Beadlocking my 16.5's

[Doug Krebs]

So I had planned on buying H2 rims for the buggy and getting some kinda tire in the 17" variety. However, my 16.5" rims are beat to hell anyways, and one looses air because the edge of the bead is beat up.

So, I think I "found" a big enough piece of aluminum up at work to cut 4 17" rings out. For the outer ring I'm going to use regular steel so they'll hold up better. Another reason is that steel should be "found" also.

Most people don't mess with 16.5's because they don't have a safety lock. I've read a couple threads where people weld a bead around the circumference of the rim where a noral safety lock would be. I drew a line where I'd roughly weld a bead. Anyone see drawbacks to this?

[bburris]

So you want to weld a bead on those wheels for now, and then beadlock some 17s when you get around to it?

[Doug Krebs]

no bead lock the 16.5's now... I think the 17" ring confused you. This rim which is a 16.5 diameter would need a 17" inner ring.

[bburris]

Why weld a bead on the inside of the wheel?

[Doug Krebs]

Why weld a bead on the inside of the wheel?

the inner bead has no protection. While the beadlock would solve the outer beads problem, it won't solve the inner beads problems.

[eight]

Do it

There's a hill of stainless donuts about the right size at my work.

[Doug Krebs]

Do it

There's a hill of stainless donuts about the right size at my work.

sweet, snag me 5 for outer rings. Stainless would be bling :gigem:

[bburris]

Oh. That's the inner bead. I'm retarded.

In that case, do it.

[uglyota]

do the rings basically bring the 16.5" lip out to 17"?
if so won't you need 8(10) of them?
and how are you planning to center the tires on the rims, won't you have to center it with 1/4" of gap between tire bead and seat on the rim?
maybe I don't know anything about the differences btw 16.5 and 17" rims

[Doug Krebs]

do the rings basically bring the 16.5" lip out to 17"?
if so won't you need 8(10) of them?
and how are you planning to center the tires on the rims, won't you have to center it with 1/4" of gap between tire bead and seat on the rim?
maybe I don't know anything about the differences btw 16.5 and 17" rims

wtf??

there is no 17" rim or tire involved here

picture of dimensions for clarification...

[Doug Krebs]

do the rings basically bring the 16.5" lip out to 17"?
if so won't you need 8(10) of them?
and how are you planning to center the tires on the rims, won't you have to center it with 1/4" of gap between tire bead and seat on the rim?
maybe I don't know anything about the differences btw 16.5 and 17" rims

Also, i will need 4 aluminum rings that will weld to the rim and 4 steel rings that will clamp the tire onto the rim.

centering it will be like centering any other beadlock.

[uglyota]

oh now I get it
why don't you get some rim screws for the inside bead instead of welding that lip on it?

[stx4wheeler]

cause for rims screws you need a 3 things a budweiser-tall boy of course, dale earnheardt hat, and last but of course not least and the most complicated of these three a mullet. Now if doug grows a mullet before clayton then yes he can use rims screws.

[agjohn02]

no really... these rim screws you speak of... they are a good idea























then you can get some real wheels when you realize they suck and leak and suck :flipoff2:

[jerryg79]

Double the aderal dose, reconsider, if this is still a good idea, wash rinse repeat.

per Karl :flipoff2:

[eight]

How thick is your aluminum? Maybe enough that you could machine a ridge into it to center the tire?

Like so.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/ryankopecki/misc/beadlock.jpg

[AggieTJ2007]

here a link to an install of the rim screws. Like it says if you don't penetrate the bead they won't leak and you can add some RTV to make sure

http://chevyhiperformance.com/howto/148_0402_pin/

[agjohn02]

i like the "special" moroso "self tapping" screws

http://chevyhiperformance.com/howto/148_0402_pin_01_z.jpg


all this will accomplish is making it impossible to reseat a tire on the trail without taking the screws out, reseating, then repeat when it de-beads again. they are for keeping it from spinning not de-beading.

[uglyota]

yes but these (http://www.inchwormgear.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=56) are designed for keeping the bead on the rim AND keeping the tire from spinning on the rim

[eight]

yes but these (http://www.inchwormgear.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=56) are designed for keeping the bead on the rim AND keeping the tire from spinning on the rim

"designed" for?

They're ****ing screws.

[uglyota]

okay "selected" for, "chosen" for
The same way your 3/8" allen head cap screws have come to be used as spring pins
or how at least a little bit of 7018 rod and plumbing pipe can be found on nearly every square inch of your jeep :flipoff2:

[stx4wheeler]

if its such a great idea eric you do it first and report your findings.

or everyone should run stock 5 or 6.5 inch wide wheels like pollock on a 12.5 or 13.5 and badda bing problem solved.

[uglyota]

I gots other things to spend my $49.95 on and I don't lose beads

[Doug Krebs]

Double the aderal dose, reconsider, if this is still a good idea, wash rinse repeat.

per Karl :flipoff2:

this would be one of the last things done...

I'll hopefully finish or get almost done on the steering arms tommorow night. Couldn't work on them today because the ME machine shop was closed and I needed a few things from there to get them done.

Friday night I hope to get the 14 bolt problems solved.

Saturday I'll spend messing with the 60.

[RCcola55]

i thought we had scotti convinced on the screw idea, maybe he should be the first to try, seems to have the biggest problem with losing bead in the club

[eight]

okay "selected" for, "chosen" for
The same way your 3/8" allen head cap screws have come to be used as spring pins
or how at least a little bit of 7018 rod and plumbing pipe can be found on nearly every square inch of your jeep :flipoff2:

You will find no plumbing pipe on jeep. Do me a favor. Stay off pirate for a few months. I'm getting tired of hearing all their bull**** here.

[Doug Krebs]

i thought we had scotti convinced on the screw idea, maybe he should be the first to try, seems to have the biggest problem with losing bead in the club

thats because I haven't wheeled in a while! If he had 16.5's he'd never keep the bead seated :flipoff2:

[CheapJeep]

I don't know why anyone's bashing using screw type beadlocks? Many drag cars run their rear tires like that and the pressure fluctuates all the time with no problem. Now I'm not saying that running at 8 psi with screw beadlocks will work or not, I don't know but hell "if it works for them it'll work for you," or at least I like to think so.

[Doug Krebs]

I have access to a Tig welder, better yet, the consumables are free. Now why the hell would I want to screw my tire on?

Hmm now that I think of it, I might be able to use the new spool gun the department got. I'm not sure if they've ever used it though.

[uglyota]

You will find no plumbing pipe on jeep. Do me a favor. Stay off pirate for a few months. I'm getting tired of hearing all their bull**** here.
:rolleyes:

[agjohn02]

I don't know why anyone's bashing using screw type beadlocks? Many drag cars run their rear tires like that and the pressure fluctuates all the time with no problem. Now I'm not saying that running at 8 psi with screw beadlocks will work or not, I don't know but hell "if it works for them it'll work for you," or at least I like to think so.


because the drag racers arent using them as bead locks. i cant believe im saying this but read the pirate thread, my head hurts.

[chevsu]

spool gun is the way to go.

[TxCruzr]

If you use the screws the way the drag guys do, all the screw is doing is keeping the tire from spinning on the rim. You hit the tire hard agains a rock or something and push that bead out past the screw, that screw is going to rip the bead a new one. If you run the screws like the inchworm site then all they're doing is acting as barrier behind the bead but not keeping it from spinning. Screws just seem like a short term bandaid for rockcrawling that just happens to jack your wheel up at the same time.

[AggieTJ2007]

I think what joeseph is saying makes the most sense

[stx4wheeler]

because the drag racers arent using them as bead locks. i cant believe im saying this but read the pirate thread, my head hurts.


forget pirate john super glue is where its at for cheap beadlocks.

[fbronco86]

Krebs dont you have a set of hummer rims?

[agjohn02]

forget pirate john super glue is where its at for cheap beadlocks.


rock on! dont bead lock it, JB it!!!!

[sasquatch]

25,000 psi epoxy

[Doug Krebs]

Krebs dont you have a set of hummer rims?

nope... those are almost as much work to do anyways

[fbronco86]

nope... those are almost as much work to do anyways


For some reason I thought you had a set. You should have bought my 37's on my 15 inch rims :gigem:

[BMFScout]

he had a set at one point b/c he picked them up from some dood in Dallas the same weekend of our epic Gilmer trip.

[fbronco86]

he had a set at one point b/c he picked them up from some dood in Dallas the same weekend of our epic Gilmer trip.

I thought that jew had a set of them some place. but that must have been for the dream buggy :flipoff2: I guess he sold them