Ecoboost vs 5.0

[BroncoJo]

Does anyone have any experience or insight with either of the options in a new f-150? I'm in the market for a new truck and can't swing a raptor or diesel as I plan on keeping my dodge.

Fuel MPG is important-ish

My dad has a 2012 f-150 with a 5.0 and honestly I hate how sluggish it is and am leaning towards an ecoboost.

[bcolman]

if you sell the dodge can you swing the raptor? I don't see why you would need your baja diesel and a raptor.

[BroncoJo]

if you sell the dodge can you swing the raptor? I don't see why you would need your baja diesel and a raptor.

I like my dodge over the raptor, I'm buying a new truck to commute through Houston ( and yes it will still be 4x4 even though it's totally not needed ).

[Sparling]

Ricer much?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvvbm0ZwymQ

[FJAggie07]

Wife has the Ecoboost in an explorer sport - it boogies.

I had a 5.0 in a 2010 Mustang - it boogied.

I don't think you can go wrong honestly. I just got rid of my Raptor but it had an awesome interior with great features. If you get any of that interior I don't see how you could be disappointed. The new F-150's are good trucks.

[FJAggie07]

Ricer much?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvvbm0ZwymQ

Sounds like a turbo'd V6 with a fart can. I take back what I said get the 5.0. :D

[BroncoJo]

Being that they are both quiet from ford I don't care much about the exhaust tone. Also since when have turbo chargers sounded bad?

[FJAggie07]

Being that they are both quiet from ford I don't care much about the exhaust tone. Also since when have turbo chargers sounded bad?

Just a high note versus the deep note the 5.0 has. And yes in the racing scene a turbo'd V6, is not the best sounding thing out there. On the flip side a Turbo'd V10 is drop dead sexy.

[Sparling]

They don't sound bad with stock exhaust, you just wouldn't ever be able to put an aftermarket exhaust for it. Have you test driven an ecoboost?

[BroncoJo]

They don't sound bad with stock exhaust, you just wouldn't ever be able to put an aftermarket exhaust for it. Have you test driven an ecoboost?

Yes and that's the main reason I'm leaning towards one. What are some good points about the 5.0, besides exhaust?


Also it looks like exhaust, inter cooler, and tune will get you up to ~450hp and over 500 ftlbs. What would it take to get the 5.0 to those numbers?

[FJAggie07]

Yes and that's the main reason I'm leaning towards one. What are some good points about the 5.0, besides exhaust?


Also it looks like exhaust, inter cooler, and tune will get you up to ~450hp and over 500 ftlbs. What would it take to get the 5.0 to those numbers?

Whipple. Aren't the Ecoboost's still getting a premium over the 5.0's?

[BroncoJo]

Whipple. Aren't the Ecoboost's still getting a premium over the 5.0's?

Super charger sounds expensive.

Ford is making more ecoboost these days and the price is almost the exact same. Also I'm noticing a lot more used ecoboost which doesn't make me feel great either.

[Sparling]

If you want power, go with the ecoboost. If you want a solid truck that won't ever have turbo or turbo related problems get the 5.0. A 5.0 with a supercharger kit when the warranty is up would be the way I went if I had to be in a non raptor f150.

[robertf03]

why a second pickup?

I've heard from some friends with the ecoboost that once a trailer is hooked up the mileage goes to single digits. May just be the way they drive and probably not a concern since you have a diesel.

[FJAggie07]

Intake, Tune and Intercooler would be what $1500? Throw in downpipe and exhaust and you are over $3000? That is definitely less that a supercharger, but that instant torque from a supercharger is hard to beat...

I really don't think you can go wrong either way.

[FJAggie07]

Intake, Tune and Intercooler would be what $1500? Throw in downpipe and exhaust and you are over $3000? That is definitely less that a supercharger, but that instant torque from a supercharger is hard to beat...

I really don't think you can go wrong either way.

[Sparling]

The ecoboost only makes 5 more horsepower stock and to get more from the ecoboost you have to sound like a ricer. You'd be surprised what a tune only can do.

[robertf03]

The ecoboost only makes 5 more horsepower stock and to get more from the ecoboost you have to sound like a ricer. You'd be surprised what a tune only can do.

it bumps up the waste pressure, right? not that surprising ;)

[BroncoJo]

The ecoboost only makes 5 more horsepower stock and to get more from the ecoboost you have to sound like a ricer. You'd be surprised what a tune only can do.

Be surprised what a tuned 5.0 can do?


This second truck would be required for a potential new job

[Sharpe]

I have a 13 F150 4x4 with 5.0L. If you think it's sluggish then owning a truck isn't for you. Hauls enough ass that I never think about it and gets 15 mpg around town with a ****load of idling at work and 17.5 mpg highway doing 80-85. I've had it for 7 months with 20k on it so far. I decided against the ecoboost because it was $2k more and seems like a gimmick to me. Plus it's more parts to break after the warranty expires. I like simple on a DD.

[Sparling]

it bumps up the waste pressure, right? not that surprising ;)
Tuned 5.0.

[BroncoJo]

I have a 13 F150 4x4 with 5.0L. If you think it's sluggish then owning a truck isn't for you. Hauls enough ass that I never think about it and gets 15 mpg around town with a ****load of idling at work and 17.5 mpg highway doing 80-85. I've had it for 7 months with 20k on it so far. I decided against the ecoboost because it was $2k more and seems like a gimmick to me. Plus it's more parts to break after the warranty expires. I like simple on a DD.

Ya a 3/4 ton that gets the same or better mpg you describe with 37's and can do long smokey burn outs has me spoiled.

[Sparling]

So get another diesel, that's what you are wanting. You'll never get that torque from a gas half ton pick up. Go find a dealer with 14s on the lot and bargain.

[FJAggie07]

How about one of those 14 "tradesman" crew cab dodges with the cummins? They have $4000 in customer cash right now and that should put you at ~$10k off sticker. Is that in your ballpark?

[JB]

Neither is going to get the mileage you are expecting, in Houston, driving like an asshole.

They are both solid options.

Saw my first Ram 1500 ecodiesel yesterday. Looked like normal boring Dodge, sounded lame. Curious how those turn out and the MPGs they claim.

[TMatheaus]

I got an '11 with the 5.0, runs great for me. When I was looking, I made sure I found one with 3.73's. Seemed to make a large difference. I get about the same milage as Sharpe, but with a leveling kit and next step up in tire size. If you want to look at performance options, look up 5star tuning.

[BroncoJo]

I drove a ram ecodiesel and was impressed, but I doubt the mpg gains will actually make up for the price difference and the ford has a more comfortable cab. If the ecodiesel was a 4 cylinder cummins I would probably go that route though...

What kind of mileage am I expecting jb?

When do y'all think the 2015 fords will come out?

Tommy - I'm going to look into that tuning.

[KrazyKarl02]

I guess you are totally against a chevy? The ability to get power from an LS motor is shown in how many buggies and vehicles get LS Swaps. When was the last time you saw an Eco-Boost aftermarket swap?

[FJAggie07]

Are the new Chevy/GMC trucks running the new LT motors? If so they have VVT and the cylinder deactivation to take it down to 4 cylinders cruising on the highway. The new 2014 refresh of the chevy is very nice on the inside. They finally have all of the creature features that the Ford has had for a while.

[BroncoJo]

Ford has traditionally fit bigger people better. I've been in a 13 and wasn't impressed, maybe the 14 is better.

[Sharpe]

I guess you are totally against a chevy? The ability to get power from an LS motor is shown in how many buggies and vehicles get LS Swaps. When was the last time you saw an Eco-Boost aftermarket swap?

I think the aftermarket use of LS motors is mostly due to their physicl size. Ford 5.0s are pretty large due to the overhead cams.

[jerryg79]

I have a 13 F150 4x4 with 5.0L. If you think it's sluggish then owning a truck isn't for you. Hauls enough ass that I never think about it and gets 15 mpg around town with a ****load of idling at work and 17.5 mpg highway doing 80-85. I've had it for 7 months with 20k on it so far. I decided against the ecoboost because it was $2k more and seems like a gimmick to me. Plus it's more parts to break after the warranty expires. I like simple on a DD.

Agreed. I have a '12 5.0 fx4. Was originally thinking eco-boost. Lu talked me out of it due to the shatty mileage towing and the retarded replacement cost of the engine. The 5.0 makes more power than anything i've ever owned and half the time the traction control is kicking in when you hammer down under 40 mph. I dont regret the 5.0.

JB is right, if you are driving through houston sitting in traffic you likely will never see the benefits of an ecoboost anyway.

[FJAggie07]

I think the aftermarket use of LS motors is mostly due to their physicl size. Ford 5.0s are pretty large due to the overhead cams.

I would think that the surplus of the variations of them, the fact that they bolt up to a plethora of transmission options, and you can make the computer in them do whatever it is you want without have to be a computer programmer to break the encryption, all add to the use as well as the size/packaging.

I personally like the 5.0 as well, throw some Borla mufflers on one and it makes a rumble that is darn near perfect.

[FJAggie07]

Ford has traditionally fit bigger people better. I've been in a 13 and wasn't impressed, maybe the 14 is better.

Agreed, the backseat room in the F-150 crewcab is huge, and before the refresh the chevy backseat sucked, but 2014+ really opened up the cab in the Chevy. I sat and rode in the backseat of one last week and it was very comfortable.

[Sharpe]

I have an extended cab. F the back seat passengers. Important people ride in the front. :flipoff2:

[tommy53002]

I vote 5.0. That is what I would buy if I was in the market right now.

I know 3 people that bought eco boosts. Of the 3, 2 have already sold them (after 1 year) because they were disappointed in the gas millage and had repeated mechanical issues that put the trucks in the shop.

I have 1 friend with a 5.0 and he has nothing but good to say about the truck. It has 3.73's and seems to get going pretty good for a truck....

[BroncoJo]

I vote 5.0. That is what I would buy if I was in the market right now.

I know 3 people that bought eco boosts. Of the 3, 2 have already sold them (after 1 year) because they were disappointed in the gas millage and had repeated mechanical issues that put the trucks in the shop.

I have 1 friend with a 5.0 and he has nothing but good to say about the truck. It has 3.73's and seems to get going pretty good for a truck....

Do you know what kind of mechanical issues? I know there are a lot of unhappy people who thought they were going to get 20 mpg, but I would be happy with the same mpg as a 5.0 and more power.

[tommy53002]

Do you know what kind of mechanical issues? I know there are a lot of unhappy people who thought they were going to get 20 mpg, but I would be happy with the same mpg as a 5.0 and more power.

I'm not positive. I believe they were turbo related. Also, I know that at least one of them was running a tuner.

[Sparling]

15 super duties are already on dealer lots. Look around for f150s

I don't know if the issue is widespread or not but I heard at least one eco boost has lost the exhaust seal on the turbo and drained all the oil out killing the engine too.

[JB]

I drove a ram ecodiesel and was impressed, but I doubt the mpg gains will actually make up for the price difference and the ford has a more comfortable cab. If the ecodiesel was a 4 cylinder cummins I would probably go that route though...

What kind of mileage am I expecting jb?

When do y'all think the 2015 fords will come out?

Tommy - I'm going to look into that tuning.

Sticker mpg numbers, what internet people say...

Pirate thread on the Ecodiesel. Take it for what its worth, but claims of high 20s is pretty impressive, even if it acutally gets mid 20s.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/1779282-ram-1500-diesel-anyone-driven-one.html

I have not looked, but I wonder, what a CC 4wd Ecodiesel 1500 is gettting.

If I went back to 1/2 ton, I would be looking for a F150 CC 6.5 XLT or Lairiat 4x4 5.0

[BroncoJo]

Sticker mpg numbers, what internet people say...

Pirate thread on the Ecodiesel. Take it for what its worth, but claims of high 20s is pretty impressive, even if it acutally gets mid 20s.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/1779282-ram-1500-diesel-anyone-driven-one.html

I have not looked, but I wonder, what a CC 4wd Ecodiesel 1500 is gettting.

If I went back to 1/2 ton, I would be looking for a F150 CC 6.5 XLT or Lairiat 4x4 5.0

So far, I've found better pricing on f250s with the 6.7 than the ecodiesel. Also finding a 4x4 is damn near impossible or takes a long wait and the 2wd sticker mpg is 20/28. The ecodiesel is a $4000 option over the v-6 and the lone star package without leather ( cc 2wd ) stickered at $56 or $58,000.

[FJAggie07]

So far, I've found better pricing on f250s with the 6.7 than the ecodiesel. Also finding a 4x4 is damn near impossible or takes a long wait and the 2wd sticker mpg is 20/28. The ecodiesel is a $4000 option over the v-6 and the lone star package without leather ( cc 2wd ) stickered at $56 or $58,000.

Don't be scared of Sticker on Dodge, it doesn't mean crap to them. I just bought a 14 Ram 2500 CC 4wd Cummins Laramie on saturday, sticker was $58K and I bought it for $48K. Probably could have got more off of it if I was financing but since I was trading in a vehicle with a higher trade in than the vehicle I was buying they didn't want to go any lower.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/starranchjoker/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5fe8c57b.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/starranchjoker/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5fe8c57b.jpg.html)

[BroncoJo]

I've been figuring about 10k off sticker for the fords and rams

[jerryg79]

Don't be scared of Sticker on Dodge, it doesn't mean crap to them. I just bought a 14 Ram 2500 CC 4wd Cummins Laramie on saturday, sticker was $58K and I bought it for $48K. Probably could have got more off of it if I was financing but since I was trading in a vehicle with a higher trade in than the vehicle I was buying they didn't want to go any lower.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/starranchjoker/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5fe8c57b.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/starranchjoker/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5fe8c57b.jpg.html)

$48k.......for a dodge:eek:

[FJAggie07]

$48k.......for a dodge:eek:

GMC dealer wanted over $60K for a Denali, Chevy wanted $56K for an LTZ Duramax, and Ford Lariat SD wanted like $52K. Insane prices for trucks these days. That being said, this Dodge is night and DAY over my 2009. I am REALLY impressed with what Fiat has done to improve the interior quality of these things. My 2009 was karl for interior and this new stuff is beautiful inside. I will take a pic at lunch to post up. It even has ass chillers. ;)

[jerryg79]

Still got that emblem that looks like karl's mom's uterus on the front? Yeah I wouldnt pay $48K.

My truck has ass chillers too, I do not value anything made by dodge at 160% of the price of my truck. And that is from a person who owned a dodge diesel and loved it.

[FJAggie07]

Still got that emblem that looks like karl's mom's uterus on the front? Yeah I wouldnt pay $48K.

My truck has ass chillers too, I do not value anything made by dodge at 160% of the price of my truck. And that is from a person who owned a dodge diesel and loved it.

Difference in people's opinions and values. :)

[BroncoJo]

Damn y'all, I would have got an ecoboost if I never asked but maybe I should stick with the 5.0. Does anyone have any insight on resale? I really don't plan on keeping this truck for very long.

[FJAggie07]

Damn y'all, I would have got an ecoboost if I never asked but maybe I should stick with the 5.0. Does anyone have any insight on resale? I really don't plan on keeping this truck for very long.

The only truck that keeps its resale worth a **** is a diesel and the Raptor. Outside of that they all tank.

[BroncoJo]

The only truck that keeps its resale worth a **** is a diesel and the Raptor. Outside of that they all tank.

It's ridiculous what people pay for a used ( or new ) raptor.

[jerryg79]

Damn y'all, I would have got an ecoboost if I never asked but maybe I should stick with the 5.0. Does anyone have any insight on resale? I really don't plan on keeping this truck for very long.

Just looked at my truck on kbb, private party resale for the eco-boost is $37.9 vs 5.0 is $35.9, incidentally that is more than I paid for my truck new even with 40k miles on it now.

I bought mine in October 2012 from Champion Ford in Katy, they were dumping the 2012's at the time and had quite a few sitting on the lot, the price quoted from the online sales guy was lower than anyone else before I even haggled with them.

[BroncoJo]

Just looked at my truck on kbb, private party resale for the eco-boost is $37.9 vs 5.0 is $35.9, incidentally that is more than I paid for my truck new even with 40k miles on it now.

I bought mine in October 2012 from Champion Ford in Katy, they were dumping the 2012's at the time and had quite a few sitting on the lot, the price quoted from the online sales guy was lower than anyone else before I even haggled with them.

What was the sticker and what did you pay? Not including ttl, if you don't mind.

[jerryg79]

MSRP was $44,260
I dont remember exactly what I paid, it was $31.something, the quote they gave originally was $33,362 via email. The price was easy, getting them to give me what I wanted for my trade-in, took a little more doing.

[BroncoJo]

MSRP was $44,260
I dont remember exactly what I paid, it was $31.something, the quote they gave originally was $33,362 via email. The price was easy, getting them to give me what I wanted for my trade-in, took a little more doing.

That's pretty good, without a trade-in I'm figuring to get 10-11k off sticker, hopefully.

[FJAggie07]

Just looked at my truck on kbb, private party resale for the eco-boost is $37.9 vs 5.0 is $35.9, incidentally that is more than I paid for my truck new even with 40k miles on it now.

I don't know how accurate KBB is anymore. Trade in values they suck at, but I wonder if Private Party values are realistic?

[Sharpe]

If you're not going to keep it for long, why not buy used? Buying with resale in mind is dumb. My truck will be a ragged out piece of **** with a bajillion miles on it when I'm done with it so trim level and engine probably won't matter to whatever Mexican I sell it to.

[TexTJ209]

Difference in people's opinions and values. :)

Or people who prefer to not have their interiors fall apart after a few years. :flipoff2:

But, I drive a GM product. Where fancy fuel saving technology (cylinder shutoff) actually equals spark plug oil fouling technology with no real mileage gains to show for it.

[FJAggie07]

Or people who prefer to not have their interiors fall apart after a few years. :flipoff2:

Hell what do I care I have never kept a vehicle longer than 4 years ;)

But seriously I don't know what Fiat has done, but the interior of this Dodge is nicer than my Cadillac. Props to them, we will have to see how it holds up over time.

[BroncoJo]

If you're not going to keep it for long, why not buy used? Buying with resale in mind is dumb. My truck will be a ragged out piece of **** with a bajillion miles on it when I'm done with it so trim level and engine probably won't matter to whatever Mexican I sell it to.

Work is suppose to be switching me to a vehicle allowance for this truck so I'm pretty sure they will be expecting me to maintain a vehicle in nice or new condition. Also if they stop paying me I want to be sure I can sell the mother ****er.



Hell what do I care I have never kept a vehicle longer than 4 years ;)

But seriously I don't know what Fiat has done, but the interior of this Dodge is nicer than my Cadillac. Props to them, we will have to see how it holds up over time.

I definitely did not get this feeling from the 1500 I drove, however i do think the initial paint quality is better on the ram.

[Shaggy]

dodge HD interior upgrades happened in 2010. I have the first year. They fall apart still. the brand new ones are only slightly nicer because of the bigger screen I couldn't tell anything different other than that. Coil sprung rear in a 2500 is interesting. curious how that works out.

[Sparling]

And here comes blankenship to tell you how chevy pioneered coil sprung rear ends.

[BroncoJo]

And here comes blankenship to tell you how chevy pioneered coil sprung rear ends.

:laughing:

[AggieTJ2007]

dodge HD interior upgrades happened in 2010. I have the first year. They fall apart still. the brand new ones are only slightly nicer because of the bigger screen I couldn't tell anything different other than that. Coil sprung rear in a 2500 is interesting. curious how that works out.

I noticed that the other day. Curious how much it squats with a pallet of concrete.

The biggest upside the the conversion to full airbags just got easier, or you add the helper bags like Fred has on his Tahoe, they just fit inside of the coils.

edit: Research shows that 1 tons get airbags.

[BroncoJo]

And the 1500s have airbags

[Sparling]

That's almost like Cadillacs that come with stop leak in the cooling system from the factory.

[JB]

Anyone have any real world Ecoboost mileage numbers? My only stories are from a former co worker saying it had plenty of balls for towing, but mpg was less then 10, and that everyday mpg was not what was advertised. His towing was a basic 2 axle with a Mule on it out to LLano. Pulled a huge 38' bumper travel trailer a few times and got like 7mpg. I don't tend to worry that much about towing MPGs as there are plenty of factors, but I am thinking a truck like that, being advertised like it is, should be in the low 20s on hwy

I still get 13/15.5 in my 10 yr old F150 5.4 with 3.55s, 35s, 250k, and a boat anchor up front.

[Seth]

Guy I work with is getting ~19 in his ecoboost. Mixed driving, no towing.

[Sparling]

Ty from cardoc has one. I think he said he got 20 if he drove nice on the hwy

[TMatheaus]

Before I did the level kit and the larger tires, I could get 20 on the hwy at 70 or below with the 5.0. Not much to gain by going eb. You also dont have to worry about whether one turbo will crap out and leave you with no power.

[BroncoJo]

JB, all that **** you talked and you have no idea... The sticker on an ecoboost is 19 highway...


Most used ecoboost I've looked at (2013's with 20-40k miles) show around 17 mpg on their trip meters. Some of those trip meters were for 10,000 miles or more. Once again the ecoboost will only gain 1 or 2 mpg but will get more power and torque.

[Sparling]

Only 5 more horsepower, torque is probably irrelevant since you will be towing with your dodge if you did have to tow

[JB]

I didn't really talk ****. Maybe you misunderstood. I was aware of sticker number. Actually I think I've seen some listed in low 20s but might have been 2wd.

I don't want the 5.0 for the mpgs. I want because i think it will last longer and so i can feel like a badass when Ice Ice Baby comes on

But you're looking for mpgs and don't want to keep it for very long, so don't listen to me.

[jerryg79]

I don't want the 5.0 for the mpgs. I want because i think it will last longer and so i can feel like a badass when Ice Ice Baby comes on

awesomeness.

[Sharpe]

Trip odometer mileage is bull****. Mine never says over 15 but as I said before, I usually get 17.5 on the highway.

[TexTJ209]

Trip odometer is lies. Sticker mileage is only valid if you're on medicare and named Edna.

[FJAggie07]

People will over analyze everything, just go buy what you want. If you want an ecoboost go buy it. Who gives a **** if a turbo goes out if it is under warranty, you will give it to ford and drive your dodge for a while. Just go buy what you want man, no one here is going to convince you otherwise, nor should they.

[colman]

Dodge 1/2 ton diesel. Just to add to the equation and you said you wanted a diesel anyway

[KrazyKarl02]

On my '06 duramax the mileage on the computer has always been within 0.1 mpg of what I hand calculate. It is the first vehicle I have ever scene that is accurate.

[jerryg79]

On my '06 duramax the mileage on the computer has always been within 0.1 mpg of what I hand calculate. It is the first vehicle I have ever scene that is accurate.

My dodge was correct to the nearest 1000 mpg. It was annoying because the mpg-erometer cut off at 999,999,999.99 mpg and I hand calculated (with my abacus) way better mpg than that.

[BroncoJo]

Dodge 1/2 ton diesel. Just to add to the equation and you said you wanted a diesel anyway

It's been talked about and I'm looking but it's hard to find one equipped like I like for a reasonable price.

My dad's '12 mpg readout is always spot on and I have a very hard time believing the readout would show less than actual.

JB - I guess it's been hard to understand but my major concern is decent power/torque and not getting 10-13 mpg like I do with my current 6.2 v8.

[BroncoJo]

Only 5 more horsepower, torque is probably irrelevant since you will be towing with your dodge if you did have to tow

Actually the torque makes a huge noticeable difference.

[Sparling]

Not unless you like winding your **** out to 5k rpm

[FJAggie07]

Not unless you like winding your **** out to 5k rpm

Now you're just talking out your ass. Forced induction applications give torque low in the RPM range, turbo's are no exception. See the graph below for the Ecoboost.

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm291/p38fln/ecoboostchart.png

[Sparling]

There's a lot of people talking out of their ass in this thread. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Sparling]

Here's the one you need. This is on a chassis dyno, not an engine dyno. Where is the ecoboost torque at 2k rpms where you will more likely be cruising at?

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e2014e605f01cf970c-800wi

[FJAggie07]

Here's the one you need. This is on a chassis dyno, not an engine dyno. Where is the ecoboost torque at 2k rpms where you will more likely be cruising at?

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e2014e605f01cf970c-800wi

Oh please keep telling me all about chassis dyno's, enlighten me oh enlightened one. Point is you said winding it out to 5K rpms, The ecoboost has a fairly flat torque curve starting with 90% of it's torque between 2500-3000 rpm's (depending on the dyno). It is at least 50 ft lbs at the wheels above the 5.0 at 3K rpms, that is very acceptable when mashing the skinny pedal. There is no "winding it out" imo.

[Shaggy]

The ecoboost is lots of fun in the explorer sport. The truck just feels like a regular v8 to me. I don't recall ever driving the 5.0 so I can't speak to that.

[tommy53002]

Don't be scared of Sticker on Dodge, it doesn't mean crap to them. I just bought a 14 Ram 2500 CC 4wd Cummins Laramie on saturday, sticker was $58K and I bought it for $48K. Probably could have got more off of it if I was financing but since I was trading in a vehicle with a higher trade in than the vehicle I was buying they didn't want to go any lower.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/starranchjoker/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5fe8c57b.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/starranchjoker/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5fe8c57b.jpg.html)

Did you get screwed on your trade in? That seems like a smokin price.

[Sparling]

Oh please keep telling me all about chassis dyno's, enlighten me oh enlightened one. Point is you said winding it out to 5K rpms, The ecoboost has a fairly flat torque curve starting with 90% of it's torque between 2500-3000 rpm's (depending on the dyno). It is at least 50 ft lbs at the wheels above the 5.0 at 3K rpms, that is very acceptable when mashing the skinny pedal. There is no "winding it out" imo.
Who said anything about being enlightened? You posted a graph that means nothing in the real world. What the truck gets to the wheels is important. So I exaggerated a bit, so what. My point stands that at cruising rpm, the ecoboost doesn't make the torque that makes the difference between it and the 5.0 which means you're going to either give it more pedal than the 5.0 to do a small speed increase which means its either going to take longer to do the same thing or its going to downshift, and then upshift again once you let off. I dont know about you but i hate my truck downshifting on hills just to maintain speed.

[BroncoJo]

Who said anything about being enlightened? You posted a graph that means nothing in the real world. What the truck gets to the wheels is important. So I exaggerated a bit, so what. My point stands that at cruising rpm, the ecoboost doesn't make the torque that makes the difference between it and the 5.0 which means you're going to either give it more pedal than the 5.0 to do a small speed increase which means its either going to take longer to do the same thing or its going to downshift, and then upshift again once you let off. I dont know about you but i hate my truck downshifting on hills just to maintain speed.


Then a chassis dyno means nothing either.

From my experience ( several thousand miles in a 5.0 and a few test drives in a ecoboost )

The 5.0 down shifts all the time which makes me hate the 6 speed transmission.

The ecoboost can handle the passing lane without downshifting.

And that is the main reason I was leaning towards ecoboost.

[jerryg79]

This thread got gayer than all 3 tapes found on top of karl's vcr.

[FJAggie07]

Did you get screwed on your trade in? That seems like a smokin price.

I don't think I got screwed on my trade. I traded in a 2013 Ford Raptor, and They gave me $1800 less than what I bought it for new. I only had it for 10 months and I thought that was a VERY fair amount of depreciation and kick in the shorts for changing my mind so quick on the vehicle. I was very pleased with how it kept it's value, and I ended up not having to pay any money at all for my new truck, win win for me.


Who said anything about being enlightened? You posted a graph that means nothing in the real world. What the truck gets to the wheels is important.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but there is a single flaw in your posts and that is your reliance on what the vehicle puts to the wheels, or rather "chassis dyno's". All Dyno's read different, even dyno's of the same brand if they are calibrated differently. The graph you posted is a great comparison of the two trucks if they were run back to back on the same dyno (which I assume they were) with the same weather conditions. The chart you reference is a good comparison, but the ecoboost still makes 10% more torque, which is what will effect a "butt dyno".

[mudtoy67]

This thread got gayer than all 3 tapes found on top of karl's vcr.

Horse Whisperer? Never seen it. :laughing:

[KrazyKarl02]

This thread got gayer than all 3 tapes found on top of karl's vcr.

I told you those came with the VCR, but I had to watch them to make sure they really were gay pron. I mean what if the previous owner labeled them gay pron to keep people from watching super awesome hetero pron.

[Sparling]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYWE11Oo5rg

[JB]

Strange they did all that work and did not swap in Raptor seats or the 4wd selector

[BroncoJo]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/BroncoJo/6d7684a03b1ec195f1a8dbc6f3077ca3_zpscacfb542.jpg

I couldn't resist the turbo chargers...

[Shaggy]

I am going to check out an Explorer sport tonight. We might own an ecoboost later today as well.

[sam_hodnett]

I am going to check out an Explorer sport tonight. We might own an ecoboost later today as well.

What off road park are you going to test drive it at this time? :flipoff2:

[Shaggy]

It is 4wd but not for offroad reason. I really lucked out last time I did that. Learned my lesson. Kinda

[Sparling]

How did you luck out Tate? You test drove a brand new jeep at K2 all weekend and totaled it. Lucky that it wasn't your insurance?

[Shaggy]

Yes. Dealership covered it when the dealership found out what my insurance company was going to let me keep it for. And I now own an explorer sport. Well my wife does I guess.

[tommy53002]

How did you luck out Tate? You test drove a brand new jeep at K2 all weekend and totaled it. Lucky that it wasn't your insurance?

pictures?

[Shaggy]

I didn't total it. It just had so much rock damage they chose to total it. I tried to buy it but they wouldn't meet me on price.

[sam_hodnett]

I didn't total it. It just had so much rock damage they chose to total it.

That is the definition of totaling something. Especially since it had 50 miles on it and was supposed to be brand new.

[Shaggy]

it had over a hundred... why does this keep coming up?

[Sharpe]

Because it is literally one of the dumbest things that has ever occurred in the history of this club. And that is saying a lot...

[Shaggy]

I planned on buying it. It just didn't work out that way. How is that dumb. If I ended up buying it no one would have said a word at how I wheeled it.

[jasonjuch]

I planned...

I'm sure the point is that people who go to Katemcy Rocks usually don't take borrowed vehicles.. The rocks there aren't very forgiving.

[JB]

Not to beat a dead horse, but was there really enough damage to total it? I mean, the dealer should have been pissed and all, but I do not see why it gets "totaled". Were they essentially saying that a scratched axle tube/skid needed to be replaced? Was there body damage? I remember it being out there, but don't remember you taking it up stupid things. You probably should have just bought it. How did the convo go when you returned it?

[JB]

nice truck Travis.

[Shaggy]

No real body damage. All 4 rims rock rash. Front and rear bumpers pretty bad. Sliders bad. All skid plates underneith. Paint had some pin striping. They quoted it 22k in parts alone to restore to new car status. I don't know how they came up with that number. I didn't see anything wrong with it at all.

I basically walked in and went straight to finance office. Spent some time negotiating and it didn't work out. 2 weeks later they called me and said the jeep was ****ed. I agreed to have my insurance take care of if after they got some quoted. My insurance offered buy back around 10k. I was all about that and let it slip to the dealer. They then said they were taking care of it without my insurance. Sticker on it was around 38k if I Remember correctly.

[jerryg79]

Because it is literally one of the dumbest things that has ever occurred in the history of this club. And that is saying a lot...

agreed.

Tate, I've bought a few vehicles, and have never talked price in the "finance office" but in the words of Jimmy "it's your story tell it how you want".

[Sparling]

He has a finance guy. You have to be a high roller to get into the finance office.