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sam_hodnett
12-19-2011, 06:43 PM
Ok, driving the FJ this weekend got the itch going in me to build a rig.

I am going to do something out of the box as far as this club goes and build it right the first time.

What I am thinking

Buy an old extended cab 2wd toyota that has as many miles as possible on it for cheap

Then I am planning on this
5.3l vortec, automatic transmission, and either a stack or atlas.

for axles I am thinking a 14 bolt and a 60, or maybe some spider 9s, but this is not likely
5.13 gears, or maybe 4.56

Suspension.
This is where I am REALLY not sure. I want to do a double triangulated 4 link rear and a 3 link with track bar front, on coilovers or air shocks
In all likely hood I will just do leaf springs

42" pitbull rockers or IROKs on recentered H1s

I am going to need a lot of help coming up with ideas on this, and any ideas or suggestions are extremely welcome

This is going to take a long damn time to do. I know that and dont want to change my mind. I want something done right the first time that I can rely on and is capable. I see no reason to buy something that sucks and spend all of my time working on it on the trail and be wary to spend the money to get it on a trip and then have it break down.

BroncoJo
12-19-2011, 06:51 PM
:laughing: Are you on crack?

TdmayfieldIV
12-19-2011, 06:52 PM
So.....who is going to do this for you? We all know you'll give up when you get a dead battery.

FJAggie07
12-19-2011, 07:00 PM
Ok, driving the FJ this weekend got the itch going in me to build a rig.

I am going to do something out of the box as far as this club goes and build it right the first time.

What I am thinking

Buy an old extended cab 2wd toyota that has as many miles as possible on it for cheap

Then I am planning on this
5.3l vortec, automatic transmission, and either a stack or atlas.

for axles I am thinking a 14 bolt and a 60, or maybe some spider 9s, but this is not likely
5.13 gears, or maybe 4.56

Suspension.
This is where I am REALLY not sure. I want to do a double triangulated 4 link rear and a 3 link with track bar front, on coilovers or air shocks
In all likely hood I will just do leaf springs

42" pitbull rockers or IROKs on recentered H1s

I am going to need a lot of help coming up with ideas on this, and any ideas or suggestions are extremely welcome

This is going to take a long damn time to do. I know that and dont want to change my mind. I want something done right the first time that I can rely on and is capable. I see no reason to buy something that sucks and spend all of my time working on it on the trail and be wary to spend the money to get it on a trip and then have it break down.

This is a great dream and sounds like a badass trail vehicle. That being said I kind of agree with Travis.

If you want something reliable, but not as pretty of parts by Fugly from my Dad. Damn thing never breaks, has 39.5's on beadlocks, hopped up Tree Fifty and a great crawl ratio with the SM420. Makes a good trail machine. Just a thought.

sam_hodnett
12-19-2011, 07:08 PM
Ill get it done, it will probably be after college... I knew this was going to happen.

Sparling
12-19-2011, 07:11 PM
Find one and wheel it like it is for a bit. At least until after college. It'll be way too demotivating to build it all with no budget.

robertf03
12-19-2011, 08:08 PM
Comments on re-gearing your axles:
1) Open Microsoft Excel
2) Put cost of gear, master install kits, and labor to install in columns
3) Use the =sum() function and see how much it costs.

I think you will crap a brick when you see how much re-gearing costs as opposed to buying a $900 set of 1-tons with 4.11 already in them.


you probably won't have enough time or money before you get out of school to do this, and why start with a toyota and throw most of it away? Fellers did that a few years back to that 4 runner, seemed kind of dumb.

sam_hodnett
12-19-2011, 08:12 PM
I know it will be after school when i get this done

I know, but what would i start with that I would not throw a bunch of it away?

Busa
12-19-2011, 08:19 PM
Go get a loan an buy my jeep.

heathermcc
12-19-2011, 08:21 PM
Go get a loan an buy my jeep.

how much do you want for it?

Busa
12-19-2011, 08:33 PM
As it sits $13000

92 YJ
Stock 4.0
TStock AX15
Atlas 5.0 with 32spl out front 32spl out rear, 1350 yoke front 1350 flange rear
17 X 9 (6 on 5.5) Mickey Thompson classic II with OMF bead locks
40" BFG Krawlers
Rubicon Express 1" leaf spring, Sprung over 1" body lift, Bilstein 12” 7100 and Bilstein 10” 7100 shocks
Spider 9" housing with Dana 60 outers, Axle shafts are 35 spline inner and outer 4340 Moser shafts
Ford 9" with 35 spline Dutchman 4340 shafts and disk brakes
Both axles have Strange Nodular Iron third member, Daytona pinion supports, 35 spline Detroit’s and 5.13 gears
PSC full hydro steering 2.25 double ended ram
Warn 8000pd winch
Onboard air with tank
Low profile Aluminum gas tank that is under the jeep
Custom Roll cage
Race trim seats with 4point harnesses
Custom tube fenders
1" motor lift and a flat skid plate
1350 front and 1350 CV rear drive shafts
Custom Rockslides and corner guards
Flat belly
Custom front and rear bumpers
Wheel base stretched 7.5” 102ish
Good heater
New AC system

Seth
12-19-2011, 09:08 PM
Ok, driving the FJ this weekend got the itch going in me to build a rig.

I am going to do something out of the box as far as this club goes and build it right the first time.

What I am thinking

Buy an old extended cab 2wd toyota that has as many miles as possible on it for cheap

Then I am planning on this
5.3l vortec, automatic transmission, and either a stack or atlas.

for axles I am thinking a 14 bolt and a 60, or maybe some spider 9s, but this is not likely
5.13 gears, or maybe 4.56

Suspension.
This is where I am REALLY not sure. I want to do a double triangulated 4 link rear and a 3 link with track bar front, on coilovers or air shocks
In all likely hood I will just do leaf springs

42" pitbull rockers or IROKs on recentered H1s

I am going to need a lot of help coming up with ideas on this, and any ideas or suggestions are extremely welcome

This is going to take a long damn time to do. I know that and dont want to change my mind. I want something done right the first time that I can rely on and is capable. I see no reason to buy something that sucks and spend all of my time working on it on the trail and be wary to spend the money to get it on a trip and then have it break down.

You can build a badass rig with a lot less money than what you are talking, and still upgrade in the future.

Examples:

run a 350 with TBI

Run CUCV axles with stock 4.56 or find one tons with 4.10s - you get plenty of gearing out of the transfer case

Standard trans is tempting for low granny gear, cheap rebuild, and durability. worst case, run the th400 out of the cucv you buy.

Don't bother recentering the wheels - or just run skinny stockers - works for kopecki

run leafs, you can link it later and dont lose much. also leafs are very cabable and cheap.

run 60/14 - shave the lip.

I am more and more impressed by swamper tsl's. unimpressed by iroks. pitbull, maxxis, and pretty much anything else i'm not sure about.

This is all assuming you are running a trailer rig to drive on rock trails.

OBA off of a york seems to be the superior setup to me.

simple cage, simple sliders if any, body you dont care about, dependable guages, fuel cell, seats, harnesses, storage, antiwrap bars, 0 degree plus approach and departure, good winch, high steer with hydro assist, quiet muffler, four tow points, belly skid (pref flat), passenger oh **** handle, maybe a temp windshield (plex or lexan?)

So buy a parts truck or trucks to get your drivetrain, and scrap the leftovers, That leaves a trans case/doubler as your biggest ticket.

Weld diffs, run cheap slugs, throw some tunes in (maybe)

Good simple CB.

Now if you want something that is more streetable, that throws alot of this out the window, especially tires and welded diffs.

sam_hodnett
12-19-2011, 09:37 PM
I would love to buy your jeep busa, but there is absolutely no possible way that i could afford that and I really dont want to take out a loan for a rig

Busa
12-19-2011, 09:43 PM
Just a thought

Shaggy
12-19-2011, 09:46 PM
13k goes really fast when building something. But there are plenty of nicely built rigs out there in the 10k range. People just can't afford this hobby.

robertf03
12-19-2011, 09:46 PM
here, http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/2694374854.html then buy all my old **** and put 32s on it.

Busa
12-19-2011, 10:14 PM
I will go 11k and I keep my tires and wheels.

eight
12-19-2011, 11:09 PM
You will not build what you want cheaper than you can buy it already done. I was going to suggest buying Busa's jeep, but not sure how long until you graduate.

Like Tate said, there are plenty of good rigs for sale for 10 and under. Instead of taking 2 years and $20k to build a rig worth $10k you could just save money for a year and buy it.

If you're set on building your own, build one just like Busa's. Just don't keep track of the cost. A 4.0 YJ is a dam good place to start.

Sharpe
12-19-2011, 11:19 PM
Clone the hippy's toyota. Cheapest you'll get into something reliable. I like Jason's (besides the colors :flipoff2:) but the V8 swap was the first step down a long dark path

sam_hodnett
12-19-2011, 11:22 PM
i know that I couldnt build one for cheaper than I could buy, but I was gonna build as I could afford. I have 3 semesters till I graduate

sam_hodnett
12-19-2011, 11:26 PM
My original idea was to buy Rodneys toyota, but Busa told me this weekend that he sold it.

Hot Pocket
12-20-2011, 12:25 AM
This thread brings the funny! :flipoff2:

davido
12-20-2011, 12:46 AM
Clone the hippy's toyota. Cheapest you'll get into something reliable. I like Jason's (besides the colors :flipoff2:) but the V8 swap was the first step down a long dark path

Both.


My original idea was to buy Rodneys toyota, but Busa told me this weekend that he sold it.

That sucks. It would have been perfect. I was thinking about it as a family wheeler starting point. But then I realized even a conversion was beyond my attention span right now. :D

jasonjuch
12-20-2011, 12:29 PM
I don't keep good track of what I have in my toyota but to give you kind of an idea not including the random fasteners and trips to the metal place.
the way i see it you can build a toyota like mine for less than 4,000, i wasted some money on the rims off the bat and if you can find a cheap running one even better

$900 non-running 85 toyota regular cab
$600 used 305 on propane with 3 tanks
$500 for the chevy engine to toyota manual 5 speed transmission adapter and parts
$100 to assemble some clutch parts
$1200 for recentered double beadlock h1's with all the extra goodies and H1 tires... you could go a cheaper used rim and tire route.
$40 for chevy 63" rear leaf springs
rear up front front leaf packs made from your stock old rear springs and another free set.
$400 for 4.7 tcase gears
weld the rear axle
$120 for cheap shocks
------------
$3860
i know i forgot some things and i know i have spent way more than this but i did stupid things,, dont buy a brand new radiator, dont buy custom hummer rims, use the stock steelies with used tires.

on my radiator build i probably dropped another $400
the engine swap probably cost me a **** ton

the only problems my toyota has had are radiator lines leaking from the rear mounted set up and my battery died a few times from the cables having old unlcean connections.. its cool though that with the toyotas you can buy cheap 4 link set ups and 3 links and whataver you want down the road..

P.S.-- dont run cheap aluminum lift blocks haha

jasonjuch
12-20-2011, 12:33 PM
fyi. theres a toyota on texas4x4 right now for $500, their not that bad. If you get one any time soon I have enough 22re parts in my garage for you to rebuild your own fresh 22re

mudtoy67
12-20-2011, 12:39 PM
One word: Cherokee. I mean...look how cool I am! :flipoff2:

jasonjuch
12-20-2011, 01:13 PM
One word: Cherokee. I mean...look how cool I am! :flipoff2:

Jeff conquered all the trails he wanted to with his Cherokee and a winch and road tires.. then drove to freakin colorado haha

KrazyKarl02
12-20-2011, 01:31 PM
Cherokee, just don't go over 35's on the tire size. BDR's will soon explode when he puts the awesomeness that is 37's on it...

sam_hodnett
12-20-2011, 08:40 PM
Sexy

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1023127

BroncoJo
12-20-2011, 08:56 PM
Can we change the title of this thread to "Rigs Sam will never have" :flipoff2:

KrazyKarl02
12-20-2011, 09:17 PM
Just copy and paste all this crap into Krebs' Kernal thread...

sam_hodnett
12-20-2011, 09:24 PM
Can we change the title of this thread to "Rigs Sam will never have" :flipoff2:

sounds like a pretty fitting title

stx4wheeler
12-20-2011, 10:05 PM
http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=41196

Just saying, trade him your AR and some benjamins and go wheeling. Might even tow behind the colorado.

jasonjuch
12-20-2011, 10:16 PM
http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=41196

Just saying, trade him your AR and some benjamins and go wheeling. Might even tow behind the colorado.

thats badass

BroncoJo
12-20-2011, 10:22 PM
*Rigs

Sharpe
12-20-2011, 10:53 PM
http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=41196

Just saying, trade him your AR and some benjamins and go wheeling. Might even tow behind the colorado.

This

sam_hodnett
12-20-2011, 11:19 PM
That truck is pretty awesome, but there is no way in hell that I would trade my AR. It is going to have to be literally pried from my cold dead fingers for me to give it up.

sam_hodnett
12-20-2011, 11:27 PM
On a side note, when the rear end exploded it blew my transmission. **** this truck, I am ghosting that bitch into the river

Fredo
12-20-2011, 11:44 PM
So once again I ask: How big of a burnout cloud was there when it went?:flipoff2:

BroncoJo
12-20-2011, 11:59 PM
So once again I ask: How big of a burnout cloud was there when it went?:flipoff2:

If only that were the case

sam_hodnett
12-21-2011, 08:43 AM
The colorado is unable to perform a burnout except in the pouring rain

davido
12-21-2011, 10:21 AM
There were a lot of very capable Toyota pickups in the club back in the early days. Some of the most capable rigs for the money. $3k is seriously cheap! I'd remove doors and roof, extend cage, and wheel the piss out of it for the next three (to ten) years while you build your unicorn rig. You can also flat tow it a la Shipman style for a few years.

If you think it will be less than three years before you're done, you're already lying to yourself. :D

sam_hodnett
12-21-2011, 01:34 PM
There were a lot of very capable Toyota pickups in the club back in the early days. Some of the most capable rigs for the money. $3k is seriously cheap! I'd remove doors and roof, extend cage, and wheel the piss out of it for the next three (to ten) years while you build your unicorn rig. You can also flat tow it a la Shipman style for a few years.

If you think it will be less than three years before you're done, you're already lying to yourself. :D

If I had 3 grand right now I would buy it in a second, and then build up my unicorn like you said, but I dont

RCcola55
12-21-2011, 08:14 PM
You can always build another ar.

JB
12-22-2011, 06:13 PM
http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=41325

sam_hodnett
12-22-2011, 07:29 PM
That thing is pretty ****ing sweet, but I still dont have 3 grand, and I think I like the other one better

sam_hodnett
12-22-2011, 08:15 PM
I PM'd the guy with the yota truck, we will see what happens, I now have my dad kinda on board

BroncoJo
12-22-2011, 10:32 PM
That four runner looks nicer to me.

JB
12-22-2011, 10:43 PM
look through all 6 pages. I think its a deal at 3k, buts its still a 3k rig.

stx4wheeler
12-23-2011, 12:13 AM
That four runner looks nicer to me.

The 4 runner will need gears horribly to wheel since it's all stock. Also, that guy has gotten into one or two major problems($ being owed) when selling or working on others trucks on the site. He also buys and sells rigs like Eckert does and doesn't keep anything for more than a month or so.

The black truck is very wheelable as is.

BroncoJo
12-23-2011, 12:27 AM
The 4 runner will need gears horribly to wheel since it's all stock. Also, that guy has gotten into one or two major problems($ being owed) when selling or working on others trucks on the site. He also buys and sells rigs like Eckert does and doesn't keep anything for more than a month or so.

The black truck is very wheelable as is.

Gear were the only hold up I saw, did not know about the rest.

sam_hodnett
12-23-2011, 02:15 AM
The thing about the other truck is that he is willing to trade for guns.

Also, I just like the truck better

Kyle.
12-23-2011, 02:54 PM
Hope you find a solid rig sam, i was damn impressed with Jason's Yota. I'm always down for some wrenching if you get one

JB
12-23-2011, 06:56 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=842056&page=2

I know its more than you want to spend, but this seems like a good deal on a RRDH rig.

sam_hodnett
12-23-2011, 07:27 PM
Little bit too much, and it is in Iowa

stx4wheeler
12-23-2011, 10:16 PM
Sam if you get really serious about buying it I could possibly gobtake a look at it to make sure it isn't a total pile.

sam_hodnett
12-23-2011, 11:15 PM
Sam if you get really serious about buying it I could possibly gobtake a look at it to make sure it isn't a total pile.

Ill give you a call, because I would really like to get some eyes on it before I go a whole lot farther into this.

davido
12-25-2011, 06:51 PM
Starting point. Cut the roof off and build a cage.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1029203

robertf03
12-29-2011, 11:12 PM
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/2774446510.html

sam_hodnett
12-30-2011, 12:30 PM
I am not going to get a land rover

robertf03
12-30-2011, 01:57 PM
Sam I don't believe you are going to get anything, but if you did it should have an efi v8, solid axles, ladder frame, coil suspension, good low range, and weatherband.

sam_hodnett
12-30-2011, 03:09 PM
I dont believe I will get anything either, but I couldnt pull off a land rover like you

Sparling
12-30-2011, 03:09 PM
You don't have to pull it off. Just wheel the piss out of it. It's cheap.

Sharpe
12-30-2011, 03:37 PM
I dont believe I will get anything either, but I couldnt pull off a land rover like you

Its not that hard, all you have to do is wear khaki and talk down to people.:flipoff2:

robertf03
12-30-2011, 04:02 PM
pretty much

sam you can have all my old springs and tires and **** if you buy this, no one else wants them.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/2774111294.html

sam_hodnett
01-14-2012, 07:24 PM
I dont know why I am posting this, cause I have no money, but the forums are boring and this is a rig like I want

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1036274