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CheapJeep
09-10-2005, 11:58 AM
Okay here's some pics of my project that I've been working on, it's a 74 CJ-5 stretched a couple inches, Blue Torch Fab full width kit, Rubicon Express YJ Extreme Duty 1.5" SOA springs, Rubicon Express 1" YJ shackles, Custom made rear spring buckets to match the front, d44 from a dodge with 4.56"s and lincoln locked, rear Ford 8.8", powertrax locker, 4.56"s, Pro Comp shocks, and the list continues. Before you see the pics just know that the scaff "lift" is supported by I-beams across the tops, supported with 1 ton hoists at each corner, safety chain, and more, yes in the pics I did remove the front cross support for pics. Hope you enjoy seeing a cheap lift instead of a few thousand dollar one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep003.jpg
The Good's-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep008.jpg
New Axles
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep013.jpg
Old stock axles-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep012.jpg
Yes its a 54" d44
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep015.jpg

The BTF kit welded on and RE springs just hanging, not tightened down. The pics suck cuz the lights are off
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep026.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep025.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep027.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep029.jpg

Hope ya'll like it, I'm hoping to have it done soon, I just gotta get school work done so I can go home to Conroe and work on it.

Jackasic
09-10-2005, 02:04 PM
looking good, where is the shop at?

stinger7401
09-10-2005, 02:59 PM
looks great! But please, take it from someone who has been down your road, before you do anything else you need to box in the entire frame and make some additional cross member supports. If you have any questions or advice please let me know, had the same thing you have.



....gawd that all looks familiar :gigem:

Matt Conlee
09-10-2005, 03:07 PM
while you are at it you may want to move your rear axle back to improve your wheelbase. CJ5s get tippy when there that tall.

CheapJeep
09-10-2005, 03:51 PM
Jackasic- the shop is at my house/farm in my hometown of Conroe.
Stinger7401- Yea I was planning on boxing the rest of it, I actually was checking out your old 5 at the meeting last wednesday, hope you don't mind me stealing ideas. ;) If you wouldn't mind, I'd love to know what material you used to box in your frame and as well where you placed your crossmembers.
Matt- I actually stretched it back a couple of inches but the problem you run into is that in order to stretch it further you would need to cut the frame from the rear wheelwell back since it bends and replace it with straight rail. I just don't feel the need since I'll only be running 36"s or 37"s, Irocs or TSLs.
-If anyone else has any comments or advice it'd be greatly appreciated, I am in need of help on this one. There are so many different setups and ideas to incorporate I can't think of all of them, just as well, if anyone wants to come down to Conroe to help me and use my welder's or any other gear just call or pm me. I really need help. :gigem:

stinger7401
09-10-2005, 04:47 PM
Yes, well you see, I never really made it to the boxing the frame part :D . I would highly recommend it though if you plan on doing any type of wheeling. Take a look at CJ'S cj5 and see how they extended the frame on it, yes it does involve some fender trimming but running anything larger than a 35" tire does make for some very tippy action on the stock wheelbase.


Vaguely familiar?

http://www.tamor.org/members-rigs/albums/Nick_Sirianni/DSCF2123.sized.jpg


And as to stealing ideas, everything on that jeep was patented by me so as I see it you owe me some royalties :flipoff2: :gigem:

-Nick

J Cooper
09-10-2005, 05:11 PM
2" up front. 10" in the rear

Chadnutz
09-10-2005, 06:26 PM
That heap gives me a woody.

CheapJeep
09-10-2005, 11:31 PM
Thanks guys, I just got back from Ag Kickoff, it was kicka$$, Aaron Watson was best not to mention some ice cold beverages to help.. Thanks stinger, I do owe you some royalties, maybe some frosty beverages??? ;) I like how CJ's 5 looks, I'd seen pics of it before, it just seems like alot of stretch for not so much tire, but I guess it'd be worth it when it came to crawlin'. I just didn't think it'd make much difference between stock with 35's and stretched with 36's. I have pics of a 5 on my phone of a guy full width with 38's stock length, but I can see where the extra wheelbase would be helpful with that.
Chadnutz- I hope you're not getting a wood over mine, just wait til it's done... :flipoff2:

Chadnutz
09-11-2005, 10:16 AM
My wood was over CJs. Maybe yours will stroke me the same way in time. :flipoff2: My wheelbase is 111" and I run 36s. The setup worked pretty well if you don't count the steering and a flimsy crossmember.

stinger7401
09-11-2005, 12:58 PM
At full widths and a stock wheelbase the jeep is wider than it is long which equates to a terrible situation in off camber obstacles.

Matt Conlee
09-13-2005, 09:28 PM
That heap gives me a woody.

Thats an impossible feat. :flipoff2:

eight
09-13-2005, 10:28 PM
I say stretch it more. You can get about 2" on the front by redrilling the spring perch center pin holes. Do you really need to worry about the place where the frame rail bends, do you need that extra clearance with the lift? You can at least redrill the center pin holes in the rear axle perches to get another 2" or so out of it. Try to make it at least 90". My jeep's about 105", and that has worked great with 33s, 35s, and 36s. The stretch on the back will also help out with driveline angles. 36-37" tires are kinda on the larger size for this group. You will have quite a bit of lift with SOA, that shackle reversal, and those springs, about 9". Nick's was probably around 6", maybe less. Where's that video of Nick in Colorado???????

What's the engine/transmission/transfercase?

CheapJeep
09-13-2005, 11:20 PM
Well the problem with stretching the rear where the frame bends is that the rear spring buckets don't have a flat spot to weld onto, I mean you can't weld it into the bend. I'll try to get someone here to come back to Conroe for a day or so to help mount the axles and drill the perch holes like you said, hopefully some free cerveza will entice someone. As for the drivetrain, the motor is the stock 258 rebuilt, new carb, header, exhaust, distributer and wires, stock model 20 t-case, and t-90 3spd. trans.

eight
09-13-2005, 11:24 PM
You can't make a flat spot?

CheapJeep
09-13-2005, 11:54 PM
Well truthfully I actually measured the whole thing and tacked it all into place, I was going to use some 2"x1/4" flat steel to reinforce it until my pops came out to inspect and made me grind it all off. The bucket's he made for me match the front on the BTF kit, but you can't mount them unless it's on a flat spot which I pointed out to him, but he said he didn't like the structural integrity of the frame to bucket ratio. Basically a bunch of B.S. but he's funding the project so I'll follow his lead, he does build/race blown alcohal rail cars on the side so I don't question him... I'm sure I can persuade him into something. So with it stretched already by 3-4"s plus 2"s front and rear with the perches, I'm lookin' at 7-8" give or take of stretched wheelbase.

uglyota
09-14-2005, 12:06 AM
just cut the frame off and link it. Otherwise you're just postponing the inevitable :)

Sharpe
09-14-2005, 12:10 AM
Well you could use longer leaf springs in the back. Ones with offset center pins such as Chevy 56" rears or Ford 57" rears (I think) would work perfectly and move the axle back more.

Matt Conlee
09-14-2005, 03:09 PM
you can always use these for a little more length. Every bit helps

Shaggy
09-14-2005, 05:25 PM
seems like that would create axle wrap

TxCruzr
09-14-2005, 05:37 PM
With a spring over, axle wrap is something that more than likely will happen. Wheelbase is your friend when you have something short.

eight
09-14-2005, 06:04 PM
Those plates do the same as redrilling the perches, except they'll probably add another 1/2"ish lift. I don't think it'd be a good idea to combine those with redrilled perches. Allthough 57" ford springs are offset, the short side is still 25", and half a yj spring is 22.5". I think there are some toyodie springs with a shorter short side.

It probably won't have much axle wrap with those RE springs.

uglyota
09-14-2005, 06:12 PM
I think the short side on yota rears is still 22"

CheapJeep
09-14-2005, 07:27 PM
Well linking it right now is out of the question cuz I don't have the money for coilovers. The RE springs prevent much of the possible axle wrap but I might go ahead and fab up some traction bars to help improve traction. For sure drilling out the perches will happen though.

AggieTJ2007
09-14-2005, 09:50 PM
hell you don't need coilovers all you need is some xj or tj front springs and build retainers for them, then you can add coilovers later.

aggieblazer07
09-15-2005, 11:07 AM
no more using the shackles as tow points!

:gigem: finally

Sharpe
09-15-2005, 11:07 AM
oh yeah and we'll be building a bumper for the ugly truck. :D
hear that hensel? no more using the shackles as tow points!
Booooo...that would have led to some good carnage sooner or later. :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
09-27-2005, 05:33 PM
Ill come down there in a couple of weeks, It all depends on work and who else is going to be there working

AggieTJ2007
09-28-2005, 11:09 PM
lets go next weekend, I have to work this weekend

CheapJeep
09-28-2005, 11:15 PM
Damn straight. :cheers:

J Cooper
09-28-2005, 11:17 PM
next weekend id be down


and i still think you should run 35s :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
09-28-2005, 11:26 PM
Mark, the guy I bought the axles from had em' under his old dodge with 38"s before he went to 60's and 42"s. He told me how he went through plenty of hubs due to the weight of the dodge and tires, but he said since the jeep is light that I'd probably be Ok. But I think after talking to ya'll I'll stick to a set of 36 or 37" Iroks. I hear they're lighter than TSL's and a little bit more accurate when it comes to true size. Cody's look good on his YJ, so I'll probably end up with the same. As for next weekend, bring it on, we'll have a good time.

eight
09-28-2005, 11:36 PM
35s are the biggest I'd want to run on a d44. Or maybe 36s weren't bad either. I think jeep did better with 35s on the d44 than it would have with 38s because I didn't really have to worry about breaking it all the time. Just burn the 35s untill they're hot, it'll go. I've got huge hubs that don't break.

Before you bolt up those axles, take out your biggest grinder and shave them. You should also build a diff guard.

HULK-1
09-29-2005, 12:25 AM
I'd be down for going to help you robert, I just have to check my work schedule

AggieTJ2007
09-29-2005, 05:50 PM
what type of welders do you have?

CheapJeep
09-29-2005, 08:00 PM
Mig millermatic 175, and a tractor supply Arc.

AggieTJ2007
09-30-2005, 05:50 AM
sweet...and I assume you are running gas w/ the mig?

CheapJeep
09-30-2005, 10:05 AM
Yes indeed. :flipoff2:

sasquatch
09-30-2005, 11:56 AM
I think pretty much all miller migs run gas.

AggieTJ2007
09-30-2005, 01:46 PM
I think pretty much all miller migs run gas.

Wrong there are many millers that will run flux core.

chevsu
09-30-2005, 02:19 PM
my miller flux core welders use gas. :flipoff2:

CRaSHnBuRN
09-30-2005, 03:30 PM
most migs come ready to weld with flux, but can also run gas if you want to add the tank

eight
09-30-2005, 03:59 PM
And you can load any mig that uses gas with flux core and actually get some good strong welds with it, instead of the crappy welds from solid core.

AggieTJ2007
09-30-2005, 04:09 PM
If you have a good mig, you can lay some good strong beads, you just have to know how to run it, and set it up right

CRaSHnBuRN
09-30-2005, 04:23 PM
migs are fun. I love mine

AggieTJ2007
10-01-2005, 02:33 AM
every do any uphill fillet welds? very different technique and look than a normal bead

Matt Conlee
10-01-2005, 02:43 AM
my miller flux core welders use gas. :flipoff2:
how should you know. I hope my cage holdsup

CheapJeep
10-01-2005, 01:31 PM
And now, back to my build. :flipoff2: I got home from the 47 trip around 4 this morning, took a shower, then was gone headed to Conroe by 5:30 this morning. I showed up at my house and scared the **** outa my folks. So far I've spent the day cleaning the shop and loading the old axles and leafs into my truck to sell when I get back to C.S. on Sunday. I'm eating lunch right now, but the new rearend is gonna go under this afternoon, as well as the front (hopefully). If all goes well and I get the u-bolts made today, or tomorrow, I could have the driveshafts made by the end of the week.

AggieTJ2007
10-01-2005, 03:29 PM
sounds good

CheapJeep
10-01-2005, 07:17 PM
Ok, here's some teaser pics of what I accomplished today. Do realize that I still need to find some u-bolts to fit the front and rear, spring plates, and perches for the rear. I've been searching but to no luck, any help as to where I can pick up these parts? Well here's the pics
Looks like a BNC truck...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep031.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep032.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep033.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep034.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep037.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep039.jpg


Hope you enjoyed em', I'm getting closer to getting it out on the trails, but without the wornout 31"s :flipoff2:

Also whoever is planning on coming down next weekend to help needs to let me know so I have a list. We'll definitely be working/welding/drinking, but I'm not sure as to whether or not we'll go to that concert. Just not sure yet.

uglyota
10-01-2005, 10:23 PM
get your dimensions and go to Napa for the ubolts
you should be able to get the perches and plates at xtreme performance or order them from btf or crawltech or some other company that Feller can tell you the name of. I can't remember it right now

oh yeah. Too tall, needs more triangulation. Jeeps suck. :flipoff2:

CRaSHnBuRN
10-01-2005, 11:28 PM
uh, I think its www.rocklogic4x4.com, but their online store isn't pulling up on this computer

CRaSHnBuRN
10-01-2005, 11:30 PM
all I can say is that is one crazy assed contraption you have that jeep slung from. And I thought I had done some wierd things in my time

stx4wheeler
10-02-2005, 02:34 AM
hey fellar you can put all that shiznit in one post not two or three you post whore. :flipoff2:

CRaSHnBuRN
10-02-2005, 03:49 AM
its feller, fawker :flipoff2:

and I'm not trying to pad, I'm just really bored here at work, so I come back to the same threads and add more.

AggieTJ2007
10-02-2005, 03:51 AM
Ill be there, but I live in waco so I will need fo you to PM me direction to your place in Conroe and what time yall think yall are going to leave

Fellar is what you call someone in the west

Feller drives the buggy

oh yeah me too, I didn't think anyone else was awake at this hour

Shaggy
10-02-2005, 03:17 PM
that thing is gonna be hella tall

CheapJeep
10-02-2005, 05:48 PM
Yeah it will be once the 36"s are on, but I think the springs will soften up a little with time.

J Cooper
10-02-2005, 06:00 PM
i noticed on the pics the shackles have a second hole, i would bolt them up on there and lower it some

CheapJeep
10-02-2005, 06:04 PM
Yeah that was something I began to consider after looking at the pics, I'm sure we'll take care of that next weekend. But I don't know high COD could make for some fun flops... :flipoff2:

Shaggy
10-02-2005, 06:52 PM
i say lower it a lot and cut fenders

eight
10-02-2005, 09:43 PM
Yea definately move the shackle bolts. And in the front you can redrill the hangers higher to drop it some, then torch off the excess brackets. Will make approach angle better too. Don't you have some sort of torch to cut spring plates with? 3/8" plate works good. And 2.5 x .25 wall square tubing make good spring plates. I think there're some d44 spring plates somewhere at my college station house.

CheapJeep
10-02-2005, 10:11 PM
I'm gonna see how much using the other holes on the shackle drops it, as for the perches for the rear, I'm just gonna use some square tube like Coop said and make it happen. I will eventually get the power steering and ram assisst, and right now I'm trying to hunt down the box and pump, but I'm really trying to make something happen so it could make the run on Sunday. I have plenty of more stuff to do before it's truly where I want it, but it'd be nice to make a small run.

AggieTJ2007
10-02-2005, 10:15 PM
I think it sounds manageable to make the run on Sunday. If you need anything let me know, I should be able to get it for you in Waco, or I can run to Austin and pick it up.

CheapJeep
10-02-2005, 10:23 PM
Thanks, here's what I'm running down/picking up this week. U-bolts, perches for the rear, spring plates, drag link, driveshafts, reinstall gas tank, extend brakelines, throttle return spring, muffler/exhaust hangers, and I NEED TIRES! That's just to make it for this weekend.

CheapJeep
10-04-2005, 11:58 PM
Everyone who plans on riding down to work Friday and Saturday, post a list here. The plan is to leave Friday after everyone gets out of class and get to work, drink, party. Saturday, wake up, work, drink, party, work, head back to C.S. that evening or night and have a good time. That way we'll be back in town for Sunday's trip. Please list your name and if you have Friday classes/what time you can leave. Thanks.

AggieTJ2007
10-05-2005, 07:37 AM
Ill be out there

stx4wheeler
10-05-2005, 10:30 AM
damn school field trip at 5 30 in the am saturday arrgggg.

CheapJeep
10-09-2005, 08:30 PM
Well, this weekend was productive, even without Danny (you suck), we got everything buttoned up except for the drag link, front shims, and rear driveshaft. Within the next two weeks it'll have all that done, a bad mother cage, and 36" Iroks. After that, it's only cosmetics, but hey, who needs a good paint job when it's just gonna get f'd. Coop has pics, I hope he'll post em'.

CRaSHnBuRN
10-09-2005, 08:34 PM
spray paint the *****. Like you said, it'll only get messed up. I'm thinking something in pink wiith lavender accents should be nice :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
10-09-2005, 08:38 PM
spray paint the *****. Like you said, it'll only get messed up. I'm thinking something in pink wiith lavender accents should be nice :flipoff2:
Yeah, that would be nice. After we're done we could paint your buggy :rainbow: :flipoff2:

CRaSHnBuRN
10-09-2005, 08:39 PM
at the rate I've been scratching off the new paint it wouldn't matter anyway. We could paint it purple and it would be gone in 2 months.

CRaSHnBuRN
10-09-2005, 08:40 PM
Oh yeah, get your **** ready for gilmer in november

J Cooper
10-09-2005, 08:45 PM
"rookie rookie me take your picture"

made spring perches and plates. rear end is streched about 4" from stock. front is all put together also, had to fix breaks and hubs. just need drag link. rear is good, just needs driveshaft and cut the fenders once tires are on. we also put a raptor exhaust on it.... bad dood.

motor runs good too.


also need to mount is 12000 pound warn on the ***** too.

J Cooper
10-09-2005, 08:46 PM
needs its tires bad... its really not that tall anymore.. gonna sit about how cjs does.

texasxj
10-09-2005, 08:49 PM
ching gow how did yall work with all them chains hanging everywhere

AggieTJ2007
10-09-2005, 08:58 PM
most of the time it was up in the air, and we would set the chains on the bumpers, The bars got in the way more than the chains, esp trying to weld on the perches

CheapJeep
10-09-2005, 09:00 PM
Thanks Coop for posting the pics and for this weekend, I owe you many many times over. Hope your up for doing it again.

CheapJeep
10-11-2005, 12:57 AM
Got my power steering box today from Roberto.. :gigem:

CheapJeep
10-11-2005, 10:44 AM
Just got word that I now have dibs on the 35" Claws that I'm picking up this weekend from a guy in Spring. Seems like everyday I get a couple things on the rig taken care of. Kickass! :gigem:

CheapJeep
10-26-2005, 04:08 AM
Alright here's an update. No pics yet.
-Tom Wood's driveshaft should be here today
-BTF drag link and shims should be here by end of this week
-Claws are mounted and on the Jeep, didn't get time to get any pics when I was home
-Full custom cage going on next week hopefully
Then it'll be time to wheel the biatch.

CheapJeep
11-19-2005, 12:03 AM
I re-installed the gas tank and skidplates today...pretty unproductive if you ask me. I spent the morning finishing up a paper and cleaning out stalls. Then got after the Jeep and noticed that NAPA didn't give me all my u-bolts. I ordered a set that's supposed to be here tomorrow morning. BTW I ended up buying a set of 3" lift blocks while I was at Autozone and installed them on my truck, the stock one's are 2"s so it's only an inch higher but should help keep the rear from sagging as much when I tow heavy loads and give me the "rake" look. I'll have pics up tomorrow of the heap with the new Claws and such.

J Cooper
11-19-2005, 04:49 AM
the rake look is gay

CheapJeep
11-19-2005, 12:20 PM
Oh no. I said I though putting the blocks in would give it that look, but in fact it only leveled the back end out. I noticed while I was on my way home that the rear was sagging a bit, asked my buddy when he rode with me and he thought the same. Now it just sits level....Dammit, I can never get it right.

AggieTJ2007
11-19-2005, 03:57 PM
you need some 6 inch blocks and some 38 gumbo mudders on the back of that truck

but where are the pictures./....

Shaggy
11-19-2005, 04:10 PM
i got the 6" blocks if you wanna do it... i say do it

CheapJeep
11-19-2005, 08:00 PM
Ok just got inside from the shop. I didn't get any pics yet cuz I was too busy running down parts and working. I'll have some tomorrow.
Here's what I got done today-
-Brake lines hooked up
-U-bolts and spring plates bolted down (I had to run to the NAPA warehouse to get the right ones cuz they not only f'd up on my order in C.S. but also here in Conroe :rolleyes: .
-Welded bolt threads onto front right side for spring plate and finished that up.
Welded skidplate for gas tank back on.(PITA to try and get it to fit back in there)
Tomorrow I'll have pics after I install the rear driveshaft. On a side note, I'm pretty steamed after what Bluetorch has done, I ordered a drag link and shims over a week ago and called on Wedsday to see where it was and found out that they lied and didn't ship it like they had said...they hadn't even made it. I gave them the measurements again and they said they'd ship it out the same day but I've yet to recieve anything....so no drag link or shims. At least the Jeep's ready to get the cage and steering done. Hell I might just have them make a drag link. Like I said pics tomorrow, it's a big ***** for sure, I had more trouble getting in and out of it than I did when I rode in Jordan's at 47.

AggieTJ2007
11-19-2005, 10:01 PM
I think we have another jeep that is wider than it is long

but sounds like its going good, clayton's comming up soon

CheapJeep
11-19-2005, 10:04 PM
I think we have another jeep that is wider than it is long

but sounds like its going good, clayton's comming up soon
WTF??? Don't you remember, we extended the wheelbase at least 6"s? It is pretty wide though, I think I'm the only one with true full width's on a Jeep in the club, cj's and jordan's have scout 44's right?

CRaSHnBuRN
11-20-2005, 12:49 AM
I think I'm the only one with true full width's on a Jeep in the club

Don't forget Kopecki's scrambler, he's on fullwidths

AggieTJ2007
11-20-2005, 10:44 AM
I thought we measured and it was real close, but its still short, what is the wheelbase now?

texasxj
11-20-2005, 04:34 PM
mine may be close unless i get chop saw happy and turn my 56s around!!!



PICS

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 04:46 PM
Here sticky *****es... The ass end is sitting higher than the front, but it should level out once I get it on the trail, and the springs settle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep041.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep043.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep049.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep048.jpg

Look at the freakin driveshaft angle, I need my shims. SEND ME MY **** BLUETORCH!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep047.jpg
-Driveshaft in
-Warn Premium hubs in
-gutted rear seat
Still needs shims front and rear (so my pinion angle's not all f'd up), install front driveshaft. Otherwise, steering, and cage will be done this week.

texasxj
11-20-2005, 04:56 PM
pile every piece of metal you have on that thing or have one hell of a cage!!! would look good on 38s though. Good job!

AggieTJ2007
11-20-2005, 05:15 PM
I think you need to trim those rear fenders and break in those springs

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 05:17 PM
I think you need to trim those rear fenders and break in those springs
Thank you captain obvious! :flipoff2: I'm out guys, gotta pack my **** and head back up to C.S., have fun bashing my pile, I'll see ya in a couple hours. :laughing:

AggieTJ2007
11-20-2005, 05:18 PM
sounds good

Matt Conlee
11-20-2005, 05:21 PM
Looks good but I have always wondered why people run claws backwards. Are they just better backward?

texasxj
11-20-2005, 05:23 PM
ok hes gone whew. man robbies jeep is a pile isnt it!!!!! :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
11-20-2005, 05:39 PM
yep, but at least it runs

CRaSHnBuRN
11-20-2005, 05:52 PM
please tell me you're not gonna leave that muffler hanging down like that

JeepPhisherman
11-20-2005, 06:15 PM
please tell me you're not gonna leave that muffler hanging down like that

looks pretty permanent to me

AggieTJ2007
11-20-2005, 06:28 PM
thats as high up as you can put that muffler, and its really not as low as it looks, it sits higher than the spring hanger

sasquatch
11-20-2005, 06:34 PM
Could you have made the muffler sit flat? it looks like its up in there pretty good.

CRaSHnBuRN
11-20-2005, 06:35 PM
it sits higher than the spring hanger

true, but those spring hangers hang pretty low as well. seems like they would be pretty easy to get hung on. I'm not trying to bash on it, thats just my view.

J Cooper
11-20-2005, 07:15 PM
muffler will be fine, it really is as high as you can get it unless you can get it, you just see it more in that shot because its from the side real low. not much room under a 5. you would have to mount that muffler sideways parallel with the gas tank to get it any higher... maybe like some 12-18 glasspack.... that muffler was like $15 and not intended to be on it forever

and hey robbie. you wouldnt need shims if you would have said "hey im gonna use a cv shaft" and the time you said "im not going to use a cv shaft" oh well... looks good, well get the sawsall out and cut both our fenders

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep047.jpg

sasquatch
11-20-2005, 09:05 PM
looks good

J Cooper
11-20-2005, 09:11 PM
we can put stock toyota springs in the front that pushes the axle forward enough where the approch angle is pretty much right with the springs.

and those shackles are already drilled out to be adjustable, drop it like 2"

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 09:56 PM
Thanks for all the positive comments and to those who don't even have a rig running and called mine a pile :flipoff2: The springs will settle considerably after I get it out on the trail, so I'm going to hold off for a while on dropping it, Look how the front leafs have settled already due to the weight. It's come a long way, but it's not even close yet. I'm going to wheel it at 47 a couple times then at Clayton, but before Katemcy, it's coming back home for a big surprise, and I'm not telling. :gigem:

william_ace
11-20-2005, 09:59 PM
so why the claws backwards?

J Cooper
11-20-2005, 10:00 PM
.... it's coming back home for a big surprise, and I'm not telling. :gigem:


its getting pink flames!!


im sorry i cant keep a secret

J Cooper
11-20-2005, 10:01 PM
so why the claws backwards?

look how they are designed.. they just grab better

you get two claws for the price of one :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 10:18 PM
Exactly, more traction turned backwards. As for the pink flames...yes you guessed it :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

william_ace
11-20-2005, 10:23 PM
350 transplant?

HULK-1
11-20-2005, 10:25 PM
Looks good robbie, swap a V8 and do the pink flames ***

texasxj
11-20-2005, 10:31 PM
ive got a "nice" 283 ill practically give you. actually i think the junkyard doesnt even want it!!!

WHEEL IT. then change some stuff!!!!

uglyota
11-20-2005, 10:50 PM
wow you better take that helmet to Clayton with you :flipoff2:
looks good

eight
11-20-2005, 11:19 PM
Drill the holes in those spring hangers as high as they can be without the springs hitting the frame, then torch off the excess hangers. How long are the shackles? Maybe they can be shortened?

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 11:24 PM
Like I said, I'm not doing anything as far as lowering it until the springs settle then I'll go from there. I made those spring bucket's to match the front one's on the BTF kit so there's no way in hell I'd torch those off. The shackles are adjustable, so I might take them up a hole if need be.

P.S. I'm still not telling. You'll see after Christmas break. :flipoff2:

uglyota
11-20-2005, 11:34 PM
So you're leaving those anchors hanging down there just so they match the BTF hangers? Chop em off and put in some of these:
http://marlincrawler.com/images/hangerinst_500.jpg
While you're at it, why are the BTF front hangers so low? Are there clearance issues there? Looks like you could lose 1/2" of lift redrilling those bad boys and grinding the bottom off. Do the front shackle hangers sit directly under the frame rail? Boxed frame? You should french those too.
And Kopecki's right, no harm in using the shorter holes in the shackles...Free and easy, why not do that until your springs settle, then work from there?

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 11:42 PM
So you're leaving those anchors hanging down there just so they match the BTF hangers? Chop em off and put in some of these:
While you're at it, why are the BTF front hangers so low? Are there clearance issues there? Looks like you could lose 1/2" of lift redrilling those bad boys and grinding the bottom off. Do the front shackle hangers sit directly under the frame rail? Boxed frame? You should french those too.
And Kopecki's right, no harm in using the shorter holes in the shackles...Free and easy, why not do that until your springs settle, then work from there?
Yes, I'm leaving them so they match the front. Bash away, but I'm leaving it how it is, wheel it til I figure out what works and what doesn't. As for the front shackle hangers, they're outboarded. I need to figure out what works for me, I myself learn best from my own mistakes, then I understand why things need to change. Call me stupid but it's just the way I am. :laughing:

uglyota
11-20-2005, 11:45 PM
stupid no
stubborn probably :D

eight
11-20-2005, 11:49 PM
The front hangers do not sit all the way past the frame. They're not centered, but still under it.

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 11:50 PM
stubborn
Most definitely. :flipoff2:

J Cooper
11-20-2005, 11:51 PM
stubborn yes

it will work fine just the way it is, change it later once its settled in, but these are all good ways to lower that big *****... youll soon learn bigger is not better.

CheapJeep
11-20-2005, 11:56 PM
stubborn yes

it will work fine just the way it is, change it later once its settled in, but these are all good ways to lower that big *****... youll soon learn bigger is not better.
As you've noticed, I don't tend to listen very well until I find out the hard way. Take my truck for instance, did I crank my torsion bars all the way back when I was in highschool knowing that it would shorten the life of my steering. Yes. and I paid for it later. Did I put 3" blocks in this weekend after being advised not to. Yes. But I like it so :flipoff2: :laughing:

J Cooper
11-21-2005, 12:00 AM
did i kick you square in the nuts... yes

:flipoff2:

CheapJeep
11-21-2005, 12:03 AM
did i kick you square in the nuts... yes

:flipoff2:
I have no comeback....Dammit I suck at this game. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Matt Conlee
11-21-2005, 09:31 AM
If you raise your the frame mounted side of your leave spring and re drill the frame mount, your driveshaft angle would be alot better.

CheapJeep
11-21-2005, 09:52 PM
Just found out the Jeep is on the trailer and going to Bill tomorrow to get the cage, steering, seat's, as well as the shims and drag link that Bluetorch never sent. Bill said I'd get it back within a week or week and a half. :gigem:

CheapJeep
11-23-2005, 08:56 PM
Update- Drag link came in from BTF as well as the shims, I'm sending them over to Bill friday morning. Also, he's installing 5 pt. harnesses to go with the seats and etc... I found out today that Bill decided to go with chromolly tubing instead due to its strength. That's what he uses to build all the cages in the drag cars. So it's all going good. :gigem:

AggieTJ2007
11-23-2005, 08:58 PM
i think youll be the only one w/ chromo tubing. I guess he plans on you rolling it off the mountain

CheapJeep
11-23-2005, 09:00 PM
i think youll be the only one w/ chromo tubing. I guess he plans on you rolling it off the mountain
Yeah pretty much...although you should really be the one with Chromo due to your expert driving :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
11-23-2005, 09:06 PM
i would love to, if I could afford it

CheapJeep
11-25-2005, 08:57 PM
Update- Got some pics from my dad of him with the heap loaded on the trailer from a couple days ago. Also, he took me to Smiley's racing shop in Houston today for an early Christmas present. Sorry Creighton, but those seats were a no go, so if anyone wants them let me know. My dad and I picked out 2 racing seats with inserts for the 5 pt. harnesses he picked up earlier and leather seat covers with padding. They feel pretty comfortable and hopefully I'll stay strapped in. :gigem: For some reason everyone is really concerned that I'll be rolling off a cliff or something??? Also got a couple other surprises, but I can't tell, pics will have to do once it comes back from Bill. :flipoff2:
Here's the pics of it on the trailer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep054.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep053.jpg

AggieTJ2007
11-26-2005, 06:35 PM
hey can I have my seats back then

agjohn02
11-27-2005, 10:11 PM
its cute :flipoff2:

redcagepatrol
11-27-2005, 10:38 PM
why do both axles look pushed back?

CheapJeep
11-28-2005, 01:27 AM
why do both axles look pushed back?
I think it's just the angle of the pic? In person it doesn't look that way.

stx4wheeler
11-28-2005, 11:25 AM
not trying to knock your crap, but it looks they are both pushed back to me as well.

Shaggy
11-28-2005, 11:28 AM
it didnt look that way in other pics so i think it is just the pic

CheapJeep
11-28-2005, 12:01 PM
I will show you that only the rear is pushed back. Notice sample A. picture is at an angle, plus having fullwidths which stick out way past the fenders leaving a huge gap throws the eye off.
A.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep050.jpg

Now look at B. and you notice that only the rear is pushed back, this is still at a slight angle but you can tell that the front axle isn't pushed back.
B.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep045.jpg

redcagepatrol
11-28-2005, 12:05 PM
the truck will work much better if you push that front axle a few inches foward - especially since it is going to flex backwards into the body now.

J Cooper
11-28-2005, 12:15 PM
i dont think that it is pushed back, i compared to to mine and it looks about the same. but because of the shackle reversle yes it would help to push it forward a couple inches.

but now how?

drill a new hole in the perches? - easy/fast fix

i would say use toyota springs like i said before, that will push it forward a couple inches, but he is using like 1.5" yj springs... another reason for the lift issue.

so this would lower the front about an 1" and then just lower the rear shackle down to the next whole, once you get that big ass winch sitting up front your front in is going to settle anyways and be about even.

and safer

CheapJeep
12-04-2005, 04:14 PM
Just got word that Bill and crew have completed or figured out everything. They're waiting on the tubing which comes in Tuesday and they said they'll have it ready for pickup Thursday. :gigem:

davido
12-05-2005, 01:26 AM
Man, that's looking pretty cool. I'm not sure about Jeep springs, but Cruiser springs have an offset center pin (by 1.5"), so by flipping the front and rears you can gain 6" of wheelbase. Maybe you can do that, maybe they're not offset. I'm not sure if those are lift springs or not (because I haven't read the whole thread), but if they are, you can look into just using stock springs. I run stock springs with a spring over. Huge tires will solve any hanger or related clearance issues that you may have with the hangers. 42s should do the trick. :) Have you measured the width vs the wheelbase? I'm curisous if it's square. Looking forward to seeing it in action. The cage build sounds hella cool. Congrats on what's shaping up to be a real fun looking rig.

CheapJeep
12-06-2005, 12:05 AM
Thanks, after Clayton I'll address the wheelbase and height issue. I know the width is like 80"s or so because internal width of my trailer is 82" and it barely fit. I know it's pretty close to being a square though.
Like I said, I need to go and pick the jeep up this week or weekend sometime, so I guess we'll see how it goes.

eight
12-06-2005, 12:31 AM
It may be a cube.

AggieTJ2007
12-06-2005, 12:39 AM
cubes pretty funny

CheapJeep
12-10-2005, 03:36 AM
Ok it's oh **** time. I've now taken a last ditch resort and come down to Conroe to see if I can help with the situation. I may have to return after Monday as well. The problem is that the shims I have in the front were not enough to fix the front driveline problem so now one of Bill's guru's has to come out to figure out a new front driveshaft, plus the power steering still needs doing, and find a dual main pulley so I can run 2 belts for p.s. If I may quote my father for a moment, "better to have it done right and badass the first time than ****ty and unsafe." So it's really a role of the dice as to whether or not the hunk of ****'s gonna make it to Clayton. That's why I'm here.

J Cooper
12-10-2005, 02:07 PM
look at any scout axle swap in a jeep, the front is going to be ****ed up some how unless you cut and turn the knuckles... just rotate the **** out of put a drive shaft on and lets go *****

CheapJeep
12-10-2005, 02:34 PM
It's not that easy since I have a shackle reversal. The steering would be way too crazy above 25mph if I left it that way so it has to change.

CheapJeep
12-10-2005, 03:40 PM
It's a bust...my piece of **** ain't makin the trip. Not a damn thing is even done on that bastard and I'm too pissed to even care. **** IT! Guess I'll be spottin'

Shaggy
12-10-2005, 03:41 PM
sucks

davido
12-10-2005, 04:16 PM
You don't have to be able to drive it over 15 miles an hour to go on an off-road trip. I think Mark is the only one that's been brave enough to drive mine over 20 MPH.

TxCruzr
12-10-2005, 04:42 PM
This might not be an option since your using the BTF stuff but for my SR they made the hangers lower, which kept me from having problems of not doing a cun&turn that a bunch of cruiser guys have. It used to get in the way but its beefy as hell and never met a rock that couldn't be pushed or broked by them. Flipped the springs now and the added 1.5" + the 37s make it so I haven't hit the from hangers since.
Hope a miracle happens and you can make the trip. If not you can be like me and camp out at home wheeling a wally crawler :D

CheapJeep
12-10-2005, 06:25 PM
I think it's gonna be wheelin' the R/C Crawler this time around. It's really not that much stuff to complete, steering shaft mated to power steering box, power steering pump bracket made, dual pulley so 2nd belt for p.s. can be run, front driveshaft, pinion shims front and rear, and cage. That's what they had to do and they've had it since Thanksgiving, problem is, they haven't really worked on it cuz they've had other jobs and when they did start it...there turned out to be a problem with the front axle pinion angle and they want to do it right and not jankie up the steering. Trust me if I could I'd go down there right now and be working on it trying to make something happen, but that's not the case, my dad wants the **** done right because everyone thinks I'm gonna roll off a ****ing mountain or something with it?? :rolleyes: The thing that really gets to me is that I had asked for my mom's Duramax and they promised it, I turn around and make sure its all still good for this trip and now I can't because they need it to take one of our horses to the vet. Not trying to ***** but just seems like everyone's bailed on me for this trip.

uglyota
12-12-2005, 12:56 PM
so does coop not have a tow now?
you got the cage in right? What's your dad worried about?
A square driveshaft will take 4 hours and get you on the trail

CheapJeep
12-12-2005, 12:58 PM
so does coop not have a tow now?
you got the cage in right? What's your dad worried about?
A square driveshaft will take 4 hours and get you on the trail
Coop's still has a tow, I brought my trailer up yesterday. It's a long story with the Jeep but basically there really hasn't been much done on it so I'm still waiting to find out some answers.

eight
12-12-2005, 07:54 PM
If you did your own work you'd know exactly what's going on. What was supposed to be cheap about this? Besides the axles.

Doug Krebs
12-13-2005, 02:25 AM
WTF is going on here? I think I'm still worse off than you and I'll make it. Go work on it.

CheapJeep
12-13-2005, 06:52 PM
As for the Jeep my dad sent me an email today,
Front driveshaft is in the works with some company in Houston
Rear axle is not binding anymore (I'm guessing they installed the pinion shims or rotated the axle)
Cage is cut/laid out and going together
Seats/mount/harnesses are all in and going together
Steering issues have been addressed and parts are being picked up
No pulley yet, still searching.

stx4wheeler
12-14-2005, 12:42 PM
i think he means the pulley that goes on the crank,since his jeep didnt come with power steering, he needs a double v crank pulley so the power steering pump can be turned.

uglyota
12-14-2005, 12:48 PM
and nobody here has one laying around?

eight
12-14-2005, 06:55 PM
I have one.

CheapJeep
12-15-2005, 01:07 AM
I have one.
Would you be willing to part with it for a small fee? Let me know how much, I need it ASAP.

CheapJeep
12-15-2005, 01:10 AM
Here's some pics my dad emailed me of my heap and some of the **** being done. I'll have more after Clayton. :gigem:
Pass. side floor pan
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_1227.jpg

Layout of the cage/interior stripped.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_1226.jpg

Carrier u-bolt/spring plate fix
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_1225.jpg

CheapJeep
12-20-2005, 08:06 PM
Went by to see the heap today. The pass side floor looks good and the holes through the floor for the cage are drilled. The rear driveline is set, but the front still needs lots of work. They have another job at the moment so not much progress has been made other than what you've seen. Some of the tubing has been tied into the frame for the cage, but I've yet to see any type of cage or anything being done which surprised me. They're having to order some more chromo tube but I noticed that it wasn't thick wall? I was surprised to see that, I could've sworn that they would've used the thick chromo for a cage but no matter, it's still stronger than DOM or HREW. I still need to call Collins Bros to see if I can snag a pulley. Also they're making some front shock hoops and running S.S. brake lines all the way around so I guess that's good, but there still hasn't really been any progress which is frustrating.

redcagepatrol
12-21-2005, 09:01 AM
Went by to see the heap today. The pass side floor looks good and the holes through the floor for the cage are drilled. The rear driveline is set, but the front still needs lots of work. They have another job at the moment so not much progress has been made other than what you've seen. Some of the tubing has been tied into the frame for the cage, but I've yet to see any type of cage or anything being done which surprised me. They're having to order some more chromo tube but I noticed that it wasn't thick wall? I was surprised to see that, I could've sworn that they would've used the thick chromo for a cage but no matter, it's still stronger than DOM or HREW. I still need to call Collins Bros to see if I can snag a pulley. Also they're making some front shock hoops and running S.S. brake lines all the way around so I guess that's good, but there still hasn't really been any progress which is frustrating.
you can run about 0.095 on the main tubes with Chromo and even 0.065 on the brace tubes depending on the weight of the vehicle. What do you consider thick wall? 0.120?

CheapJeep
12-21-2005, 11:01 AM
you can run about 0.095 on the main tubes with Chromo and even 0.065 on the brace tubes depending on the weight of the vehicle. What do you consider thick wall? 0.120?
Exactly, I guess I was misinformed but I always thought that thick wall was over .150, even .20 stuff? I guess I was wrong. Hopefully they'll start making some progress.

CheapJeep
01-05-2006, 01:33 AM
I went by the shop last week to see what was up and found out that they were adding on and cleaning things up around there. Long story short there's a guy that he builds blown alcohal cars for that gave him 3 other projects to work on aside from my Jeep. So I talked to Bill today and he had his whole crew working on the Jeep today, tomorrow, and until it's out of there. I'll stop by tomorrow on my way in to the Dr. and snap some pics and lend a hand. Should have the pile back by hopefully this weekend. :gigem:

CheapJeep
01-05-2006, 07:23 PM
Here's some pics of what we got done today, I went by after my seeing the Dr. and stayed working on it until everyone went home.
Things Completed
-Steering shaft
-Front shock mounts
-Drag link
-Front right spring plate/u bolt
-Rear driveline angle

Still to do-
-finish cage
-seats/harnesses install
-p.s. pulley
-p.s. pump mount
-front driveshaft install
-rear shock mounts
-gas tank skidplate

Pics
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep057.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep056.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep059.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep061.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep062.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep058.jpg

eight
01-05-2006, 07:35 PM
That's gonna be fun to get in and out of. Maybe build some sort of step into the sliders?

CheapJeep
01-05-2006, 09:01 PM
I had alot of fun trying to climb in and out to figure out how we wanted the seat brackets to be aligned. I'll probably end up setting the sliders away from the body a bit so I can use those as a step.
As for the front hoop, when I showed up I saw how they had it and I really didn't like it at first but Darryl was explaining something about clearance issues with the dash bar/window latches/steering column so I'll have to live with it. The seats are going to be leaned back a good way so the steering column's not right in my face, but they talked about maybe shortening it? When we first set the seats in we were going to have to notch the rear fenderwells a bit, but after I realized that the way the seats were angled I would slide out, so we just pushed it back as far as it could go and tilted the seat angle up a bit.
Darryl, Tony, and Bill also decided to run an X in the rear instead of traditional downtubes like on stock cages. You can see the plates going to the floor in the bed where the X tube will tie in. One thing's for sure, it's going to be a bit different. :laughing:

CheapJeep
01-05-2006, 09:08 PM
Here's another pic of how everything goes through the floor and ties into the frame.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep060.jpg

CheapJeep
01-06-2006, 09:06 PM
Here's some pics of today's work, the cage is finished except for Darryl Tigging a couple more spots. We cut the front driveshaft down to make it fit, working on a new gas tank skid, and battery box.
I actually like the way the front hoop looks now with everything set in place, it has a kind of retro Willy's look to it.
The windshield latches are NOT the same on the CJ-7's as they are on these early model 5's. The latches have to actually swing out rather than having a stud go through a flange on the windshield like 7's. Also I asked Darryl why he hadn't done it like ya'll had talked about and that was one of the reason's as well as cost, strength, and keeping it away from the windshield. Having the hoop as one piece instead of 2 like some people do is alot stronger. I like it, that's all that matters.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep063.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep064.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep065.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep066.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep067.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep068.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep069.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep070.jpg

Latches-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep073.jpg

The other car that some dood is having them rebuilt, it's from 1985? Story is, Bill built it back then, this guy bought it and now they're putting a Rolls Royce motor in it from the other car (Rolls Royce) which they're putting a blown alcohal motor in, and a third door slammer something called an Interceptor? which they're putting a super gas motor in. All while this same guy has 2 blown alcohal rail cars, one in which my dad used to race all the time before he bought it. And you wonder why my Jeep hadn't been worked on?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep072.jpg
An old rail car chassis-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep071.jpg

Shaggy
01-06-2006, 09:10 PM
i dont like the x in the back... it takes away from storage also

Shaggy
01-06-2006, 09:11 PM
how much tube did they end up using... i hear that stuff is like 6-8$ a foot

Shaggy
01-06-2006, 09:15 PM
There is an article in Petersen's 4wheel & off-road titled "Pullin' Pipe" in the feb 2006 issue that compares Aluminum, HREW, DOM, Chromoly (thin wall), and Chromoly. Pretty good article

Shaggy
01-06-2006, 09:30 PM
well if the tire is gonna be mounted there then it will look good and help with weight distribution. I dont like rear tire carriers and i think it would look great on that x

Shaggy
01-06-2006, 09:32 PM
are you planning on covering those seats and adding some padding... cause i think they will give you one hell of a rough ride

CheapJeep
01-06-2006, 09:45 PM
I have seat covers I just need to go pick them up from the store I ordered them from. I think they're the same as Fellar's. Also 5pts. will be installed.

davido
01-06-2006, 11:11 PM
We saw those wheels as SEMA.

Sharpe
01-07-2006, 10:02 PM
Dont take this the wrong way but that cage looks like it was made by drag racers (which I know it was I'm just making a point). I have little to no experience in both drag racing and offroading so I am just making uninformed generalizations.

Drag car cage:
No frills, protects your ass from 100 mph wreck
Little consideration to ergonomics. Drag racers only spend a few minutes in their cars at a time so the cage doesnt have to fit like a glove
No consideration for storage, since they dont have to

Trail rig cage:
Usually has **** hung on it like spare tires and parts, as well as handles and the like, all of which has to be considered during construction
Has to fit vehicle well. You will be spending hours at a time in said vehicle and having a bar occupying footspace isnt pleasant
Easy enough to get in and out of, since we are always jumping in and out
Storage, it aint a fullsize, so you dont have any to waste. Think ice chests, toolboxes and large bulky items that need cubic feet of space.

I know its already done and I'm sure it will get the job done but that x is going to severely limit cargo capacity. As far as the front bars go, I'm sure some of the other 4 or 5 people who have CJ5's can post pics of their cages, I think they just move the dash bar up to clear the locking levers.

agjohn02
01-07-2006, 10:26 PM
if your truely happy with it, then dont worry about what we think. however, if your not, you'll be kicking yourself for not getting it fixed. we're just trying to keep you from riding along looking at it and feeling like you got screwed. we've all had something done before that wasnt done like we wanted it. thats why most of us just do it ourselves if we have the means to do it.

sasquatch
01-07-2006, 10:31 PM
pimp. those are fancy seat mounts

CheapJeep
01-07-2006, 11:34 PM
Thanks. I'm happy with it and I'll figure out space issues, like I said spare tire mount is going on the X and I have room for a medium sized cooler/tool box behind the seats.
The reason I didn't do it myself was partly because I don't have a tube bender and also because my parent's are extremely anal about me being safe. Which I really don't understand because I could've easily done this myself in our shop. Darryl, Tony, and Bill did an excellent job though and I couldn't have asked for more. They're experts in building chassis and fabrication.
Once we had everthing welded and the seats mounted I sat in there and it's really comfortable for a person of my size. I can easily reach all the shifters, pedals, etc... However if you're over 6 foot I could imagine it would be quite cramped. The passenger seat is fine for a tall person, just not the driver's seat.
I will say that the cross bars that run through the S door opening make it harder to get in and out of but I plan on building a set of sliders that stick out a couple inches to use as a step. I feel secure having the cage designed the way it is and with the seats wrapping around. I rather feel strapped in over being able to slide around.
On another note about what Darryl had said about the front hoop being pushed back, he had originally planned to do something different which I didn't really catch onto...something about the front hoop preventing the motor from being shoved back into the driver/passenger? I think he was talking about building a front hoop that had an extra crossmember that was below the dash, but he mentioned that it would get in the way which I agreed.

Sharpe
01-07-2006, 11:50 PM
Well the only person who's opinion matters is your and it sounds like you're happy as a pig in ****. I really dig those seat mounts.

CheapJeep
01-07-2006, 11:54 PM
Thanks, I gotta give mad props to Darryl and the crew for their fabbing. It's a helluva lot of fun to work with those guys. They know their **** and have badass rides.

CheapJeep
01-09-2006, 01:53 AM
Going down to Bill's shop again tomorrow to finish welding up the front d-shaft, finish cage, gas tank skid, s.s. brake lines, whatever else. I'll take some more pics of what gets done.

CheapJeep
01-09-2006, 03:08 AM
Like I've stated numerous times, I sat in the drivers seat and could easily reach all the petals, shifters, etc...no problem. I like having the tube's there, it keeps my left leg from trying to go out in an off camber situation as well as protects my side if I lay it over on anything protruding i.e. rocks, etc.
The cage is in no way "thrown together", I've done plenty of research and know what's going on. I showed up a little late after Darryl had already made the front hoop and tacked it in place, but I've come to like the way it is and prefer having it this way. It couldn't have turned out any better, it's how I wanted it and everything works and is ergonomically correct for me. If I were to build it myself I might have set the front hoop a little closer and made the bend at the windshield, but I really don't care at this point. I'm happy and I can't wait to take it wheelin'.

CheapJeep
01-09-2006, 03:14 AM
Once we had everthing welded and the seats mounted I sat in there and it's really comfortable for a person of my size. I can easily reach all the shifters, pedals, etc... However if you're over 6 foot I could imagine it would be quite cramped. The passenger seat is fine for a tall person, just not the driver's seat.
I will say that the cross bars that run through the S door opening make it harder to get in and out of but I plan on building a set of sliders that stick out a couple inches to use as a step. I feel secure having the cage designed the way it is and with the seats wrapping around. I rather feel strapped in over being able to slide around.
:rolleyes:

J Cooper
01-09-2006, 03:25 AM
example... not the best cage.. needs a couple extra pieces that we are gonna put in.. but its simple.. you can jump in and out easily, flows with the shape of the jeep and does it job and has enough room for a fuel cell, ice chest and tool box.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/album54/DSCF0004_001.jpg

CheapJeep
01-09-2006, 03:47 AM
Did you notice the overhead V? I was maybe thinking about putting in bars that run parallel with the body overhead as well, just like with other cages. I don't quite understand your comment "know it all", how is that, because I've said that I'm happy with my cage? It fits me? By the time I showed up my only input was for the X and overhead V. Everything else was already tacked in and I'm not going to waste expensive tubing when it works for me. Is that know it all? Everyone has to start wheeling somewhere, so what I've only wheeled with the club a couple times, highschool muddin', and out at my ranch. That doesn't mean I can't start sometime. I started reading Fourwheeler when I was 5...my dad had 2 XJ's and a bigass burban so it's not like I haven't been around it. If you don't have anything collective to add to the thread then why post? No one else made such derrogatory comments as you have. Maybe some critiquing but I've made my point and acknowledged their opinions. Not everything that people say or feel pertains to every single person or their situation. Just because my rig doesn't look like everyone elses means I need to change it to look like their's. If stuff doesn't work out and ya'll are right I'll change it.

CheapJeep
01-09-2006, 03:55 AM
BTW- I've had a thread running on Pirate since last year on my build, at least no one said I needed more triangulation. :laughing: Most people said good job on the build with a couple questions about stretching the wheelbase more and one or two that were questioning the front hoop, but still were positive.

CheapJeep
01-09-2006, 10:42 AM
Thanks Coop for clarifying, I took it the wrong way. I understand your point/concern, I'll try and get it going by the end of this week and maybe bring it up to C.S. then if you're not too busy you could take a look at it and we could do some work on it if you'd like. :gigem:

CheapJeep
01-09-2006, 08:05 PM
Didn't take any pics today, I forgot the camera. We finished up cage and added 2 more overhead bars, built gas tank skidplate, built new battery tray/box, found a crankshaft pulley that works finally, finished front driveshaft, and the best yet....I now have a Rolls Royce power steering pump. :gigem: I grinded off all the surface rust on the btf kit and spring mounts and painted them so the jeep doesn't look so bad now.
This is becoming more like a mutt than a Jeep...
We're getting the steel braided brake lines tomorrow and start working on that as well as making mounts for the 5 pts. to tie into the cage.

Sharpe
01-09-2006, 11:18 PM
This is becoming more like a mutt than a Jeep...

While most trail jeeps do end up this way, 95% of the wheelers in the world will never use parts from as many different (albeit the same brand) vehicles as I have for pigpen. Best I can figure no less than 15 seperate trucks have contributed anything from a few nuts to the engine and tranny.

CheapJeep
01-09-2006, 11:27 PM
Here's a list of donor vehicle parts-
81 dodge fullsize axle
80-90?? ford fullsize axle
85 S-10 (thanks robert for the box)
70's Rolls Royce pump
some sorta slant six motor? for a crankshaft pulley.

CRaSHnBuRN
01-09-2006, 11:50 PM
meh, thats nothing. When I traded the my last rig for the buggy the only original parts were the transmission, gas tank, rear axle housing and frame. It was still all toyota, but alot of vehicles gave thier life for that thing

CheapJeep
01-10-2006, 07:45 PM
I went to Smiley's today to get the lines, but they had to order in the fittings which I'll pick up with my seat covers in a few days. I did get an Optima redtop to fit in my new battery tray.
I am picking up the Jeep TOMORROW!!! Finally I can get it home and do the little odds and ends I need to and go wheelin'.

Odd's/End's that I'll do when it comes home- get hoses for p.s., get belt for p.s. pump, drill out straps for front driveshaft and install. Other than that I just need to bleed the brakes and fire it up. I got a couple hills in the back I could flex it out on and test everything, I just want to bring it back with me to school so I can keep working on it. I was talking to my dad about the situation of me having a way to get it around up there and for trips, and since he needs the big trailer he said he's buying me a carhauler or something. Problem is, today is his last day in town for awhile and when he gets back he'll be too busy with rodeo so I really need to get on taking care of the inspection, registration, etc... just in case I need to make it street legal. The only thing it needs for that is to rewire the blinker module. Oh yeah, and another reason it might need to be streetable is that I have NO truck at the moment.

Sharpe
01-10-2006, 10:30 PM
If you dont get the trailer in time make a towbar and flat tow it.

CheapJeep
01-10-2006, 11:12 PM
I just talked to my dad about the trailer issue and he said we'll figure it out but until then just take his. So that's cool, I'll take some pics tomorrow of my pile flexing on a load of dirt in the front pasture, I can't guarantee that one of the horses won't try to be in the pic though. They always follow me around when I'm mowing....freakin' idiots.

CheapJeep
01-11-2006, 12:33 PM
Just finished chores, now I'm loaded up and going to get my rig...hell yeah!

CheapJeep
01-11-2006, 08:16 PM
Got it home, did a little wrenching and took it for a spin. It's idling pretty high considering I have the set screw all the way out. Also I ran into an overheating problem which I think is the thermostat stuck in place, but my grandpa is coming down to lend a hand in the diagnosis. Have a power steering belt, but I still need to get the lines. Went to NAPA and they didn't have the right fittings so I went to a hose shop where I knew the guy there but he wouldn't have the fittings in until Monday so I think I'll try and find a different shop instead of waiting.
Didn't get any pics of wheeling, it got dark pretty quick so I didn't have time to install the front driveshaft since I was too busy working on other stuff, so I left it in 2 and did a little flexing.
Tomorrow I'll change fluids all the way around, install front driveshaft, finish putting passenger seat and harness in, bleed the brakes some more, etc...

CheapJeep
01-12-2006, 08:48 PM
Got some stuff done today. Front driveshaft installed, pass. seat and harness installed, and ran down some parts. I get to go back to Smiley's tomorrow to pick up the steel braided lines, plus I'm still searching for the fittings to do the power steering lines.
I did get to put it in 4 and wheel though.
I did succeed in catching my pants on fire while welding and blew a u-joint in the front driveshaft.
I hadn't shaved enough off the yokes on the driveshaft and front axle so it bound up whenever I was at full droop causing the u-joint to break. I limped it back to the shop and replaced it after shaving the yokes down some more. I made sure not to go shave them too far so they wouldn't weaken though.

Pics-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep081.jpg
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stx4wheeler
01-12-2006, 09:02 PM
take some in the daylight or learn to use the camera :flipoff2:

robertf03
01-12-2006, 09:02 PM
are these power steering line fittings for the rolls royce junk?

you really need to ditch that rolls royce crap and go back to stock. I'm betting more rolls royces have saginaw pumps than the other way around.

CheapJeep
01-12-2006, 09:40 PM
That's what I was thinking since I've been to 3 different places and it just seems to be too much trouble. Like Davido said, where are you going to find parts for the thing? I'll just go down to one of the parts stores tomorrow and pick up a saginaw pump. It'll be alot easier to make lines for a jeep pump and Gm box than trying to find all the fittings for the damn rolls royce ****. I only thought it was bling til' I figured out no one has any fittings for em'. I wonder if I one of the parts stores would stock the bracket to hold the pump on or should I just use the one that we made?

RCcola55
01-12-2006, 09:55 PM
whats next, paint?

and how comfortable are those seats

CheapJeep
01-12-2006, 10:02 PM
The seats suck right now without the covers. I'm still waiting on Smiley's to get them in from Jaz in California.
Steel braided lines
Finish power steering (I nearly broke my arms tonight trying to steer the thing with the front end locked)
Install my new tailights
That's it for this phase. Which I'll hopefull complete by tomorrow.
Next comes-
fab new dash with autometer gauges, c.b. setup I got for Christmas, some sort of sound system. Then paint. I'm line-xing the interior black, btf kit and cage will be fire engine red, body will be black.
As of now it's pretty much ready to go, my grandpa is coming tomorrow to help with the cooling issue, then we'll work on all the p.s. stuff and brakelines.

Graystroke
01-12-2006, 10:12 PM
where are you at? try British Parts Unlimited (or something like that) in the H-town area. they are on Hempstead dr. or hell may be in Hempstead..I can't remember. If in CS call Bill Labarge at the Bug Clinic in Bryan. If they are in the Houston Area he can have them there next day in Bryan.

AggieTJ2007
01-12-2006, 10:28 PM
looks pretty good, i know that you can get a ford pump for like $40, but you will need to get a core out of a junkyard to get the $50 core charge back

CheapJeep
01-12-2006, 10:54 PM
I had a cheby pump but I couldn't find a v-belt pulley in time so Bill and them took the pump that had a v-belt pulley off the Rolls car they were building and put it on the Jeep. Flem and ya'll are right, I might be able to get the lines made but it will be a pain not to mention I'll never be able to find parts if I break on the trail. If I just get the stock pump and bracket it will be a straight bolt on and I can have the lines made at NAPA like I had originally planned since all the fittings are standard.

robertf03
01-12-2006, 11:20 PM
since saginaw pumps and boxes are factory for jeeps why don't you use a factory bracket and hose?

ebay has a few v8 and i6 brackets on there right now.

CheapJeep
01-12-2006, 11:26 PM
I'll pick up a saginaw pump tomorrow, but do you think the parts store's would have the bracket too? If not I can just get one off ebay like your saying or use the one we made. Could I mate the GM fittings to the stock lines or I imagine it'd be just as easy to have NAPA make the lines since they carry the fittings?

Sharpe
01-12-2006, 11:45 PM
since saginaw pumps and boxes are factory for jeeps why don't you use a factory bracket and hose?

ebay has a few v8 and i6 brackets on there right now.
This is what I was going to recomend. My jeep has factory power steering and it has a saginaw pump. I doubt the parts store will have the brackets, that is a junkyard item. You probably wont have to have hoses custom made, unless you want to spend stupid amounts of money. I believe all saginaw pumps have the same fitting (only one is a fitting, the other is a hose barb and is part of the reservoir).

robertf03
01-12-2006, 11:47 PM
What fittings are you talking about? are you running the stock jeep gear box? if you're steering box has o-ring fittings then get a pressure line for an 81 cj with a 304. if it's got flared fittings then get one for a 78 with a 304.

Sharpe
01-12-2006, 11:48 PM
His steering box has o-rings, its off an 85 S10 blazer.

robertf03
01-12-2006, 11:49 PM
then its got to be 81 and later. You have a v8, right? 81 is the last year of the v8 and the first year of the o-ring.

CheapJeep
01-12-2006, 11:53 PM
Nope, it's got a 258. So I'll need o-ring fittings for both? I'm getting lost here... :confused:

Sharpe
01-12-2006, 11:54 PM
On the later model jeeps with o-ring fittings, are their fittings metric too? Cause chevies are.

robertf03
01-12-2006, 11:56 PM
Nope, it's got a 258. So I'll need o-ring fittings for both? I'm getting lost here... :confused:

go to the parts store and get a power steering line for an 81 cj with a 258 ;)

it'll have the ends you need for the steering box. You will need to get an 81 or newer steering pump so that it accepts the new style hose that your steering box uses.

CheapJeep
01-12-2006, 11:56 PM
So get a saginaw pump, use existing bracket or drill some new holes, buy o-ring pressure lines for 81 and later CJ? Is this correct?

CheapJeep
01-12-2006, 11:58 PM
Ah I see. BTW- on the box there are two threaded outlets, so which one is LP and HP, and I'll need two lines right?

robertf03
01-13-2006, 12:01 AM
Ah I see. BTW- on the box there are two threaded outlets, so which one is LP and HP, and I'll need two lines right?

correct, but on the return line you normally have a barbed fitting threaded into the gear box and use hose clamps and hose to reach the back of the barbed fitting on the pump resevoir.

Sharpe
01-13-2006, 12:02 AM
I believe the one closer to the frame will be the high pressure side, and the one away from the frame the low pressure. You might need a barb fitting to screw into the low pressure side to connect it to the reservoir, but I'm not sure. One way to tell for sure what side is high and low pressure is to just get the hose, the bends in the metal end are usually prety indicative.

robertf03
01-13-2006, 12:03 AM
I believe the one closer to the frame will be the high pressure side, and the one away from the frame the low pressure. You might need a barb fitting to screw into the low pressure side to connect it to the reservoir, but I'm not sure. One way to tell for sure what side is high and low pressure is to just get the hose, the bends in the metal end are usually prety indicative.

pretty sure the thread is different too. bigger for the supply side. and yes, they are metric on the o-ring style.

eight
01-13-2006, 12:23 AM
I have one or 2 of those power steering pump brackets.

CheapJeep
01-13-2006, 12:28 AM
pm'd you.

CheapJeep
01-13-2006, 03:46 PM
Fixed overheating problem. It was the thermostat like I had thought. Replaced it, adjusted carb and fixed the idling problem. It's running awesome, you barely even know it's running but it has a good exhaust tone considering it's a $16 muffler. Also fixed the nastyness coming from a bolt being an 1/8 of an inch too long on the extra crankshaft pulley, a couple washers to space it out and it was perfect, no more noise.
While at the parts store I had the pump on the counter and was ready to guy it, but they didn't have any v-belt pulley's available at any stores, nor a cap for the reservoir. So I didn't buy it. I'm just going to pull the pump I have now off take it to J&B and have them make me 2 sets of lines so I'll have a spare.
I also did a little body work....Took the sawzaw and cut out some sheetmetal for my new taillights. I got them all wired up and now I even have blinkers. :laughing:

CheapJeep
01-13-2006, 03:56 PM
Sorry didn't get to finish my post, I did take it for a drive and no problems....yet. I drove over to my neighbor who I bought it from and she flipped the **** out. She didn't even recognize it at first and thought it was cool.
I'm eatin' some lunch then I'll go take some pics of it in action. :gigem:

uglyota
01-13-2006, 04:04 PM
redline and drop the clutch.
best way to find your weak spots without actually wheeling
:D

CheapJeep
01-13-2006, 04:20 PM
I had my grandpa riding with me up the road when I hammered the throttle and the tires broke loose in 1st gear...he told me before we left to take it easy. I wish I had a picture of the look on his face..... :laughing:

uglyota
01-13-2006, 04:26 PM
pills? Whaddaya need those for old timer? Looks like we got a little oil pressure problem. She's running reeeeel hot!

CheapJeep
01-13-2006, 08:57 PM
Here's some from today flexing on another load of dirt and in the ditch. I apoligize for my four legged friends constantly trying to be in the pics. I think they just like following me around.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep098.jpg
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Reckless
01-13-2006, 08:59 PM
pics not working!

CheapJeep
01-13-2006, 09:00 PM
Now? Oh and this ***** is street legal baby, I got the blinkers, flashers, taillights, and high beam switch all working. Now it's time for inspection. :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
01-13-2006, 11:12 PM
BTW- Did I mention that I blew another u-joint? I'm getting really good at replacing them.... Turns out since the pinion yoke is a strap type with no type of hold for the u-joint like ones that use u-bolts, the u-joint kept sliding out when I was at full droop causing the caps to bust off. So I shaved the yokes down some more and tacked the caps in. All better now. I'm amazed at how quiet it is. You don't even know it's running. I have to give props to Crieghton for his bang up job on filling in the 2" exhaust pipe to 2.25" muff in/out.
Driving down the road was the funniest thing ever since neighbors had only remembered the old stock Jeep. They were like, "so that's what all that noise in the shop has been late at night..." :D It rides pretty nice but I seriously need my damn seat covers.

CheapJeep
01-14-2006, 01:03 AM
I was going to drill through the yoke until I placed a nut up to the back and saw that it wouldn't fit. I'll end up just getting another yoke to save time. Let me load a pic of the fender at full flex so you can get a better look.

CheapJeep
01-14-2006, 01:07 AM
It's clearing by about an inch or so. But that's not fully flexed I don't think.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep110.jpg

CheapJeep
01-14-2006, 01:29 AM
I'm gonna see what I can do about bringing it back with me Sunday or Monday so I can keep working on it up there. I really need to figure out where I can keep it without people messing with it. Maybe at my apartment since it's gated but otherwise I might have to ask about keeping it out there off 21 where my sister lives? :confused:
If I get to bring it, I'll make sure and take one of the sawzaw's as well.

AggieTJ2007
01-14-2006, 12:14 PM
looks good

HULK-1
01-14-2006, 01:03 PM
looks good robbie

CheapJeep
01-14-2006, 04:06 PM
Thanks.
I picked up my brake lines from Smiley's and also brought the Rolls p.s. pump with me to check to see if they had the fittings. Sure enough they had them. So I bought enough to make both hp and lp lines as well as have a spare set just in case. I have one line made right now, but had to take a lunch break.

stx4wheeler
01-14-2006, 07:09 PM
now you need to go buy another rolls pump, cause a lot of time it is the pump that fails not the lines...also have you gotten a new shaft yet cause that one you got with a welded yoke aint gonna work so bueno...looking a lot better

CheapJeep
01-14-2006, 07:14 PM
Yeah I'm still lookin' for an inner short side. I got all the power steering hooked up but I don't know if it's working yet cuz we didn't bleed the lines.

AggieTJ2007
01-14-2006, 08:59 PM
the only way to bleed the lines is let it run, and turn the wheel back and forth.

Also I think Ive got a short side inner for you w/ stub shaft. Its a dodge 44 w/ the flat tops....right?

CheapJeep
01-15-2006, 12:59 AM
Yes it's a flat top dodge 44. I'll double check and make sure I connected the lines right, but it seems like I have no p.s.? Maybe jacking the front end up and going full lock to lock for awhile will help it?

CheapJeep
01-15-2006, 01:02 AM
I read Robert's post about the hp and lp lines and I think I have them backwards. Time to switch it tomorrow.