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usmcagg02
02-05-2005, 08:05 AM
can y'all give me some info about them? how strong are they? width, etc?

BigRedFord04
02-05-2005, 10:01 AM
i know a guy that has a couple pair ;)

Cajun
02-05-2005, 07:28 PM
Hey, I know that guy! Wait...

Mine have been converted to disk and are 74" WMS--WMS IIRC. Strength wise I'd say they fall somewhere between a Dana 60 and a Rockwell 2.5 ton. 7.56:1 final ratio (3.54:1 R&P and 2.13:1 portal reduction), and @6" ground clearance sitting on the rotors. For more info tryhttp://www.exaxt.ca/axle.asp. Pretty good FAQ page, but remember he sells 'Mog axles so it isn't exactly objective.

The biggest problem people run into with fitting these is the pinion length, which you'll read about on the above link.

uglyota
02-06-2005, 10:49 AM
Nathan the gears will be way too low for your DD

Andy are you putting a set under one of your trucks?

Cajun
02-06-2005, 11:10 AM
Nathan the gears will be way too low for your DD

Andy are you putting a set under one of your trucks?

Someday, many many moons from now they'll probably find their way under a CJ-7 I have in a corner.

EDIT: My axles:
http://www.offroadrepublic.com/gallery/albums/album03/aad.jpg

uglyota
02-06-2005, 11:48 AM
ugh...those are beautiful.
are they 404s? is that a torque-tube conversion or is that what they came with?
why'd you buy two steering axles? ;) :D
edit-read your link and got most of the answers...a mog-9 gives you a lot shorter pinion, right? Is it that much more expensive?
so why'd you buy two steering axles? :D

usmcagg02
02-06-2005, 12:11 PM
3.54:1 R&P and 2.13:1 portal reduction
wtf is portal reduction?


Nathan the gears will be way too low for your DD
why's that?

edit: are there any solutions for that pinion length?

uglyota
02-06-2005, 12:34 PM
mog axles have gears at the ring and pinion (normal) as well as a set of gears (the other reduction) that move the drive forces from the centerline of the diff to the centerline of the hub (at the portals). I think andy's 7.56 is a pretty common final axle ratio for mog axles (maybe the highest final ratio you can get for them?). The lowest gears that are even available for most domestic axles are what, 5.71? You're gonna be running some serious rpms at 70mph unless you're running really huge tires.
Look up mog-9 for pinion length solutions

Graystroke
02-06-2005, 02:31 PM
here's a sketch to kind of give you an idea on what's going on inside a mog axle. I have to thank Wolverton for the copy of Etch-a-sketch version 14.0 that was used to create this beautiful and descriptive diagram.

usmcagg02
02-06-2005, 03:05 PM
didnt even notice that in the pic. what kinda size tires would you have to run to get that into normal ranges? ~44? what kinda price range are they?

eight
02-06-2005, 03:40 PM
With 48s and overdrive you'd run about 2900 rpm at 70mph.

If you have a pair of these axles laying around I can dispose of them for you.

Cajun
02-07-2005, 10:10 AM
ugh...those are beautiful.
are they 404s? is that a torque-tube conversion or is that what they came with?
why'd you buy two steering axles? ;) :D
edit-read your link and got most of the answers...a mog-9 gives you a lot shorter pinion, right? Is it that much more expensive?
so why'd you buy two steering axles? :D

Yup, the torque tubes have been eliminated in favor of a standard pinion flange. Why do you think I bought two steering axles?
:gigem:

Since the Mog9 uses a Ford 9 center section, the pinion length is standard Ford issue, much easier to swing under shorter wheelbase vehicles than that Benzo monstrosity. It also allows you a MUCH greater selection of gears and lockers, though factory Mog selectable locker is pretty sweet.

EDIT: The only solutions for pinion length are to use a different center section, such as a Ford 9 (the Mog9 that Eric mentioned). I *think* the final drive ration on all 404s were the same, but there were a couple of different R&P/portal combinations to get there. Some of the other Mog axles such as the 416 or U1300 have lower gears. For the ultimate sweetness, the U1300 is where it's at, think rockwell strength in a portal axle. However, the monster brakes necessitate 20" wheels.

usmcagg02
02-07-2005, 06:36 PM
what do those run price wise?

Chadnutz
02-07-2005, 08:03 PM
My keyboard is sticky. :(

Graystroke
02-07-2005, 08:48 PM
what if you got a mog9 axle and then got a custom gear set from a bonneville speed shop. like some low ratio of 2.5:1?

Sharpe
02-07-2005, 08:52 PM
I dont know if these are the mog9's yall are talking about but the guy who won the 2002 top truck challenge had a set of ford 9" axles with unimog outers in his bronco buggy. I've read that in addition to the wide gear selection, the third member of the 9" center has to be flipped upside down so the wheels will rotate the right direction and also, bam, high pinion. Pimp stuff.

Chadnutz
02-07-2005, 09:31 PM
The pinion is high enough already. Then you have to start worrying about your driveshaft hitting things.

StevenAg03
02-07-2005, 09:52 PM
you have to flip it so that when you have it in a forward gear it doesnt go in reverse. the portals have only two gears. therefore a normally rotating third member would have several "reverse" gears and one "forward" gear

usmcagg02
02-07-2005, 10:13 PM
but there's no way to get them with less than like 6 or 7:1 ratio?

Cajun
02-07-2005, 10:18 PM
Grayson, I would think any available gearset for the Ford 9 would work with the Mog outers in a Mog9.

Flipping the 9 inch center section isn't quite that simple, measures need to be taken to ensure proper oiling.

Nathan, I paid $6300 for 2 completely rebuilt steering axles with custom billet hubs, 13" rotors, Wilwood calipers, and the pinion conversion. They can be had for considerably less, or considerably more, depending on the options you choose. I bought mine in '01, and since they're more popular for rock crawling the prices may have changed.

stx4wheeler
02-07-2005, 10:25 PM
not that ive heard of cause of the two types of gearing the axle has

uglyota
02-09-2005, 08:32 PM
do stock 9" come with any higher than 3.54 gearing? If not, then gearing is not a good reason to go mog-9

Graystroke
02-09-2005, 09:11 PM
you can get 2.73 gears or around there. just look at other vendors besides the ones that cater to the offroad crowd. If you can search for a speed shop that sells parts for bonneville speedsters then you may find something lower. A lot of bonneville cars run ratios in the 2.5 range, they are so low (numerically) that they need a push start to get them rolling, often they are pushed up to 40-60 moh before they let out the clutch in first gear! ...and this is w/ relatively short tires in the 28 inch range.

BigRedFord04
02-10-2005, 01:08 AM
bunch of pics of mog axles in the bruiser buildup

or

http://www.texasoffroad.net/galleries/lonestar/album117

uglyota
02-10-2005, 11:31 AM
a 9" gets weaker with higher gears tho, right?

Chadnutz
02-10-2005, 02:19 PM
All axles get weaker with higher gears because the pinion size gets smaller. The beauty of the mog axles is that they have reduction at the hubs, so they don't need much reduction in the diffs.

uglyota
02-10-2005, 02:27 PM
I meant higher gears, as in less reduction, lower numerically, i.e. I am asking if on a 9" a ratio of 1:3.55 weaker than 1:4.88,
Toy axles get weaker with lower (higher numerically, more reduction) gears, i.e. on a toy axle 1:4.10 is stronger than 1:5.29
I think it varies by axle, though I don't think you're gonna break anything with less than half the stress being put through it vs standard single-reduction axles

agjohn02
02-10-2005, 02:34 PM
the beauty is that in any normal situation the r&p will only see about half the torque the tires can put to the ground. however, if you get a tire stuck in a crack, you can still put the same amount of torque on the r&p that any axle would see.

bburris
02-10-2005, 02:44 PM
I meant higher gears, as in less reduction, lower numerically, i.e. I am asking if on a 9" a ratio of 1:3.55 weaker than 1:4.88
Yes.

uglyota
02-10-2005, 02:45 PM
...you can still put the same amount of torque on the r&p that any axle would see.
and over twice as much at the wheels :cool:

uglyota
02-10-2005, 02:46 PM
Yes.
so nutz is wrong?
;) :D

Chadnutz
02-10-2005, 03:42 PM
Are you trying to say that a 9" with 3.55s is WEAKER than with 4.88s?

bburris
02-10-2005, 03:54 PM
Yes.

Chadnutz
02-10-2005, 04:09 PM
Please explain.

agjohn02
02-10-2005, 04:25 PM
as the pinion changes size, so does the thickness of the ring. im sure the happy medium is somewhere in between, but im sure there are weak points on both ends of the spectrum. offroaders just deal with the small pinion end of the spectrum. we dont worry about the thin ring end of it.

uglyota
02-10-2005, 06:44 PM
I think that's right...like ring gear thickness is the weak point on a 9", whereas ring tooth thickness is the weak point on a high numeric ratio 8"

Chadnutz
02-10-2005, 07:21 PM
Have you ever seen how thick a 9" ring gear is?

uglyota
02-10-2005, 07:30 PM
"weak point" is a relative term

Graystroke
02-11-2005, 06:37 PM
I meant higher gears, as in less reduction, lower numerically, i.e. I am asking if on a 9" a ratio of 1:3.55 weaker than 1:4.88,

to contradict brett, no a 3.54 is stronger than 4.88
a 3.54:1 will have better gear mesh than a 4.88:1. more teeth on the pinion. the only way for it to be stronger is to go up in ring gear size.
think of it this way, (chadnutz touched on it) on 3.54:1 you will have more teeth spreading the torque load than you would on a 4.88:1 b/c the 4.88 needs less teeth to spin the diff/ring gear slower.
and no I'm not talking about chicks from Beaumont! :flipoff2:

agjohn02
02-11-2005, 07:03 PM
grayson's mesh area theorum is correct, but to add to it i think a lot of what pinion strength has to do with is the length of the moment arm created by the size of the pinion. for a given torque input to the pinion: the smaller the pinion, the smaller the moment arm, this requires the force on the gear teeth to be greater in order to transmit said torque. like a lever, try to move 500lbs with a short lever and try it with a long lever. see which is easier.

whereas on the ring gear the moment arm is constant, the only change is the ring gear thickness. however, it transmits its torque through the frictional forces between it and the carrier. so, i dont think ring thickness is as detrimate to strength as pinion size. so, because of this and what grayson said, im gonna say the higher (lower numerically) you go the stronger it will be, up to a certain point of course.

StevenAg03
02-11-2005, 09:16 PM
yalls rational about higher(numerically lower) gears being stronger then lower(numerically higher) is correct with all gearsets EXCEPT the Ford 9". as the gearsets on a ford 9" get deeper(numerically higher) they get stronger because of the increase in contact patch. there is a website that shows this but i cant seem to find it at the moment

agjohn02
02-11-2005, 10:08 PM
as the gearsets on a ford 9" get deeper(numerically higher) they get stronger because of the increase in contact patch. there is a website that shows this but i cant sem to find it at the moment


if you find it post it up. id like to see it.

bburris
02-12-2005, 03:55 AM
I've been trying to find it but the bookmark I had was dead and I can't find it on Pirate now. I thought it was on Sunray's sight, but the info they have on their site now isn't what I'm thinking of...

StevenAg03
02-12-2005, 07:30 PM
it wasnt sunray...but i did find a comparison picture of what the different pinions look like on there web site

Chadnutz
02-12-2005, 07:58 PM
You contradict yourself here.

You said:

Y'all are right about num. higher being stronger on all except the 9".

Then you said:

The 9" get stronger when gears are numerically higher.


yalls rational about lower(numerically higher) gears being stronger then higher(numerically lower) is correct with all gearsets EXCEPT the Ford 9". as the gearsets on a ford 9" get deeper(numerically higher) they get stronger because of the increase in contact patch. there is a website that shows this but i cant sem to find it at the moment

StevenAg03
02-12-2005, 09:39 PM
fixeded

StevenAg03
02-13-2005, 02:02 PM
alrighty...i found the link...

http://performanceunlimited.com/illustrations/gears.html

uglyota
02-14-2005, 10:02 AM
so I'm still right ;)

Graystroke
02-14-2005, 05:53 PM
good info. so why are more people not using a 9"? I'm guessing b/c they aren't full floating? seems more people would be building hybrid 9"-D60 axles. You can pic up housings and third members for 9"ers cheap.

bburris
02-14-2005, 09:39 PM
A lot of people don't like the F9's low pinion... I don't think it'll be much of a problem, but I guess I'll find out soon enough.

StevenAg03
02-14-2005, 09:42 PM
they make a FF kit for the 9" but its $$$$...also they make a high pinion "9"...but i am pretty sure they use a RR 8.8 gear set

Graystroke
02-14-2005, 10:17 PM
I would guess that the low pinion would be an equal trade in terms of overall pumkin size when comparing to a D60. A nine inch could be a feasible optin when you compare what front D-60's are going for vs. what you can pick up a 9" for. How much is the kit-or is there a kit for the front? Sunray does it right?

eight
02-14-2005, 11:26 PM
It's not gonna be close to as cheap to build a 9" front with 60 outers as it is to buy and rebuild a junkyard 60. You pretty much have to buy a 60 to get the parts needed, then graft them to the 9". But if you're going custom axles anyway, might as well go with the 9".

agjohn02
02-14-2005, 11:51 PM
plus, a 9" with 60 outers is hella cool kustom pimp

Cajun
02-15-2005, 10:28 AM
they make a FF kit for the 9" but its $$$$...also they make a high pinion "9"...but i am pretty sure they use a RR 8.8 gear set

I am also fairly certain this is correct.

AgDieseler
02-15-2005, 11:57 AM
I understand (and love) the idea of building the super axle. 9 inchers have a great R&P, and D60s set the bar for steering axle strength. So, why not put them together? Makes sense...

But, what is the strength gained versus the cost incurred when building a custom axle over a plain-jane one?

Cost scenario: building a front 60 all the way or building (more likely buying) a hybrid 9/60 front end. Comparing apples to apples with splines, lockers, gear ratios and so on.

Discounting cool points and bling factor, is the hybrid axle really worth it?

StevenAg03
02-15-2005, 02:29 PM
not at 4500 from sunray....you can get atleaste three sets of steering rockwells for that price...and there stronger too... :flipoff2: ...i say that is the next burban mod...

StevenAg03
02-15-2005, 02:33 PM
found this for the 9"....it retails at a meager $800...

Graystroke
02-15-2005, 02:34 PM
I understand (and love) the idea of building the super axle. 9 inchers have a great R&P, and D60s set the bar for steering axle strength. So, why not put them together? Makes sense...

But, what is the strength gained versus the cost incurred when building a custom axle over a plain-jane one?

Cost scenario: building a front 60 all the way or building (more likely buying) a hybrid 9/60 front end. Comparing apples to apples with splines, lockers, gear ratios and so on.

Discounting cool points and bling factor, is the hybrid axle really worth it?
You're just trying to justify all the money you just spent! :flipoff2:

AgDieseler
02-15-2005, 10:10 PM
You're just trying to justify all the money you just spent! :flipoff2:
Well....yeah. :flipoff2:

Ben97XJ
02-15-2005, 10:15 PM
There is a company making true High Pinion 9" axles here is the link (http://www.truehi9.com/) .
The older high pinion 9's ie: Currie used the 8.8 ring gear.

DRAGOONRANCH
02-28-2006, 12:03 PM
Ok, I am looking to find a set of the mog axles for the beast. Where can I start looking. :cheers:

AggieTJ2007
03-05-2006, 10:06 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/5-99-VOLVO-PORTAL-AXLES-JEEP-BRONCO-LAND-CRUISER-UNIMOG_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33728QQitemZ8044 287555

here are some

Graystroke
03-05-2006, 11:32 AM
those are volvo's...not nearly as strong as mog axles, but fairly strong. I heard you don't want to go over a 35" tire size. are easier to bolt in though, they don't have a torque tube like the mog axles and just have regular style pinions.
would be cool to find some junk ones and bolt those to a 9"

DRAGOONRANCH
03-05-2006, 12:19 PM
It looks like I will be going with the Exaxt 404's with discs if I can ever get ahold of those **** canucks. Me bieng 11 hours aead of Pacific time isn't helping matters. I am not for sure what it will cost me, but I will need to get something that is just about going to bolt up to what I have. I have little to no time when I get to come home to do any wrenching. What do size tires will i be able to go with once the 12'spring lift and portals are under the truck? I am thinking 48" with no problem.

Doug Krebs
03-05-2006, 12:23 PM
Man I think thats going to be hard to do with little wrenching. I haven't done a whole lot of research on portals, but with their pinion being so high and long I know it causes problems with most oil pans.

I know exact had a blazer, so they should be able to guide you in the right direction. Search on CK5, I believe they had a post about it a couple years ago.

Edit: I see you want to do a 12" lift with portals? That is going to be crazy lifted with a high center of gravity. What are the goals for this truck? For bolt in application you can't beat a Dana 60 and a 14 bolt.

Also, I know axle wrap is horrible with them.

eight
03-05-2006, 12:43 PM
Perhaps bolt the portals on top of the 12" lift springs? That would knock the lift down about 6" and put the pinion where it would be with a 6" lift, but still give about 12" of lift. Bolt them on top of 6" springs? Pinion would be in about the stock location and cut fenders to fit large tires.

tigweld
03-05-2006, 12:46 PM
sua portals, that would be cool. the high arched springs wouldn't wrap, so no need for traction bars

Doug Krebs
03-05-2006, 12:50 PM
what side drop are portals?

DRAGOONRANCH
03-05-2006, 01:21 PM
I have a 60 rear but a 10 bolt up front. That is for sure the first thing to go if I cant get a good price on the axles. I am planning on going with a leaves for now, just want to have a little larger than normal trail rig that will handle well on the rocks and a little in the mud. The SWB chevy shouldn't have too much trouble with the portals, especialy if I double up with another transfer case. I will have to have some one put the lift on, and if I go with a 14, will proly special order it with a selectable from somehwhere. The thing that sucks about workin overseas is I cant be there to do the work, but the good thing isthat it affords me a little extra greenbacks to throw at the problem. Oh yeah, any recomendations on reputable lift shops around aggieland?

Sharpe
03-05-2006, 02:59 PM
The only selectable locker available for 14 bolts right now is an ARB and they are about $800, which is more than the entire axle will cost if you go with a detroit. If you do decide to go with something a little more conventional than mogs, I can probably do some work for you, as I am "fairly familiar" with chevies. A 6" lift on a fullsize will tower over most other vehicles out on the trail and still be stable enough to wheel well.

william_ace
03-05-2006, 03:24 PM
if you let robert work on your truck it might end up lookin like pig pen. hah i bet you have a 6 inch lift sittin around somewhere dont you?

Sharpe
03-05-2006, 03:49 PM
Nope, sold it already.

uglyota
03-06-2006, 01:23 PM
I have a 60 rear but a 10 bolt up front. That is for sure the first thing to go if I cant get a good price on the axles. I am planning on going with a leaves for now, just want to have a little larger than normal trail rig that will handle well on the rocks and a little in the mud. The SWB chevy shouldn't have too much trouble with the portals, especialy if I double up with another transfer case. I will have to have some one put the lift on, and if I go with a 14, will proly special order it with a selectable from somehwhere. The thing that sucks about workin overseas is I cant be there to do the work, but the good thing isthat it affords me a little extra greenbacks to throw at the problem. Oh yeah, any recomendations on reputable lift shops around aggieland?
your 10 bolt handled 38s?

Doug Krebs
03-06-2006, 01:25 PM
your 10 bolt handled 38s?

if it's not locked, they can survive somewhat

DRAGOONRANCH
03-06-2006, 01:51 PM
Krebs is right, it's not locked. I just got off the phone with the canucks and they are outa stock and have to go to europe to find a new supplier. So it looks like I am in the market for a front 60 or 14 for the cheby. I have been goofiing off today and made up my own spreadsheet to calculate gearing and axle ratios with a doubler in. Its a mess but it works (I will post it up if anyone wants it, it is set up to calculate up to a 6spd tranny and 2 transfers. You just have to put in your gears.)

Sharpe
03-06-2006, 02:01 PM
6 speed tranny? You splurging on a NV5600 or what? I will keep my eye out for axles for you, how much are you looking to spend. Me and Doug can build you one kickass truck with the right budget. :gigem:

DRAGOONRANCH
03-06-2006, 02:29 PM
Nope, no new tranny for me.

Well, with the portals, I was looking at around 6k just for the axles, so prolly round there or maybe more. I just want to do it right the first time. I have never had the time or money to do **** right the first time. Well now I got the money, so I am sure we can work somethin out. I know that I do not want to lock the front, cause this truck will go to town now and again. It won't see much pavement, but it is not just gonna sit and collect dust either.

uglyota
03-06-2006, 02:31 PM
unocked hubs = lockah no matta

Sharpe
03-06-2006, 02:42 PM
Hippy right, when my old suburban was my DD it had a detroit in the front and it makes no difference when the hubs are unlocked and t-case is in 2wd. If you want to do it right the first time, locker front and rear is the way to go.

DRAGOONRANCH
03-06-2006, 02:44 PM
yeppers, guess i got sand on the brain, or been tokin on the hooka too long. :flipoff2:

uglyota
03-06-2006, 02:49 PM
that stuff'll hurt your motivation

DRAGOONRANCH
03-06-2006, 02:54 PM
all they smoke over here is apple peels and orange rinds, I still aint messin with it though. I have never had to "study" for a piss test, I don't intend to start now. Ill stick with my bud light when I get home. :cheers:

stx4wheeler
03-08-2006, 08:18 PM
ed i think you have a 14 bolt out back anyway from what i say of it on the trailer at our house when you all were loading up for katemcy.

StevenAg03
03-08-2006, 10:02 PM
ed i think you have a 14 bolt out back anyway from what i say of it on the trailer at our house when you all were loading up for katemcy.

can you please translate? at leaste use some punctuation so we can figure it out...

Shaggy
03-08-2006, 10:12 PM
really dude that one was bad

RCcola55
03-08-2006, 10:54 PM
i understood its ok frick

sasquatch
03-08-2006, 11:12 PM
ed i think you have a 14 bolt out back anyway from what i say of it on the trailer at our house when you all were loading up for katemcy.

are you drunk? :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
03-09-2006, 12:21 AM
Translation- Ed, I think you have a 14bolt rear end after seeing your truck at our house....

Sharpe
03-09-2006, 12:22 AM
Full floater or semi?

CheapJeep
03-09-2006, 12:32 AM
I thought all 8 lug 14bolts were FF. Only the 6 lug's were SF?

stx4wheeler
03-09-2006, 12:52 AM
full float

Doug Krebs
03-09-2006, 12:53 AM
I thought all 8 lug 14bolts were FF. Only the 6 lug's were SF?

Nope

CheapJeep
03-09-2006, 01:07 AM
I learn something new everyday....

Sharpe
03-09-2006, 02:51 AM
I thought all 8 lug 14bolts were FF. Only the 6 lug's were SF?
That's because you are stoopid. All FF's were 8 lug. MOST SF's were 8 lug, but 6 lug versions were used in light duty 3/4 tons in the 90's and arent that hard to find. And in case you are wondering, there was a 5 lug version made but I believe it was only used in the 454SS pickups in the early 90s, hence it is uber-rare and would get you a few benjamins.

CRaSHnBuRN
03-09-2006, 02:55 AM
What are the specs again for the 6 lug semi floats? WMS to WMS, spline count, shaft diameter, and ring gear size. Has anyone come up with a disc brake kit for them yet?

DRAGOONRANCH
03-09-2006, 04:25 AM
I'll get some pics and post it up and yall can figure it out. I have no idea. I was told by some one and just took it for granted. I still have lots to learn.

Sharpe
03-09-2006, 04:31 AM
What are the specs again for the 6 lug semi floats? WMS to WMS, spline count, shaft diameter, and ring gear size. Has anyone come up with a disc brake kit for them yet?

I believe the WMS is somewhere around 63", but I'm not positive. Somewhere in the "normal" vicinity of a fullsize rear axle. Spline count is probably 33, why 33 I dont know but thats what the 8 lug versions are so I dont see why it would be any different. Ring gear is 9.5". If the backspacing on the rotor for a 6 lug chevy front axle is the same as for an 8 lug version, there are a few companies that make disk conversion kits for the SF so they might work.

uglyota
03-09-2006, 09:33 AM
That's because you are stoopid.
:laughing:
Ed give the ouversion guy a call (ouversionengineering.com or .ca) and see what he thinks about sprung-under mogs...this sounds like a really kick-ass idea, wouldn't take much time at all compared to building a link suspension, would be original, and would probably stay in your budget. When you're pricing this junk out don't forget that you can't just pick up a set of these suckers and slap them in, you need to consider pinion conversions and how you'll do your brakes (I think, depending what axles you end up with).

Doug Krebs
03-09-2006, 09:53 AM
12" springs are going to flex like poo poo

Spring under is taking away from clearance, not by much but if he's going mogs why take that away

it would however help with axlewrap since the springs are stiff and underneath

uglyota
03-09-2006, 10:02 AM
If he goes with the mogs he won't need super-arched springs, how much uptravel do we really need, anyway? get the axle/wheel/tire combo under there and see where you want them to sit, then find out how much arch the spring will need to make it work. If you can run the stock springs and bumpstops and pull 2 or three inches of stuff, go with it. Maybe it'll take a 3 or 4 inch spring. Or maybe it doesn't work at all and he ends up spending the next year working out the kinks in a 4-link :laughing: