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robertf03
10-25-2005, 07:31 PM
Kind of like Sunray, but better.

This is going to look kick ass sitting next to the 401

Graystroke
10-25-2005, 10:12 PM
what kind of warranty will it carry?

robertf03
10-25-2005, 11:13 PM
its an attention span based warranty

I think all that crap already weighs more than a stock cj dana 30.

tigweld
10-26-2005, 07:33 AM
lightning holes in the C's and knuckles, your a machinist now right? :flipoff2:

agjohn02
10-26-2005, 12:11 PM
lightning holes in the C's and knuckles, your a machinist now right? :flipoff2:


they're called AWD's: anti-weight distributors

redcagepatrol
10-26-2005, 01:30 PM
I think I'm going to build one pretty soon also...

uglyota
10-26-2005, 01:42 PM
can we place bets on whose is completed first? Or even gets off the ground? :flipoff2:

tigweld
10-26-2005, 02:29 PM
I want one too, 40 spline

tigweld
10-26-2005, 02:32 PM
they're called AWD's: anti-weight distributors=lightning holes


fixed it :flipoff2:

Fredo
10-26-2005, 02:38 PM
actually, I think the spelling you were going for is lightening....not lightning....***** :flipoff2:

uglyota
10-26-2005, 02:42 PM
I thought they were go fast holes :D

Chadnutz
10-26-2005, 02:57 PM
Flem...You started before me and you still aren't done. Why is it that I catch all the **** while you sit in the background slowly taking 2 steps forward and 3 steps back on your 6+ year project? :flipoff2:

Fredo
10-26-2005, 03:01 PM
Flem...You started before me and you still aren't done. Why is it that I catch all the **** while you sit in the background slowly taking 2 steps forward and 3 steps back on your 6+ year project? :flipoff2:

A.) He's staying quiet about his project

B.) He didn't start a 2million page thread where he argued with anybody that
gave him advice

C.) He's not a giant ****ing douchebag.

:gigem:

jerryg79
10-26-2005, 03:23 PM
A.) He's staying quiet about his project

B.) He didn't start a 2million page thread where he argued with anybody that
gave him advice

C.) He's not a giant ****ing douchebag.

:gigem:

D) He receives full immunity from any ball-busting cause he got freaky-deaky with mike's sister :gigem:

agjohn02
10-26-2005, 03:33 PM
actually, I think the spelling you were going for is lightening....not lightning....***** :flipoff2:


i wasnt going to point that out, also it may well be a play on words

uglyota
10-26-2005, 03:35 PM
D) He receives full immunity from any ball-busting cause he got freaky-deaky with mike's sister :gigem:
Pam? So Zenner lost? :D

BMFScout
10-26-2005, 03:46 PM
Flem...You started before me and you still aren't done. Why is it that I catch all the **** while you sit in the background slowly taking 2 steps forward and 3 steps back on your 6+ year project? :flipoff2:

It's because Flem is funny, and funny erases all debts in my book...

agjohn02
10-26-2005, 04:57 PM
It's because Flem is funny, and funny erases all debts in my book...


but his name is nutz.... thats funny, right?

eight
10-26-2005, 05:40 PM
I may also build a 9" front.

robertf03
10-26-2005, 05:49 PM
can we place bets on whose is completed first? Or even gets off the ground? :flipoff2:


I'll be working on mine for 20 minutes a day after lunch, except for friday's when I have to cash my check at the liqour store :flipoff2:

BMFScout
11-04-2005, 09:12 AM
this thing is going to be pimp...

robertf03
11-04-2005, 01:24 PM
half way done, right jimmy?

uglyota
11-14-2005, 06:42 PM
the new Crawl mag has a writeup on how to build one of these:
order centersection from Strange
order knuckles from Crane
a little bit of 3" DOM
cut, press, weld, paint
baddabing baddaboom, slap in third member of your choice and go.
Easy afternoon job :gigem:

eight
11-14-2005, 06:45 PM
I have 2 of those axles with housings you want. Only 46" wide and with 5somethin gears though. I like to trade. What you got? me wantum 401.

tigweld
11-15-2005, 08:59 AM
doubtin he wants to get rid of a 401

robertf03
11-15-2005, 06:33 PM
doubtin he wants to get rid of a 401

correct, but I would trade an autographed picture of Andrew Jackson in exchange for a housing. How does that sound?

eight
11-15-2005, 06:44 PM
What is said picture worth on Ebay?

bburris
11-15-2005, 07:13 PM
He didn't say who's autograph...

http://www.reportonmoney.com/articles/images/US%20Twenty%20Dollar%20Bill.jpg

robertf03
11-15-2005, 07:23 PM
He didn't say who's autograph...


;)

stx4wheeler
12-11-2005, 12:30 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=420834

here you go flem

robertf03
12-11-2005, 05:10 PM
nice. Thats the housing I need. Looks like he sleeved the stock 60 tubing rather turn and press new tubing in the knuckles. Not how I'd do it, but I wouldn't paint it red either.

agjohn02
12-11-2005, 07:32 PM
wonder why he didnt just use a cut-off tool?

uglyota
12-12-2005, 12:45 PM
wow, using a weaker, less-common center so you can keep radius arms makes almost as much sense as using a weaker, less-common center so you can keep leaf springs :flipoff2:

redcagepatrol
12-12-2005, 02:04 PM
wow, using a weaker, less-common center so you can keep radius arms makes almost as much sense as using a weaker, less-common center so you can keep leaf springs :flipoff2:
What's so less-common and weaker about a Ford 9?

uglyota
12-12-2005, 02:09 PM
the EB 9" is harder to find, and apparently weaker

redcagepatrol
12-12-2005, 02:12 PM
The 9" center can be built alot stronger than the D60 and have MUCH more ground clearence. 9" centers and housings are very easy to find. I would say they are a whole lot easier than finding a D60 center.

uglyota
12-12-2005, 02:14 PM
EB:)

edit: if there's a class or something that you need to run leaf springs in, that makes sense. Otherwise I think if you have the skills to build a hybrid axle, then you probably have the skills to link your front suspension

StevenAg03
12-12-2005, 02:17 PM
a center other then an EB one can be used...its just the one that flem prefers.

agjohn02
12-12-2005, 05:03 PM
The 9" center can be built alot stronger than the D60 and have MUCH more ground clearence. 9" centers and housings are very easy to find. I would say they are a whole lot easier than finding a D60 center.


they're talking about the old dtyle, non-webbed, small pumpkin 9"

robertf03
12-12-2005, 07:20 PM
wow, using a weaker, less-common center so you can keep radius arms makes almost as much sense as using a weaker, less-common center so you can keep leaf springs :flipoff2:

says the man with the toyota :flipoff2:

I've got my reasons why I want to keep it this way. It goes against the opinion of the majority that says full width is a good thing, but its how I want it.

robertf03
04-12-2006, 10:18 PM
anyone with a single wheel gm 60 sitting around want to measure the center of the kingpin cap to the mounting surface for me?

redcagepatrol
04-13-2006, 01:17 PM
I think Brett has one.

I have a Dodge and a Ford...

73bronco
04-13-2006, 01:58 PM
you still want that 9inch from the other EB?

robertf03
04-13-2006, 06:05 PM
no, found one off an f150. de-tubed it already

bburris
04-13-2006, 11:01 PM
If I was close to it I would, but it's across the state right now...

Busa
04-14-2006, 06:05 AM
what you wont for it

73bronco
04-14-2006, 05:56 PM
$50

robertf03
11-25-2006, 01:10 AM
Spent part of the day drawing this up

waiting on a quote for some 3.125 .438 DOM

I really wanted to use .375 wall tubing, but once the tubing is turned down to fit the housing it would be too thin in my opinion.

Factory dana 60 oil seals will not work, Looks like a 470684 seal is for the same shaft size and small enough O.D. that I can bore the already turned down axle tubing out and not run into problems.





Has anyone seen the inside of a Sunray 609? I'm curious as to what others are doing for oil seals.

robertf03
11-25-2006, 01:47 AM
and if any of you have a single wheel gm 60 sitting around I could really use the kingpin center to wheel mounting surface measurement.

Reckless
11-25-2006, 01:50 AM
I'll get that mesurement tommorow, or is the dually fronts different?

robertf03
11-25-2006, 02:00 AM
different, but that measurement would still help me out

Reckless
11-25-2006, 02:16 AM
how about from kingpin to outside of brake rotor mounting?

AggieTJ2007
11-25-2006, 10:30 AM
that should be very similar, get that measurement rowdy

Reckless
11-25-2006, 07:30 PM
didnt get measurements today, someone ran off with my tape measure. will try to get tommorow

redcagepatrol
11-26-2006, 08:12 PM
and if any of you have a single wheel gm 60 sitting around I could really use the kingpin center to wheel mounting surface measurement.
8.25". It's about 8-1/8" at the base of the kingpin and about 8-3/8" to the grease zerk on top of the cap.

basically, add 16.5" to get your WMS to WMS from your housing.

another method: add 9.75" per side from the "C" casting face to get to the WMS.

robertf03
11-26-2006, 08:16 PM
thanks scott

was yours a single wheel gm?

is the zerk centered over the kingpin?

redcagepatrol
11-26-2006, 09:04 PM
yes and yes.

I am running Chevy outers on my Ford housing. Custom brake brackets and a 6 lug bearing hub - but the spacing is the same.

robertf03
11-26-2006, 09:22 PM
did you make your brake brackets or get them from that guy on pirate?

redcagepatrol
11-26-2006, 09:39 PM
from Mad 4x4 $20 ea.

robertf03
03-06-2007, 10:09 PM
time to get back to work on this.
ordered jig materials today and sent out a bunch of quote requests for 3.125 x .313 DOM. Having difficulty finding a place that will sell less than a full stick of an odd size material

I think this is how it will end up as far as tube lengths go. might change after some more thinking.

redcagepatrol
03-07-2007, 08:25 AM
try them?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5096526
or there is someplace on the internet that sells small quanties too - don't have any time to search for ya right now

tigweld
03-07-2007, 10:37 AM
http://www.shapirosupply.com/ they ship small quantities I bought like 3 feet of 1.125 x .219 dom from them when I was in highschool

robertf03
03-07-2007, 01:03 PM
7 no's, awaiting 3 returned calls and that guy on pirate says he could but not for a few weeks.

robertf03
03-07-2007, 02:11 PM
488.80 for 8'

Fredo
03-07-2007, 02:13 PM
yeeooowww!

Reckless
03-07-2007, 02:15 PM
Good god, what is it, gold?

CRaSHnBuRN
03-07-2007, 02:35 PM
Just how long of piece would you need to do each side of the axle? I know this sounds ghetto, but could you cut up an old axle housing to get the necessary amount of tubing? I don't know if any rear axles would yield a long enough piece for what you need, or be the correct diameter, but hell for that price you could get a D60 housing from highhonda on pirate, then recoup some of your money reselling the left over diff and Cs


edit: or better yet, chop up that D60 you bought from me. That thing would probably yield you all the tubing you need :flipoff2:

robertf03
03-07-2007, 02:50 PM
.500 wall

CRaSHnBuRN
03-07-2007, 04:41 PM
remind me once again why you need the ID you do?

robertf03
03-07-2007, 05:25 PM
every pound counts.

If I didn't care about weight I would have just outboarded the springs and ran hummer wheels on a stock 60, not what I'm going for.

CRaSHnBuRN
03-07-2007, 05:33 PM
Well it will definitely lighten your pocket book :flipoff2:





Unsprung weight is good, plus it would suck to build this thing and bend it. Save weight other places.

robertf03
03-07-2007, 05:34 PM
Well it will definitely lighten your pocket book :flipoff2:





Unsprung weight is good, plus it would suck to build this thing and bend it. Save weight other places.

No weight is good, unsprung is better than sprung IMO.

I'm going to keep looking for this size, I'll find it somewhere.

agjohn02
03-07-2007, 07:07 PM
have you read camo's ultimate 60 thread?

BMFScout
03-08-2007, 01:05 AM
I was just on the crapper looking at Crawl. I saw an ad for a Spidertrax 9" housing for $400. What's wrong with that? I don't doubt that the Flemco 9 will be the most awesome axle known to man, but it looks like you cut it to length and weld on your 60 outers? High clearance, awesome looking, much easier? I realize you want to run your springs as God and jeep intended them in the stock location under the frame, but couldn't you cut into the pumpkin part and weld in a perch? Seems like a lot less headache.

eight
03-08-2007, 06:59 AM
Why build a kickass axle and hold it to the frame with some arched pieces of flat bar?

robertf03
03-08-2007, 06:20 PM
sweet, metal supermarket to the rescue.

I've seen some housings like that jimmy, and noone ever shows what they do for oil seals.

ryan, I can add coils later if I want, but for now stockish suspension is what I want.

Fredo
03-09-2007, 01:33 PM
what was the damage from Metal Supermarket?

robertf03
03-09-2007, 06:06 PM
28 bones a ft, no minimum order. Pretty good when you consider its DOM and a really wierd size.

Fredo
03-09-2007, 06:12 PM
yeah, not too bad compared to the 488 quote you got earlier.

robertf03
03-09-2007, 06:22 PM
well I have not placed an order yet...

I got to thinking and the only reason I picked 3.125 is because that is the ID of the inner knuckle. I think it might be a better idea to sleeve the last 2" of the tubing with some 3.25 or so (whatever is common and cheap), weld it, then turn it down to 3.125.

its cheaper by 2 bucks a foot too and everybody stocks it.

robertf03
03-09-2007, 07:10 PM
looks like a stock short side axle might work on this. if so, theres plenty left over to lop off a stock long side and respline. bonus.

anyone w/ a kingpin 60 know how far the ujoint centerline sticks out past the tubing face?

Graystroke
03-09-2007, 09:29 PM
put coil mounts on it and throw it under the rover?

agjohn02
03-09-2007, 11:09 PM
looks like a stock short side axle might work on this. if so, theres plenty left over to lop off a stock long side and respline. bonus.

anyone w/ a kingpin 60 know how far the ujoint centerline sticks out past the tubing face?


no, i dont know, but the kingpin has to run right through the u-joint center to keep it from binding. you have C's, no? measure it.

redcagepatrol
03-10-2007, 09:21 AM
looks like a stock short side axle might work on this. if so, theres plenty left over to lop off a stock long side and respline. bonus.

anyone w/ a kingpin 60 know how far the ujoint centerline sticks out past the tubing face?
looks like 2.5"

robertf03
03-16-2007, 05:36 PM
jig

robertf03
05-24-2007, 07:16 PM
and that's how it's done

redcagepatrol
05-24-2007, 07:24 PM
is that in your kitchen??? :gigem:

It's been like a year and you just got the housing done :p

robertf03
05-24-2007, 07:29 PM
is that in your kitchen??? :gigem:


It's been like a year and you just got the housing done :p

it was my last day to have lunch time access to the lathe :gigem:

BMFScout
05-25-2007, 09:20 AM
badass! Is that built to certified YJ specs?

robertf03
05-27-2007, 07:21 PM
maybe, the YJ that was parked across the street isnt there anymore to measure on, and the blue one is living on a farm for a little bit.

If someone with a YJ could measure the front axles vertical centerline to pinion distance that would kickass.

agjohn02
06-04-2007, 12:40 PM
have you bought 60 outters yet?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=276163&stc=1&d=1165383435

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=276164&stc=1&d=1165383435

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=276165&stc=1&d=1165383544

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=276166&stc=1&d=1165383544

redcagepatrol
06-04-2007, 12:49 PM
red X's

robertf03
06-04-2007, 12:50 PM
need spindles and wheel hubs

agjohn02
06-04-2007, 12:56 PM
red X's
...

robertf03
06-04-2007, 01:41 PM
different... 2.5 ton outters? I've heard of people putting 1 ton outters on 2.5 ton to get good brakes, but never the other way around.

agjohn02
06-04-2007, 01:47 PM
planetary

CRaSHnBuRN
06-04-2007, 06:27 PM
planetary

ZF planetaries from those chevy airplane tugs, right?

AggieTJ2007
06-04-2007, 08:11 PM
check out his pirate thread

robertf03
06-04-2007, 08:22 PM
I don't have one

bburris
06-04-2007, 08:46 PM
He means the one where the pictures John posted are.

agjohn02
06-04-2007, 11:16 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533405

Sharpe
03-05-2008, 02:15 AM
So who'd you end up selling this thing to Flem? :flipoff2:

Sharpe
04-15-2008, 07:38 PM
And the answer is...


Creighton!

Fredo
04-16-2008, 08:23 AM
We knew that like 4 months ago....where have you been?

Sharpe
04-16-2008, 09:02 AM
Eat me:flipoff2: I didnt know till Creighton told me this weekend.

jerryg79
04-16-2008, 09:04 AM
Eat me:flipoff2: I didnt know till Creighton told me this weekend.

you're gay! there, now you know another thing we've all known for quite a while.

you're welcome!