On board air

[Shaggy]

The Tate Jeep needs air.

I have looked around a lot and still don't know what I want.

What is the best all around setup?

York
Electric
portable
With or without air tank

[Shaggy]

how long would a CO2 tank last?

[BroncoJo]

how long would a CO2 tank last?

What do you want to do with the air?

[TexTJ209]

I loved my York. Doesn't take up any cargo space, powerful enough to run basic air tools.

[bcolman]

If you have space I would install a small air tank, this will make seating a de-beaded tire easier, I had an A/C compressor with small tank on the blazer and it was great

That being said for my next rig I plan to go with a CO2 tank.

[KrazyKarl02]

If you can mount a york to your engine, that is the best way to go. If not, in my opinion a Viair electric compressor is. I am just not fond of having to mess with a CO2 tank. Either way I would put a small gallonor 2 air tank somewhere. If you go with Viair watch the duty cycle, the cheapest one seems pretty crappy.

[robertf03]

**** co2 tanks. It's not like a jeep has a lot of room for that stuff anyway.

york or don't bother. You saw how painful it was for the ARB to fill that tire, and its the 2nd best one they sell.

There isn't some secret voodoo that viar knows and ARB doesn't.

[Sparling]

Viair has compressors with 100% duty cycle. Unless someone sells a bolt on kit for a york, that's your best bet. Evan had 2 of the viair compressors with 100% duty cycle on his old truck with like a 3 gallon tank and he said he liked it.

[Shaggy]

Those Viair compressers get way up there in price. I am sure you get what you pay for. I'm sure putting a York wouldn't be that hard, thousands of other people have put them on the same setup. I am sure I can find some space for a small air tank somewhere too. Is there a specific York that I need to look for? Any write ups with parts lists on putting one on a TJ?

[85cj7]

I have a 10lb co2 tank and like it alot. I fill it up about twice a year. It'll run air tools for a fix or two back at camp and will fill a 37x12.5x17 tire from 0 to 20 psi about 20 times on a single bottle. The total set up cost about $250 but you could scrounge one together for much less. It costs about $25 to fill it each time.

It has it's inherent weaknesses, ie. being empty when you need it, being heavy, not being free for refills. But for the odd time I use it and for the ability to shoot a ton or psi and volume out to reseat a bead, I like it.


Here is a chart that will tell you how many tires it'll fill on a single tank and weight/psi.
http://powertank.com/charts.specs

[robertf03]

you know onboardair.com has a bolt up kit for the york.

[TexTJ209]

I built a york bracket in my high school shop class for a 4.0L. If you can't do it, you should probably take up knitting.

Either buy Kilby's kit (onboardair.com) if you're feeling lazy, or look at it, realize it's a small 1" spacer plate and another flat plate bracket with a 1" spacer welded to it that bolts up underneath your stock A/C compressor, and build it yourself. (With a cross bar support over the top of the A/C compressor if you wanna get fancy and be safe, mine never had one)

You will need Kilby's conversion pulley for your alternator to run the York if yours runs off of a v-belt.

[robertf03]

I built a york bracket in my high school shop class for a 4.0L. If you can't do it, you should probably take up knitting.


Or if knitting isn't your thing take up wheeling!

[Sparling]

You will need Kilby's conversion pulley for your alternator to run the York if yours runs off of a v-belt.

Conversion is fancy talk for give me your money.

http://www.truckerac.com/tcci-york-style-clutch-freightliner-kenworth.html

[JB]

As mentioned above, onboardair.com sells a bolt on TJ kit for around $1100. Comes with York, tank, brackets, fittings.

http://www.kilbystore.com/ke-1000-k.html

[TexTJ209]

Conversion is fancy talk for give me your money.

http://www.truckerac.com/tcci-york-style-clutch-freightliner-kenworth.html



Combo pulley is cheaper than that. But yeah, swapping clutches on a york is fairly simple too.

[JB]

When it comes to the duty cycle, is 100% better? Reading that it typically means less pressure, though it of course doesnt have to rest. I Would really only be using for tires and an impact while on trail.

[Sparling]

Looked quickly at a website and the cfm ratings go up with the duty cycle and model numbers. It looks like the high end pumps run 3.53 cfm at 0 psi for 2 pumps.
www.onboard-air.com/Dual-Compressor-Packs/
Does anyone have cfm ratings for a York?
Also I would rather have the York in my current serpentine belt system than put it on the side on a v belt.

[robertf03]

Looked quickly at a website and the cfm ratings go up with the duty cycle and model numbers. It looks like the high end pumps run 3.53 cfm at 0 psi for 2 pumps.
www.onboard-air.com/Dual-Compressor-Packs/
Does anyone have cfm ratings for a York?
Also I would rather have the York in my current serpentine belt system than put it on the side on a v belt.

No CFM rating because of variable RPM

this link has the displacements of the different model #s

http://www.worldaire.com/pdf/WorldaireCCI-YorkCompressors.pdf

[Sparling]

Kilby says the big york can do 4 cfm at 90 psi at 1200 rpm. You would need an Army of viair compressors to keep up with that.

http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/compressors.htm

[TexTJ209]

The york is a beast compared to the little electrics. York plus 2.5 gallon tank mounted underneath the body with quick hose disconnects at each bumper = win.

[JB]

So York 210 off ebay is $200, plus tank, fittings, etc. Probably $400-500 after piecing it all together? Sound right?

[Shaggy]

It can be done for that price if you don't mind putting in some extra work it seems. maybe a little cheaper if you find a York in a junk yard

[robertf03]

I need to get back to the bracket for mine. York mini 209

http://www.flemcodesign.com/pics/york.jpg

[KrazyKarl02]

Fred once ran the Brune's shop air with his truck off his york. If you can mount the york it is the best way. If you have money and don't want to dick with it, get a viair or something comprable.

Something to consider on the CO2 setup is not every welding store fills CO2, in Houston I have to drive past 3 or 4 welding stores to get to one that will fill/exchange CO2. Just seems like a hassle to me.

[Sharpe]

What's that off of Flem?

[robertf03]

BMW and a swapped pulley.

bought it from a guy on pirate

[eight]

The york on my dodge at idle is comparable to a 9cfm at 90 psi gas powered compressor. Not quite enough to blow out radiators without stopping for tank to build up. Hammer resting on the gas pedal fixes that though. I have about 15' of line between the pump and tank, regular air hose, that gets cooked and blows out. I think a hydraulic hose would hold up better, but dodge is retired now.