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Chadnutz
09-30-2003, 12:19 PM
35x12.50 pro comp mud terrains

50% tread

one time has had a nasty slice in it for 15k miles...

thanks.

StevenAg03
09-30-2003, 01:14 PM
no more then 150 for all four

stinger7401
09-30-2003, 02:04 PM
time to bring the old skool back


ill give ya $5 for all 5, better yet how about a dollar each:flipoff2:

aggielr
09-30-2003, 04:10 PM
wait wait wait, they're PRO-COMP, i'll give ya $10






































:flipoff2:

Chadnutz
09-30-2003, 05:23 PM
Anything is better than what I have, but it looks like Burris has given me dibs on the Swampers which are what I really wanted...

Can my stock **** hold up 36s? Keep in mind I'm open so there will be slippage at the diff.....

aggielr
09-30-2003, 05:30 PM
my question is will you have gears for 36's?

Chadnutz
09-30-2003, 07:08 PM
not right away but I do have the toyota t-case

4.x * 2.y * 2.28 * 4.1 = 75-133

Somewhere in that range but I don't know the actual reduction numbers for my truck. Going by an Aussie Mazda it would be:

4.415 * 2.21 * 2.28 * 4.1 = 91:1 Good enough? :flipoff2:

Let's do a comparison....

31 * Pi = 97.4" circumference right now
36 * Pi = 113.1"

(113-97.4) / 97.4 = 16% more distance per rev.

4.415 * 2.21 * 4.1 = 40:1 currently

(91-40)/40 = 127% lower gearing.

aggielr
09-30-2003, 07:13 PM
this is with dual cases, are you goin to put those in before wheelin it?

if so why didn't you just wait till you graduated and put the mazda in storage and build it later?

Chadnutz
09-30-2003, 07:25 PM
I'm sure it can handle 16% loss of power for a few months.....

Didn't Suzie have 33s and 3.55s? Did you give her ****? I know my motor has more balls than hers does.....

33 * Pi / 3.55 = 29"/rev
36 * Pi / 4.10 = 27.6"/rev

2.6L Mazda > 2.x Heap Junk

aggielr
09-30-2003, 07:29 PM
no, she had 4.10's and 33's, you'll have 4.10's and 36's, little different there cowboy :flipoff2:

Chadnutz
09-30-2003, 07:30 PM
All that math for nothing because I was editing while you were posting? Damnit. I'm not really gearing to do any major wheeling until SB. I'm going to work my ass off during CB to buy some more crap including that adapter.

aggielr
09-30-2003, 07:34 PM
its yours, do what ya please

Chadnutz
09-30-2003, 07:43 PM
Like buy cheap used tires because I don't have $900 to spare? OK.

StevenAg03
09-30-2003, 11:03 PM
one thing that yall are forgetting is that even though he does have 4.10 gears(same for any 4cyl jeep for that matter) they are still stock gears. so you cant really compare a vehicle that came stock with 3.07's to one that came stock with 4.10's.


here is an example with real life vehicles that we all know and not nessacarily love.

Vehicle 1: We'll say its a 1999 Jeep Tj with a 6cyl, auto, stock 3.07 gears...maybe it is maroon with a green undercarraige or maybe it isnt...when it was lifted and put on 33's it needed to be regeared to 4.10's

Vehicle 2: We'll say this one is a 1997 Jeep Tj wiith a 4cyl, standard, and stock 4.10's...maybe this one is blue and in corpus right now but then again maybe its not...when it was lifted and put on 33's it needed to be regeared to 4.56's




noiw the 4.10's in vehcile 1 worked great when the vehicle was lifted...because they were lower then stock. however with a slightly smaller tire on vehicle 2, the same gears as in vehicle 1(4.10's) were no longer adaquate.


anyone see what im getting at? Nutz, if your gonna go to 36's then i would put atleaste 5.13's or 5.29's in the diffs. 4.10's with that size tire or even with 33's will be pretty underpowered. if you dont believe me, go burn up a few clutches trying to make it up a hill with out enough gearing...ive seen it before...

BigRedFord04
09-30-2003, 11:18 PM
i dont really care to get into explaining why lower gears are better for crawling and a purpose built TRAIL RIG because if you dont already know then its not worth my time. I say 4.88s or deeper unless you plan on adding some V8 power.

StevenAg03
09-30-2003, 11:20 PM
hell he would need 4.88's for 33's:flipoff2:

Chadnutz
09-30-2003, 11:24 PM
Hellooooooo did you read the other post????

dual t-cases = MUCH lower gearing than changing diff gears

5.29s are weaker and 4.10s and i have 3 sets of 4.10s and no sets of free 5.29s

I don't care about street driving either....

TXsizeK5
09-30-2003, 11:28 PM
when i first bought my truck it had 3.08, and 35" tires... needless to say, it sucked balls... if you arent doing much street driving and you have the dual T-cases it should be fine... once you get up past 4.88 the pinion gear just keeps getting smaller and smaller = weaker.

StevenAg03
09-30-2003, 11:55 PM
sorry nutz....didnt realize you had all the answers...:rolleyes:

BMFScout
10-01-2003, 01:16 AM
fyi- that sweet tj with the green undercarriage has 3.73's, but it also has a torque converter, and 2 more cylinders than nutz. Nutz is going to do what nutz wants to do, he just posts on here for ****s and giggles...

StevenAg03
10-01-2003, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by BMFScout
fyi- that sweet tj with the green undercarriage has 3.73's, but it also has a torque converter, and 2 more cylinders than nutz. Nutz is going to do what nutz wants to do, he just posts on here for ****s and giggles...




ahh yes....but read what i wrote...


Originally posted by StevenAg03
Vehicle 1: We'll say its a 1999 Jeep Tj with a 6cyl, auto, stock 3.07 gears...maybe it is maroon with a green undercarraige or maybe it isnt...when it was lifted and put on 33's it needed to be regeared to 4.10's


:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Chadnutz
10-01-2003, 05:38 AM
I am seriously trying to figure out why I am catching **** for this but I can't.

Dual cases with 4.10 = 90:1
Single cases regeared to 5.29 = 56:1

I realize that I won't be able to get out of 3rd gear on the road but what do I care. This is a dedicated trail rig from now on.

What the **** is the problem? Please explain.....

aggielr
10-01-2003, 09:08 AM
because no matter if 100% of the people on here told you something, you would do what was made up in your mind, even if it was the exact opposite of what we all told you

robertf03
10-01-2003, 09:22 AM
I dont think you built it beefy enough for 36"s
keep in mind they are toyota axles :flipoff2:

Chadnutz
10-01-2003, 11:08 AM
That was my question.....

Now - how much is Scott persecuted for running 37s on Toy axles? Not at all. Granted he has Longfields... I am unlocked so unless I am hard on the go pedal I shouldn't be breaking anything. If I do I have spares.....

How about Nix and his 35s on a D30 and 7.5? But he is ROTM...

You guys are pathetically selective in your criticism...

Now admit your argument was stupid as hell saying that I am dumb for not regearing the axles for bigger tires....

IN EDIT:

I shouldn't bother balancing them, correct? It is $60 to have them put on my wheels without being balanced - $80 balanced..

BMFScout
10-01-2003, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Chadnutz

I shouldn't bother balancing them, correct? It is $60 to have them put on my wheels without being balanced - $80 balanced..

It doens't matter what we think, the way you asked the question expresses your views, and you never take anyone else's advice. If it were me I would get them balanced for the occassional street drive, but here is the answer you want to hear, "naw **** it, it's just a trail rig..."

Chadnutz
10-01-2003, 12:08 PM
I am more flexible on the balancing issue but I need bigger tires or all of my work was in vain....

uglyota
10-01-2003, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Chadnutz
Now - how much is Scott persecuted for running 37s on Toy axles? Not at all. Granted he has Longfields... I am unlocked so unless I am hard on the go pedal I shouldn't be breaking anything. If I do I have spares.....
Scott's on a FJ80 front and V6 rear...but plenty of people run 37s on minitruck axles--properly built--and factory 4.10s are by far the strongest...they just put the stress on your driveshaft


Originally posted by Chadnutz
...or all of my work was in vain....
:eek: Don't let any of our new guys think that the main reason for a live axle is bigger tires!

Chadnutz
10-01-2003, 01:45 PM
I don't know where I led on to that....

I went to Cibilo and aired down with my phat 31's and I dragged metal all over the rocks....

For you newbies - there are several reasons for a live axle

strength
wealth of aftermarket upgrades
flex
simplicity
cheap cost of lift

On a different note, I finally got my ubolts in so I can strap the rear axle down, make a drag link and drive it out of the shop.....

eight
10-01-2003, 02:02 PM
I don't balance mine. Try it without and see how bad it is. My guess is you'll get alot of vibration from the SXs, spend the money on balancing them, and notice that it didn't do ****. At least that's how my 35" SXs were.


And how many birfirelds did Scott break on the old toy?

StevenAg03
10-01-2003, 02:19 PM
the tires on my jeep arent balanced and they riude smoother then a babys behind...but i would expect thats a fluke since we mounted them ourselves. there is no vibration at 50mph atleast....

BigRedFord04
10-01-2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Chadnutz
I am seriously trying to figure out why I am catching **** for this but I can't.

Dual cases with 4.10 = 90:1
Single cases regeared to 5.29 = 56:1

that wasnt my argument nutz

Dual cases regeared to 5.29 = 120:1 Whoop! :cheers:

StevenAg03
10-01-2003, 02:34 PM
why not put 6 cases in it and then you can have a direct drive from the driveshaft to the tires....the gears would be huge in that case...

Chadnutz
10-01-2003, 06:15 PM
How about 2.28:1 gears in the Toy case replaced with 5.0:1 gears? It would cost the same and I'd get to keep my STRONGER 4.10s in the axles.

Thats 200:1. :flipoff2:

eight
10-01-2003, 06:23 PM
Somebody make's an adapter to put a toy case behind a mazda one?

BigRedFord04
10-01-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by Chadnutz
How about 2.28:1 gears in the Toy case replaced with 5.0:1 gears? It would cost the same and I'd get to keep my STRONGER 4.10s in the axles.

Thats 200:1. :flipoff2:
DO IT!

Chadnutz
10-01-2003, 09:37 PM
Someone makes an adapter to divorce a toy case.