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Broncocustom
04-15-2002, 08:51 AM
Who is all going to farmington for the pro-rock series. I was told Dougiepoo is going. and Scott is flying in to help Troy WIN.

redcagepatrol
04-15-2002, 09:10 AM
We are gona bring home some money!!!

go to www.sportsintherough for more details

Krawler68
04-16-2002, 03:09 PM
I'm all up on that action... I may fly out... anybody wanna stop at the albequerque airport and pick me up? It'll give me a chance to get liquored up in the air before we get to the real action.

redcagepatrol
04-21-2002, 08:29 PM
Here are some pics of us putting in Troy's cage and new crossmember.

redcagepatrol
04-21-2002, 08:31 PM
the skidplate

robertf03
04-21-2002, 08:48 PM
Nice looking cage, who bent the tubes?

Hope those beads for you initials don't get the skidplate caught on a rock :D

StevenAg03
04-21-2002, 08:58 PM
The cage and the skidplate both look pretty bad arse....i seen thenm today when troy came by the house....

stinger7401
04-21-2002, 10:32 PM
Why is the welding helmet sitting in the seat and not on your head, welders eye hurts really bad.....trust me. Scott, who's shop is this yall are looking?

Broncocustom
04-21-2002, 10:38 PM
Troy bought the cage already bent. I think in that picture troy was just placing a tack on the tubes and looked away. Troy was using the the Mareks shop in Anderson.

StevenAg03
04-21-2002, 10:59 PM
James knows all to well bout the pain of the burnt eyes....remember when we "tubbed" your bronco james????

BTW: do you have any recent pictures of your bronco?

Broncocustom
04-21-2002, 11:11 PM
That was a very painfull experience and very expensive. The bronco has not changed much. This weekend I primered both sides. Now it looks like a big turd according to Amie. I plan on finishing the putting the primer layer on next weekend and then letting Cody put the Final Green layer on.

StevenAg03
04-21-2002, 11:13 PM
how does it look like a turd cause of her?

redcagepatrol
04-22-2002, 08:05 AM
not because of her, acording to her.

He used Brown primer... It looks like shaat. (a giant turd)

Krawler68
04-22-2002, 08:20 AM
HEY!!!! RJ and I know about wleders' eye too... it fawking hurts...ask James he hooked me up with some badass drugs when i came up to his house crying about it the morning after...

redcagepatrol
04-24-2002, 01:19 PM
You forgot to attach the pic!!

spool
04-24-2002, 01:23 PM
Here is a finished pic of the cage.

spool
04-24-2002, 01:26 PM
Here is another pic.

redcagepatrol
04-24-2002, 01:31 PM
Better get your rocker panel protection back on pretty soon. Is the winch on yet?

Broncocustom
04-24-2002, 09:20 PM
Scott told me today that Gregg Higgs is flying to farmington on Thursday to help out and have fun with Scott and Troy.

BMFScout
04-24-2002, 09:40 PM
The skid plate looks pretty fvcking cool, I want a plasma cutter...

robertf03
04-24-2002, 10:09 PM
the skid plate looks good, but whats the point of it? does it sit higher than the stock TJ plate or somethin, or did you swap trannys?

StevenAg03
04-25-2002, 12:18 AM
the skidplate replaced the stock one....it is kind of like the belly up design...also it is much stronger then the stock one...

BigRedFord04
04-25-2002, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by BMFScout
...pretty fvcking cool...

Fvck! No fair stealing my fvcking ways around the fvcking editing fvcking machine! Fvck!

Seth
04-25-2002, 04:30 AM
yeah austin -- i had NEVER seen that before here........

redcagepatrol
04-25-2002, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by robertf03
the skid plate looks good, but whats the point of it? does it sit higher than the stock TJ plate or somethin, or did you swap trannys?
The new skidplate gives him an extra 2 inches of clearance and should slide over the rocks much better than the sharp edged stocker.

Krawler68
04-25-2002, 08:35 AM
damn I wanna go out there, but it's almost seeming like it would be a planning nightmare for me... it's a 12.5 hour drive from here... and I HAVE to do a workover on Friday...so i can't leave till around 5... that means Farmington by 5 AM NM time, then it's a few hours of watching Troy boy win and back on the road for home... hmm...anybody got any ideas to make me look at this better?

spool
04-25-2002, 09:33 AM
Well we are off to win.

Broncocustom
04-25-2002, 07:26 PM
Your mom needs to buy a bigger truck to pull your jeep with.

StevenAg03
04-25-2002, 10:29 PM
looks good troy....good luck....

redcagepatrol
04-27-2002, 01:42 AM
We are all here, its almost 1am and we are going to sleep. There are allot of trucks here that are always in the mags. I have pics and will post them when I have a connection faster than 26K. We are the second team to compete later this morning (random drawing). Hope we do good...

redcagepatrol
04-27-2002, 08:38 PM
We are 8th out of 14 on the first day. We will make up the points tomorrow. No real problems other than a blown bead (we still finished the section). Troy did lay it on the side in a V-notch though. Saw a few rollovers, cool stuff.
We actually did really well for the first time in competition and are competing with guys who compete every weekend, suprised them all.
Scott
here is a pic fpr Lynda, yes thats her Jeep

redcagepatrol
04-27-2002, 08:42 PM
He never made it up, we made it up with one backup

Jackasic
04-27-2002, 10:52 PM
congrat's, kick ares tomorrow. :D :D :D

StevenAg03
04-28-2002, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by redcagepatrol
We are 8th out of 14 on the first day. We will make up the points tomorrow. No real problems other than a blown bead (we still finished the section). Troy did lay it on the side in a V-notch though. Saw a few rollovers, cool stuff.
We actually did really well for the first time in competition and are competing with guys who compete every weekend, suprised them all.
Scott
here is a pic fpr Lynda, yes thats her Jeep


i might be blind but i dont see lyndas jeep anywhere

Krawler68
04-28-2002, 05:07 AM
nice mods to lynda's jeep...I thought y'all made good progress on Troy's jeep... That was warp speed on Lynda's... the new body is sweet...needs bigger tires... :D ;) :p

StevenAg03
04-28-2002, 12:59 PM
i thought you were driving out there doug

davido
04-28-2002, 01:05 PM
Read again: For Linda, not Linda's. It's the lady's Jeep.

Send updates guys....

StevenAg03
04-28-2002, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by Krawler68
nice mods to lynda's jeep...I thought y'all made good progress on Troy's jeep... That was warp speed on Lynda's... the new body is sweet...needs bigger tires... :D ;) :p

doug...she is probably running 35" BFG's because if she wins the event on BFG's, she will get more money since they sponcer it. If you look at her website, she also has a pair of what looks like 38" SX's

Krawler68
04-28-2002, 04:33 PM
I had planned on driving out there, but I had to work all day Friday and didn't feel like making a 12 hour drive just to watch... I'll make the trip when I can compete... It's getting closer... actually got to do a couple of trails in my EB last weekend.

Yeah I cheacked out her website... kinda cool...kinda

BTW... wonder what the tire companies think of her running a BFG sticker and a Goodyear sticker on the jeep? Seems kind of a conflict of interest...

StevenAg03
04-28-2002, 06:45 PM
im sure that both companies give her just enough money to put the sticker on it...

redcagepatrol
04-28-2002, 09:22 PM
Well we ended up taking 9th and won $70 total. A really basic CJ7 took first and really basic spring under CJ5 took 2nd in our class. It was a lot of fun and we learned a lot. A low buck flat fender Jeep took first in the trophy class. We got a lot of comments on the official hazzard county drivin' school shirts we wore all weekend. Thanks doug for making up the shirts. That's for now we have to go drink our winnings away.

Troy from Farmington on Scott's computer

redcagepatrol
04-28-2002, 09:30 PM
Who said Liberties couldn't wheel...

Krawler68
04-29-2002, 01:13 AM
glad to hear y'all had fun... Never figured my shirts would get taht much press... And BTW...FAWK Y"ALL that ain't no damn liberty...it just plays one on TV>...:D

bburris
04-29-2002, 08:37 AM
the only thing Liberty left on that is the grill, the headlights aren't even there....

StevenAg03
04-29-2002, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by bburris
the only thing Liberty left on that is the grill, the headlights aren't even there....


....guess the took the liberty to remove them....:D :D

Krawler68
04-29-2002, 09:29 AM
LMAO... that twisted customs place does make some bad *** rigs though.

redcagepatrol
04-29-2002, 02:49 PM
Here are the pics
http://www.pbase.com/sas4813/root

didn't get any pics of Troy because I was too busy spotting. Greg has some great video footage and should have it at the next meeting.

Krawler68
04-29-2002, 03:33 PM
http://www.pbase.com/image/1859324

WTF was this thing? Wagoneer? BRonco? Blazer?

It looks like a seriously fawked EB...

davido
04-29-2002, 03:50 PM
I don't know, but it looks like white wagon wheels are coming back in style! :D

I think they call that...

Jeep Thing A La Home Brew

Broncocustom
04-29-2002, 03:51 PM
I liked that big yellow tow rig. The converted big rig.

BMFScout
04-29-2002, 03:51 PM
http://www.pbase.com/image/1859326

was taking this pic as hairy as it looks like it was?

davido
04-29-2002, 04:01 PM
5 minutes later - "Can somebody please pull this seat out of my ***!?!?!"

Krawler68
04-29-2002, 04:11 PM
was the competition IN Farmington or more in Aztec? It actually looks more like the Rock Garden than Chockecherry... and that crazy roll over pic looks alot like 4x4's revenge...

stinger7401
04-29-2002, 04:19 PM
This is for scott and Kinda off the subject but why didnt you ever enter up the red cage truck? From what i'v seen it do and how it crawls it seems that you'd be settin pretty good. Do you plan on entering up the patrol?

Krawler68
04-29-2002, 04:37 PM
it's because Scott's a big puss :Flipoff2: Damn it where are the good little graemlins... :D :D

JB
04-29-2002, 04:55 PM
How in the hell....http://www.pbase.com/image/1858883

Krawler68
04-29-2002, 05:07 PM
hydraulic Ram controled suspension... or invisible ramp? conspiracy? I think so...

mark
04-29-2002, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Krawler68
HEY!!!! RJ and I know about wleders' eye too...

Poor form! Proper TAMOR grammar would be "Me and RJ..."

Thank you for you time.
-Mark

BigRedFord04
04-29-2002, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by JBrown89
How in the hell....http://www.pbase.com/image/1858883

I would also like to know...

StevenAg03
04-29-2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by BigRedFord04


I would also like to know...


if you would read two posts before you, or are you just trying to pad your post count???

doug says, and i concurr...."hydraulic Ram controled suspension... or invisible ramp? conspiracy? I think so..."

redcagepatrol
04-29-2002, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by JBrown89
How in the hell....http://www.pbase.com/image/1858883
Yes, Doug was right, it has 4-wheel hydro's, and that FJ got second place in the trophy class with 37's.

First place went to a small CJ on 37's with a V6

It was at the Rock Garden in Aztec


http://www.pbase.com/image/1859326
You have no idea how hairy that was, he nailed the gas to get out of it.



http://www.pbase.com/image/1859324
That thing was a Waggy, I had to ask him. His son (about 15) was his spotter

redcagepatrol
04-29-2002, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by stinger7401
This is for scott and Kinda off the subject but why didnt you ever enter up the red cage truck? From what i'v seen it do and how it crawls it seems that you'd be settin pretty good. Do you plan on entering up the patrol?

I am going to build it to compete. IE: Turning brakes and a dual stick x-fer case are a MUST. We were at a complete disadvantage because everybody else could pivot around cones by locking one or two rear tires and use front wheel drive only to pivot around.

That sucked for us because we had to back up and lose points to make the same corners.

Krawler68
04-29-2002, 11:53 PM
Amen to cutting brakes...although line locks work almost as well...you just need a little more juice to swing it... cutting brakes with a locker can be wierd if time is of the essence...

I thought that was Aztec... some pretty sweet slickrock huh?

That FJ is awesome...his name is Tracy Jordan and he's been doing ALOT of winning in the ARCA circuit for the last few years.

StevenAg03
04-30-2002, 12:33 AM
alot of write ups that i have read on cutting breaks have been used in unison with an ARB type locker in the rear. How much delay is there in the locking/unlocking process with an ARB?

davido
04-30-2002, 12:42 AM
None, but you have to be going straight so that the pin(s) can line up. If you're turning, then it most likely wouldn't lock up. But if it's turned off, it's not a problem anyway. :p

robertf03
04-30-2002, 01:31 PM
so was everyone there running ARB's so that the cutting brakes would work?

davido
04-30-2002, 01:45 PM
You could run OPEN instead. :D

Krawler68
04-30-2002, 04:35 PM
or you can run a t-case that has 2wd Low range and a front wheel drive low range... that way the locker stays off under power...

redcagepatrol
04-30-2002, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by robertf03
so was everyone there running ARB's so that the cutting brakes would work?
Most of the people had ARB's, but some of them just locked both of the rear tires. That's my plan, ARB's suck

AGRVR
04-30-2002, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by redcagepatrol
That's my plan, ARB's suck

Care to expound Scott? Why do ARBs suck? I'd like to know, since I have them and all. Please tell me why I got ripped? What's better and why?

And to go along with this, Ford's suck...Chevy's rule

robertf03
04-30-2002, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by redcagepatrol

Most of the people had ARB's, but some of them just locked both of the rear tires. That's my plan, ARB's suck

Just locked both rear tires with a detroit, or you mean they had the line locks giving resistance so the other wheel would spin?

If they have detroits how would cutting brakes work? don't you have to lock both front and rear tires on one side and turn it like a tank tread?

StevenAg03
04-30-2002, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by robertf03


Just locked both rear tires with a detroit, or you mean they had the line locks giving resistance so the other wheel would spin?

If they have detroits how would cutting brakes work? don't you have to lock both front and rear tires on one side and turn it like a tank tread?

no....you just lock the rear down...and gas the fron and turn the wheel....it will turn better if you had an open rearend for something like this..

stinger7401
04-30-2002, 09:56 PM
EX: if you lock the left rear and shift the power only to the front, the rear detroit will essentially "free spin". This will cause the front wheels to do the pulling and create a sharp turn towards the left. Its not so simple to explain, its like driving a tractor and using the idependent brakes in the rear to steer in the mud.

robertf03
04-30-2002, 10:03 PM
i understand it, for some reason I completely forgot about the possibility of front wheel drive only. I get it now

StevenAg03
04-30-2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by stinger7401
Its not so simple to explain....


yeah it is.....you just did..... http://offroadrepublic.com/fj40/pics-funnies/forum-thefinger.gif http://offroadrepublic.com/fj40/pics-funnies/forum-thefinger.gif

Jason
04-30-2002, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by AGRVR


Care to expound Scott? Why do ARBs suck? I'd like to know, since I have them and all. Please tell me why I got ripped? What's better and why?

And to go along with this, Ford's suck...Chevy's rule

ARB's are a lot more complicated than a detroit, and occasionally have issues with air leaks, or even compressor problems. This makes less desirable to a lot of people. Too many people have had problems with them for me. The only problem I have seen with an auto locker is that it stays locked, short of being broken completely in half. As far as the ability to continue on, this is a better option for most people.

StevenAg03
04-30-2002, 11:06 PM
hey Kollins....havent you actuall had part of your ARB system fail???? as for lockers....i think lincoln lockers are the best....if they aint locked in, your sh!ts broke http://offroadrepublic.com/fj40/pics-funnies/forum-thefinger.gif http://offroadrepublic.com/fj40/pics-funnies/forum-thefinger.gif

AGRVR
04-30-2002, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Jason


ARB's are a lot more complicated than a detroit, and occasionally have issues with air leaks, or even compressor problems. This makes less desirable to a lot of people. Too many people have had problems with them for me. The only problem I have seen with an auto locker is that it stays locked, short of being broken completely in half. As far as the ability to continue on, this is a better option for most people.

Okay air leaks or compressor problems. Air leaks are common yes, and why? Because of ****ty installations. I have had mine for over a year now and to date NO leaks. Compressor problems. I'll be the first to say that the ARB compressor is a piece of dog doo. It's weak and flimsy. BUT you DON'T have to use an ARB compressor to run ARB lockers. There is a company in Houston that has a cool unit (here's the link)

http://www.gulfcoastrovers.com/all/switch/index.htm

So with this you don't necessarily need a compressor or you can use something that is more reliable - like a belt driven type.

I'll respond to Steve's comment too.

Yes I did have a problem with mine. After installation we found that the pressure switch on the compressor was faulty. We alerted ARB and I left the next day for Las Cruses. We went to an authorized ARB retailer in Las Cruses and had the part replaced for free. Again reiterating the fact that the ARB compressor is dog poo. I wouldn't give up the lockers for anything though. I think they are by far (or really any selectable locker) the best thing you can have in a vehicle that sees lots of pavement. I've put 20K on my D90 in less than two years.

Don't get me wrong. I think Detroits are great. I think it is badass that you can get them from Chevy from the factory. But I don't think they or anything else is better.

davido
05-01-2002, 12:46 AM
I have to agree with Kevin. Speaking as a previous owner (Scott? No.) they definitely have their place. They are especially nice for rigs that see a lot of mixed use. They're also good for front setups (especially if you don't have the 2WD Lo option).

Although, Norm has seen a LOT of blacktop and the Detroit seems to do well. I think that's where Scott is coming from. If you're going to be doing mostly trails, a Detroit is probably the way to go. If you're doing ALL trails, you may as well Lincoln Lock it as Steven mentioned. Very cost effective, as is a spool or drop in locker.

All of these will wear tires more on the pavement though. And when you put 20k mi./year and a set of tires cost $800 - $1,000/set, a Detroit or an ARB make much more sense. It's personal preference. The ARB does increase the chances of something potentially going wrong. But it also gives advantages that nothing else compares to.

The braking thing is pretty interesting. Scott, let me know when you have the system perfected. ~dso

Krawler68
05-01-2002, 08:46 AM
I sure haven't had any problems with my Detroit on the street... except the god awful popping, locking in turns, feeling that my backlash is ****ty and my gears are about to blow up. I LOVE my detroit, but only because I realize that all lockers are basically in the same pot... THEY ALL SUCK IN A DIFFERENT WAY! Get used to their quirks...compensate... I personally didn't feel like spending almost a grnad for an ARB when I could get a lot of HELLA deals on Detroits.

P.S. I've been getting 30,000 miles out of BFG AT/KO's on my powerstroke with the detroit installed....just replaced the tires...

StevenAg03
05-01-2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Krawler68
feeling that my backlash is ****ty and my gears are about to blow up.


maybe this is caused by ****ty backlash and ****ty gears....maybe whoeve3r installed the detroit didnt do that **** right....its worth taking apart and looking at...

Krawler68
05-01-2002, 01:24 PM
It's been like that for over 10,000 miles it woulda blown up by now... and from what I can tell on the POR board my experience isn't abnormal...

StevenAg03
05-01-2002, 03:06 PM
Well bygod....if the guys on POR board have seen it then it must be alright. just cause they have lasted you thins long doesnt mean they arent on the verge of breaking....just pull the cover off and see fi you can tell anything....

mark
05-01-2002, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Krawler68
I sure haven't had any problems with my Detroit on the street... except the god awful popping, locking in turns, feeling that my backlash is ****ty and my gears are about to blow up.

Detroits are not as tight as an open diff. There is a lot of freeplay built into them. It is similar to what you would have with excess backlash.

The only time mine pops (and it is more of a BANG!!!!) is if I start to turn in one direction, stop, then fake it out by going the other way. Its loud enough that people duck for cover. For half a second I wonder what the hell just let go. Then I remember my dead sexy Detroit. But the trick is to act like nothing happened, correct for the locker swerve, and let people wonder.

It is also not happy if my tire peressure is off between the two rear tires by more than a couple of pounds. Then you can get it to swerve by just getting on and off the gas. I like to think of it as a low pressure warning system.

-Mark

Krawler68
05-01-2002, 05:26 PM
I really don't mind much... iut just made for some interesting incidents when I first got it.... It tripped my *** oput when it first went bang...everybody looked and so did I... freaking POS. :-)

robertf03
05-01-2002, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by mark


Detroits are not as tight as an open diff. There is a lot of freeplay built into them. It is similar to what you would have with excess backlash.


how would a detroit affect the freeplay between the ring gear and pinion? do you mean there is more backlash in the "spider gears" part of the locker when compared to the almost nonexistant backlash of spider gears?

redcagepatrol
05-01-2002, 06:23 PM
I thought this thread was about Farmington, mayby we should start a thread about lockers. I liked all of your comments about ARB's and Detroits and don't disagree with any of them.

I just like the proven relibility of a detroit or spool or welded diff's.

I have never had any problem with street driving (over 70,000 miles on detroits) or cared about tire wear (warrenties) so that is why I stay with the simple, always working, no chance of breaking Detroits. Any CHANCE of something going wrong is more than I like. Just my opinion.

mark
05-01-2002, 07:14 PM
As per Scott's request, I have moved the Detroit thread to the tech section.

-Mark

redcagepatrol
05-03-2002, 08:21 AM
did ya'll notice the spare axleshafts?

http://www.pbase.com/image/1858890

stinger7401
05-03-2002, 08:28 AM
noticed those but have never heard of a Detroit Electrac can someone explain this?

Krawler68
05-03-2002, 08:32 AM
It's Detroit's (Tractec's) new selectable locker...it's activated by a solenoid and switch... 12 volts... other than this painfully obvious info not much else is known about how they work or how great they'll be.

davido
05-03-2002, 09:15 AM
http://www.pbase.com/image/1858978

It's amazing what this and some skill will get you. How did they do this time?
http://www.pbase.com/image/1858997

I also wanted to say that this is my favorite rig:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1858976

Sorry Troy. It's just plain PIMP!

Jason
05-03-2002, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by davido

It's amazing what this and some skill will get you. How did they do this time?
http://www.pbase.com/image/1858997

I also wanted to say that this is my favorite rig:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1858976

Sorry Troy. It's just plain PIMP!

You know that is their stock class rig right? That's the original TJ, not fireant.

I agree, the orange one is very cool.

BigRedFord04
05-03-2002, 10:50 AM
What are you referring to on that 2nd link Dave?? (out of the loop)

Krawler68
05-03-2002, 10:53 AM
I think that that IS the fireant... and the last rig is pretty pimp..

JB
05-03-2002, 11:00 AM
I think the real FireAnt has a tube frame, and the one in those pics doesn't appear to have one. But I could be wrong.

davido
05-03-2002, 11:07 AM
The guys from Currie put together a stock LOOKING TJ that has done very well. I thought this was the FireAnt. A basic looking TJ on what, 35? I think it's pretty impressive.

It's also probably a sales campaign.

"Look at us. We have a basic TJ with Currie axles and a few other mods. You can be like us. All you need is our axles for your TJ and you're ready to run with the big dogs."

StevenAg03
05-03-2002, 11:10 AM
here is a pic of the real FIRE ANT

StevenAg03
05-03-2002, 11:11 AM
y uno mas

davido
05-03-2002, 12:52 PM
Ah, I stand corrected. Not the Fire Ant, but they still do pretty well in it.

Krawler68
05-03-2002, 02:03 PM
I didn't even pay attention to the fact that that TJ wasn't narrowed... hmmm...perceptive young Steven

spool
05-07-2002, 06:13 PM
Anyone that wants to watch the video Greg took from farmington we will be viewing it at Jimmy's House on Dexter tonight at around 9. Drop by if you want to watch it.