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texasxj
11-21-2004, 03:25 PM
Well i got a digital camera so now we will have in-depth build up coverage!!
I have had this jeep for about 1 1/2 years but work and money has been slow.
I tried to save the 4 banger and slapped on a 3" susp. and 31 muds and hoped to wheel it for a while while i gathered all the good stuff. But the tranny crapped out and the de-facing began.


Project-84 Jeep XJ rock rig-NO MUD????

ATTN: Trailer queen=NOT street legal
Current parts:
Chevy 98 (vortec heads) 350-carb'd-torqued out. just need all the acces.

Turbo th350 with RV shift kit.

NP231 tcase

big fan/raditor/oil-tranny cooler/(extend front clip)

GM 14 bolt-disc brake conversion, 456s, welded, rig up the brakes and bolt up
Current Plans:
78 bronco D44 front-still waiting on it-getting 456s and a lockah

Front-zj- 4.5" and a spacer maybe
Rear-chevy 56s and a chevy lowering shackle and prob a zero rate sometime

36 IROKS/or Mud grapplers/16x10 black rockcrawlers

Cut back off=rag top-not for a while

full rollcage/sliders

custom dash/gauges

custom bumpers w/ mile marker or warn 9000

lights-underneath/top-cb-hilift-gas tank inside-lots of other goodies!!!

Beat the everlasting **** out of it on the trail!!!!

SUGGESTIONS/RECOMINDATIONS WANTED

jwingfield2k
11-21-2004, 03:57 PM
i'll see ya a dana44 and 10b

stx4wheeler
11-21-2004, 04:04 PM
the diff for the 44 is on the wrong side this has been gone over in detail in the other thread, and maybe contemplate going with a little less lift.

eight
11-21-2004, 07:30 PM
Why the 231? A 205 will go on the th350 with no adapters, or if you don't like the 2:1 low range of that, a 208 has 2.6:1, but is not as strong, and no twinstickability. But still much stronger than 231.

Being a trail rig, go with the 4.88, or maybe lower, not sure how low the 14 bolt goes.

True track isn't limited slip is it? Don't bother with a limited slip, it'll just spin one tire and piss you off.

texasxj
11-21-2004, 08:11 PM
kopecki-yep got the 231 before i thunk things over-already mated to 350-i still want to be able to get it going pretty fast in mud or sand so i want to stay around 4.56-the tranny has a rv shift kit so that will lower everything and the 231 is somewhat low also. havent decided on what to put in front-waiting to see what i end up having-def full locker!!-even if i cant turn!

kevin-cody may have me a 44 too. and the lift-yeah i know its a little high-i think i may just get the full 6.5 kit and build from it-engine first-lift is just dreaming now!!

Sharpe
11-21-2004, 11:30 PM
I know where you can get a TH350 version NP205 if you're interested at all.

jwingfield2k
11-21-2004, 11:49 PM
yah, cody hughes will sell ya a th350 and 205 combo for like 200 bux. and he'll give you the blazer with it for free:)

texasxj
11-22-2004, 10:14 AM
maybe i will do that will get motor in first and go from there

texasxj
11-22-2004, 02:17 PM
ok finally got the pics up

uglyota
11-22-2004, 03:26 PM
run out of masking tape?

texasxj
11-22-2004, 03:32 PM
your not talking about my lovely rattle can job are you????? :flipoff2:

texasxj
11-28-2004, 11:54 PM
not much progress this week-got motor mounts off and steering box, cut some wires and vacuum line crap BUT my truck tranny took a massive **** on turkey day and left me stranded in east texas-got to be chained home by my granpa. may be buying compressor and impact/air wrench pretty soon so then bolts will be flying off!!!! what brand of steering box should i replace mine with?

stx4wheeler
11-29-2004, 01:11 AM
i would send the box to west texas offraod and get it rebuilt and tapped for hydro steer, imo thats the way to go on the steering box and system. if you want you can check out mine and look at it when you come to look at the axle.

texasxj
11-30-2004, 09:25 PM
hey yall i need some info on putting a 78 bronco(ford=boooo) 44 in the front. I registered on naxja to look for some tips but waiting for registration to go through. just want to know if yall know any one that has done this kind of swap.

uglyota
12-01-2004, 09:35 AM
isn't that gonna be a lot more narrow than your 14b rear?

fbronco86
12-01-2004, 09:43 AM
nope he has a narrow 14 bolt 63in wms

texasxj
12-01-2004, 09:45 AM
shouldnt be remember that the 14b was shorter. if anything it may be bigger????

fbronco86
12-01-2004, 10:21 AM
hey yall i need some info on putting a 78 bronco(ford=boooo) 44 in the front. I registered on naxja to look for some tips but waiting for registration to go through. just want to know if yall know any one that has done this kind of swap.

i am not so sure u are gonna get alot of advice on here about that but most of us in the club have just learned by trial and error.

texasxj
12-01-2004, 10:22 AM
yeah thats what kevin and i were talking about but figured i would throw it out here anyway

uglyota
12-01-2004, 10:26 AM
it's easy...all you gotta do is figure out which springs to use, how to mount them to the frame, and the axle to the springs, then figure out how to make the wheels turn. No problem ;)

texasxj
12-01-2004, 03:17 PM
ok so i will come to you then right??? i have no idea what i am doing on this part so it will be fun!!!

BigRedFord04
12-01-2004, 03:39 PM
i'd definately suggest a set of Warn chromo shafts and CTMs if you're going full detroit in front. you wont have as many problems breaking shafts or u-joints, especially if you're only running 36"s.

as for mounting the axle, you're probably going to have to use Ford upper coil buckets and somehow mount them to the "frame". i think tate has a pair in storage. given that, i'd suggest some Wild Horses 5.5" early bronco coils and James Duff extended radius arms (or make your own)...either way, if you're using the Ford suspension setup you'll need something longer than factory. you'll also need an adjustable track bar so you can position your mounting bracket....i know Superlift makes one for fullsizes, and probably a different p/n for EB stuff, which is probably closer to the width you need. are you using the XJ steering gearbox? again, with a full locker you'll definately want hydro assist...west texas off-road or PSC are both good companies.

texasxj
12-01-2004, 03:59 PM
ok sounds good-see what i need to do when i get the axle. ill be running whatever kevin has put in it for a while. yeah kevin suggested sending it to wtor + hydro so prob what ill do. thx

jerryg79
12-01-2004, 04:01 PM
ok sounds good-see what i need to do when i get the axle. ill be running whatever kevin has put in it for a while. yeah kevin suggested sending it to wtor + hydro so prob what ill do. thx

Just remember to take all your advice from Kevin with a grain of salt, or you will have a giant turd of a jeep with a starter that scares kids and sounds like death incarnate :flipoff2:

BigRedFord04
12-01-2004, 04:07 PM
you should make him type out his recommendations....then you can see thru grammatical ability how serious he should be taken. :flipoff2:

texasxj
12-01-2004, 04:09 PM
well he is helping me a lot w/ the front because i dont know crap about front swaps or ford stuff!!!

hey tate if you ever read this do you have an extra set of the upper coil buckets???

Shaggy
12-01-2004, 04:11 PM
i didnt know crap either and mine came out fine... or atleast it looks pretty sitting in my garage... just remember measure once, cut twice

texasxj
12-01-2004, 04:14 PM
i didnt know crap either and mine came out fine... or atleast it looks pretty sitting in my garage... just remember measure once, cut twice


yeah mine looks good sitting on a trailer!!!! haha

stx4wheeler
12-01-2004, 05:54 PM
you should make him type out his recommendations....then you can see thru grammatical ability how serious he should be taken. :flipoff2:

Oh Yes and austin knows it all :rolleyes: and his truck is perfect to, i mean seriously gramar is the key to building a good rig :rainbow: :flipoff2: .

BigRedFord04
12-01-2004, 08:15 PM
"grammar" has two M's young kevin :flipoff2:

whats the "frame" width on this XJ? i think the trucks those axles were used in is ~34". since my frame is 37" with the same axle, i'd think anything down to about 30" should work and wont require much modifying to make the coil buckets sit at a functional width. especially if you get coils as flexy as the Wild Horses ones. is the setup i mentioned what you think you might use (radius arms and track bar)? if so, and you wanna make your own, i can get some pics and measurements for the extended radius arms from the EB sitting in our driveway. the guy who owns it said they are the best thing he ever put on it.

jerryg79
12-01-2004, 08:32 PM
Oh Yes and austin knows it all :rolleyes: and his truck is perfect to, i mean seriously gramar is the key to building a good rig :rainbow: :flipoff2: .

you can delete my posts all you want but kevin is still short :flipoff2:

texasxj
12-01-2004, 08:56 PM
cmon its all in good fun kevin-no need to delete!! im short too thats why i chose a tiny xj-not really!!! UHOH 3 Pages-watch another 40 pager in the making-i hope not!!

ausitn-i dont know the width-but it aint much!!! i will do some measurements this wknd when i get the heep into my new rv storage/shop!! I would like to stay w/ xj coils but i will prob save time and money going furd. i dont have any idea how i would set up the upper buckets but will figure that out when i get that far.

BigRedFord04
12-01-2004, 09:19 PM
the Ford coil buckets are held on w/ 3 rivets. 3 bolts and some welds down the side would be plenty strong. i dunno how XJ coils mount on top, but i'm suggesting the Ford stuff b.c. i know for a fact that it'd bolt right up to the axle you're using. we made a full width axle fit on Adam's Ranger, but that still might be wider than your XJ. you might just have to spring for some coilovers :D

texasxj
12-01-2004, 09:22 PM
that jeep aint worth coilovers YET???? or my experience! and if i moved the buckets out the top would be in my fender???

ill break in my camera big time this wknd and get some pics if i have time!

BigRedFord04
12-01-2004, 09:30 PM
you're putting full widths on a narrow track vehicle. you'll be lucky if the tire is under the fender.

(heres another great pic of cinder blocks used in conjunction with jackstands :gigem: )

mark
12-02-2004, 01:13 PM
I'm glad I am not your next door neighbor...

texasxj
12-02-2004, 04:52 PM
yeah truck tranny is working again!!!

Shaggy
12-02-2004, 06:19 PM
I'm glad I am not your next door neighbor...

we dont live there anymore... the house was badass but the neighbors called the cops too often(every day)... oh well life goes on

texasxj
12-02-2004, 06:31 PM
hey tate i dont know if your buckets will work or not? was talking to kevin today and looking at the 44-what year are they-do you know?

guess im going ford in the front what coils would yall suggest-wild horses/EB/Jeffs BGY?

bburris
12-02-2004, 06:31 PM
If you research anything about this swap you should be able to confirm this...

The coil buckets, when used in the stock location on a front Ford D44, will be very close to the same width as a TJ or an XJ, or some Grands I supposed. One reason 78-79 Ford D44s are so common to swap into these Jeep models is due to this. There are some people that just swap the entire radius arms suspension onto TJs and essentially have the same suspension I do.

I thought about doing this, but I like my front long arms the way they are so I was going to cut the radius arms down to just use what I needed - the coil buckets. After I looked at everything a little more, though, I decided that it would be a little canadian so I scrapped that idea and plan to just build some coil buckets and control arm mounts on the axle the way I want them.

If you want to use the stock Ford coil buckets, they'll be the correct width, but you'll have to attach them to the axle somehow because under a stock Ford they bolt to the radius arms. If you use the radius arms, you'll have either cut them or use them in your suspension design, and you'll have to mount them to the axle with the correct degree bushings, and you'll have to figure out how tall they make your lower coil mounts and account for that when choosing your lift coils.

Also, if you plan to swap ANY axle under your XJ I hope you have a whole lot of bracing planned for the unibody. And if you plan to go to a Ford radius arm front suspension I hope you plan to fabricate a completely new subframe with provisions built in for the suspension mounts.

texasxj
12-02-2004, 06:35 PM
yep brett-kevin and i gave everything a good talking and looking today. just need to do some measuring and go from there.

stx4wheeler
12-02-2004, 07:04 PM
yeah as for the degree bushings my axle already has a 7 degree bushing correct, i think he is thinkin of using the radius arm sewt up with extened heim joint arms.

texasxj
12-02-2004, 11:13 PM
took a quick study break and found this: what yall think?http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/27.asp

http://broncograveyard.com/products/cat/18/207/23210

eight
12-02-2004, 11:29 PM
Why not XJ springs? Since you've allready got some, build with those and if the heights not right, then order some of the correct lift.

texasxj
12-02-2004, 11:34 PM
well i have the stock ones-robert cook is sporting my 3". dont really know if i want to cut buckets off my 30 and put them in the 44-then i would have to rig up a 4 link to the 44 instead of rigging up the radius arms to my "frame"-I dont have any idea until i get the 44.

bburris
12-02-2004, 11:37 PM
Your XJ coils are the same diameter (or very close to it) as the Ford ones... Use them if you can, or buy XJ lift coils. Those EB coils aren't going to be matched very well too your upper coil buckets since Ford uses a different upper coil attachment style.

texasxj
12-02-2004, 11:41 PM
well i will definitely try xj stuff if i can-arent turd coils in the shape of a d or something?(at the top)

bburris
12-02-2004, 11:50 PM
Yeah, they have the top coil bent around so the retaining nut can keep them in place. Jeep coils are round at the top so they will fit around the bumpstop post, which also serves to keep the coils from overextending and falling off.

BigRedFord04
12-03-2004, 01:16 AM
everybody who's anybody in the early bronco world will swear by wild horses coils. the benefit they have over the superlift ones you saw is that they're variable rate/dual rate coils. if you look at 'em you can see the top springs are closer together than the lower 2/3 of the spring. that top part will extend, extend, extend and give you all the flex you ever need, while the bottom compresses well and absorbs all up travel. most of the work therefore is done by the bottom 2/3. i think using the Ford coil towers with some type of radius arm setup will be a lot less work than fabbing buckets to put on the 44 for XJ coils, and setting up a 4 link. the buckets tate has would be off an `80 or `84 (old frame and new frame) and will work w/ the old style coils (`78-79). 7* bushings will be too much. i've always thought my front axle was pointed a little high w/ 7* bushings and i've got ~8" lift from the SAS. he wont be anywhere near that high. i definately think brett brought up a good point about bracing/reinforcing the unibody/subframe. look into how other people have done it. hurry up and start some work before you turn into the next chadnutz. :flipoff2:

texasxj
12-07-2004, 12:29 PM
jumping the gun but anyway-any of yall have any ideas of how i could set up a snorkel to a carb/top of air cleaner?

uglyota
12-07-2004, 12:34 PM
jumping the gun but anyway-any of yall have any ideas of how i could set up a snorkel to a carb/top of air cleaner?
get a reputable exhaust shop (I'd recommend mcallister's) to route your tailpipe forward to your engine bay and then use hi-temp neoprene sleeves to connect this to the top of the carb.
this will result in a "closed loop" system that keeps your system free of water and other contaminants, decreases noise, and reduces emissions
...drastically
;)

fbronco86
12-07-2004, 05:14 PM
jumping the gun but anyway-any of yall have any ideas of how i could set up a snorkel to a carb/top of air cleaner?

I think ur first problem is carb. Carbs suck

texasxj
12-09-2004, 10:34 AM
well got my storage/shop yesterday. got the heep moved in and all my parts and tools. doors and back off and maybe seats and cleanup the interior tonight??? will post some pics sometime

texasxj
12-13-2004, 08:30 PM
got the insides cleaned out and windows out-ready for a sand blast pretty soon.

uglyota
12-13-2004, 09:01 PM
that's more like it!

stx4wheeler
12-13-2004, 10:21 PM
hey clayton i got the cash a day or so ago man just letting you know.

Sharpe
12-13-2004, 10:26 PM
Oooooo sexy trailer.

texasxj
12-16-2004, 04:59 PM
even sexier heep-all naked inside and out!!!!

texasxj
12-19-2004, 09:36 PM
got doors off and insides cleaned up some more and all in less than a 12 pack!!

texasxj
12-25-2004, 08:17 PM
got a 32 gallon compressor/impact/air ratchet/cut off tool/die grinder/air chisel/2 paint guns. + 4.5 grinder/3/8 drill for xmas. cooking with flame now!!!

texasxj
01-28-2005, 03:22 PM
took 1100 pounds of motor/axles/trash to scrap today got a whopping 27.50!!! 350 is done just need to get some motor mounts. Advance adapters has a set for 200-do yall know of some place cheaper?

eight
01-28-2005, 04:34 PM
You check with MORE? How bout Novak?

It looking any different yet? New pics?

bburris
01-28-2005, 04:43 PM
Novak had the best prices when I was shpping around, and their mounts look pretty decent. If you need any detail pics (I don't remember the ones on their website being that great) I'll see if I can dig them out and post a few.

texasxj
01-31-2005, 05:58 PM
yeah i got more pics-some build-down and LOTS of wheelin. dont have much time to put them up but ill get around to it.

ill look those up here in a sec thx

texasxj
02-05-2005, 07:15 AM
wow im looking at 200 for mounts and will probably be reinforcing the unibody up front-2-300???? About to sign papers on 01 Dodge 1500 4x4!!!! Dont get any ideas its staying the same!!!

uglyota
02-06-2005, 11:00 AM
Doug????!!!!
Are you building a Jeep???!!!!
:)

Doug Krebs
02-06-2005, 01:08 PM
What??? Someone call me??? :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:



Doug????!!!!
Are you building a Jeep???!!!!
:)

agjohn02
02-06-2005, 07:28 PM
i spent about $30 for the gm clamshell mounts and fabbed the rest. i bought the bushings from MORE and built the rest for version 1.0 and didnt like them too much.

texasxj
02-10-2005, 10:46 PM
i bought a electric fan for my old chevy. should i use it as my main fan or aux?

uglyota
02-11-2005, 09:53 AM
primary/only

texasxj
02-20-2005, 07:25 PM
got a little mud on the dodge today in the den!!! pulled my buddys ford out!! that dodge is BADA$$-even w/ slicks!!! didnt feel like making a new thread so i put it here!! i will post some pics from the last 2 trips to the den and local places next week-got 2 tests to take care of first!

texasxj
02-21-2005, 06:46 PM
Pics Are Up Ck Out My Members Rigs

texasxj
03-07-2005, 12:10 AM
got the 3fity this wknd. needs alt/start/carb/plugs/wires/headers and all that good stuff. motor mounts are en route. hopefully by end of sb i can have motor somewhat ready to go in!!!

Violentv8toy
03-07-2005, 12:08 PM
just curious, but how exactly do motor mounts work on a vehicle with no frame?

(excuse my ignorance)

JeepPhisherman
03-07-2005, 02:02 PM
just curious, but how exactly do motor mounts work on a vehicle with no frame?

(excuse my ignorance)

they just mount to a part of the unibody as if it was the frame... dumbass

http://jeepin.com/features/motormounts/motormounts8.jpg

texasxj
03-07-2005, 02:56 PM
thank you garret!!

texasxj
03-26-2005, 02:18 PM
ok yall got the pics of the 3fity couldnt resize pics enough to get them up here but just look in my rig section under buildup pics. enjoy and dont drool to much!!!

texasxj
05-09-2005, 01:12 PM
got the engine bay, insides, and outside blasted and primed this wknd. pics are in my build up album.

texasxj
05-15-2005, 02:42 PM
456s and Master Kit are enroute for the 14!!!

texasxj
08-29-2005, 04:39 PM
very unproductive summer. didnt get crap done on the heep. Between moving and working 55+ hours a week I didnt get anything done. Mainly just bought a couple of things-headers,engine hoist,gears. Got some paint shot, welded the 14, ripped out the sheet metal covering my swiss cheese floor. pics are in my mem. rigs buildup album.

texasxj
10-23-2005, 11:55 PM
well got a little done this wknd. ( :beer: ) Played with the 56"s a little bit, tried to gather all the DBC stuff, blasted and primed the 14 and set gears. still need to do bearings. man those lincoln lockers are hard to get in..........

















ha not really!!!!

CheapJeep
10-24-2005, 12:08 AM
Pics???? Oh wait your camera got jacked. :flipoff2: Sorry I had to. At least you got some stuff done this weekend. Sounds like it might be coming together for the Clayton trip. If you need a hand to make a last minute push to get it all together I'm there with tools.

texasxj
10-24-2005, 12:09 AM
little more than a last minute push and tools try about another 3 grand!!!!!!!!!!! and most of my friends at home have lost interest in the heepie so maybe time to recruit some more hands!!!

stx4wheeler
10-24-2005, 12:11 AM
Sounds like it might be coming together for the Clayton trip. If you need a hand to make a last minute push to get it all together I'm there with tools.

haha have you seen the pics of where he is at now in his buildup.

sorry to be an ass clayton, but i had to lmao....

texasxj
10-24-2005, 12:13 AM
just rub it in kevin!!!!!!!!!!!! one day????????????????

texasxj
11-04-2005, 07:20 PM
stupid newbie question-how do i get the overload off of my 56s? i tried holding the pin with plyers and hitting the top nut with my impact. no workie? my vicegrips walked off so may have to get some more.

update: getting all the dbc ready. picking up 14 tomorow. hopefully will stab the motor too. I got a new camera for my bday so there will be pics hopefully!!! :gigem:

agjohn02
11-04-2005, 08:52 PM
victor wrench

texasxj
11-04-2005, 11:36 PM
oh OK again newbie question WTF is a victory wrench besides a canuter valve puller

bburris
11-05-2005, 12:08 AM
Victor wrench
http://www.mechaps.com/mps/mcf1/bilder/INDUSTRIAL%20CUTTING%20TORCH.gif

Sharpe
11-05-2005, 12:19 AM
Use vice grips on the head and rest the spring on its side and the vice grips against the floor. Those center pins get rusted on good.

bburris
11-05-2005, 12:39 AM
...or put a cutting wheel on your grinder and get it off in about 5 seconds.

texasxj
11-05-2005, 10:10 AM
wish i did have a torch-ill get another set of visegrips today

stx4wheeler
11-05-2005, 11:37 AM
grinder is gonna be the easiest way.

texasxj
11-05-2005, 03:43 PM
just got the vise grips and hit the top nut with an impact and held the springs with a cclamp worked like a charm.

now i need some new studs cause one the threads are stripped. so were can i order new studs?

got the motor "in" still need to work the ears into the mounts and bolt it up. its a ***** and a .5 especially by myself!!

kevin my frame is 38" wide from the outsides

got a new camera for my bday so ill post the pics sometime today or tommorow.

well the fricking 14 bolt is done and all the dbc crap doesnt work. cant find the right calipers. they all keep rubbing on the rotor. ive used 75 3/4 calipers and turned in the el dorado calipers. and they dont have any more in stock-found a different part # that we are going to try.

Sharpe
11-05-2005, 05:22 PM
You can get real spring pins at fleet truck repair centers, bolt stores might have them too. I just use 3/8" G8 fine thread bolts. If you do this you are going to have to grind the head to a round shape to fit snugly inside the hole in your spring perch. When installing them get them as tight as you can by hand.

texasxj
11-06-2005, 05:06 PM
got the motor bolted in finally-PITA!! its a tight fit. had a set of shorty headers but looks like they arent going to work or just take some of the firewall out. got the other side painted so now its even!! ill post pics when i get back tonight

sasquatch
11-06-2005, 10:29 PM
Everything on the motor?

J Cooper
11-06-2005, 10:33 PM
you need center dump headers like mine, that rap right around the block, or just stock manifolds

eight
11-06-2005, 11:08 PM
Socket head cap screws work good for center pins.

texasxj
11-06-2005, 11:12 PM
nope its just the block. ill have some pics here in a little im loading my new camera software

AggieTJ2007
11-06-2005, 11:19 PM
hurry up with the pictures

texasxj
11-07-2005, 12:52 AM
well camera is afu so ill mess with it tommorow.

word picture-just picture a big orange thing in a small jeep engine bay!!!!!!!!!!

texasxj
11-07-2005, 01:39 PM
OK GOT EM UP pics are on page 4-5

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/album98?page=4

agjohn02
11-07-2005, 01:40 PM
looks good in there.

texasxj
11-07-2005, 01:41 PM
i actually have more room up front that i thought its just on the sides and back that are tight

texasxj
11-07-2005, 02:00 PM
i brought my tcase and my hubs up with me to keep me from studying!!! I need to put the th350 input and hack and tap in. and got bearings and races for the 14 hubs. If anyone would like to help just let me know. I think i can handle the input but not the hack and tap and the bearings

CheapJeep
11-07-2005, 02:01 PM
Lookin good.

uglyota
11-07-2005, 02:11 PM
did you hack out your radiator supports and all that stuff? If so you'll probably wanna put it back in...
looks nice and clean :gigem:

texasxj
11-07-2005, 02:13 PM
the one radiator support is there still. i dont know what kind of radiator im going to put in yet-chevy truck or a custom jeep. gonna get all the belts and acces put on and work from there

Sharpe
11-07-2005, 02:17 PM
Chevy truck probably too wide. If you want I can show you how to do the hub bearings...I've done it a few times.

texasxj
11-07-2005, 02:20 PM
ok great. hows weds aft

Sharpe
11-07-2005, 02:21 PM
Okey silly dokey.

eight
11-07-2005, 06:07 PM
Summit has aluminum radiators cheap. http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=4294924500+4294839040+400304

agjohn02
11-07-2005, 06:13 PM
Summit has aluminum radiators cheap. http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=4294924500+4294839040+400304


that's what's in the scout.

agjohn02
11-07-2005, 06:14 PM
Okey silly dokey.


what a fag :rainbow:

Sharpe
11-07-2005, 06:18 PM
Eat me. Clayton, come pick that 14 bolt up.

texasxj
11-07-2005, 06:51 PM
hey robert got your call i was in lab can i just get it weds when we do the hubs

texasxj
11-07-2005, 06:55 PM
ill keep those in mind kopecki prob need to get a set of huggars from them also

texasxj
11-08-2005, 12:09 PM
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=hugger+headers&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&searchinresults=false&N=0&target=egnsearch.asp

$100 bucks heck yeah cant beat that

JeepPhisherman
11-08-2005, 12:23 PM
you can get a 3 core, i think the company is called GDI, radiator for an xj for $99. and I actually might have my old 3 core at home if you want me to check

JeepPhisherman
11-08-2005, 12:23 PM
also, you need a bumper for this thing? ive got a stout one from carolina rock shop that still taking up room under my house along with some other misc. jeep ****

agjohn02
11-08-2005, 12:55 PM
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=hugger+headers&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&searchinresults=false&N=0&target=egnsearch.asp

$100 bucks heck yeah cant beat that


you'll regret it

uglyota
11-08-2005, 03:22 PM
aw, by the time he finishes welding it up and sent out to get coated it'll probably be about even with the price of a Thorley from thedynoshop.com (ask them for internet pricing) :D

texasxj
11-08-2005, 04:22 PM
are those headers pretty crappy or what? im not sure if ill need new ones yet. once i get the tranny bolted in over turkey day well see how it goes.

Garret- I think i had my eye on that bumper before-cant remember do you have any pics?

agjohn02
11-08-2005, 04:48 PM
are those headers pretty crappy or what?




yes, unless you like the sound of tapping lifters

J Cooper
11-08-2005, 04:52 PM
yes, unless you like the sound of tapping lifters

whats wrong with those? those are the headers i have on the truck

BMFScout
11-08-2005, 05:10 PM
yes, please explain.

agjohn02
11-08-2005, 05:12 PM
keep em tight and use good gaskets and they should be fine. ive just heard a lot of people say they have problems keeping them from leaking. i have the thick flange hedmans and i havent touched the bolts since i put em on, and im using the cheapo gaskets that came with them.

uglyota
11-08-2005, 05:18 PM
who makes the summits? Any indication on the box they came in?

JeepPhisherman
11-08-2005, 06:19 PM
are those headers pretty crappy or what? im not sure if ill need new ones yet. once i get the tranny bolted in over turkey day well see how it goes.

Garret- I think i had my eye on that bumper before-cant remember do you have any pics?

yea, pic is too large though, shoot me your email and ill get it to you

agjohn02
11-08-2005, 06:38 PM
who makes the summits? Any indication on the box they came in?


not that i remember. call them and ask.

texasxj
11-09-2005, 08:13 PM
got the hub bearings done today thanks robert!! if i dont go hunting this wknd then ill get the re hack and tap done.

texasxj
11-09-2005, 08:15 PM
i may make a jy run before thanksgiving break to get all the belt brackets and so on if anybody wants go or help! anybody know of any 98 chevy trucks in one of the yards off hand???

AggieTJ2007
11-09-2005, 10:36 PM
there is probably one here in Waco, I do remember seeing a newer chevy at the junyard

Sharpe
11-10-2005, 12:58 AM
I'm game for some junkyarding. Gordons has one late model that I noticed but I think it was hit by at rain or something so I doubt the accesory brackets are any good.

CheapJeep
11-10-2005, 01:17 AM
If you don't mind looking for a fire engine red NBS GMC/Chevy bed for me Creighton I'd appreciate it. If you come across one let me know how much they're asking.

texasxj
11-17-2005, 06:15 PM
ok guys enlighten me on 205s, twinstickabality, adapting, ratios etc. thinking about ditching the 231????

eight
11-17-2005, 07:06 PM
I think you have a th350 transmission. If you have the 4wd version the 205 for a th350 will bolt up to it. Ratio is 2:1ish. Yes twinstickable. Or you can buy my 203 and an adapter and put the 205 behind it. I have the stock th350-203 adapter.

Sharpe
11-17-2005, 07:11 PM
*cracks knuckles*

Lets start with chevy since that is my area:

4 input options available
-Long 32 spline female; this came on later model (~86-91) cases with the round adapter face
-Short 32 spline female; this came on the earlier model cases (pre~86) with the "figure 8" adapter face. This is the one all doubler kits I've seen require.
These two are the strongest and came behind TH400s and later model SM465's.
-27 spline male; this came behind TH350s and was connected with a drivesleeve. These are crazy easy to find and fairly cheap to get. This same input will mate up to a TH700R4 but you will have front driveshaft to tranny pan clearance issues, they never came from the factory this way.
-10 spline male; this came behind all earlier SM465s. These are probably by far the easiest version to find.

If you want to convert one of the male spline version to the female spline ones you have to bore out the input bearing area.

Adapter faces available:
-"Figure 8" this came on all earlier model cases, regardless of tranny. It kind sucks because it uses a really tall adapter that makes it difficult to have a flat belly pan, if thats what you want. Nothing wrong with it though
-6 bolt round; This came on later models mated to a TH400, SM465, or 4L80E. I like this one better cause it has a stubby adapter, this is the version I have in pigpen.

Outputs:
-They came with both fixed and slip yoke rear outputs. Generally, fixed yoke outputs are found on crewcabs and some longbed regular cabs, depending on tranny.
-Slip yokes came on most everything else

-I'm not certain on this part but I believe Chevies have either a 10 spline front output or 30 spline. The 30 spline is stronger and can be found on later models. (Note; Ford's 32 spline front output is the strongest of all and is a popular swap)

Shift rails:
2 shift rail configurations were available. On had one long rail and one short one, and the other had two short ones. Both varieties are shifted together and are attached by a piece of flat steel, with the shifter attaching in the middle. I dont know if one is better than the other. For twin sticking stuff, Google it. You can get either brand new already ground rails or pre-ground factory rails with an exchange, but they're both prety pricey.

Thats prety much all I know. For a complete guide, check out off road design's doubler area, it has bukus of t-case info.
http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/doubler.htm

texasxj
11-17-2005, 08:16 PM
haha robert kinda my fault-i need a ford 205-right???? should be mostly the same though hey bring them shafts over sometime or i may just come get em.

kopecki-yep ive got a th350. I guess its the 4wd version-has a 27 spline output.

Sharpe
11-18-2005, 05:43 PM
Yah I got tired of typing so I didnt delve into Fords. As far as I know ford didnt have as much variety as Chevy, they all had 31 spline femal inputs that are comparable in strength to the Chevy 32 spline ones. It might be a pain in the ass to mate a ford case to your TH350. The TH350 version 205 input uses the small bearing and the ford 205s use the large bearing, so you're either gonna have to find a bearing that has the outside diameter of the big bearing and inside diameter of a small bearing, or machine a spacer to fill in the space between the OD of the big and small bearings.

The adapter is the other issue, since every ford I've ever seen uses a 6 bolt round pattern on the case and I dont know what the tranny side looks like but they're probably not the same as the squarish 4 bolt needed for the TH350. All TH350 adapters had the figure 8 pattern so you're gonna have to figure out how to address that issue.

Clear as mud?

eight
11-18-2005, 06:10 PM
Hmm, looks like the best route is to put my 203 behind the th350 and a ford 205 behind it.

Sharpe
11-18-2005, 06:16 PM
I would agree but it'll cost bout $700.

texasxj
11-18-2005, 08:29 PM
i got on the boards today in the blind on my cell phone!!! wasnt seeing any deer!!! couldnt log on but ill try again tommorow!

sounds good but not for $700

ill read up on doublers and stuff next week and think about it

Shaggy
11-19-2005, 04:01 PM
there are adapters cheaper than ORU's stuff... i believe there are some out there for under 400... i just need to find them

texasxj
11-20-2005, 09:16 PM
so how about just a 205 by itself for a while? I want to get this pile of junk together and rather be spending money on other stuff than doublers and tcases. Yes i know it will still be a LOOOONNNNNGGGGG time before its movable but getting all the drivetrain in and in place will help me figure out how many and where my crossmembers and radius arm mounts will be! I guess someone has done doublers on a xj but there isnt much room under there. The motor is dropped ~3" with the adapters which will be taken up by the bell housing and the bigger 205, more than likely the tcase will have to be dropped an inch or 2. Or ill just beat the rest of my rusted floor out instead of fiberglassing and painting it!!! Next week i hopefully can get the tranny bolted up, floor fixed up and por 15ed, black the 14, roll it under the heep and play with the springs a hair, get the dbc on, see if my headers will work, go pull belt brackets. Doesnt sound like a lot but knowing me i wont get half of it done.

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 10:23 PM
Doesnt sound like a lot but knowing me i wont get half of it done.
Just get after it. I've been working by myself with the exception of one weekend and look what I've accomplished....ownership of a turd. :laughing: Seriously though, it will turn out if you just continue to get parts and work on it. A guy on pirate said, "order or install one part each day or week and it'll get done in a reasonable amount of time."

texasxj
11-20-2005, 10:29 PM
thats what ive been doing lately but i got into the habit of getting parts months before they were ready to install and end up losing half the stuff. right now im gearing up for christmas break!! hopefully then a lot will change!!!! As long as santa remembers to get a welder and small torch for me then ill be ready to go! I do most of the work my self too!!

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 11:21 PM
As long as santa remembers to get a welder and small torch for me then ill be ready to go!
Santa must really like you to get you a welder and torch :gigem:

Shaggy
11-21-2005, 01:39 PM
i gots a welder and torch... i wish santa was generous enough to get me a jobsite generator to run the welder and the rest of the shop... but i dont think that will ever happen

jerryg79
11-21-2005, 01:41 PM
i gots a welder and torch... i wish santa was generous enough to get me a jobsite generator to run the welder and the rest of the shop... but i dont think that will ever happen

for a price, i could pull up the one outside my trailer here at work that is powering my computer out now. I'd need a pintle hitch though. Whaddya say, split gas? :flipoff2:

Shaggy
11-21-2005, 01:44 PM
how big of one is it... and are you serious... i could really use a big one... how much?

jerryg79
11-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Its a full trailer, and no i'm not serious. We rent it for 2950 a month. We've had it for over a year and a half. I think we've paid for it two times over, but when I suggest we just buy one i was told to mind my own business in not so many words.

Karl's dad's gonna be out of town over christmas, so I might have a line on one :flipoff2:

uglyota
11-21-2005, 02:38 PM
how about dropping RSC a line?

CheapJeep
11-22-2005, 12:28 AM
Here you go Clayton. You need to take notes.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415385

texasxj
11-23-2005, 03:37 PM
WOW thanks robbie but no 42s and mogs just yet!!!!

Report so far: picked up flywheel, tranny bolts, lugs, nuts. picked up 14. need to primer the 14 some more and shoot paint. work on getting the dbc together and roll the 14 under the heep for a while. por 15 the rust spots and frame areas. bolt up flywheel and maybe try the tranny. work on getting the rear dump headers on and then end up taking them back and ordering center dumps from summit. Brakes on the billy goat decided to crap out last night, one rotor is trashed, so gonna do that here in a little while. waiting for lugs to come in and go pick up lug nuts and then start on the 14. ill take pics but didnt bring the usb cord with me so youll JUST HAVE TO WAIT!!

CheapJeep
11-23-2005, 09:02 PM
Here's another link for ya to check out.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416015

You oughta build an exo cage like that, scrap all the body work and just go with that. If you go exo, it'll support that unibody alot more I bet, but what do I know?

texasxj
11-23-2005, 10:06 PM
well got the billy goats brakes taken care of. pads were shot and chewed up a rotor. and got about 1/4 of the inside floor painted with the por 15. i used about a cup of it and painted a lot. i guess the 35 bucks wasnt too bad after all. just ate a big ole plate of mexican food and some cervezas and headed back to the shop for a while to inspect the bottom of some aluminum cans oh wait i mean work on the jeep!!!

AggieTJ2007
11-23-2005, 10:11 PM
you should just scrap the unibody and add tube

texasxj
11-25-2005, 11:46 PM
well got the front floor por15ed and the back hatch area. may have to do some fabbing for the dbc??? ill take some pics and see what yall think. hopefully tommorow i can get the tranny and headers in. still need to shoot the 14 black.

CheapJeep
11-25-2005, 11:55 PM
Sounds like you're making good progress. Keep it up. Seriously, you need to run some 38"s, with the threads with XJ's that I've been showing you...they speak for themselves. :gigem:

texasxj
11-26-2005, 09:38 AM
35x14.50x15 nitto muds.but by the time i get tires they may have a 12.5. little wide but for $150 a piece!!! and they actually measure almost a 36.5. 35 bfg muds are like 180 and iroks are 175~. I love my ats so just want to try the muds. then start saving for krawlers!!!

texasxj
11-27-2005, 05:19 PM
well above as been ditched. gonna need 16" wheels with lots of backspacing for the dbc. now thinking about 35x1250-16 nitto muds. dont make a 12.5 15??? rather have a 12.5 anyway, and it will be around 240 a tire.

got the tranny in. wasnt too hard at all really. top bolts were easy from the engine bay. fits like it was meant to be there!!!!! got the 14 painted. not gonna mess with the headers until tcase/s are bolted up. ill have pics up tonight when i get back to cs.

texasxj
11-27-2005, 10:37 PM
pics are up from this wk/wkend

link would help! http://tamor.us/members-rigs/album98?page=5

Sharpe
11-27-2005, 11:14 PM
Whos disk brake brackets did you use? Were they specially for a SRW with dually hubs or just normal ones without the spacers?

texasxj
11-27-2005, 11:19 PM
they were from blackbirds or something like that. i remember telling them that mine was a dually but they said it wouldnt matter. ive got some more pics of the problems that i ran into that ill put up here in a sec.

texasxj
12-01-2005, 06:00 PM
hey kopecki-so you have a 203 and the adapter plate???

robert s-would you be up for a jy run next week during dead days or anyone else for that matter!

eight
12-01-2005, 06:17 PM
yep

Sharpe
12-01-2005, 06:18 PM
hey kopecki-so you have a 203 and the adapter plate???

robert s-would you be up for a jy run next week during dead days or anyone else for that matter!
Hell yah! :gigem: I can go anytime.

texasxj
12-01-2005, 06:21 PM
so i would need to come up with a 203/205 plate and a 205

Sharpe
12-01-2005, 06:25 PM
I take it you didnt win that ebay auction? That was an awsome deal and exactly what you needed.

texasxj
12-01-2005, 06:34 PM
nope kevin allready cussed me out for it!!! i should have bought it then-still a good deal. i was hesitating because the guy who started outbidding had never bid or sold anything so thought he was just bumping the price. well ended up being $460.

im looking for other companies that make doublers right now.

Sharpe
12-01-2005, 06:37 PM
From what I've seen for price you cant beat Wagoneer machine shop. Their adapters arent as baller as say Offroad designs or Northwest fabs but they are functional and high quality.

texasxj
12-01-2005, 06:39 PM
yeah wagner is where that ebay doubler came from. im going to shoot them an email also

texasxj
12-20-2005, 07:06 PM
for some odd reason i worked yesterday and had today off???? anyway got some work done. ordered spring bushings. Need to order ubolts and center pins. started taking off lower control arm mounts-need to pick up some more cutting wheels. started messing with the rear shackles but i need to make the rear hanger bigger so i guess that will be part of the beefing up part. yes kevin i am going to pay for those!!! I wish it was christmas already so i can open up my sawzall and tap and die set and go to town!!

texasxj
12-26-2005, 07:17 PM
ok got some little crap done today. got the lower control arm mounts off-just need to clean up the edges. started on the spring bushings-whats the torch/spray technique again??? i tried using my propane torch and pb blaster today and just burned the edges of the bushings.

Sharpe
12-26-2005, 10:20 PM
Burning the bushings out is unbelievably messy. I've never actually completed it, I tried it once and got pissed off at how big of a mess it was making so put the bushing out and drilled it the rest of the way out. I say get some old drill bits and hog that ****er out.

texasxj
12-27-2005, 06:59 PM
well billy goat is under the knife again. engine light is on so well see tommorrow.

CheapJeep
12-27-2005, 07:38 PM
Hopefully it'll be a cheap fix...my truck's going in on Monday to get the t-case, fuel pump, ball joint boot, etc...taken care of before I hit 100,000 and the warranty goes byebye. What's up with your rig? We need pics if there's been any substantial progress made.

texasxj
12-27-2005, 09:34 PM
What's up with your rig? We need pics if there's been any substantial progress made.

read what you asked. of course havent gotten crap done because i dont have any money.

about the truck- no idea what it is but the engine light came on but the truck seems to run fine and actually i think i have gotten another 1/32 mile per gallon :rolleyes: ahhh warranty

ill get some tommorow of the bastardized sawzalling of the control arm mounts and some burning spring bushings

texasxj
12-27-2005, 09:38 PM
and i go from work to home to microwave then to bed and repeat.

texasxj
12-30-2005, 05:02 PM
ok guess its time to look around for heims. i have looked at several places and thinking about jegs qa1. these are for the radius arms to the unibody on the heep. my tap and die set only goes up to 1/2". I kinda want to stay around that size because i dont want to weaken the RA end by cutting too much out of it but i dont want a little bitty heim holding on to a 200 lb front end. ideas?

CheapJeep
12-30-2005, 05:49 PM
I bought my heims from BlueTorch I think they're 5/8 or maybe 1/2 I can't remember. I totally agree with keeping the size in between, you really don't want to have a weak point either way. BTW suspension are you running? I've heard that R.E. and Clayton both make good kit's. I guess you're going with a 6-8" since you're wanting to run 35"s?

texasxj
12-31-2005, 05:33 PM
4.5 re zj springs and then the 56"s. The zjs are a little stiffer so hopefully they will hold the 350 up a little better and reg xj springs. maybe a hockey puck too. the front is pretty chopped so its no problem but the rear may need to be detubbed??? there already falling apart anyway. i kinda know already how high the back is going to sit. 35s oughta fit perfect. My hero is the man who invented the air hammer!!! after spending about 4 hours drilling/beating on one rear bushing i decided to use the air hammer and after a minute or 2 the bushing worked out. then lubed up the new one and used the cv nut socket from my moms jimmy and just popped it right in. got another one drilled out and just need to hit it with the air! then start on the smaller ones.

texasxj
01-06-2006, 10:42 AM
i think i have gotten a lot of work done on paint. wish it would just transform over!!!

here is what i want to do to beef up the rear spring hanger and it needs to be about 5mm bigger for the shackles. 7/16" plate??? http://tamor.us/members-rigs/album98/Picture_014a

thinking about the same for the front but also moving it forward about 3 inches because the springs and shackles hang out way too far in the back. i was going to put the long side out the back and keep the axle in relatively same spot but from eye measuring if i turn the long side toward the front and then move the mount forward then it should work out fairly well. ????

gonna run to pick and pull again tommorow to try and find a serp setup again.

agjohn02
01-21-2006, 05:17 PM
me likey

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28269

texasxj
01-21-2006, 05:29 PM
yeah thats nice. maybe something to add into my "exoframecagesliderscontraption"!

JeepPhisherman
01-21-2006, 05:38 PM
me likey

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28269

thats pretty much the original chero-manche

a lot of guys have copied his design and it was in the plans for mine before i got rid if that bastard

texasxj
01-23-2006, 01:45 PM
i like the cut off idea but i would have no desire to make it all nice and then slam it against something and it being all messed up. i would just assume cutting the whole back off and then rolling the edges and calling it good.

JeepPhisherman
01-23-2006, 03:36 PM
I dont think its that hard to cut of the back of a comanche and weld it up to the rear of the xj.
cut, cut, weld, bondo, paint, fin`

texasxj
02-04-2006, 03:54 PM
well went to pick and pull this am. got 2/3 of my serp setup, forgot to bring a puller to get the ps pulley off the get the bracket off!!! and i need to get a belt tensioner. no 8 lug stuff. gonna clean up the 205 and paint the brackets tomorrow.-hopefully

texasxj
02-14-2006, 10:32 AM
OHHHHHH clayton likey

JeepPhisherman
02-14-2006, 11:42 AM
do eeet

uglyota
02-14-2006, 12:08 PM
so you're gonna start putting sheetmetal back on?
;)

texasxj
02-14-2006, 02:35 PM
come to think of it i guess yes-fenders and i saw a bastidized set of half doors on that same site!

texasxj
05-17-2006, 08:27 PM
Found this picture last weekend at the lease. This was the heep before the previous owner and I got a hold of it. Just brings a tear to my eye!

uglyota
05-18-2006, 09:08 AM
so what's your estimated date of completion? :D

Shaggy
05-18-2006, 09:56 AM
*** dont say you will only get made fun of

AggieTJ2007
05-18-2006, 11:41 AM
you can just tell us in relation to tate, but I bet it is after tate gets his done

Sharpe
05-18-2006, 12:13 PM
I dunno bout that Creighton. I'll call it a tie. While Clayton's ride isnt in CS so he cant work on it as much, Tate is done with school and is getting hitched which means he will probably end up selling it and buying a turnkey rig. If not a tie my money's on Clayton.

Shaggy
05-18-2006, 12:14 PM
damn that is a long way out... bronco is three hours away from me and i cant spend money on it for a while

Sharpe
05-18-2006, 12:17 PM
Wait a second, Tate, your rig is still in a storage unit in CS right? And you are in San Antonio now right?

Clayton, your rig is in a storage unit in San Antonio right? And you are in CS right?

spooky...

AggieTJ2007
05-18-2006, 12:27 PM
maybe they should just work on each others ****

AggieTJ2007
05-18-2006, 12:29 PM
wait they should just trade storage rooms

Sharpe
05-18-2006, 12:35 PM
wait they should just trade storage rooms
You're a quick one arn't cha? :flipoff2:

Shaggy
05-18-2006, 12:47 PM
how big is it and how much... i would be willing to make a trade

Shaggy
05-18-2006, 12:48 PM
mine is a 12x30 with an 8 foot door... and it runs $135 a month... had to do some jewing down to get that rate

uglyota
05-18-2006, 12:53 PM
maybe you should call for a police escort if you're gonna flat tow that beast to SA behind an electric Escape :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
05-18-2006, 02:12 PM
You're a quick one arn't cha? :flipoff2:

i try to keep up with eric

Shaggy
05-18-2006, 03:43 PM
i am keeping the f150 for now

texasxj
05-18-2006, 06:46 PM
i pay 113 for a 14x32. The heep cant move right now. My goal is to have it movable by the end of summer. (I didnt say under its own power!)

And im trying to get this damn thing out of storage and quit wasting $$$.
I can keep it up here at my work.

Shaggy
05-18-2006, 09:02 PM
where is this here place and do they have an extra one for me

Shaggy
05-18-2006, 09:03 PM
btw mine is immobile until i buy some new ball joints

Sharpe
05-19-2006, 01:47 AM
I thought the jeep was on the trailer?

AggieTJ2007
05-19-2006, 08:21 AM
it is but there is no axle on the trailer yet

texasxj
05-19-2006, 08:16 PM
no the jeep is on jackstands and the trailer is at a friends house!

texasxj
05-24-2006, 05:19 PM
well no progress as expected! Shook the dust off of everything. Got my 315s. Began cutting off rear spring mounts. Which one of you ******* told me to get an xj??? :flipoff2: The freakin mounts are riveted to the unibody seam! got pissed off at that and decided to do something else. Decided to build an axle cart/roller. Well it came out ok but dont think its strong enough to handle the 14b. Start work tommorrow! :mad:

uglyota
07-19-2006, 02:22 PM
don't cut too much!
http://www.trailseeker.com/gallery/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2494&g2_serialNumber=1