The CheapJeep

[DRAGOONRANCH]

no, he may just generally be curious as he is tryin to figure out how to split money between his offroad and midget thai porn habits. ;)

[agjohn02]

actually, the "who's paying for it" part is rhetorical. just trying to point out its near impossible to foresee every little cost, which add up very quickly. just make sure you have plenty of cushion before you tear it all down and run out of money before its wheelable.

[fbronco86]

actually, the "who's paying for it" part is rhetorical. just trying to point out its near impossible to foresee every little cost, which add up very quickly. just make sure you have plenty of cushion before you tear it all down and run out of money before its wheelable.

I did not know we needed a club mom :flipoff2:

[jerryg79]

I did not know we needed a club mom :flipoff2:

:D

[KrazyKarl02]

I did not know we needed a club mom :flipoff2:

Wow, burned by Mike, how does that feel?

:flipoff2:

[agjohn02]

makes me feel inadequate, lonely and cold. i take solace in the fact that theres a EB out there that still has at least one flat tire.

[fbronco86]

makes me feel inadequate, lonely and cold. i take solace in the fact that theres a EB out there that still has at least one flat tire.

I dont have compressed air as an expected cost. So maybe next pay check I can take care of that. :gigem:

[CheapJeep]

I sent my sbc block out this past monday to be bored and honed. I'll be ordering my 383 kit within the next couple of days and should get the block back next monday.

I'll most likely head home sometime later this week or weekend to work on the Jeep in preparation for TCC. First and foremost I'll be swapping in my fuel cell as well as a couple other small things. I'll also be making new rear shock towers, install rocksliders, and dovetailing the rear fenders. Depending on how things go I might even get the cage work and other tube work knocked out in time. We'll just have to see.

A couple pics from Katemcy back in February

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TexasCollegeWeekend088.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TexasCollegeWeekend061.jpg
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Basic build list of what will be happening after TCC.
-383ci sbc, th350,np203/d20 doubler, fuel cell
-Dodge Dana 60's with 4.10"s welded f/r
-ram assist and rear traction bar
-dovetailed rear
-stinger/radiator hoop, new front half of cage, custom rocksliders I got from Scott
-custom dash with autometer gauges, c.b., sound system, tilt column

[redcagepatrol]

why would you want to dovetail it? Did you narrow the axles? Looks to me like you have plenty of tire sticking out past the body to not worry about hitting it anywhere

[stx4wheeler]

yeah i dont get that either, i think it is gonna make it look funny

[AggieTJ2007]

really funny, only works on fullsizes or jeeps w/ stock width axles. Your tires would stick like 2 ft from the body,

[CheapJeep]

I guess I really wouldn't call it dovetailing. Basically I'm going to start the bend at the b-pillar then bring the corner of the rear fender to where the corner of the tailgate/tub meets. If you look at the third pic you can see a line where the sheetmetal meets near the bend past the reverse lamp. That edge will meet with the seem of the tub where the tailgate opens.

[davido]

I think that qualifies. Seems like a lot of work for nothing. I'm in no place to talk about cherry rigs, but are you really that worried about a few dings on the rear corners?

[DRAGOONRANCH]

If you are just looking to do this for nothing more than some more fab experience and have the time and resources, than I say go for it. Yes, I agree w/ Creighton and David, I think that it may not be worth it, but I aint gotta wrench/pound on it when it gets busted up and broken either. ;)

[bburris]

I think you'll have to roll the Jeep to touch those rear corners on anything... The inside of your tire is almost even with the outside edge of the body as it stands. It seems like that would be pretty low on the to-do list, even just for cosmetic reasons.

[TxCruzr]

I guess I really wouldn't call it dovetailing. Basically I'm going to start the bend at the b-pillar then bring the corner of the rear fender to where the corner of the tailgate/tub meets. If you look at the third pic you can see a line where the sheetmetal meets near the bend past the reverse lamp. That edge will meet with the seem of the tub where the tailgate opens.


Thank you for giving us the definition of dove tailing :flipoff2:
You may not think you are giving up much storage space when you do it but think about all the things you can mount on the fenders...co2 bottle, spare shafts, tools, cooler, etc. something it really going to have to jut out for you to hit your fender like it is now or roll...which in that case its going to hit no matter what. Like Davido said, sounds like a lot of work to be losing more then you might gain.

[CheapJeep]

Makes sense, even with the new rear part of the cage I'll be doing there won't be all that much room. The main reason for doing it would be for tire clearance at full flex. But I'm making some new rear shock towers this week/weekend to help control the tire rubbing I had at Katemcy, not to mention once I build my traction bar. The other thing I didn't like was the old gas inlet hole on the right side but I can easily patch it. Another thing I'll be doing as a part of the tube work will be running tube from the "S"/B-pillar along the edge of the fender following the lines until it ties into the btf stretch frame plate on each rail.

[CheapJeep]

Pulled the th350 and 203 from the frame as well as the springs and other things I plan to sell off or reuse. Chopped the frame and the rest up with the plasma, made some pretty designs in the rails... :D Took the tractor and piled it all on the trailer to haul off and organized everything I kept in the shop. I'll find out tomorrow if I'll be able to get the tube work done before TCC.

[CheapJeep]

I went home this afternoon to see my mom and help with a couple things around the farm. While I was there I cleaned around in the shop and pulled the Jeep off the trailer and took it for a spin down the road. Drives nice but at higher speeds and with no windshield or goggles my eyes began to water due to the wind. Anyway, I grabbed my mom and she took some pics of me doing burnouts in the street. I thought it was pretty cool and so did she until I kept it going and did a donut around her. This is for all you haters that said my 4.2 has no power... :flipoff2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/CoolCars046.jpg
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[95discovery]

4.2s dont have power, thats all photoshopped... wait till you get the 383 to do burnouts :flipoff2:

[Reckless]

Gearing doesnt count.

[RCcola55]

thats no smoke....

[sasquatch]

that motor still sucks :flipoff2:

[jerryg79]

you only did such awesome burnouts cause that cage is so aerodynamic :flipoff2: :gigem:

[CheapJeep]

I do what I can... It wasn't a Ranger or Caprice burnout though.:gigem:

The 2nd and 3rd pics were from the first burnout but my mom wasn't satisfied, (hence the previous burnout marks leading to donut in the first pic).

[BMFScout]

You're halfway on the road and halfway in dirt, these pics suck you're not a Duke Boy. Creighton showed you up, and if my Scout could've stayed in first this would have been way smokier. Come back when you have some Chevy power *****!

[CheapJeep]

You're halfway on the road and halfway in dirt
Wrong... It's all pavement up to the grass, the "dirt" you're seeing is just leaves, gravel, etc. I will admit they were small burnouts, but having my mom take pics of it made it cool. I would've stayed on it until they started white smoking but she didn't think that was such a great idea...

[CheapJeep]

Wait a minute! You're no Duke Boy either using water as an aid. I think Creighton's burnout should be void as well since he used a compact car spare tire. Smokin' 38"x15.50"s with a 4.2 is a little different, get in the game son! :flipoff2: Oh and I got my block back from being bored and have the stroker kit and everything else ready to assemble. 383 will be ready to go in, in no time.

[BMFScout]

There was no water where I was smoking it. See how it stops just behind my truck and doesn't really extend out to the tires? I didn't think the Scout would white smoke it until I tried it, but it did it easy. I just wish it would stay in first, because it shifted into first at 3K RPM or so. If I could have kept it just under 4k and modulated, the smoke show would have been awesome, but once it shifted into second the smoke went away and it wanted to cruise on down the parking lot. The 4.2 is gay, get the SBC in there.

[RCcola55]

:flipoff2: 4bangers are where its at

[CheapJeep]

Made some "adjustable" rear shock tower tabs, need to weld them on. Also got the fittings I needed for my fuel cell, it's in and ready to go.

[redcagepatrol]

We should start a burnout thread...

[sasquatch]

we did burnouts with three different vehicles in the dexter cul-de-nut sac this afternoon

[RCcola55]

We should start a burnout thread...

ide win.

[CheapJeep]

Here's a couple pics of my block after I got it back from being bored and the good's. I painted it silver for a different look than the standard black or chevy orange.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC00009.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC00008.jpg

[robertf03]

I painted mine silver too

[colman]

you should paint it green to make it match the cage

[agjohn02]

I painted mine silver too


what?!?! you got something done?

[CheapJeep]

More work done today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC00013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC00014.jpg

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[redcagepatrol]

I think you should change your screen name :flipoff2:

[fbronco86]

I think you should change your screen name :flipoff2:

Yeah this guy has more money in his engine than I do in my whole truck. :gigem:

[colman]

too bad you didn't find a different motor to do that to if i remember correct there wern't to many miles on that one, you should have found a junker ot rebuild considering all of the new parts

[fbronco86]

too bad you didn't find a different motor to do that to if i remember correct there wern't to many miles on that one, you should have found a junker ot rebuild considering all of the new parts

There is some peace of mind of knowing whats in your engine. I put 3 different 302's in my 86 bronco that were "rebuilt". I think the longest an engine everlasted was about 30,000 miles.

[CheapJeep]

The Jeep's as ready as it will get for TCC. Fuel cell is in, fuel lines, rear shock mounts welded in, and rock sliders welded on for now. In time I will clean them up by bolting them on with torx heads or something else to give it a cleaner look. For now they'll keep the rat rod look with an unfinished surface and tack welds.

I might need to think of a new name, I need something more fitting. Overall, since beginning the hunting and collection of parts for the upcoming final buildup summer I've managed to keep costs relatively low. That's not to say this has been "cheap" but it's really no one elses business.

When I began the motor build I checked the block numbers and found it to be an 85 crate motor. After tear down and inspection it proved to be just as Colman said, low miles and little use/wear. I purchased the stroker kit through a wholesaler which came with everything I needed to build it right. The rod's are Scat 5.7" forged 4340 with ARP 3/8" 8740 bolts. Scat series 9000 lightweight 400 crank 3.75" stroke. Speedpro Hypereutectic dished and coated full floating +.30 383 pistons. Engine Pro RV cam and double roller timing chain, Mellings high flow oil pump. I'm using the stock heads ported and polished, stock rocker arms or roller tips, etc. Intake manifold is an Edelbrock Performer with a Quadrajet 650cfm 4bbl. It'll be a great setup combined with the th350, 203/d20 doubler, and dodge 60's with stock 4.10"s welded f/r. It won't be crazy low gearing but I'm fine with that. I know some might question the durability of the 203/d20 doubler but I've researched it thoroughly via "BillaVista's 203/d20 article" and I'm not concerned. I'll be staying with the relatively low cost theme by using parts that I already have such as the 203/d20 and welded stock geared 60's.

Saturday after I ran out of mig wire...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Home001.jpg

Today
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[sasquatch]

Overall, since beginning the hunting and collection of parts for the upcoming final buildup summer I've managed to keep costs relatively low. That's not to say this has been "cheap" but it's really no one elses business.

you should know by now that on these forums, anything you post here is everyone's business

[AggieTJ2007]

did you make those sliders or buy them

[CheapJeep]

I got them from Scott a long time ago. He told me that a friend of his made them and that he had intended to use them on Lynda's CJ but they were too short (made for a CJ-5). I had to notch them with the plasma in order to fit around my cage and I welded some maltese crosses on the sides opposite of the Texas.

[redcagepatrol]

yep - those sliders are sweet

[CheapJeep]

yep - those sliders are sweet
I got em' from a cool dude. :gigem:

I remember you telling me about fastening them with some nice looking hardware like torx heads. I'm going to do that and make it look clean once I add some tube steps and paint em.

[AggieTJ2007]

why dont you weld them to the body in the speed holes, that would look sweet with some good welds

[bburris]

It looks like someone already put a few welds on them.

[colman]

might as well just take the windshield off now since there is no glass in it anyways, might even tow a little better

[CheapJeep]

I started taking the windshield off awhile back then ended up snapping a couple of the old rusted torx heads on the hinges and just left it alone. I've had plenty of other more important odds and ends to take care of to worry about it right now. No worries as it'll be gone soon enough when the tube work begins.

I did run a couple beads around the edges of the sliders then added a couple small tacks/beads in the speedholes. I ran out of wire on saturday and was in a hurry today so I didn't have time to decide on whether or not I'll burn em' in completely or add torx bolts later. When my dad bought the mig from Bill he said it had been rebuilt a couple times. In the past you'd have to run it pretty hot to make good welds but I messed with it a little today before I did the passenger side slider. After changing out the spool and making several adjustments it's working like a champ for a little 175 even at lower amps and voltage.

[CheapJeep]

More 383 pics...

Installing crank
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383Stroker3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383Stroker31.jpg

Crank, Main bearing caps, cam, timing chain installed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383Stroker32.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383Stroker41.jpg

1,3, and 5 pistons in for pre-assembly test fit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383Stroker43.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383Stroker35.jpg

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[uglyota]

You're going to ADD torx bolts to a Jeep? Cmon go with allen heads, phillips head, anything but torx!

[TexTJ209]

You're going to ADD torx bolts to a Jeep? Cmon go with allen heads, phillips head, anything but torx!


Yeah no ****. Torx is the debil!

[AggieTJ2007]

SS allen head are cool

[Reckless]

Carriage bolts, no head at all to strip.

[AggieTJ2007]

they don't work well in metal, you just end up stripping out the holes

[TxCruzr]

they don't work well in metal, you just end up stripping out the holes

4+ years and I beg to differ :flipoff2:
It's not like your taking them on and off all the time so they're really not going to get stripped.....if they do, weld the fookers :gigem:

[CheapJeep]

More 383 pics... I'll have it finished on wednesday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/3839.jpg
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[CheapJeep]

Got the 383 finished up and hauled it home to Conroe. I went by Smiley's to pick up some stuff that I needed to get it setup how I want. While I was standing at the counter I turned and noticed a familiar face, Scott. He busted me purchasing not so cheap goodies and reminded me about finding a new name... :p

My dad's picking up an engine hoist and stand for me tomorrow since I didn't get a chance to. I accidentally bent some of the wire mesh on one of the breather filters. I ended up scrapping the stock quadrajet rebuild idea in favor of a Willy's performance offroad 2bbl 550cfm and performance fuel pump that I've heard good things about. Also picked up an MSD complete HEI kit, Moroso plug wires, and pro comp aluminum valve covers.

Pics. Sorry they're crappy, I didn't have my camera and took them with my phone.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383build4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383build3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383build2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/383Build11.jpg

[agjohn02]

550 cfm will be plenty, but a 2 bbl sure will look funny on that thing.

[CheapJeep]

Yeah I was pretty skeptical about it when I was over there a few weeks ago and talked with a couple guys. They brought up several benefits and good points about better fuel delivery at lower rpm's and throughout the power band compared to quadrajets and other 4bbls that seem to lag. They have an order out for the adapter plate I want which is better quality and should yield a few extra hp. It'll be in sometime next week.

[RCcola55]

you still need to let me work over those heads

[Shaggy]

you think the guy could afford a 40$ engine stand... sheash

[mudtoy67]

you think the guy could afford a 40$ engine stand... sheash

What do you think this is? "ExpensiveJeep"? :flipoff2:


I'll be interested to see how the 2bbl does. The guys I know running Late Model Stock cars all swear by the high cfm 2bbl. But they're also running high RPMs, which makes me worry about using it in a crawling situation. You may also want to look into putting a PCV valve in the cover with no breathers. The vacuum on the crankcase is supposed to help the rings seal better and give more efficient combustion.

[agjohn02]

I'll be interested to see how the 2bbl does. The guys I know running Late Model Stock cars all swear by the high cfm 2bbl. But they're also running high RPMs, which makes me worry about using it in a crawling situation.


i agree. the guys running 2bbl in racing are only doing it because rules say they have too. classes like that are the only reason big 2bbl exist.

what worries me about it is the off-idle response. the butterflies open much faster. if you crack two big barrels open 1/8" it'll flow a lot more than the two small barrels of a 4bbl with the same throttle input.

[AggieTJ2007]

First off why no Fuel Injection. All this money to not even put TBI on it and make it run 100% better. Maybe I missed that

John don't worry about the throttle respose robby just hammers on it anyways


EDIT: with all that shiny stuff don't you think you should get a polished intake or something

[73bronco]

should've stuck with the Q-jet. They get awesome mileage as long as you stay out of the secondaries, and when you do get into the secondaries you've got more cfm than you'll ever need

[CheapJeep]

On lunch break so I gotta make this quick.

Creighton- I decided not to go with fuel injection because of costs and all the little odds and ends with sensors, wiring, program, etc... The intake is an Edelbrock performer but I need to clean it up a bit.

Junior brought up a good point while talking with me at TCC after seeing Ed's Beast kickass. He told me about a propane kit but I forget the company. I may go with propane but that's still a long ways off. I'm pretty interested to see how the Willy's carb does as well since I've been hearing alot of good reviews about it. We'll just have to see.

[Graystroke]

two barrel will wind up faster and gives better low end than a four barrel. it won't have the top end of a four that's why the circle guy use them. they aren't turning that ridiculous of an RPM. they give you lots of power out of the corners. some of my studebakers have two barrels and they are better off the line up to about midrange (where secondaries would kick in).....that's why a lot of trucks and boats had two barrels b/c of the low end torque and there is no transition when the secondaries kick in. a two barrel will produce very smooth power delivery.
a two barrel would work really great on a short stroke engine...like a 302 or 327..it will be interesting to see how it works on a 383

[AggieTJ2007]

for propane conact Carey at GotPropane.com. His kit is a little pricey but very complete, it even comes with the air cleaner

[DRAGOONRANCH]

[hank hill] Another satisfied customer. [/hank hill]

:gigem:

[stx4wheeler]

ive got a 2 barrel on my 460 its a motorcraft that is like 550 and i have no complaints. It runs very well off- camber except for going down steep hills.

[CheapJeep]

Picked up 1 tons and t-case from Ft. Worth today. Also picked up the adapter for my carb/intake the other day.

[CheapJeep]

Pics of stuff stocked up, build is underway...

Dodge dana 60 front.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Dana60sShop001.jpg

Dodge dana 70 rear.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Dana60sShop003.jpg

Dodge np205
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Dana60sShop007.jpg

Chevy th350 and np203, misc. parts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Dana60sShop009.jpg

383 strapped to engine hoist.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Dana60sShop012.jpg

[DRAGOONRANCH]

You gonna take the time to clean the axles and such up and paint them first? I only ask because I wish I had tried to take the time to do it to mine while I had them apart. Looks like either way you got plenty of stuff to take up your spare time. ;)

[HULK-1]

I also think during your spare time you should box that frame, especially running a 383 and one ton stuff

[CheapJeep]

Yep, that's the plan. I learned from my mistakes on the first go around. I'm going through both axles and rebuilding them. I'm doing some extensive frame and tub work while the old drivetrain is out since I have more room as well. More pics to come.... :D