Lynda's "CJ" Buildup Progress

[Fredo]

sweet! I like seeing a 5.3 in anything....even a jeep. (that might be the coors light talking) but regaurdless......get that thing going!

[fbronco86]

Looks pretty sweet.

[redcagepatrol]

What brake master cylinder do I need? I want a bolt in - what works?

I read about 1978 Ford big car - what else?

[eight]

For 4 wheel discs, 1968 corvette.

[agjohn02]

i keep seeing late model dodge talked about but i dont know if thats just because its a 4 wheel disc master or if it bolts in.

[bburris]

That's for late model YJs and people that can figure out how to extend the plunger for their TJs.

[agjohn02]

whats a late model YJ? you mean like scott's?

[agjohn02]

are you planning on using the stock truck manifolds, scott?

[bburris]

Yeah, like Scott's. I forgot that he was using a YJ tub...

[redcagepatrol]

so the 78 Ford one?, the 68 vette one?, or the late model dodge one?

What's my best bet for bolting to a YJ tub and working good?

I am currently planing on using the stock manifolds but it's going to be really close for the exhaust to frame to tub clearence.

[agjohn02]

i hear ls1 f-body manifolds work better.

[redcagepatrol]

there not in my garage bolted to the engine...

[agjohn02]

touche'

[CheapJeep]

Lookin' really good Scott. :gigem:

[redcagepatrol]

so the 78 Ford one?, the 68 vette one?, or the late model dodge one?

What's my best bet for bolting to a YJ tub and working good?


Back to this - which one is best?

[tigweld]

manual or power

[redcagepatrol]

vacuum boosted brakes

[agjohn02]

im sure they will all work. the only thing you can do is to compare your caliper piston diameters with what the oem applications of those masters were. i know the new chevy calipers are dual piston, are dodge also? if so, then the master will be bigger and not give you as much pressure on a single piston.

[tigweld]

vacuum boosted brakes

with assist it's not nearly as important to match piston sized correctly as with manual u will probably notice little difference in any of those different apps. I'd probably run the one with the smallest bore to get max pressure possible with big tires you wouldn't notice if it is a little touchy. btw I have always found a good feeling brake pedal is more in the leverage delivered by pedal design than matching caliper piston to mc bore. I always seem to notice more difference in changing the pedal ratio.

[eight]

Yea only bad thing is if they're matched too badly the pedal goes to the floor and you don't stop. I had that with the stock cj master cylinder, chevy d44hd, and single drum 60. Corvette master has a bigger bore and fixed it.

[fbronco86]

I had this problem on my bronco. I dont think my master was big enough for my dual piston brakes up front.

The best way would be to match the volume/displacement needed for your brakes and then set the pedal ratio to have the best brakes.

If it was me I would find the biggest bore master and just put in a good seat so you can push hard on the brakes.

[Graystroke]

FYI: My chevy 3/4 w/ 8600lb GVWR is 1 1/8" bore. Don't know if this is bigger than corvette or not?

[agjohn02]

with assist it's not nearly as important to match piston sized correctly as with manual u will probably notice little difference in any of those different apps. I'd probably run the one with the smallest bore to get max pressure possible with big tires you wouldn't notice if it is a little touchy. btw I have always found a good feeling brake pedal is more in the leverage delivered by pedal design than matching caliper piston to mc bore. I always seem to notice more difference in changing the pedal ratio.


while this is true. also, keep in mind that piston size not only affects pressure but also travel. it may work fine with copious amounts of pressure but require a significant stroke. since he's looking for one that will bolt in, he's not gonna want to proportion the mechanical advanvanage of the pedal to alleviate this. being touchy probably wont be a problem, but brake modulation is handy on the trail.

can you tell ive been studying for the GRE?

[agjohn02]

the E350 seems pretty popular

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=172929&stc=1&d=1108488885

[BMFScout]

red x

[JeepPhisherman]

can you tell ive been studying for the GRE?

no?

[agjohn02]

^ useless post, ban him moderators.


here you go jimmy.

[jerryg79]

thats a creative spelling for mercury grand marquis

[agjohn02]

how far is it gonna be from the floor to the bottom of the frame?

[redcagepatrol]

how far is it gonna be from the floor to the bottom of the frame?
same as stock ~ 5"?

[agjohn02]

low rider?

i mean the floor of the garage. or the dirt of the trail, or the asphalt of the mall parking lot. :flipoff2:

[redcagepatrol]

don't know - 20"? 24"? Somewhere in the there...

I predict that after settling it will be around 21"

[redcagepatrol]

Took yesterday off...
pulled the tranny back out and put the AL bellhousing and clutch on. I clocked the case up some and put it all back together.

Decided the case was too high and I reclocked the case back down between the new and the previous rotations.

It looks like I might have to run a body lift so that I can get the engine high enough for the tranny to not hand down 2" below the frame and still keep a 5 degree slope. I was shooting for a flat skid but there is no way unless I cut a hole in the hood or put a big body lift on.

I hate the look of body lifts - I am still considering loosing the clearence for the lack of having a body lift...

I attached a pic of the cutting so far

[Chadnutz]

5 degree slope of the drivetrain?

[redcagepatrol]

yes - for the rear driveshaft angle

[Graystroke]

Looks like you missed the lines! :flipoff2: ...just a little constructive criticism!
Looks Good........





otherwise! :flipoff2:

[agjohn02]

is the 5 degrees to try to stay equal and opposite with the pinion or just to relieve some of the angle on the CV?

[davido]

Just keep cutting. :D

[redcagepatrol]

is the 5 degrees to try to stay equal and opposite with the pinion or just to relieve some of the angle on the CV?
to just relieve some of the angle on the CV - I would hate to burn up one of those expensive driveshafts...

I would keep cutting on the tub but that dang engine is very tall and needs to go thru the hood to get it high enough for the tranny to clear the frame... :confused:

[BMFScout]

use a camaro or vette intake? I've also heard you can run the truck one backwards if that helps.

[Fredo]

If you run the ls1 intake, you have to modify the water pump to relocate the water neck on it so the throttle body will clear or change the water pump completely with that of a vette or fbody, and then I think you may have to change the entire accessory drive....not 100% sure. How close to fitting is it? like a 1/4 of an inch or is it sticking 3 inches above the cowl?

[davido]

Move the rearend back?

[redcagepatrol]

screw it - I'm gona put the 1" body lift on - it will help in other areas too. It will help with gas tank room, tire clearence - and I'm sure something else...

[Fredo]

1" really isn't that bad.

[Graystroke]

what about just weldng a 1" lift? steel pucks or something. I'm sure you thought of that.

[eight]

hood scoop? I've seen them used for clearance before.

[redcagepatrol]

pics from the break - got some stuff done
I put the body lift on... Skidplate / tranny mounts almost done
motor in place - still have to weld in mounts

[redcagepatrol]

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[CheapJeep]

Lookin' good. :gigem:

[savvyaggie]

it's looks pretty similiar to codys buildup(defiitely a good place to start, his Jeep wheels good), are you going to try and and make it full body? . I like how the skid plate mounts, What's the wheelbase going to be?

[davido]

Looking good! Familiar looking, only much cleaner work. :) (Cody, that's a jab at my work, not yours)

I made the mistake of not making the skid before I put the body back on. I could never reach the back nuts to get them welded in place. Such a PITA now compared to what it could be. Almost everything else had welded nuts which makes everything so easy to take apart and put back together.... but not the skid. :( Someday when I finish my floor I'll probably cut out enough of the rotten floor to weld those damn things on.

Did you buy that clutch mount or make it? What kind of slave?

[redcagepatrol]

full body - of course. It's a trail Jeep.

I bought the slave bracket and the slave itself from Novak.

Similiar to Cody's but better :flipoff2:

[redcagepatrol]

OK,
it's almost time to order expensive steering stuff.
it will be full hydro and driven on the road.

Question 1: Should I go single ended or double ended ram? Single is much easier to set up in my eyes and seems much simpler - and smaller. Less moving parts to wear out too. I don't notice the speed or power difference on mine.

Question 2: TRE's or heims - leaning towards TRE's since we will be driving this on the road

Question 3: Where from? PSC?

Question 4: what arms should I get?

[Jackasic]

word to the wise, don't use those motor monts. they do nothing to locate the motor or deal with the side to side torque. We replaced the in the Scotti turd because they kept ripping free or they would let the motor slide left/right.

[redcagepatrol]

word to the wise, don't use those motor monts. they do nothing to locate the motor or deal with the side to side torque. We replaced the in the Scotti turd because they kept ripping free or they would let the motor slide left/right.
Hmmm - I can see that happening pretty easily. Which Scotti turd? The old runner or the new one?

[agjohn02]

old runner. i have heard nothing good about those mounts.

[TxCruzr]

I have the same ones and no matter how much you tighten them down, they still move some. They're gonna go when I swap the drive train later down the road.

[eight]

I'd go with the double ended cylinder on the full hydro. I think the having different amounts of turns lock to lock in each direction would make it drive funny. You can use the double ended one just like a single ended one, don't have to use both ends.

[redcagepatrol]

I'd go with the double ended cylinder on the full hydro. I think the having different amounts of turns lock to lock in each direction would make it drive funny. You can use the double ended one just like a single ended one, don't have to use both ends.
:confused: OK...
I can't tell the difference with my single ended ram unless I really think about it.

[redcagepatrol]

pics from the weekend.
- the CJ dash didn't line up with the YJ tub, I had to weld and re-drill the holes.
- I made the fuel cell skid plate
- I changed the engine mounts
- I put the headers on

[redcagepatrol]

a few more

[redcagepatrol]

I also grafted on the CJ tailgate...

Here are some pics of the skids from below

[BMFScout]

Scott Schubring you're my hero! Looks good.

[savvyaggie]

Yeap!!! Its coming along quick, I cant wait to see it finished!!!!

[davido]

Looking awesome! I meant to, but never got around to moving my tank back there. I'm curious to see how the spacing differs on yours.

[redcagepatrol]

Looking awesome! I meant to, but never got around to moving my tank back there. I'm curious to see how the spacing differs on yours.
I had to cut the back of the tub out so that I could push the tank as far back as possible. It's going to be close for the top of the axle housing to the skid plate on full compression. I think it'll sneak by ;)

[JeepPhisherman]

Looking good. Why the CJ dash and not just a flat panel?

[savvyaggie]

Looking good. Why the CJ dash and not just a flat panel?


cuz its the details that matter...

[redcagepatrol]

cuz I wanted the speaker holes and the glove box - and I it's easier for me to order something on the internet than to go to a machine shop and get some metal broken... Time is money

[mudtoy67]

I like what you did with the engine mounts. I never thought of modifying them, just thought I would scrap mine and start from scratch.

[redcagepatrol]

I like what you did with the engine mounts. I never thought of modifying them, just thought I would scrap mine and start from scratch.
I only kept the stuff that bolted to the block. I welded a piece of flat plate to the frame, some tubing to the engine mount (with bushings), and then some plates from the engine down to the frame

[redcagepatrol]

Got my custom BTF comp corners welded in along with the rocker panels that I made - all welded in.

I got some BTF tube fenders for a CJ but the bend is 90 degrees and I HATE that - I sent back the tubes so they can swap them out for some YJ or TJ ones. I will just have to cut the top plate to fit.

I figured out and purchased all the stuff for the fuel and brake plumbing. I will be doing that soon.

Steering column mounted - I had to relocate the mounting bracket because my gauges hit them

As soon as I get the speakers mounted, the dash will be just about done. I will need a headlight switch and a check engine light...

Cody brought me my radiatior with the fan shrowd on it that he welded to it. This might need some modifications, it's pretty tight to the engine, we shall see after I get the grill mounted better.

I'll try to get some pics up soon

[redcagepatrol]

pics

[redcagepatrol]

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[Sharpe]

Looks like you have the same CB I do. I dig the fan shroud.

[CheapJeep]

Lookin' pimp Scott! I really like those BTF corners, the dash/gauges look killer.

[AggieTJ2007]

I thought you were going for light weight? how much do those corner's weigh

[agjohn02]

looks good. those springs flattened out a lot with that weight didnt they?

[redcagepatrol]

looks good. those springs flattened out a lot with that weight didnt they?
not going for light weight on this one - those corners only weigh 22#'s each though.
I took two leaves out of the springs, I think that I will put at least one back in - I am also going to make longer shackles

[davido]

I am also going to make longer shackles

Of course you are. :flipoff2:



Looking good though!

[redcagepatrol]

I cut 7/8" off the fan shrowd, still too close for me, so I cut another 1/4" off last night and bent out the ends in a "Scott made break" Came out pretty good.

I was then able to tack in the grill and line it all up.

All of my 6AN fuel stuff came in, it's going to work out great! I even have the cool fittings to connect to the engine (3/8" tube to 6AN and 5/16" tube to 6AN :gigem:

[Graystroke]

looks good man!
those corners are cool...what a woman driver needs! :flipoff2:

I forget...was this thing originally a YJ?
so is that a YJ tub w/ CJ front?
looks really good for a jeep!

[KrazyKarl02]

Looks good! No radio/cd player?

[BMFScout]

Scott, Clean up a bit before you take the next pics. The SAW blade goes on that spot on the wall, not the grinding wheel!! sheesh! :flipoff2:

Looks Badass, I like the shroud. :gigem:

[CheapJeep]

Again, looks extremely badass. I really dig the fan shroud, that dash is killer, exactly what I plan on doing down the road.

[redcagepatrol]

Looks good! No radio/cd player?
Ipod.

I am going to use boat speakers (wakeboard) mounted to the cage powered by an amp

[redcagepatrol]

Again, looks extremely badass. I really dig the fan shroud, that dash is killer, exactly what I plan on doing down the road.
Why not just do it once - the right way, the way you like it, the first time? :flipoff2:

[CheapJeep]

Well I pulled the dash all apart awhile back then never got around to making a new one with all the gauges, c.b., c.d. player, etc. I'm putting it off until after I get the new drivetrain swapped in so I don't have to go back and change things. I guess that makes sense?

[redcagepatrol]

Well I pulled the dash all apart awhile back then never got around to making a new one with all the gauges, c.b., c.d. player, etc. I'm putting it off until after I get the new drivetrain swapped in so I don't have to go back and change things. I guess that makes sense?
just giving you a hardtime for building the Jeep more than once - swapping the drivetrain etc...

[CheapJeep]

Yea I figured... :D Problem is I started paying too much attention to rigs like your's, Cody's, Greg Higg's old Jeep, etc and decided to build mine like that.

[sasquatch]

i like the dash. simple, clean, effective

[J Cooper]

the pink renegade is awesome!! leave that on there.


















im speaking for lynda of course.

[redcagepatrol]

rear brake lines done, built a cover for the fuel lines. Found connections to the GM fuel lines at the engine. I also put a leaf back in the rear springs.

Edit, out of town last night and tonight, so I have some time to do my tax's and catch up on stuff like this in the hotel room...

[robertf03]

Why not just do it once - the right way, the way you like it, the first time? :flipoff2:


did you run flex line from the tank to the engine? :flipoff2:

[redcagepatrol]

yep - I didn't like all of the extra connections involved with doing flex from the tank to the pump / filter, hard to the engine bay, then flex up to the engine. This was a much simplier and cleaner method :D

[agjohn02]

how do those fittings work?

[redcagepatrol]

how do those fittings work?
the ones on the engine are a compression fitting (3/8" and a 5/16 tube) to 6AN. I got them from Summit for like $6 ea.

[agjohn02]

yeah, ive got compression fittings on my LT1. im referrring to the barb end. theres no collar over them?

[redcagepatrol]

nope, no ugly collar - they are the fittings for the non-braided hose. I think they look better too. They are barbed and the hose locks on - it's a tight fit, I bought a heat gun...

[agjohn02]

never seen them before. so they are for high pressure and they just push on? im not referring to worm clamps when i say collars. heat gun, for...?

[sasquatch]

push lock fittings? like DOT air line uses?

[Fredo]

no, not like push locks. The hose has an inner liner that the barb really grips to...they are a ***** to get apart. PSC uses them on their low pressure fittings on their steering stuff. A fuel system sees a lot less pressure than the high side of a steering system, so I'm guessing they are safe for the high side of the engine. Fuel sytem looks good scott. How close is it to firing up?

[agjohn02]

How close is it to firing up?


im gonna guess a ways... oh wait, you bought a stand alone harness and a comp reprogram didnt you? maybe not then.

[redcagepatrol]

im gonna guess a ways... oh wait, you bought a stand alone harness and a comp reprogram didnt you? maybe not then.
true - but it won't be till after paint and all wiring. So - at least a month or so...

[redcagepatrol]

what steering arms???
should I get the type of steering arms that don't use the spring?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533659
http://www.partsmike.com/old/springless_60_arm_kit.htm
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/D60-high-steer-kit-for-kingpin-axles_p_19-1246.html

or use a normal style arm that uses the spring?
http://www.wfoconcepts.com/Steering/Dana60/Kingpin.html
http://www.mad4wd.com/tek9.asp
http://www.northwestfab.com/dana60steeringarm.html
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/product.php?productid=159&cat=558&page=1
http://www.rockstomper.com/catalog/steering/highsteer.htm

Please keep in mind that I have to put my steering behind the axle and need the 5th hole in front (for my Debenbar knuckles). I plan on running a single ended ram with TRE's on the tie-rod.

[Sharpe]

I like the WFO arms the best, its what I plan on using when I get new arms and move the tierod behind the axle. I dont really like the idea of the no-spring arms, just doesnt seem right to me.

[redcagepatrol]

all of the plumbing is done except for the stuff that will be near the steering, tube fenders here - some custom fab is needed, tires and wheels here. Pick up cage tube tomorrow...

[BMFScout]

That's body filler over the welds right? Just wanted to make sure it wasn't RTV, because then I would laugh at you for a long time. :)

Looks good!

[redcagepatrol]

That's body filler over the welds right? Just wanted to make sure it wasn't RTV, because then I would laugh at you for a long time. :)

Looks good!
yes - Lynda is in charge of the Bondo work over the welds :D

[sasquatch]

nice work on the brake lines

[Doug Krebs]

have you tried bleeding that clutch yet? I'd still think about getting a flexible line for it. If you can't find a place down there I could get bryan hose and gasket to make one.

[Sharpe]

Linelock for burnouts? :gigem:

[redcagepatrol]

those tires are too expensive for burnouts - but mabey once in a while will be OK :gigem:

I'll consider fixing that line some time later...

I have a new problem, the YJ tub fenders don't even come close the the CJ grill. It's like 2" too far foward and 2" shy of the left right plane.

My options are:
1) cut the tube 2" shorter and graft that 2" in the short bend side so it reaches the grill - this would cause some modification to the top plate
2) bend the part bolted to the tub so the whole fender is "dovetailed" towards the grill - if I do this, it looks funny near the tub because it's under the hood instead of even with it.
3) borrow a 1.25" die from someone and bend the tube some more.

What do ya'll think? - it was hard to take pics while holding it in place

[Doug Krebs]

I have an 1.25" die, but it's for a protools bender...

[davido]

option 2 doesn't sound bad, but it's hard to say without seeing it. that sucks though. can you just get cj ones instead?

[redcagepatrol]

I did - they have a 90 degree bend in it - ugly as sin, I sent them back... I will make these work somehow.

I cut 1.5" off and bent them in - it's close to working. It looks like I will have to lengthen the piece of steel bolted to the grill by about 1/2" - or redrill / slot the holes

[davido]

A lot of nice work on there.

Does your front brake line run under the front of the axle? If so, why mount it there instead of off of the spring plate on top?

That clutch hardline will probably not last long. From my experience, it will break at the worst possible time also. You should be able to use an off the shelf line to resolve that. A brake line with adapters would work.

[Graystroke]

where's linda in all these pics? just b/c she's prego doesn't mean she can't hold the light!

[TxCruzr]

He can swap the springs and do whatever without messing with the brake lines
Looks good Scott :gigem:

[redcagepatrol]

A lot of nice work on there.

Does your front brake line run under the front of the axle? If so, why mount it there instead of off of the spring plate on top?

That clutch hardline will probably not last long. From my experience, it will break at the worst possible time also. You should be able to use an off the shelf line to resolve that. A brake line with adapters would work.
You can't buy them at the parts stores - dealer item. I might try a brake line with some adapters or have something made.

The brake line works out better there, I think it will be fine - it's tje same way on the patrol. I was going to run it thru the perch but after I welded the tab on the axle, I realized that mu u-bolts were in the way :rolleyes:

[Cajun]

Very cool idea on the brake line. I may steal it!

[agjohn02]

so, why the front line lock and no cutting brakes?



edit: or, let me rephrase, is that front line lock installed backwards?

[redcagepatrol]

cutting brakes don't work - the one tire ALWAYS slides unless it has a rock or ledge to stop it. I have the parking brake on the Stak - it will be used for tight corners..

[agjohn02]

so, why the front line lock?

where'd you get the fuel pump and do you have a P/N? is it a stocked item or an order only item? what size are the fittings on it?

[agjohn02]

what MC did you end up going with?

[redcagepatrol]

you can't copy me :flipoff2:
I got the fuel pump from Fuel Injection Specialities in SA when I ordered the wire harness and computor programming. It has 1/8" pipe connections - FIS provided adapters to 6AN.

I went with the big for car MC - had to trim the wire near the booster to make it fit.

Front line lock is for burnouts!!! or helping the Jeep stay put on downhills.

[agjohn02]

dont try to be sneaky, i know what big ford car you're talking about. i can't waste all my time with research. :flipoff2:

hook that pump up to power and tell me how loud it is, would ya?

[davido]

True Joseph. That would be a pain. I also just realized it's on the back, not the front. Those wheels are hella sexy. Watch out Lee N., there's a new pink lover on the trail.

[eight]

The renegade sticker really isn't pink.

[Lynda]

The renegade sticker is going to get painted over the same color as the body, white. In answer to your question Grayson, I havn't had as much involvment in building up the Jeep as I originally wanted too. The Jeep work has been expedited due to the baby so Scott has been staying up till midnight working on it while I've been going to bed a few hours after I get home from work (because you get super fatigued during your pregnancy). I've also been traveling a lot for work. Then on the weekends I've taken up my own projects in the house like re-doing both bathrooms and the baby room, shopping for baby furniture, our own bedroom furniture, and of course the day to day errands. But just for you, perhaps we'll get a picture of me sanding the bondo this weekend :)

[BMFScout]

But just for you, perhaps we'll get a picture of me sanding the bondo this weekend :)

make sure you're barefoot when you do it. :gigem:

[bburris]

I don't know why, but all I can think of is that Verizon commercial that's been out for a few months:
"You don't give another man's girl a foot massage, and you definitely don't put her in your five!"

[Lynda]

"...Secret Looooovers. That's what we are...." ha-ha, I love that commercial!

[bburris]

You know, if you need a pink Renegade sticker, you might know a couple of people that could make that happen.

[Fredo]

I'm already checking on the cowl decals. Let me know if you want any other decals.

[Fredo]

Oh, let's do it up like a golden eagle with the giant hood bird, but in shades of pink!

[BMFScout]

I was just making a reference that women should be barefoot and pregnant. What's the point in being pregnant and wearing shoes...that's dumb! :)

"Pinken Eagle" What do you call it Scott? Rasberry or some such gayness?

[bburris]

The fact that Scott knows another color for pink is enough to know he's experienced a woman's influence for too long. :D

[agjohn02]

the "Raspberry Raven"!!!1111!!!!

[Lynda]

I already thought of the Golden Eagle in shades of pink idea, but then we decided that probably wouldn't work well since we are painting the Jeep with Zolatone. I definitely don't like Renegade or Wrangler stickers on the side of my trucks. I think just a few rasberry accents on the white will look really good (roll cage, JEEP cowl decal, bead locks, and maybe steering...I don't think I like the colored pumpkin trend anymore, but we'll see).

[CRaSHnBuRN]

how do you'll plan to paint the zolatone? I hear normal sprayers won't give you the textured look. I really like the black mixed with white colors (onyx or hamlet), and would love to paint the 4runner with it as long as it was somewhat textured and didn't just come out gray

[Fredo]

It's not the spraygun type that affects the texture as much as the needle and orifice size on the nozzle of the gun.

[Lynda]

Scott painted his Patrol with zolatone in the front yard of his place in colllege. He just used a spray nozzel thingy...whatever you normally do...he'll have to answer exactly what, but it did come out textured.

[Fredo]

Yeah, it's not a big deal....you just make sure the nozzle is big enough, crank up the pressure, and make sure you spray it evenly and not thick and you're fine.

[redcagepatrol]

you use a bedliner gun with like a 1/4" nozzle. You adjust the pressure for the texture.

Raspberry Raven - jeeez :flipoff2:

[Fredo]

You can use a normal HVLP gun as long as you have a nozzle around 2mm. But, to be honest, I wouldn't want to subject a good hvlp gun to that, and most don't come with a 2mm nozzle.

[redcagepatrol]

I had to bend the 1.25" tube a little more on the tube fenders to get them to match the top plate... It pisses me off to pay for parts that are supposed to make my life easier - only to have to fix them when they come in :mad:

So - after trimming about 1.25" off the YJ tube fenders, tweaking the whole fender towards the grill, and re-bending a bend that should've been right, I finished the tube fenders.

EDIT - you might notice in the last pic that the hood sticks out further than the fender at the body because I bent the whole fender in so it would reach the grill...

Didn't get too much else done because I wasn't feeling well on Friday and Sunday

[agjohn02]

It pisses me off to pay for parts that are supposed to make my life easier - only to have to fix them when they come in :mad:


your putting YJ fenders on a CJ. its not supposed to be easy. :flipoff2:

[redcagepatrol]

your putting YJ fenders on a CJ. its not supposed to be easy. :flipoff2:
BUt - the YJ tube should've been bent to the same radius of the YJ plate... I didn't want to pull out my bender for that :flipoff2:

[fbronco86]

How many lbs of welding wire have you gone threw yet?

[davido]

Lookin' slick. I passed by you guys on 290 twice in the last couple of days. 6AM on Sunday on my way out and 2AM this morning on my way back. I was hoping to stop and see it, but timeframe didn't work out.

[redcagepatrol]

got my steering stuff in, working on my traction bar

started a thread on Pirate...
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6590665&posted=1#post6590665

[CheapJeep]

Looks like Christmas in your shop. :gigem:

[redcagepatrol]

steering is on, traction bar is done. Need to mount the steering valve - not exactly sure of the best way yet...

[redcagepatrol]

now - how should I mount to this orbital valve?

one more of the traction bar - the upper mount

[Sharpe]

What kind of joint is that on the antiwrap bar? How did you make the really long notch to connect the tubes at the front end of the bar?

[redcagepatrol]

What kind of joint is that on the antiwrap bar? How did you make the really long notch to connect the tubes at the front end of the bar?
The joint at the skidplate is a Johnny Joint. The first time I made the notch, I did it with a plasma cutter - I overcut and started over. The second time, I used a sawzaw and it worked good - I just didn't figure in the arch of the tube and had a bigger weld then I wanted to - still not that bad though...

[agjohn02]

the tab under your front leaf perch makes me go, "hmmm?"

[Reckless]

Tie Down?

[AggieTJ2007]

brake line tab
http://tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9967&stc=1

[redcagepatrol]

Tie Down?
yep - all 4 corners, outside only.

[73bronco]

thats going to be a PITA to fill your diff with the track bar there

[redcagepatrol]

thats going to be a PITA to fill your diff with the track bar there
I have a hose...

[JeepPhisherman]

What kind of joint is that on the antiwrap bar? How did you make the really long notch to connect the tubes at the front end of the bar?

Use this and a printer with some 11x17 paper?
http://metalgeek.com/cgi-system/php5.cgi/static/cope.pcgi

[AggieTJ2007]

that should work pretty good

[agjohn02]

Use this and a printer with some 11x17 paper?
http://metalgeek.com/cgi-system/php5.cgi/static/cope.pcgi


thats pretty dang cool, but i doubt it would be easier than eyeballing and using a notcher. probably would be best if used for angles greater than a notcher can handle... like scott's traction bar.

[agjohn02]

yep - all 4 corners, outside only.


are you running the other end to the side of the trailer? looks like the tie down would hit the tire.

[redcagepatrol]

I plan on adding some tie-downs on the trailer.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Use this and a printer with some 11x17 paper?
http://metalgeek.com/cgi-system/php5.cgi/static/cope.pcgi


This one wouldn't work for me, but this one did.

http://metalgeek.com/static/cope.pcgi

[JeepPhisherman]

This one wouldn't work for me, but this one did.

http://metalgeek.com/static/cope.pcgi

It still works for me, and seems like everyone else. Must be that danged ole iraqwi intarweb.

Anyway, I like the patterns, I used them on my sliders, even though all but 2 of the bends were 90's. It helped to have a pattern since I was doing it all with a grinder.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

I will be keeping this for help when building cattle pens, but I usually just make a little hinged one like you can buy at TSC for that since 99.9% of those are 90 deg. also.

[agjohn02]

I will be keeping this for help when building cattle pens, but I usually just make a little hinged one like you can buy at TSC for that since 99.9% of those are 90 deg. also.


yes, those are the best things you can buy when building pipe fence. i started out with the paper wrap-around and trace kind, then got the steel clamp ons. eventually, you dont need even the clamp on anymore. you get the hang of it and just fill the gaps with rod. if you cut it slightly off, the pipe sticks between the posts better anyways and you dont have to hold it up.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

You do know that rods cost money, and once you get the hang of it they should be a tight fit almost every time. :flipoff2: I have put enough of them together though to have had to fill in some pretty big holes from not payin attention with the hot wrench.

[agjohn02]

when its 100+ outside and im cutting pipe for a fence. im not too worried about proper fitment. everything hard gets done in the summer around home. i got that from my dad. growing up, anytime i would break something, he say, "i built that (insert broken item here) one july when it was 110 degrees..."



edit: now back to your regularly scheduled jeep building...

[Cajun]

Did you get your orbital mounted? I'd try to mount it on the firewall if you can. I didn't have room on mine and wound up mounting it above the frame using a simple flat plate that bolted between the valve and the flanged column.

[Reckless]

The closer to the frame, the less hose you have to use and it keeps the hose out of the exhaust manifold.

[agjohn02]

you should mount it right behind the dash and run the hose through the firewall...

[redcagepatrol]

Did you get your orbital mounted? I'd try to mount it on the firewall if you can. I didn't have room on mine and wound up mounting it above the frame using a simple flat plate that bolted between the valve and the flanged column.
not yet, looks like I will be pretty busy all week with a class for work. I will probably mount it on the frame like I did for the Patrol.

You said that you used a flat plate between the valve and the column? On mine, the column shaft doesn't look like it would have near enough spline engagement into the valve to add some plate between the two. I think that there is only like .5" of spline. If I put .25" plate in there, there would only be .25" left of engagement.

[Cajun]

Mine came with a mounting plate laser cut to fit between the valve and column. If you're concerned with spline engagement, maybe 1/8" plate and some gussets would work.

[agjohn02]

those tabs are just there to stiffen up the plate on the column extension. cut them off and put your mount outside. if you are concerned enough to put stiffeners on your mount plate then do that.

[redcagepatrol]

those tabs are just there to stiffen up the plate on the column extension. cut them off and put your mount outside. if you are concerned enough to put stiffeners on your mount plate then do that.
That's what I plan on doing, it should be fine.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

you should mount it right behind the dash and run the hose through the firewall...

....but put it on the passanger side, that would be -pimp-

[agjohn02]

how much caster are you running?

[redcagepatrol]

I believe I set it at 4 or 5 degrees.

Orbital mounted, front shock hoops done, battery mount done, the front hard brake line is done. Still to do:
Mount PS fuild reservoir
mount rear shcoks
re-route driver side grill support bar
make the tailgate stops
cage - mount seatbelts, seats, etc...
cover hole in floor
bodywork
paint
wire up
details

I'll try to get some pics up this week

[AggieTJ2007]

Why is everybody getting so much work done and I am not, I htink I need to get to work.

Oh btw, sounds good scott

[redcagepatrol]

pics from the stuff I did last weekend - and the stuff this weekend. My tailgate latch and cable mounts came out pretty good.

[redcagepatrol]

Still to do:
Mount air tank
mount rear seat (still need to find one I like)
mount air filter / pressure switch near air compressor
cage - mount seatbelts, seats, etc...
cover hole in floor
bodywork
paint
wire up
details

[AggieTJ2007]

This should be ready for katemcy then

[redcagepatrol]

I wish - with at least a week for powder coating (after I build the cage), and at least a week for paint, then a week for wires, I don't see it.

I would rather finish it completly than rush to the finish and NEVER get it done right because "hell, it already runs and work great"...

[AggieTJ2007]

yeah good Idea

[agjohn02]

I wish - with at least a week for powder coating (after I build the cage), and at least a week for paint, then a week for wires, I don't see it.

I would rather finish it completly than rush to the finish and NEVER get it done right because "hell, it already runs and work great"...


aww c'mon, you said you'd have this thing running two weeks ago. no seriously, go back and look. :flipoff2:

i like your shock hoops. i may copy you with a clear conscience b/c i know you copied someone else. :D

[JeepPhisherman]

aww c'mon, you said you'd have this thing running two weeks ago. no seriously, go back and look. :flipoff2:

i like your shock hoops. i may copy you with a clear conscience b/c i know you copied someone else. :D

What's so special about the shock hoops? They look like every set available on the aftermarket today.


Looks good Scott, too bad you won't be ready for TCC. Any plans for the maiden voyage trip, or have I missed that somewhere?

[agjohn02]

What's so special about the shock hoops? They look like every set available on the aftermarket today.


my point exactly

[agjohn02]

is that a stock YJ steering u-joint? or did you have to go to a different one?

[Lynda]

What's so special about the shock hoops? They look like every set available on the aftermarket today.


Looks good Scott, too bad you won't be ready for TCC. Any plans for the maiden voyage trip, or have I missed that somewhere?


Just to claify...his truck is ready for TCC. It's my truck that won't be. :p Either way neither of us will be able to make it to TCC this year for other reasons. :(

There is no maiden trip this year. With the Jeep taking longer than we hoped for and me getting into my third trimester, there is no way we can do a long distance road trip. I seriously have to pee every 15 minutes. I can't get anything done at work becuase I'm constantly warming up the toilet seats for everyone at the office. It's a full time job when your pregnant :D

[BMFScout]

Flem it out, it's over! ;)

[TxCruzr]

pee in a cup...why do you think they invented the 1 liter and in some cases the 2 liter coke bottle :gigem:
That is going to be one hell of a jeep. It'll be worth the wait :cool:

[agjohn02]

are you going to use the stock pump for your OBA? the newer pumps are variable displacement, im not sure which year they started though, and im not sure if they will work as a compressor. anyone know what pressure the high side of an A/C system works at?

[Sharpe]

are you going to use the stock pump for your OBA? the newer pumps are variable displacement, im not sure which year they started though, and im not sure if they will work as a compressor. anyone know what pressure the high side of an A/C system works at?
~300 psi.

[Reckless]

are you going to use the stock pump for your OBA? the newer pumps are variable displacement, im not sure which year they started though, and im not sure if they will work as a compressor. anyone know what pressure the high side of an A/C system works at?


Not variable displacement, just different piston configuration

[redcagepatrol]

OK - I'm a little late on replies...
AC pump - stock. Hope it works...
My hoops are different, they are tilted back and in some for looks :flipoff2:
Yes, stock YJ steering U-joint. Actually it's from an XJ but they are probably the same
there will be a maiden voyage, she just doesn't know it yet
John - done with the 1.75" dies yet? i can pick them up this weekend...

[agjohn02]

OK - I'm a little late on replies...
AC pump - stock. Hope it works...

John - done with the 1.75" dies yet? i can pick them up this weekend...


same here (crosses fingers)


not completely, but yes. you must bring your 1.5" in exchange though. i need a hostage... and to use them.

[agjohn02]

Not variable displacement, just different piston configuration


wrong again.

looks like we are safe though scott. i dont think they started putting the vd compressors on until well after the elec. throttle body. maybe as late as 06-07. the new compressors might work fine but i know they will not work with an a/c system not designed for them.

[redcagepatrol]

wrong again.

looks like we are safe though scott. i dont think they started putting the vd compressors on until well after the elec. throttle body. maybe as late as 06-07. the new compressors might work fine but i know they will not work with an a/c system not designed for them.
if it doesn't work, I'll graft the York on that I have in the garage

[sasquatch]

i don't think the gm pancake style compressors have a oil reservoir like the york. they get lubed from the oil/refrigerant mix that circulates. if you put an inline oiler on the intake side of the compressor, it should be fine; but then you'll have oil in your lines and tank. maybe a oil/water separator on the hi side with the drain plumbed into the oiler on the intake side? sounds like a cluster**** to me though. I'd research the gm style to see if anyone else has done it. if not, go with the york. oil leaks out of the york on compression also, but it doesn't need an oiler on the intake.

[mudtoy67]

i don't think the gm pancake style compressors have a oil reservoir like the york. they get lubed from the oil/refrigerant mix that circulates. if you put an inline oiler on the intake side of the compressor, it should be fine; but then you'll have oil in your lines and tank. maybe a oil/water separator on the hi side with the drain plumbed into the oiler on the intake side? sounds like a cluster**** to me though. I'd research the gm style to see if anyone else has done it. if not, go with the york.

He had that on the old Silver Bullet Yota....might have even made its way to the Patrol. Just an inline oiler on the intake side and a drain on the tank from what I remember.

[Reckless]

I saw this in Diesel Power. Its the sanden setup.

http://www.extremeoutback.com/index.cgi?cart_id=2879943.2904&pid=34

[Reckless]

wrong again.

looks like we are safe though scott. i dont think they started putting the vd compressors on until well after the elec. throttle body. maybe as late as 06-07. the new compressors might work fine but i know they will not work with an a/c system not designed for them.


I guess i havent seen that style then. I have been accused of being wrong before.

[agjohn02]

I guess i havent seen that style then. I have been accused of being wrong before.


its a pretty pimp design. nothing new though. it varies the swashplate angle with pressure. so no matter how fast or slow you spin it, it delivers the same volume of air. much more efficient than a pump designed to work at idle but operating at 2-3000 rpm.

[Reckless]

Hmm gonna have to ask my A/C instructor on this one. Ill see what i can come up with.

[redcagepatrol]

I have been using a stock Toyota pump for like 4 years now on the Patrol. Had it on my other tuck before this one. I just have an inline oiler on the intake and a filer on the discharge side. This isn't rocket science guys... :flipoff2:

[uglyota]

I am still trying to figure out how you think you're going to get a GM motor to work in a Jeep. I mean isn't the wiring completely different? :confused2

[sasquatch]

I have been using a stock Toyota pump for like 4 years now on the Patrol. Had it on my other tuck before this one. I just have an inline oiler on the intake and a filer on the discharge side. This isn't rocket science guys... :flipoff2:

well, it must not be too bad of a setup. i've heard that gm pancake compressor has 6 pistons. sounds like it'll work good.

side note. i just saw your traction bar. nice job. how thick of tube did you use?

[redcagepatrol]

It's only .120 wall - but it's DOM. She'll have to keep it off the rocks I guess

[sasquatch]

It's only .120 wall - but it's DOM. She'll have to keep it off the rocks I guess

i used .120 wall also, but hrew. haven't hit mine yet. i designed it to protect my driveshaft. its bent already but thats from making it a y shape instead of a v like yours. too many burnouts and launches :D

[Lynda]

It's magic, just stand back and look amazed. :eek: Scott's enlisted his buddy Jay to fancy up the wiring. This way we can blame it on him if it doens't work :p Don't tell Scott, but i've been skeptical of this engine ever since he brought it home with "Hey honey, look what I got" (i.e. look what I got suckered into). But I love my husband and I have complete and total faith in him :(


I am still trying to figure out how you think you're going to get a GM motor to work in a Jeep. I mean isn't the wiring completely different? :confused2

[BMFScout]

Don't tell Scott, but i've been skeptical of this engine ever since he brought it home with "Hey honey, look what I got" (i.e. look what I got suckered into). But I love my husband and I have complete and total faith in him :(


Proving that you don't know what you're talking about ;) The 5.3 is God's way of telling us "You sunsab!tches is alright." To get that much technology for that price, it should be illegal. You won't be doubting the 5.3 when your doing wicked smoky burnouts that George could only dream about. It's going to be wicked pissah!! :gigem:

[uglyota]

yeah but the valve covers look funny

[Lynda]

Proving that you don't know what you're talking about ;) The 5.3 is God's way of telling us "You sunsab!tches is alright." To get that much technology for that price, it should be illegal. You won't be doubting the 5.3 when your doing wicked smoky burnouts that George could only dream about. It's going to be wicked pissah!! :gigem:

Ha-ha, like I said - I have complete and total faith in him that it will be great. My concern was that we've been striving for simplicity (i.e. chevy 350) and then it gets this fancy engine. I'm sure it will be great...if it runs. :p

[BMFScout]

It basically is a Chevy 350, don't let all that fancy wiring fool you.

[redcagepatrol]

Cody came down on Tuesday evening and helped me get the main cage frame bent. I will be able to get the rest myself.

Didn't get home till 9:30 last night, I'm in Ruston LA tonight... :rolleyes: Hopefully I'll have some time to work on it this weekend

[agjohn02]

looks good. is that dash bar 1.5"? how tall is your "B hoop" from the floor? it doesnt look like your hoops are far enough inboard to run hard half doors. i dont know if you even want to run them, but i posted a pic in "project acrophobia" of how far in they have to be in case you want to move them. it'll probably be in the way of your glovebox though.

[redcagepatrol]

hard doors are for pussies... I have 1/8" between the tube and my glove box door.
Dash bar is 1.5" - don't get any ideas...
I think my "B" hoop was like 42 inches from the floor. I'm just going off memory though and I have slept since then ;)

[agjohn02]

my "package" from jeremy should be here tomorrow.

[redcagepatrol]

B pillar height is 47.5 to the bottom of the tube.

I got the Halos and the middle cross bar done. I will get the middle "B" pillar vert. bars done tonight. The rest is just bracing, the major design is done.

[redcagepatrol]

new oil pan, a pic of the cage middle bars.

I have the top of the cage just about done - just haven't taken any pics yet

[agjohn02]

looks great. do you have a spy working for you?

[redcagepatrol]

looks great. do you have a spy working for you?
I don't think anybody has seen yours... Maybe you really don't have the cage done and are just looking at mine for ideas...

I'll post a few more pics of the cage later. Seat mounts are next for me.

[agjohn02]

yeah, i just couldnt come up with anything so i decided to let you have the die and wait till you got done to steal the design.;)

[redcagepatrol]

there are really only a few ways to do a cage - especially if you plan on having a rear seat :gigem:

[redcagepatrol]

corner braces done - seat mounts are the only major thing left. I spent last night in Houma LA though - I'll be able to work on it tonight though.

I might have to change the overhead bars to go straight (with the side) because of how close to my head they are - could put a bend in them too if I need to.

[redcagepatrol]

B pillar height is 47.5 to the bottom of the tube.

I got the Halos and the middle cross bar done. I will get the middle "B" pillar vert. bars done tonight. The rest is just bracing, the major design is done.
When I measured from the floor plate to the bottom of the tube it was 46.5" which is a little low to me. I almost wish that I didn't keep the span between the "A" pillar and the "B" pillar level. It might've been better to have a little slope to it for some increased headroom.

[eight]

I've allways thought the overhead bars at an angle were a bad idea. Besides not looking as cool, what's wrong with just running them straight? I've even seen some that just have one in the center.

[redcagepatrol]

I've allways thought the overhead bars at an angle were a bad idea. Besides not looking as cool, what's wrong with just running them straight? I've even seen some that just have one in the center.
it's definitly stronger to have them going from the corner - but the main thing is that it looks cool

[fbronco86]

it's definitly stronger to have them going from the corner - but the main thing is that it looks cool

I like the way it looks.

[Lynda]

I've allways thought the overhead bars at an angle were a bad idea. Besides not looking as cool, what's wrong with just running them straight? I've even seen some that just have one in the center.


Straight?! How boring, who wants straight? :rolleyes:

[agjohn02]

it's definitly stronger to have them going from the corner - but the main thing is that it looks cool



agreed on both points

[CheapJeep]

Need's more triangulation... :flipoff2:

[Sharpe]

Need's more triangulation... :flipoff2:
Is it not boxy enough for your tastes? :flipoff2:

[agjohn02]

Is it not boxy enough for your tastes? :flipoff2:

Straight A pillars are where it's at!!!

[agjohn02]

i couldnt find the thread scott. it was probably one of those, "critique my cage" threads. here is my interpretation. :flipoff2:

[redcagepatrol]

did you actually spend time drawing that??? :rolleyes:

[agjohn02]

aww c'mon, its a comp cut pink CJ. its funny and you know it. plus, its dead week and i have a final i need to be studying for... what else am i supposed to be doing?

[Lynda]

Well in that case you got it all wrong. It's going to be white with a pink roll cage and accessories. Geez, pay attention will ya!

[redcagepatrol]

seats mounted, grill hoop done.

Cox said that his grill hoop was already done - so I guess I can post these pics :flipoff2:

I changed the overhead spreaders to go straight with the sides. I valued my head over the overall strength of the cage. I think that cracking my head open on the bar seemed more likely than the cage bending.

[savvyaggie]

Looks good!!

[agjohn02]

seats mounted, grill hoop done.

Cox said that his grill hoop was already done - so I guess I can post these pics :flipoff2:



;)

i just told you that so you wont think i copied you when i do. how high did your seats end up?

[BMFScout]

I like that front hoop :pimp:

[davido]

Yes, dig the front hoop. Always liked that look.

[redcagepatrol]

no more bends. Where do you think I need corner braces?