2007]

Why are you still here?

[Hot Pocket]

Why are you still here?

Because I enjoy pissing you off :flipoff2:

And I know a thing or two about electrical systems.

http://74.50.20.110/wiringdiagram.jpg

[TdmayfieldIV]

anyone can google, hotpocket. 2/0 is overkill, but that's what I would use.

[Sharpe]

That chart doesn't say 4/0 anywhere on it...

[KrazyKarl02]

Because I enjoy pissing you off :flipoff2:

And I know a thing or two about electrical systems.

http://74.50.20.110/wiringdiagram.jpg

Tell me about how you are going to run a microwave off of an inverter again

[RCcola55]

I couldn't imagine trying to snake 4/0 through a vehicle. I like sparlings idea.

[StevenAg03]

Why not just switch the batteries and air box and put the batteries right on the core support like the super duty does and put the filter further towards the firewall now that the battery isn't in the way

same way 2nd gens are...

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Ive done it on old Southwestern Bell trucks when we were installing big inverters. It's a beeotch for sure. We installed two extra alternators on them, it was a pretty peemp setup.

[robertf03]

Look up resistance per foot, figure amps required, calculate voltage drop
Take voltage drop multiply by amps required and that is the heat put out by the cable. If its too high to air cool resistance goes up compounding the heat generation and catching fire

Or take off the shop vac filter that probably isnt doing anything for performance or filtration and problem solved

[BroncoJo]

Or take off the shop vac filter that probably isnt doing anything for performance or filtration and problem solved

Oh ya, because going back to a factory filter that doesn't flow or filter as much and draws air from the same place is a good idea.:rolleyes:

[robertf03]

it must be better, it says so on the box

[BroncoJo]

If you had half a brain cell you could figure out which is better

[BroncoJo]

Actually after swimming the truck there was not a trace of mud/dirt past the filter, I'm impressed. The filter is trash now though.

[BroncoJo]

Has anybody seen or have examples of decent homemade air box's? I have no idea what's the best way to pipe between the turbo and filter.

[Sparling]

Exhaust tubing and a 6637 filter from napa work great on my truck. If you wanted to get fancy i guess you could fab a box with some thin aluminum and some pop rivets.

[BroncoJo]

But you're not making any bends with the exhaust tubing, correct? As for the box itself it will probably be some thin aluminum, but it's the turbo to filter routing I'm unsure of? If only the cummins had the battery and filter setup of the 7.3 it would truly be the perfect engine...

[Sparling]

No bends but any exhaust shop should be able to make whatever bends you need. It's 4" tubing.

[Sparling]

Or if you want to get extra fancy, figure out what you need and order mandrel bent stainless from summit.

[AggieTJ2007]

silicone tubing if you want to be extra fancy
http://www.siliconeintakes.com/

[Sharpe]

No bends but any exhaust shop should be able to make whatever bends you need. It's 4" tubing.

No exhaust shop will be able to bend 4" tube and even if they could they'd dent the **** out of it.

[Sparling]

My truck has some really big 2" exhaust then.

[sam_hodnett]

No exhaust shop will be able to bend 4" tube and even if they could they'd dent the **** out of it.

Why not? Almost every diesel runs 3.5" factory exhaust and a ton of people run 4 and 5 inch full exhausts. I know for a fact one of the shops in Paris does it all the time

[BroncoJo]

silicone tubing if you want to be extra fancy
http://www.siliconeintakes.com/

Any idea on quality and longevity? Something like this would be sweet

[AggieTJ2007]

quality and longevity should be as good as any of the silicone pieces on your inter cooler piping. If you search around there are several different sites selling the silicone intake parts but since you are not planning on using them under any pressure you don't have to get anal about layers and all of that.

[BroncoJo]

went ahead and ordered the fans, hope they work...

[JB]

So

Pros:

Water crossings
Slightly more power

Cons:

Might not cool my engine as well
Might not be reliable.


Good call. ;)

[BroncoJo]

So

Pros:

Water crossings
Colder A/C

Cons:

Might not cool my engine as well
Might not be reliable.


Good call. ;)


Fixed,

I'm thinking these may actually help cooling, the only times I ever see trouble cooling is low-speeds in the sand.

[TdmayfieldIV]

I really don't see why you're trying to reinvent the wheel. The additional parasitic drain from the alternator will negate any power gain from getting rid of the mechanical fan.

1. The mech fan was designed to work for your motor. The only time it has let you down is because it got tangled in a wire.
2. The money you'll end up spending because of relays and thermostatic controllers for your fan will make the fans just as expensive.
3. How often do you make water crossings deep enough to hit the fan?
4. Will the electric fans cover the whole radiator or are you going to have to make a massive shroud that will take up as much space as the mech fan?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but stop trying to reinvent the wheel. What's wrong with the mech fan? Maybe there's a reason you can't find anyone who has put electric fans on that truck?

[Seth]

So, anyone oil sampled to see how the aftermarket filters vs stock?

[BroncoJo]

I really don't see why you're trying to reinvent the wheel. The additional parasitic drain from the alternator will negate any power gain from getting rid of the mechanical fan.

1. The mech fan was designed to work for your motor. The only time it has let you down is because it got tangled in a wire.
2. The money you'll end up spending because of relays and thermostatic controllers for your fan will make the fans just as expensive.
3. How often do you make water crossings deep enough to hit the fan?
4. Will the electric fans cover the whole radiator or are you going to have to make a massive shroud that will take up as much space as the mech fan?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but stop trying to reinvent the wheel. What's wrong with the mech fan? Maybe there's a reason you can't find anyone who has put electric fans on that truck?

Since you're not trying to be a dick I'll try to explain it so even you can understand, :flipoff2:!

The additional drag from the alternator will be less then the horsepower lost from the fan, it's an efficiency thing. However, the power gains will be minimal at best, largely do to the stock fan hardly being utilized. I have never said I'm doing this for power or fuel economy.

1. The mechanical fan has not preformed up to my expectations. I've had to stop and let the truck cool numerous times, hopefully the E-fans will speed up cool downs and prevent low-speed, low RPM over heating.
2. The money I'll drop in the fans will be twice what I could fix the truck for, but most parts I add to the truck are not cheap.
3. I really can't believe you would ask this question. How often do you wheel? Why do you need a diesel? all bogus questions. This isn't the first time I've trashed a filter in water and obviously I'm trying to improve the truck's water crossing abilities.
4. From what I can tell, I like the design of the flex-a-lite shroud better than the stock one.

From what I've found on the interwebs is just people that have no experience with the e-fans saying they are junk and everybody with them say the work great. Obviously they are not a popular mod because most people want more power and there are a plethora of better power-adding options.

[Sparling]

Tommy, do you not have an electric fan on your bronco? You sound like JB arguing about diesels.

[JB]

You mean he was making several valid points?

[JB]

You saying your motor not cooling when towing or when in sand? My little gay gasser would get to 200-210 towing in July heat, but never in sand. Trans tempt would get high in sand though.

Cool story I know

I think you should try it, but I think it is alot of work for not much gain

[AggieTJ2007]

Low speed- Low RPM you just need to down shift and raise the RPM's it will solve your cooling issues and lower EGTs

[robertf03]

Are electric fans really any better for water crossing? I've never had problems with a mechanical fan while crossing water, and I'm pretty sure I've swamped my **** more than anyone else on this forum. The metal fan on the CJ only hit the radiator when the motor mounts broke, never under water.

electric fans don't last near as long as a fan clutch. I've replaced the rover condensor fans multiple times, even with flex a lites once. flex a lites didn't last more than a few years. OEM stuff lasted at least a decade, but still crapped out.

[Hellbent]

Are electric fans really any better for water crossing? I've never had problems with a mechanical fan while crossing water, and I'm pretty sure I've swamped my **** more than anyone else on this forum. The metal fan on the CJ only hit the radiator when the motor mounts broke, never under water.

electric fans don't last near as long as a fan clutch. I've replaced the rover condensor fans multiple times, even with flex a lites once. flex a lites didn't last more than a few years. OEM stuff lasted at least a decade, but still crapped out.


The mechanical fan on my cj bent when i went through deep water and went into the radiator. Congrats on your expert level number of water crossings bra!!!!! Great accomplishment!


I looked into electric fans for my 6.4 for awhile and kept getting turned away. The mechanical fan is always working, always pushing a constant stream of air across all coolers. The E- fan, will kick on and off at a certain temp but often with a truck that is towing, it hits these temps while pulling a steep grade, once the fan kicks on the temps are continuing to skyrocket and the fan can not keep up. Meanwhile the stock fan would have been working to lower these temps from the start, getting a "head start" on cooling compared to an electric setup.

Hope that made some sense.

[BroncoJo]

Thanks Even, I guess I'll just try them out any how though.


Generally speaking dropping a gear does cool the truck well, but having to shutdown to go to low range sucks.

[robertf03]

The mechanical fan on my cj bent when i went through deep water and went into the radiator.

probably aftermarket fan or lack of lower grill ridgidity from no fenders.

[Seth]

FWIW - I don't believe the parasitic drag from powering E-fans is anywhere near the drag from a mech fan.

[TdmayfieldIV]

Tommy, do you not have an electric fan on your bronco? You sound like JB arguing about diesels.

Actually I did and they blew. I had a dual fan set up and they never kept it cool and they drew a ton of power.........Stock cooling set ups work. Especially for mostly stock trucks, like Travis'

1. If you need more cooling add a pusher to supplement your stock system. Or do some gears......maybe then you won't be working the engine so hard to tow. You have 37's and stock gears.
2. All of the other expensive stuff you put on your truck made sense, and was proven
3. It's a valid question, it's a dd. The amount of negative it will probably do on your daily driving plus the money you're gonna spend on it will not be offset by the 5 times you ever get in water that deep. We aren't talking about air filters, we're talking about the fan. For the record I think switching it with the battery is a solid idea.

Do whatever you want, it's your truck. Just don't throw your old parts away.

(you asked for opinions, it's a forum....that's my opinion)

[sam_hodnett]

I guess you arent having much fun in Germany? :flipoff2:

[BroncoJo]

Actually I did and they blew. I had a dual fan set up and they never kept it cool and they drew a ton of power.........Stock cooling set ups work. Especially for mostly stock trucks, like Travis'

1. If you need more cooling add a pusher to supplement your stock system. Or do some gears......maybe then you won't be working the engine so hard to tow. You have 37's and stock gears.
2. All of the other expensive stuff you put on your truck made sense, and was proven
3. It's a valid question, it's a dd. The amount of negative it will probably do on your daily driving plus the money you're gonna spend on it will not be offset by the 5 times you ever get in water that deep. We aren't talking about air filters, we're talking about the fan. For the record I think switching it with the battery is a solid idea.

Do whatever you want, it's your truck. Just don't throw your old parts away.

(you asked for opinions, it's a forum....that's my opinion)

Oh ya, because if you couldn't make efans work nobody can...

[AggieTJ2007]

Oh ya, because if you couldn't make efans work nobody can...

Yeah my efans work great on my Jeep. So good actually that GM decided to put electric fans on newer GM vehicles from the factory.


Let us know how they work because like you probably found there are many people that talk about how they don't work but I haven't found many that have actually run them.

[BroncoJo]

Will do, and it's not like I'm stuck with them if they don't work that well

[Sparling]

Actually I did and they blew. I had a dual fan set up and they never kept it cool and they drew a ton of power.........Stock cooling set ups work. Especially for mostly stock trucks, like Travis's

1. You have an e fan now
2. You only had like 60 amps worth of alternator when you had the fans (that's like complaining that your brand new 42" tsl s and awesome beadlocks suck because you keep breaking Dana 30 axle shafts)
3. Travis's truck isn't very stock and definitely isn't used like a stock truck. His stock fan was plastic and it broke when it hit the water.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with Travis's choice but when you break something do you not look for better options before just replacing it with more of the same part that broke?

[DRAGOONRANCH]

The flex-a-fit dual fans work great now on the beast, just had to wire them up right and replace some wire that had been butt spliced way too many times.

[BroncoJo]

Fans came in and I'm thinking they will work. I haven't tried to fit anything yet, and won't until next week, but I'm very impressed with the quality.

Few things I noticed:
-Full aluminum shroud with a gasket seal
-Multi-speed controller, so the fans hopefully wont be playing "catch-up" like Evan said.
-very solid mounting hardware.

Also these do not come with the warning not to tow over 18,000 lbs like the first generation did. Also when going back an looking at the cheaper model, it lacks the multi-speed control, aluminum shroud, and is only rated for 3500 cfm. I'm figuring any negative you saw on the interwebs probably came from the other model.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/D3CDC781-D659-4377-9337-9F5A65B083D3-21342-000011BF890B8B2E_zps140326ac.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/BroncoJo/media/D3CDC781-D659-4377-9337-9F5A65B083D3-21342-000011BF890B8B2E_zps140326ac.jpg.html)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/F123F5A3-EAA0-4E01-9827-66AF19C82EA3-21342-000011BF93F90B2F_zpse7aef435.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/BroncoJo/media/F123F5A3-EAA0-4E01-9827-66AF19C82EA3-21342-000011BF93F90B2F_zpse7aef435.jpg.html)

Not sure what this is though...
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/35ADD327-2A42-4431-AC96-B6F950032B7D-21342-000011BF9A4B094E_zpscccf9c1b.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/BroncoJo/media/35ADD327-2A42-4431-AC96-B6F950032B7D-21342-000011BF9A4B094E_zpscccf9c1b.jpg.html)

[BroncoJo]

So I went ahead and replaced my Q-Industries, portable, chinese, air compressor that I lost. Even though I like buying expensive ****, I still can't pull the trigger on a $400 + viair kit, so I present:


Power Spair by Slime

At a comparable price ($49.99) this thing blows (:p) the other compressor out of the water!

Features Include:
-24 oz slime
-Same ****ty compressor, but with built in LED light!
-Cigarette and alligator hook ups
-Stickers
-Tire gauge
-How-To manual
-Misc box-o-****
-Plugs
-Sturdy case with safety reflective triangle

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/EE03D5B4-DB4B-4411-9DD8-0B8E948D6CCA-21342-000011BFA5446881_zpsca5f6bba.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/BroncoJo/media/EE03D5B4-DB4B-4411-9DD8-0B8E948D6CCA-21342-000011BFA5446881_zpsca5f6bba.jpg.html)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/A2309C70-0FE3-44F1-8AB7-FDCA61142FE5-21342-000011BFC7537B11_zps5c5a82c2.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/BroncoJo/media/A2309C70-0FE3-44F1-8AB7-FDCA61142FE5-21342-000011BFC7537B11_zps5c5a82c2.jpg.html)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/62767279-95DC-43BD-95B5-2DA24C32A98F-21342-000011BFC0E6BDF0_zps924a965d.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/BroncoJo/media/62767279-95DC-43BD-95B5-2DA24C32A98F-21342-000011BFC0E6BDF0_zps924a965d.jpg.html)

[TdmayfieldIV]

I need to get me one of them power spairs

Fan looks better than what I was thinking it would

[TdmayfieldIV]

I need to get me one of them power spairs

Fan looks better than what I was thinking it would

[AggieTJ2007]

judging by the location those are most likely vents to let air out from inside the shroud when traveling at highway speeds if the fans are not running.

[BroncoJo]

Well the truck kept getting warm when city driving so I spent two days installing the fans at my parents house ( between missing parts and torrential rains). So far I'm happy, major disappointment was the kit missing then temp sensor but one is in the mail from flex-a-lite.

With out the temp sensor I wired two switches that will override the variable control module, one for off and one for on ( I was planning on doing this anyhow).

As far as the design and kit goes I am somewhat impressed, two major gripes are:
1. The shroud leaves a little to be desired as far as coverage goes. The offset shape fits well at the bottom where there is tight clearance between the radiator and power steering box, however the top leaves a portion ( top corner) of the radiator uncovered for no reason that I can see.
2. Missing the temp sensor, this is a pretty important part because the fans won't work as designed without.

As for performance and cooling I am impressed but have yet to put it through any serious test. So far I've driven though Houston traffic, open highway, extended idling and about a 10 mile beach drive. I'll use the 200 degree mark as a benchmark, previously the truck would run about 190-195 and reach 200 in slightly above normal conditions but would not stay there. Only steep hills towing or extended distances in deep sand does the temp gauge hang around 210. Only twice has the truck really got hot, once was dragging the krawltex buggy up a mountain ( switched to low range ) and once dragging a couple thousand pounds of fishing gear down PINS ( torque converter permanently locked, dash board looked like Christmas lights and just had to cross my fingers).

Houston traffic- this was a mix of freeways and suburbia and the truck never exceeded 200, ac worked great. Most of the time the truck was running slightly cooler maybe 185 and might have even been a tad more powerful because of this.

Idling - stayed cooler than normal and the ac has been working great, where previously it sucked.

Beach trip - the conditions down Matty were pretty ideal but I did make it a point to creep though all the deep stuff and never saw 200. Ac kicked ass the whole time.

In conclusion it's still to earl to tell but it's looking good for e-fans.



Disclaimer: the fans were wired 100% on or off, so no variable control. The wiring is unfinished because removing the batteries made me want to go ahead with the relocation.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/43F3533D-2743-435C-9080-97834F46EEF2-1001-00000131A3B67760_zps7da93861.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/CF32985D-8D64-4846-BC50-E393553BC132-1001-00000131BEDF2E3E_zps946618c5.jpg

[BroncoJo]

That was my first ipad post...

[AggieTJ2007]

sounds good, I would recommend wiring the fan to the AC clutch if possible so that the fans run whenever the AC compressor kick on. That way you will continue to get kick ass AC all of the time.

Sounds promising. What was the outside temp? Did you notice a drop in voltage (dash gauge) with the fans on vs off?

[BroncoJo]

It will get wired to the ac one I get the temp probe. No drop in voltage or dime head lights and temp has been up to 95 ish

[BroncoJo]

Also I'm switching to a ipad with motionx hd GPS ( only $2.99 )for navigation and chart plotting. I like this route a lot but my only concern is storing the maps for off line use. Just the topo and street maps of Texas looks like it will be 20-30 gigs and I haven't figured out how to store the sat imagery yet. I'm using AT&T for the carrier and have been pleased with the south Texas coverage. Using the tablet to locate points of interest on the map I can transfer coordinates ( manualy, by hand )to my handheld unit and use it when I'm on the bike or kayak, but I'm still looking for a way I can transfer large amounts of data through a sd card. Does anybody have any experience with this?

On a side note the 450x runs out of gas around the 40 mile mark off road... How the hell am I suppose to run the baja like that?:p

[BroncoJo]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/ae7adcba381d086dc072b1b801ff7a2c_zps7db2d5a2.jpg

[85cj7]

Don't use the topo/aerial tiffs for the entire state. Instead split them into USGS quad grids and open the grid that you are in. File size should be much more managable that way. Do you have to manually change coordinate systems on an i-pad? I know nothing about them or how accurate they are. I have two mapping grade Trimble units that I use daily. A Juno unit (2-3m accuracy post processing) and a XH6000 unit (submeter accuracy post processing)

[robertf03]

back country navigator lets you select the areas you want for offline routes instead of the whole state.

as far as file transfer, what is wrong with using wifi from the PC instead of SD card? (I'm expecing a typical Travis answer, don't let me down on this one)

A several hundred mile trail files isn't that big, any program worth $2.99 should handle GPX or KML, thats pretty much the standard. SD card should hold all of your travels unless you've got it sampling every meter.

[BroncoJo]

Don't use the topo/aerial tiffs for the entire state. Instead split them into USGS quad grids and open the grid that you are in. File size should be much more managable that way. Do you have to manually change coordinate systems on an i-pad? I know nothing about them or how accurate they are. I have two mapping grade Trimble units that I use daily. A Juno unit (2-3m accuracy post processing) and a XH6000 unit (submeter accuracy post processing)

I don't think the file size is a problem, I just loaded the whole state so I don't have to worry about it. Not sure what you mean by manually changing coordinate systems. Accuracy is not that great, but think I have a few option to help improve that.



back country navigator lets you select the areas you want for offline routes instead of the whole state.

as far as file transfer, what is wrong with using wifi from the PC instead of SD card? (I'm expecing a typical Travis answer, don't let me down on this one)

A several hundred mile trail files isn't that big, any program worth $2.99 should handle GPX or KML, thats pretty much the standard. SD card should hold all of your travels unless you've got it sampling every meter.

Looking for a way to transfer in the field between the ipad and handheld, ie some type of sd card reader. I tried back country a couple years back, maybe ill revisit it now, but I didn't like it then. Motionx let's you select the area you want to store.

[robertf03]

if your hand held supports NEMA 0183 out you SHOULD be able to bluetooth it and dump trails to the chart plotting software on the fly, but that also depends on the author of the chart plotting software enabling more than just the position and heading portions of the standard. The cheaper the chart plotter the less likely they are to follow and enable all of the standards.

I think OrucMaps and iRegatta support it, but I don't know if those are available for ios and haven't tried it first hand.

It may also require a lot of serial to bluetooth adapters depending on the handheld gps.

I use this http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_11151_10001_329411_-1?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=329411&cid=sc_googlepla&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CK2zua7y3LcCFYFhMgodHV8ADw

with some custom junk to make it bluetooth.

[BroncoJo]

I use a delorme pn40 for the bike. I'm not quite following, but are you suggesting using a Bluetooth adapter for the delorme that could send information to my ipad? If so what kind of adapter would be compatable?

My simple plan: Use a bad elf chipset to improve GPS accuracy, should get to the 2-3 meter mark. Then for file transfers use my old android phone to email ( hot spot enabled ) the gpx file. I would like to find a card reader that would just upload the gpx file to the ipad ( I'm sure someone makes this ). My major concern is if the bad elf chipset plugged directly into the ipad will work, or if I need to mount something on top of the cab.

[robertf03]

I use a delorme pn40 for the bike. I'm not quite following, but are you suggesting using a Bluetooth adapter for the delorme that could send information to my ipad? If so what kind of adapter would be compatable?

thats exactly what I'm saying, but it looks like the pn-40 can't do that. The pn-20 should.


My simple plan: Use a bad elf chipset to improve GPS accuracy, should get to the 2-3 meter mark. Then for file transfers use my old android phone to email ( hot spot enabled ) the gpx file. I would like to find a card reader that would just upload the gpx file to the ipad ( I'm sure someone makes this ). My major concern is if the bad elf chipset plugged directly into the ipad will work, or if I need to mount something on top of the cab.

similar to what I'm doing. I say scrap the bad elf plan and get a marine multi channel gps like the 16hvs or any of the dirt cheap lowrances that are on ebay and plug the serial port in to a blue tooth adapter like this one http://www.nordfield.com/wireless-serial-rs232-bluetooth-adapter . Anything with NMEA 0183 output @ 4800 bps will work. You may have to go to a good electronics place like Altex to get the stuff to convert the gps plug to 9 pin

[BroncoJo]

Scrap the bad elf idea because it's not a good multi channel GPS receiver, or other reasons? Personally I would rather sacrifice a small amount of accuracy for simplicity.

[robertf03]

Future proof. Once its setup all you'll have to do is pair a new device if the ipad goes missing or breaks. That 16 HVS finds position in less than 2 seconds after power up even when it was on my downtown balcony. The ipod touch and android take a while to synch in the same position and jump around a lot, and the garmin etrex hand held takes a few minutes to synch there also.

[BroncoJo]

Ah for use with multiple tablets. I'm on the fence, it's sub $100 for the elf and probably $200 for your route ( that was a quick price look ). I lean towards the elf due to simplicity and a recommendation from a pilot, but either way it will probably take me a little while to get my set up going.

Any suggestions on iPad truck mounts? I would go with the ram mount but the heavy duty ones get expensive and bulky quick, and I'm afraid the light duty stuff won't hold up.

[BroncoJo]

Light duty option

http://www.rammount.com/CatalogResults/PartDetails/tabid/63/partid/082065077045066045051049054045049045084065066051/Default.aspx

Heavy duty
http://www.rammount.com/CatalogResults/PartDetails/tabid/63/partid/082065077045072079076045084065066049055085/Default.aspx

http://www.rammount.com/CatalogResults/PartDetails/tabid/63/partid/082065077045086066045049048052/Default.aspx

http://www.rammount.com/CatalogResults/PartDetails/tabid/63/partid/082065077045086080045083087049045056057/Default.aspx

I'm sure I could by with out the middle link, but I'll probably try to figure out a way to use a small mount attached to the dash or console

[robertf03]

I bought the cheapest generic mount amazon sold. The suction cup works, the rest of it is so so. A galaxy 7" tablet is too narrow to work without a case, and you have to squeeze it before latching to keep it from rattling. I wish I would have gone with the ram spring x shaped generic clamp.


http://www.flemcodesign.com/pics/ktrail/k-trail2.jpg

[Sparling]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832NIY3twvM

[Sparling]

http://9w2rut.blogspot.com/2009/09/garmin-gps-16hvs.html?m=1

So rewire the garmin with db9 connector, plug into Bluetooth adapter and the hardware portion is good to go?

[robertf03]

Yea, 2 of the pins are power so youll have to split that from the db9. You can get rj45 to db9 adapters from altex for around 4 bucks.

[BroncoJo]

So after the last 4 days of my AC kicking ass it has completely given up.... I'm guessing a total overhaul is due but I think I will try to vacuum out the lines and fill with new coolant first.

[BroncoJo]

****ing apple, I swear I was just about to jump on the bandwagon and their ****ing dumb ass, limp wristed, **** packing software designers decided to not send power to the only ****ing connection on the iPad with their new iOS. I now have a card reader and USB adapter that can only read 8 letter long files in a non power needing dcim folder. ****.

In other news, amazons has on sale the contour roam camera for $100. 60 fps @ 720p with a real world 3-4 hour battery life. Srsly it like blows the gopros out of the water, k bye.

[Sparling]

So android? I went to best buy tonight to play with the android mini tablets. I didn't really like any of them except for the samsung 8" note or whatever but it didn't have much storage. I have never liked apple stuff

[BroncoJo]

Well, I bought my mom a ****ing $700 60- whatever gig ipad for Christmas. After trying to teach her to use it for 6 months I decided to get one for my self. It seriously kicks the androids ****s ass, until you get to some of the queer iPads ****. With jail breaking, or whatever the **** they call it, you can still do all the kick ass **** plus more, but you do lose the stupid friendly user billy that apple pride itself for.

I'm on the fence wether apple is the way to go but, PC tablets are definitely better than then stand alone GPS's or laptops or desk tops, unless you are still using inventor to design your pos roll-cages that you will never make anyways.

[Sparling]

I'm on the fence wether apple is the way to go but, PC tablets are definitely better than then stand alone GPS's or laptops or desk tops, unless you are still using inventor to design your pos roll-cages that you will never make anyways.

So if you are building cages in inventor, stand alone GPS units are better? Maybe I should just sell my ****, then I wouldn't have to wrench on my rig.

[robertf03]

I think pc magazine said the same thing

[BroncoJo]

So if you are building cages in inventor, stand alone GPS units are better? Maybe I should just sell my ****, then I wouldn't have to wrench on my rig.


Ya, that's about the best way to explain it. An iPad is just an overpriced tablet unless you are a run-a-of-mill person, who is pleased with the App Store, looking for a dumbed down tablet. It does 98% of the **** I want to do very easy and efficiently, but the other 2% is frustrating. I'm happy with it, mainly because I feel like AT&T is apple biassed and apple products get like some sort of priority with the cell towers.

[BroncoJo]

A small gripe is that you have to use an iPad charger to charge the dang thing, not that big of deal because the battery kicks ass.

[TdmayfieldIV]

You have to use an iPad charger to charge the iPad!?! Holy ****! That's just ridiculous. **** Steve jobs.

[BroncoJo]

Yep, now my 14 iPhone chargers will have to get replaced with the more expensive version.

[colman]

thay make an adapter

[BroncoJo]

thay make an adapter

It's the amperage

[bburris]

Your phone charger will still charge it, just not as quickly.

[BroncoJo]

The apple brand phone chargers can't quite keep up when running the GPS stuff

[StevenAg03]

Well, I bought my mom a ****ing $700 60- whatever gig ipad for Christmas. After trying to teach her to use it for 6 months I decided to get one for my self. It seriously kicks the androids ****s ass, until you get to some of the queer iPads ****. With jail breaking, or whatever the **** they call it, you can still do all the kick ass **** plus more, but you do lose the stupid friendly user billy that apple pride itself for.

I'm on the fence wether apple is the way to go but, PC tablets are definitely better than then stand alone GPS's or laptops or desk tops, unless you are still using inventor to design your pos roll-cages that you will never make anyways.

Is Billy some kind of beta tester? Why does Apple have so much pride in him?

[BroncoJo]

Billy the beta tester

[stx4wheeler]

Dammit apparently my phone accidentiy logged onto pc fag.com...















:flipoff2:

[BroncoJo]

The beach turned pretty bad yesterday evening (someone was at the entrance turning 2wd vehicles around, which I've never seen) and the e fans couldn't keep up. I never had to stop and let it cool but did reach about 215 on the temp. Honestly I'm not sure if the mechanical would have been much better so I still want to make the e-fans work, however I'm not sure on how they can be improved.

[AggieTJ2007]

215 is not bad

[BroncoJo]

215 is not bad


215 is my guesstimate with the factory gauge, I wasn't that worried but anytime the needle moves on a factory gauge my concern rises.

[mudtoy67]

Those fans were supposed to pull comparable CFM to the stock fan right? When was the last time you cleaned your radiator? With all the wheeling and sand it may be a little blocked up from dust. Try blowing it out with air and see if much dust comes out.

[BroncoJo]

I'm sure a good cleaning is needed, never really thought about it

[BroncoJo]

So I put the thermoprobe-dill on for the variable control and it now stays on after you turn the key off... What a ****ing bummer, but I'll look into when its not raining. Also the radiators could definitely use a cleaning.

[Seth]

dill? pickle?

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Can you not put the power to the fans on a relay controlled with the key? What controller are they using now and does the thermocouple just slide into the radiator ribs?

[BroncoJo]

Can you not put the power to the fans on a relay controlled with the key? What controller are they using now and does the thermocouple just slide into the radiator ribs?

The relay wire is powered only with the key... I'll have to investigate more later. And yes, I put it close to where the hot water dumps into the radiator.

[BroncoJo]

I finally got a chance to sneak away for a little while and couldn't resist a couple poser shots. Surprisingly the truck is still holding together, I just hit the 75,000 mile mark on all my suspension work.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/c8aadb2ad8997542d7b6b41857f5c296_zpsb09446cf.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/fa2ab0b965d9c8dd7e7394b935e58bc7_zps4486217e.jpg

[Sparling]

How are the rod ends on your Carli arms holding up? Do they have any slop in them?

[BroncoJo]

How are the rod ends on your Carli arms holding up? Do they have any slop in them?

I don't know, last time I greased them they were good.

[BroncoJo]

Diesel rice!

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/ce6774924bc2cddd2c9a19ae58dfce09_zps3b024726.jpg

Going to replace my chrome peeled spray bombed grill, and hopefully fix the ac soon. I never drive it anymore so I'm thinking if I can ever find another workshop stage 3 may be coming up.

[Sparling]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/desert-racing/485885d1260411444-baja-trophy-truck-brenthel-industries-3a-trailing-arm.jpg

http://www.kingshocks.com/wp-content/uploads/product/performance-coilover-image.png

http://www.hardworkingtrucks.com/files/2013/10/092513-thumbnails-5169.jpg

http://dieselblog.careercollege-programs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/smoke1.jpg


Stage 3???????

[BroncoJo]

You forgot the triple bypasses...

[BroncoJo]

Honestly I need a new drivers seat and my window motor switch panel is loose so I think it would be a perfect time to add a bunch of tube and some sweet racing seats

[Sparling]

http://sxsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/King_45bypass_001.jpg

Mo betta

[Sparling]

Honestly I need a new drivers seat and my window motor switch panel is loose so I think it would be a perfect time to add a bunch of tube and some sweet racing seats

That escalated quickly. What are you going to do about the fuel tank? It's in the way for upper links.

[BroncoJo]

That escalated quickly. What are you going to do about the fuel tank? It's in the way for upper links.

In between/above the frame rails, I want at least a 60 gallon capacity.

[Sparling]

Have you played with a 4 link calculator?

[BroncoJo]

Have you played with a 4 link calculator?


I'm not dead certain about 4 link, if I can get 15-20 inches out of leafs I might stick with them. I want to long arm the front, cage, seats, build more function (fuel, tools, dirtbike storage), beef up the axles and run 40's.

[BroncoJo]

And a new transmission and efi live

[Sharpe]

Why not take this turd to TCC?

[BroncoJo]

Why not take this turd to TCC?

It doesn't get driven much because it needs some work, it's not had an easy life in matagorda county. We'll see if I can get anytime off before then to get it up to long trip status.

[BroncoJo]

This is a go fast diesel, not rock crawling diesel. :flipoff2:

[Sparling]

Why not both? KOH diesel.

[BroncoJo]

Why not both? KOH diesel.

That's stage 3, I'm only at stage 2.

[Sparling]

Money spent on leafs is kinda wasted I feel if you're ever going to go 4 linked in the rear. Leafs alone are at least 800 for the pair if you're buying long travel shocks and then long travel shocks are several hundred more. Used coilovers and links really isn't that bad. I feel this is even more important if you want to cage it, then you can tie your upper coilover mounts can tie into that.

[Sparling]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h77/mustube/c0d32067-4e07-4c1e-8130-f37c69862608.jpg

[BroncoJo]

Money spent on leafs is kinda wasted I feel if you're ever going to go 4 linked in the rear. Leafs alone are at least 800 for the pair if you're buying long travel shocks and then long travel shocks are several hundred more. Used coilovers and links really isn't that bad. I feel this is even more important if you want to cage it, then you can tie your upper coilover mounts can tie into that.

My deavers are still in good shape and I think with some longer shackles I can get 15+ inches of travel! not sure though. I would like stability and simplicity of leafs. Whatever set-up still needs to be able to tow ( at least one vehicle ).

[TdmayfieldIV]

kings brah

[BroncoJo]

So the Chinese ac parts already took a Karl. I'm replacing them with mopar parts from wholesalemopar.com (a dealer out of Florida ). This place got me a better deal on the compressor, liquid line, and accumulator shipped than the cheapest place in houston ( river oaks dodge ) quoted me for just the compressor.

Also I'm going to add a 16 pusher fan on the condenser to help with slow speeds/city and to take some load of the big fans. ( and some extra security incase my other fans decide to Karl)

Link to fan:
http://www.amazon.com/Flex-lite-116-Trimline-reversible/dp/B00029J3UC

[BroncoJo]

Sold.... To my cousin....

[sam_hodnett]

Dislike. Did you ever find the key? :flipoff2:

[BroncoJo]

It's in a better place now....

[breckboarder55]

Noooooo. Loved that thing.

Now what?

[Sharpe]

Honda Civic??

[BroncoJo]

Probably a boat...

I've had countless offers on this truck but sold it to my cousin because he will fix it and keep it around (potential buy-back). So far he has fixed the AC, sandblasted the front bumper, and spent ~20 hours wire-wheeling and painting the underside. Two years in Matagorda county was not very nice to the truck...