np241 t-case

[usmcagg02]

are the nv241 tcases any good? what should i expect ot pay for one if i decide to buy? any particular breakage points i should examine before hand?

[usmcagg02]

also, are there any better driver side drop tcases that bolt up to a 4l60e tranny that can be found for decent prices?

[Violentv8toy]

from the thread, i take it you're looking into SAS'in your silverado.

The roommate of a HS friend of mine is sassin' his 01 2500.....6" alcan fronts...ferd d60 front 14b rear both detroit'd 42" swampers. He was looking for a t-case so he had been asking me alot of questions about it. He ended up going with a np241 from a blazer....which is a good t-case. He originally bought a np205 ford drop and was gonna go with that...but that ended up getting sold to a TAMOR member since i talked him out of it...

Personally, what i would go for is i'd definately drop some dime on an adapter to put a toyota t-case behind your 4l60e and put a 4.0 gearset in it....which says alot cause i'm a cheeeeep bastard. The sas itself really isn't that hard from what it seems...i'd be willing to do the front xmember and shackle hangers for you for very cheap. Ask brandon..i damn near work for free.

His AIM is Dark Eternal 3 if you wanna talk with him.

Of course, i might be waaay off base here....so sorry if i am.

EDIT: toyota t-case is about 75 bux...run it on 2.28 until you have enough coin for 4.0...dunno about the adapter tho.

[eight]

Um, the toyota case is made for a 2.3 liter motor in a 3000 lb truck.

[jerryg79]

Um, the toyota case is made for a 2.3 liter motor in a 3000 lb truck.

I didnt want to say nothin' but seriously that really is a retarted idea, and i mean like wear a helmet retareted! :rainbow:

[Violentv8toy]

2.4L and 2.7L and 3.0L if you wanna get technical.

alright...call me crazy but i'd sure as hell run it if i was serious about it....i wouldn't be running some crap 2.0 t-case with some big meats that is to be used on the road too. (kinda like what im doing now)

sure its not bad with an auto....but if a toyota t-case can take this, i'd be more than happy to run it. just because it CAME out of a toyota doesn't mean it can't handle anything more....

[Violentv8toy]

but really though....np241 would be a better way to go if it bolted right up....just rambling.

[Busa]

A toyota T-case will hold up to a 350 and big tires. People do it all the time when swaping in a V8 in a toy.

[usmcagg02]

from the thread, i take it you're looking into SAS'in your silverado. i'd be willing to do the front xmember and shackle hangers for you for very cheap.

i am tossin around the idea, and i'm startin to lean more heavily towards it. any fab help would be appreciated, but i'm actually thinkin about goin coil sping rather than leaf.



A toyota T-case will hold up to a 350 and big tires. People do it all the time when swaping in a V8 in a toy.

but this isnt goin in a toy, i dont think i'm gonna trust a mini truck tcase in a fullsize.

[Violentv8toy]

coils....dang....can't help you on susp design.

Not baggin on you, but are you able to design a suspension? I'd hate to design my first suspension on my DD....esp for the front.

[usmcagg02]

coils....dang....can't help you on susp design.

Not baggin on you, but are you able to design a suspension? I'd hate to design my first suspension on my DD....esp for the front.


nope, should be fun huh? :flipoff3:

[BigRedFord04]

its not that hard to design a basic, streetable suspension. you dont want to go w/ anything too crazy anyway b.c., as we've all been enlightened by krabs, full sizes suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hardest part is getting everything exactly even so you can go straight down the road. build a basic long arm suspension, bolt a FORD p/s box on and make sure you get a good strong track bar design. i've got some ideas i'd be more than happy to share if you decide to follow thru.

[eight]

I'd been telling him to just do a basic ford radius arm suspension like you used. But he's thinking more of a 4 link plus track bar like dodges and TJs. With either one it should drive good. His stock steering box looks like it will work. The transfer case he has now is full time so it would need to go. So he'd need a part time case that bolts up to the 4l60e and is driver drop because it would be easier to use a driver drop axle. So about all there is is the nv241 from a 88+ chevy, unless somebodt knows of anything else. Like I think there were some np208s in early IFS chevys. So how does the 241 compare to a 208?

[usmcagg02]

actually i havent decided radius arm or four link yet. that is farther down the line. i'm gonna start collecting major components (tcase, axles, springs, shocks, etc) then design the best working suspension around what i have.

so back to the question at hand...any recommendations other than 241 or 208?

[Doug Krebs]

I was writing at least a 5 paragraph reply to this when my computer froze. Instead of the long winded response I will summarize why this is a bad idea. I'm not sure how you're going to wheel this, so some of it may not apply.

1. Not only is it a fullsize but it's extended cab
2. It's way too nice to beat up
3. It will get beat up, with 36's and locked front and rear it will be capable, but to be so it's going to get thrashed
4. Parts will no longer be stock and it will break. You then have to worry about you're daily driver and a very nice truck.
5. It's a fullsize and extended cab
6. It's going to kill the value of you're truck.

My advice, build something, light, small and trailerable. It will be much more fun and less money lost.

I swear to god I'll cry if you go through with this...

[usmcagg02]

1. Not only is it a fullsize but it's extended cab
2. It's way too nice to beat up
3. It will get beat up, with 36's and locked front and rear it will be capable, but to be so it's going to get thrashed
4. Parts will no longer be stock and it will break. You then have to worry about you're daily driver and a very nice truck.
5. It's a fullsize and extended cab
6. It's going to kill the value of you're truck.

well after a few months in virginia then two years in panhandle of florida i'm gonna(more than likely) be stationed in either san diego or 29 palms so i'll be wheeling in the deserts around there...translation no need to worry about the trees that a small sized would have the advantage in. as for too nice to beat up and kill the value...it has already been hit twice and has over 100k miles so i'm not really worried about that. i couldnt really get much in the way of trade in value or sell off value anyways. the reason that i'm leaning towards sas rather than a purchased kit is cause looking at prices i can do it cheaper and actually have something that will perform better. as for on road conditions i'm not really planning to go much higher than 37~38 and if i can find a good deal on progressive rate coils then it will still ride fairly comfortably, besides its a truck so i'm not gonna sweat too much in the way of a rough ride.

[BigRedFord04]

having been there, done that...i'd say buy something else and **** it up. down the road you're going to be stuck with a big POS that sucks gas and breaks all the time. if i had to do it all over again i would've swapped some 4.10s in the F150, maybe play w/ the motor a bit, but basically make it a tow rig. probably would've put the ZF in anyway, cuz its friggin' cool.

now, back to the topic at hand...i've never messed w/ either x-fer case, so i dont know. still willing to help out, we can invite doug and tie him to a tree and make him watch so he cries like a baby. :D

[Shaggy]

you have too messed with a 208... remember the one we took apart in my suburban... well we didnt get it back together but that is what it was

[Shaggy]

oh yeah and i think you should get somehting else too... i drive a Full size and know how easily they break... get something small it will be much cheaper and will be more capable

[jerryg79]

I'd listen to what austin has to say. Doug is right too, but I swear to god doug, you must really spank it to telling people that full sizes suck, cause I think you do it on every damn board I read. :flipoff2:

[eight]

I think he should buy the 4wd vega on 33s.

[Violentv8toy]

now...maybe this is just me....but after you alter your vehicle, it will never be the same....just keep that in mind.

Also, are you ready to put some big money into it?
http://www.gmfullsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2537&page=1&pp=10

hes at 6k+

http://homepage.mac.com/darketernal/SAS.html

not only that....will you able to take the fact that a toyota/jeep with a locker in the front and a welded rear that has a grand total of less than 2k dollars will go many more places?

[BigRedFord04]

damn, that site makes me wanna put a big gay picture of my truck in my signature. :rolleyes:

i did my SAS for ~$1500 including brand new 37"s and gears for front and back. its not hard to do it cheap, ask anyone in this club...you just have to shop smart and be a JOO. i think the SAS on nix's ranger cost less than $500.

[Violentv8toy]

haha yeah...its pretty weak huh.

i did my sas for about 700 overall....but theres no point in putting a d44 under your chevy IMO....which will increase the costs:
d60 itself...steering...links...coils....

[BigRedFord04]

my $1500 included steering, links and new coils...btw.

also....someone said something earlier...i had assumed the IFS would mean it came w/ a rack and pinion, didnt know they made it w/ an actual gearbox. only experience i've ever had w/ true IFS is cutting it up.

[Doug Krebs]

I'd listen to what austin has to say. Doug is right too, but I swear to god doug, you must really spank it to telling people that full sizes suck, cause I think you do it on every damn board I read. :flipoff2:

What other board have I don't it on? Htown? P.S. that board is really annoying...

Anyways, I always thought I was one of those blazer die hards, i.e. I'll never wheel anything else, everything else is gay... but after a while, you see toyota's driving circles around you no matter how hard you try. I thought the blazer would be a happy medium between a daily driver and a bad ass wheeler. Ok, i'm not finishing this explanation... I'm not even sure why i started :flipoff2:

[uglyota]

What other board have I don't it on? Htown? P.S. that board is really annoying...
well at least in every thread here...

Nathan, if you're in the desert you're either gonna be prerunning or on rocks. Rocks will hurt you, and you will want a smaller rig. If you're prerunning, you'll be pissed that you put in a SA instead of a longarm IFS and, oh yeah, you'll still want a smaller rig. And eventually--way down the line--after your truck's no longer streetable, or you're embarrassed to take it out to dinner, you WILL think "man, why didn't I just paint the hood, leave this as a nice tow rig, and build something small?" Have you EVER heard me talk about lifting my chevy? Probably not (however, when it gets REALLY old and everything on the IFS needs replacing, a D60 may be more cost-efficient).

On the other hand, he's heard everybody's comments from experience or otherwise, so if he still wants to go through with it, let's cut the flaming and help him build it! :cheers:

[usmcagg02]

you'll be pissed that you put in a SA instead of a longarm IFS

had thought about that but i know even less about doing that. plus kinda figgured that to do long arm ifs would cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[uglyota]

Fabtech, or get a Furd
I think jumping is the only thing a TTB is actually good for

[BigRedFord04]

...why didn't I just paint the hood...
that was you?!?!? blue chebby, grey hood? god damn....how long did you live down the street from us and i never remember meeting you?

I think jumping is the only thing a TTB is actually good for
it also makes a great conversation piece in a pile on the side of the yard.

[usmcagg02]

that was you?!?!? blue chebby, grey hood? god damn....how long did you live down the street from us and i never remember meeting you?

where do you live? as for hood it now matches rest of truck in color, still workin on gettin it a good paint job though.

[BigRedFord04]

we live on raintree...used to see an blue chebby w/ a grey hood all the time like the 1st or 2nd street on the right. it was at a couple meetings, i assume it was you.

[usmcagg02]

nope, i didnt live there. but some of my buddies lived on shiloh. might have seen me there.

[usmcagg02]

well this is now not an issue. found out from my dad this weekend that he know a guy that works for superlift that can get me a deal at close to half of retail so i'm goin with that.

[uglyota]

Or you could spend that money on a small rig and KEEP YOUR DAILY DRIVER NICE!
:flipoff2:

[usmcagg02]

well, now with my dad's connection i can get my truck completly lefited for under a grand. for the same money i could buy a pos little truck and have to put another grand into it to get it to where i could take it off road.

[Doug Krebs]

for the same money i could buy a pos little truck and have to put another grand into it to get it to where i could take it off road.

And it would be damn worth it and much more fun! Have fun with whatever you do, I'm just talking from experience and trying to help.

[uglyota]

well, now with my dad's connection i can get my truck completly lefited for under a grand. for the same money i could buy a pos little truck and have to put another grand into it to get it to where i could take it off road.
don't forget gearing (probably $800 at the end of the day) and tires

[BigRedFord04]

i agree w/ eric. if you're not going to do anything cool, for jebus sake dont put an IFS lift on it. spend the $$ on a beater. I'VE BEEN THERE DOOD. dont f*ck w/ your DD or you'll regret it later. sure, you're going to get the lift at half price...but does you dad know someone that works for Randy's R&P, or BFG?? you're still going to spend $2K lifting a rig that wont be as capable as you'd like off-road.

[usmcagg02]

well his company does alot of business with both summit and 4wheel parts so i can get him to get cheap stuff from both of them.

[BigRedFord04]

dude, i'm not trying to bust your chops or anything really....but i cannot stress enough how much i advise against this idea. you'll be happier in the long run not having to drive your trail vehicle every day. how much are you thinking you're going to spend on this project? i've got time to kill, i'll find you a beater in that price range.

[usmcagg02]

well among the things that i have to keep in consideration is that over the next 2~3 years i'm gonna be moving around alot and wont be able to be hualing around an extra vehicle. also, after i get to virginia (sometime before dec) i'll have access to on base auto shops. they are pretty much hooked up with any tool you can think of, and i can use it for free so repairs will only cost me price of parts. third, i dont really want to spend my money on another truck...i bought mine to drive it, if i **** it up i'll fix it and keep going. trade in value is not a big deal to me cause i'm gonna drive it till it dies