Motor Mount suggestions

[8Runner]

So back in Katemcy, with the help of some great Kopecki engineering, we replaced some blown motor mount bushings with washers to keep my rig wheelable. Well, I stupidly thought they worked well enough to keep them that way for all the little wheeling trips between then & now and my motor has evidently been moving around a bit. I need to find a permanent fix before Clayton, because it has moved over enough that the belt is hitting the (already shimmed & clearanced) PS gear box. Suggestions? Should I weld up some mounts to avoid continuing to blow bushings? Buy new advanced adapter bushings to replace the ones I blew?

Thanks for the help!

[Jackasic]

do the spring bushing liek dave has.

[Cajun]

Yes, spring bushings are much like duct tape...they fix everything. :)

[agjohn02]

search. didnt we just do this a month ar so ago.

[BMFScout]

http://tamor.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6627

[agjohn02]

ah, a month and three days :flipoff2:

[8Runner]

http://tamor.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6627

Not sure those would work in a Toy frame - it's a little more cramped. I can see something similar working out great, I just need to find someone who makes them for this application.

[CRaSHnBuRN]

what do the mounts you use now look like? As for being tight, I don't think you can get much smaller than the ones I have, unless you ditch the bushing all together

[CRaSHnBuRN]

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/album163/100_0182.jpg

[8Runner]

I'll post a pic when I get home.

[uglyota]

the pics I posted in that other thread were on a 2nd gen runner/sbc application

[8Runner]

Ok here are a couple pics of my existing mounts. Brandon really thinks I should cut em off and start over or convert them to more of a cylinder bushing setup as suggested. My issue with this is, these are Advanced Adapter mounts, built for this application. Unless they are just poorly designed/made, why am I having problems? Maybe they are just crap and I just need to replace them, so be it. Of course, maybe they were just loose when I slammed the front end into a hole in katemcy & blew the bushings as the motor moved. Anyway take look and let me know whether you think it's worth replacing the bushings and giving these another try or whether I should just replace them altogether.

Sorry for the poor pic quality, it was DARK.

[TxCruzr]

The AA mounts are crap. Wish I would have known before I bought them. Take the time to swap them out.

[bburris]

Those are the same mounts I had from Novak that I started the other thread about. I didn't trust them so I sent them back.

[CRaSHnBuRN]

so is the upper mount basically causing the bolt to pivot (only word I could think of to really explain it) in the lower mount, therefore crushing the bushings and causing everything to move? Are the bolt holes wallowed out?

Here is an idea I have that would be a little easier then the bushing style mount, though it may not work. If the holes are wallowed out, or are larger than the bolt, drill them out and get a larger diameter bolt. Next, weld a piece of angle iron to the lower mount so that it sticks up, and over where the bolt goes, then drill it out as well and install a bolt long enough to go through, as well as some new bushings (you may want bushings above the mount as well now. If I'm not clear, think of the mount attached to the motor as a hiem joint in a steering system. Right now its in single shear. Doing what I described would place it in double shear, hopefully making it stronger and more resistant to movement.

If you had more room, I would just say trim the end of the mount attached to the engine, weld the part with the bushing to it, then weld the two tabs needed to the piece coming off the frame. Clear as mud?

[uglyota]

You could get some cheapo poly body mounts and replace them and see if that helps. Are you sure they're put together correctly? Should be a bushing between motor mount and frame mount, bushing below frame mount, big washer below this, metal sleeve through both bushings, bolt tightened to the sleeve. Works fine for body mounts, don't see why it shouldn't work here, and you wouldn't have to cut it all off and plate your frame and make new ones

[TxCruzr]

blah blah blah

Thats their problem. They allow the motor to shift and wallow out the bolt hole and kill the bushing. That and they seem to be made of the same crap the slave cylinder mount I got from them is made out of which appears to be cheap ass pot metal. The cruiser guys have had problems with the mounts bending. Same thing happens to my slave cylinder mount. I like the spring bushing mount just because it mounts everything pretty solid and doesn't allow for so much play.

[uglyota]

maybe weld a plate to the mount with a hole the right size drilled in it as a bandaid, until you have time to cut them off and replace with something like this:
http://www.marlincrawler.com/ftoy/139.jpg

[CRaSHnBuRN]

are those the ones on the #001 formula toy? Those things are works of art

[uglyota]

the Marlin one: #028

[agjohn02]

i like the durability of the bushing mounts but they are too stiff and transmit a lot of vibration to the frame. thats why i went to clamshell mounts.

[J Cooper]

damn which i would have seen those when i did my swap. that looks alot nicer than the advaned adapters ones, but do they make those for 350s? thats a 22re in the picture. but i do like the AA ones though.

what do yours look like john? mine transfers vibration too

[Sharpe]

http://www.downeyoff-road.com/EngineComponents/index.htm

Second one from the top. You're welcome :gigem:

[agjohn02]

what do yours look like john? mine transfers vibration too


http://tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4595&stc=1

http://tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4597&stc=1

[CRaSHnBuRN]

http://www.downeyoff-road.com/EngineComponents/index.htm

Second one from the top. You're welcome :gigem:

do not buy these, they make the advanced ones look quality. Just about everything downey builds is crap.

[eight]

Yall would like my mounts. :D

[fbronco86]

Yall would like my mounts. :D


You prob have some quick release mounts so you can swap motors huh :flipoff2:

[agjohn02]

Yall would like my mounts. :D


2 3/8" oil field pipe?

[BMFScout]

the word "schedule" will be involved in there somewhere...

[uglyota]

do not buy these, they make the advanced ones look quality. Just about everything downey builds is crap.
I think you're thinking about nwor. Downey's stuff is good

[Jackasic]

we are going to be working on it out at my place today.

[CRaSHnBuRN]

uh, actually, for a long time most of the downey and NWOR stuff was the exact same stuff, just different names on it. It was funny looking at thier catalogs seeing the exact same items, down to the pictures, and next to it there would be a blurb about the competitions stuff being junk. and Ronnie snapped one of downey's supposedly unbreakable motor mounts at mason

[uglyota]

anybody got some links to creative np205 mounts?

[8Runner]

Ok here is a pic of my bling-bling new motor mount that Eric & Brandon made. Also some pics of my hybrid Toy/Chevy crossmember setup. At Eric's suggestion I am emailing back & forth with budbuilt.com on possibly getting a whole new crossmember for $180. Not sure if that is worth the cost or wait for it to get here though.

EDIT: no redneck comments about the floor-jack & 2x4 tranny support - all 57 of Brandon's floorjacks are occupied by vehicles in various states of dissasembly & dust collection.

[AggieTJ2007]

those motor mounts look real nice

[Sharpe]

Sweet!

[uglyota]

gracias vatos
now does anybody have ideas for the center mount on that 205?

[BMFScout]

You were right Brandon, those 2x4's are worthless!!

[Jackasic]

yep, unless you need to booty fab something ;)

[8Runner]

So I ordered one of these. We'll fab the skidplate or move over my old one.

Should be able to do a shakedown run Sunday, but Saturday is out now.

http://www.budbuilt.com/new/images/BBSTDU.jpg

[agjohn02]

yep, unless you need to booty fab something ;)


you're welcome.

[BMFScout]

yep, unless you need to booty fab something ;)

so you use them everytime you work at the shop? ;)

[Jackasic]

***, dang busted

[agjohn02]

so you use them everytime you work at the shop? ;)


BURN!!!