Lynda's "CJ" Buildup Progress

[redcagepatrol]

a few more

[BMFScout]

you're a tool. :flipoff2:

[agjohn02]

i like it, except for the fact that its gonna collapse and you're gonna die. ;) id put braces here and call it good, but only if you really wanted braces. it would take a hard roll to shift that cage front to rear.

[redcagepatrol]

Yep - that was my plan, just on the front side though. I'm also going to add a spreader in the middle of the windshield

[mudtoy67]

Are you going to attach the harnesses to those diagonals behind the seat or add a shoulder bar?

[redcagepatrol]

Are you going to attach the harnesses to those diagonals behind the seat or add a shoulder bar?
We really don't plan on putting the shoulder harness in the Jeep although I will probably put a tab on that diagnal bar in case we change our minds.

[agjohn02]

how tall are you, scott?

http://tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10575&stc=1

[redcagepatrol]

5'-9"

[redcagepatrol]

cage gusset :gigem:

[davido]

Nice. Don't forget to cut licensing in on their "fare share" lest they seize your cage (or maybe just tie it up in litigation for the next decade). :)

[agjohn02]

no, see the A. its different.

[redcagepatrol]

didn't get too much done this weekend - we had a bunch on other stuff going on. Got the cage tied into the frame and some gussets on the "A" pillar along with some random mounting tabs.

Will this radiator overflow work? It seems so small! Is there a certain size I need?

And before you ask, I didn't use bushing when tieing it into the frame because it's a trail Jeep, I don't think we'll be complaining about the vibration on the trail...

[JeepPhisherman]

Looks good, now where are the A&M gussets?

[agjohn02]

is that 1.25" in the windshield?

[tigweld]

looks more like 1.125

[redcagepatrol]

it's 1".00

don't have the gussets back yet

what about that radiator overflow???

[agjohn02]

it's 1".00

don't have the gussets back yet

what about that radiator overflow???


dang it, i knew it. you do have spies!



edit- oh yeah, the overflow... looks a little on the small side and too expensive. generally they should be about a quart. that looks like a pint. it'll work though. ive got a small one on the scout and its has no problems.

[redcagepatrol]

should get the gussets today

[Graystroke]

those are sweet!

[RCcola55]

those are pretty damn sick!!!

[JeepPhisherman]

Those are pretty sweet. Do you have the guy making any extras by any chance?

[Doug Krebs]

Were those water jetted?

[agjohn02]

Laser cut, Muahahahah

http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2005/11/drevil_million_dollars.jpg

[Lynda]

Those are pretty sweet. Do you have the guy making any extras by any chance?

No, he did this at his workplace, probably during work hours. He said he just took his work ethics exam so he's not really supposed to do anymore 'favors' :( This was the only set he made for us. Good thing they fit, they look good on the Jeep!

[BMFScout]

stealing company time is wrong...

[redcagepatrol]

the gussets are tacked in place, center consul mounted, t-case shifters mounted and adjusted, rear view mirror mounted, and a CB antenna mount welded on.
No work tonight - I'm in Natchitoches LA...

[Doug Krebs]

the gussets are tacked in place, center consul mounted, t-case shifters mounted and adjusted, rear view mirror mounted, and a CB antenna mount welded on.
No work tonight - I'm in Natchitoches LA...

My wife loves that town...

[redcagepatrol]

it's nice. Pretty drive from Many to here also. Looks like I have to go back to Jasper tomorrow, broke a 3" 4340 compressor rod about an hour ago.

[Sharpe]

Looks like I have to go back to Jasper tomorrow, broke a 3" 4340 compressor rod about an hour ago.
Sorry to hear that (the Jasper part...) :flipoff3:

[Lynda]

So we are now trying to think of License Plate verbage...the latest...PNKPSY :D

[Doug Krebs]

So we are now trying to think of License Plate verbage...the latest...PNKPSY :D

Oh No! You do realize your having a child soon? :eek:

[BMFScout]

PNKROK
PNK CJ
PNK JP
4 SALE (It's funny b/c you're having a kid)
HERS (sure it's taken)
HER JP
MOMSJP (that's just weird)
4LO HO (Klassy! Tell them "HO" means "High Output")
NOTGAY (for when Scott cruises it)
PRETTY (in pink)
JORGE2
GOINUP

I'll work on some more.

[Reckless]

Hotmom

[Lynda]

Oh No! You do realize your having a child soon? :eek:


***! :D I would never put that on my Jeep, but I thought it was funny.

[davido]

Do you have the guy making any extras by any chance?

You don't understand how Scott rolls do you?



Go ahead and just put this on the plates: JAKES (as in inheritance) :)

[redcagepatrol]

at Jasper tonight, dealing with a broken 3" compressor rod and the crosshead sitting on the engine room floor...
Cool carnage pics :eek:

[Reckless]

Damn!!!

[colman]

just jb weld it. that **** will buff out

[Graystroke]

so it looks to be built kinda like a steam locomotive...how is that thing oiled on the carriage slide thingy? drip? or is it splashed up from the crank case or maybe even pressure fed? so the piston is connected the slider which is in turn connected the rod and down to the crank. Is this design to control side loads or to help produce more low end torque (w/ the huge length of the connecting rod)....looks like fun...better than a desk job

[redcagepatrol]

so it looks to be built kinda like a steam locomotive...how is that thing oiled on the carriage slide thingy? drip? or is it splashed up from the crank case or maybe even pressure fed? so the piston is connected the slider which is in turn connected the rod and down to the crank. Is this design to control side loads or to help produce more low end torque (w/ the huge length of the connecting rod)....looks like fun...better than a desk job
force feed lubrication - that's what those 1/4" lines are for
the cross head just guides the compressor rod and piston - and transmits the force from the connecting rod to the compressor piston. The power pistons are on the same crank - they just run verticle...

[agjohn02]

4lo Mom

4wd Mom

[agjohn02]

Milf
Milfjp

[Lynda]

I don't like the mom stuff...makes me feel old. If I was 5'6", blonde, and hardbodied...then I might consider Milf.

[agjohn02]

rck grl

[redcagepatrol]

I was busy with parents and such this weekend so I didn't get much done. Here are a few more pics or random stuff. Got the air reg mounted, the overflow mounted, and upper rear shock mounts done. I also have mounted teh center consol and figured out the t-case shifters.

[redcagepatrol]

a new overall pic

[agjohn02]

just curious to compare heights. whats the distance here? from top of spring plate to bottom of frame? straight up.

[redcagepatrol]

I'll be out of town tonight - in Jasper again. I'll let you know tomorrow night

[redcagepatrol]

just curious to compare heights. whats the distance here? from top of spring plate to bottom of frame? straight up.
9" from the center of the plate, 8.5 from the center of the axle (1" foward)

[agjohn02]

Thanks. I may have to shorten my shackles.

So you gonna leave the floor a la Davido?

I may be coming down this week. What's your schedule like?

[redcagepatrol]

I'll be doing something with the hole in the floor - not sure exactly what yet. I will be in Houston the rest of the week.

[davido]

So you gonna leave the floor a la Davido?


C'mon. Really. You're talking about Scott.

[agjohn02]

C'mon. Really. You're talking about Scott.


He may know how well it works for checking your fluid levels when you roll and want to leave it that way. I'm just sayin' is all...

[agjohn02]

What's the story on that back seat?

[redcagepatrol]

What's the story on that back seat?
what do you mean - that's the baby seat. We'll be strappin the car carrier to that thing...

[agjohn02]

Just wondering why you got the single instead of a regular one. Also, everyone knows you put the baby seat on the passenger side so the driver (mom) can keep an eye on the baby.

[Lynda]

You never put the baby seat in the front seat! We also don't want a full seat in the back becuase we have two dogs we have to fit back there as well, along with an ice chest.

[Lynda]

Okay, I'm getting the "Keep Texas Wild" license plate with the Horny Toad. Specialty plates can only have 5 characters so I looked the availability for the following two choices:

Go N Up - Taken
CRWLR - Available

So basically, can anyone think of anything better than CRWLR? Otherwise, I think this may be my top pick.

Oh yeah, and I'm thinking Ernesto might my fav name for the new Jeep.

[BMFScout]

Is Scott installing airbags? If not I bet he'll be fine. Thought of a cool license plate, but it's probably already taken:

HYBRID

When some greenie trys to inform you that it's not, tell them It's a hybrid between a jeep and a 1 ton chevy.

[BMFScout]

Maybe HYBRD ?

[BMFScout]

Do spaces count as a letter?

also it needs to be KRWLR, not CRWLR, it's Klassier!

[Doug Krebs]

Oh yeah, and I'm thinking Ernesto might my fav name for the new Jeep.

How about preston. As in, "Want me to wipe the leaves
on your ficus tree, Preston?"

[Graystroke]

yeah, you only get 5 letters on the horny toad plates and all the others w/ a cute little picture on them

[agjohn02]

You never put the baby seat in the front seat! We also don't want a full seat in the back becuase we have two dogs we have to fit back there as well, along with an ice chest.



how are you supposed to watch a kid in the back seat if it's sitting directly behind you? you put them on he passenger side of the BACK seat. do tundra's even have back seats? im sure they have books for new moms that teach you this kind of stuff. ;)

[Lynda]

[QUOTE=BMFScout]Is Scott installing airbags? If not I bet he'll be fine. QUOTE]


Um...not sure if I want to "Bet" on him being fine. He will be in the back seat until such time as I think he can be in the front seat. But thanks for your unsolicited opinion :D

[Graystroke]

I hope ya'll don't plan on taking him in the jeep until he is 3+ years old..you can give a kid brain damage by shaking him...God knows what would happen in a leaf sprung short wheelbase jeep in rocks....

[robertf03]

Sbs

[Lynda]

I hope ya'll don't plan on taking him in the jeep until he is 3+ years old..you can give a kid brain damage by shaking him...God knows what would happen in a leaf sprung short wheelbase jeep in rocks....


Quit your B*tchin...

[BMFScout]

My sister swung me into a fireplace when I was a toddler...I turned out fine!

[Lynda]

My sister swung me into a fireplace when I was a toddler...I turned out fine!

:confused:

[redcagepatrol]

OK - some updates.
I have a pic of how the rear upper shock mounts look on the rig - mounted to the cage tie-ins.

Started to cover up the hole in the floor this weekend. It's coming out pretty good. The plate that covers the driveshaft will be removable - the top of the "box" will be a piece of bolted in Aluminum.

[KrazyKarl02]

Looks good, good thought on the bolted aluminum for access.

[agjohn02]

hmm, i may have to cut a door in my floor.

[agjohn02]

Okay, I'm getting the "Keep Texas Wild" license plate with the Horny Toad. Specialty plates can only have 5 characters so I looked the availability for the following two choices:

Go N Up - Taken
CRWLR - Available

So basically, can anyone think of anything better than CRWLR? Otherwise, I think this may be my top pick.

Oh yeah, and I'm thinking Ernesto might my fav name for the new Jeep.


CRAWL. it's sure to fulfill your dream of getting published.

[Lynda]

Not bad...I don't know why I didn't think of that myself :) I'll look into it.

[davido]

Looks good, good thought on the bolted aluminum for access.


No, it's for bling. He's going to polish it up all shiny like. :)

[redcagepatrol]

Pulled the cage out so I can finish welding on it.
Started taking everything apart for paint.
I got all of the welding and sanding done on the floor sheet metal. I should be able to get the AL cover done tonight.

[redcagepatrol]

progress pics - the AL tranny cover came out pretty good.

the welded up tranny cover and the shifter boots - sorry, I never got a pic of the finished product, it'll have to wait for re-assembly

Rolling chassis

[redcagepatrol]

more stuff - the cage removed, ready for me to finish the welding on it.

pics of my new and improved storage area inside the house for stuff that I don't want any paint on.

[redcagepatrol]

why no, just a few more

[Graystroke]

looks great!

[Sharpe]

Did you end up using a mechanical clutch bellhousing with some kind of aftermarket bracket to mount the slave cylinder? Who's steering arms are you using?

[Seth]

The "flames" (its early) on the aluminum look sweet. grinder?

[redcagepatrol]

Did you end up using a mechanical clutch bellhousing with some kind of aftermarket bracket to mount the slave cylinder? Who's steering arms are you using?
yep for the bellhousing, I used Parts Mike for the arms. They are the springless style.
"flame" look were done with a grinder, kind've

[redcagepatrol]

I got the cage, frame, main skid, fuel tank skid, oil pan skid, and a bunch of little stuff to the powder coaters on Friday.

Made a oil pan skid. It mounts to the engine and to the main skid plate via a rubber bushing.

finished the main skid gussets too

I hope to get all of the body work done, and paint it in the next three weeks - before the cage and frame come back - and hopefully before the baby comes...

[redcagepatrol]

one more

[redcagepatrol]

the powdercoating is done. I'm having them hold onto it till I get the paint done. Hopefully I'll get it painted in the next few days, still a little covering up to do in the garage.

[agjohn02]

aww man. i was hoping to see pink.

[agjohn02]

wait, hold up, are you getting the frame coated too?

[robertf03]

i think he already had it coated. didn't you get that memo?

[J Cooper]

wait, hold up, are you getting the frame coated too?


im sure thats why its strapped down to the trailer along with the cage :flipoff2:

[Sharpe]

wait, hold up, are you getting the frame coated too?
**Cox writes note to self: get my frame powder coated too**

Dont even post up pics in two weeks of your frame powder coated and then claim you did it before Scott but just didnt post pics :flipoff2:

[agjohn02]

**Cox writes note to self: get my frame powder coated too**

Dont even post up pics in two weeks of your frame powder coated and then claim you did it before Scott but just didnt post pics :flipoff2:


:laughing:

i spent 12 hrs in the shop yesterday came home pooped and kinda thought out loud there. scott didnt tell me he was coating the frame too and it just dawned on me. that'll look pimp. do they make pink powder coat in a spray can?

[redcagepatrol]

primer is done. Have to mow the grass now... Might be able to paint tomorrow night

[redcagepatrol]

paint done - I stayed up late and got that done too.

Might do clear tomorrow night if it's dry enough

[agjohn02]

We really don't plan on putting the shoulder harness in the Jeep although I will probably put a tab on that diagnal bar in case we change our minds.


is this really such a good idea or do you just have a phat insurance policy on Lynda?;)

[redcagepatrol]

We don't plan on putting that Jeep in the situations to where it could possible roll several times down a hill. I only have a lap belt in mine and I one time that I did more than a flop it help me to the seat pretty good. think of all the trails in Clayton and which ones there is a possiblility of rolling continousily down a hill. On most of them you will just lay over and possibly slide a little. Shoulder harnesses have there places and they will be used then - most people don't use them correctly anyways...

EDIT: being able to move your shoulders and head will help you see better to avoid rollovers - and the prevention of rolling is preffered to rolling

[fbronco86]

paint done - I stayed up late and got that done too.

Might do clear tomorrow night if it's dry enough

Scott did you use zolatone again?

I have been waiting to paint my rig too the weather has been killing me during the week.

[BMFScout]

I like the way Andy wheels. Lap belts until he knows its about to get hairy, then the harnesses go on.

[Lynda]

:laughing:

i spent 12 hrs in the shop yesterday came home pooped and kinda thought out loud there. scott didnt tell me he was coating the frame too and it just dawned on me. that'll look pimp. do they make pink powder coat in a spray can?

The frame was powdercoated black, not pink. Thought it would look bad with too many scrapes and future welding on top of it not being something you can easily take off and get re-powdercoated...much easier to touch up black with spray paint without it looking bad.

[Lynda]

I like the way Andy wheels. Lap belts until he knows its about to get hairy, then the harnesses go on.


Ditto...It's hard enough for me to see over the steering wheel without having this massive restraint system holding me back and squashing my boobs (not comfortable for female).

[redcagepatrol]

Scott did you use zolatone again?

I have been waiting to paint my rig too the weather has been killing me during the week.
yes.

[Sharpe]

Methinks 5-point crotch strap crushing nuts worse than shoulder straps crushing boobers.

[Shaggy]

why no pics yet

[redcagepatrol]

here ya go

I sprayed the clear last night - went on pretty good.

[redcagepatrol]

a few more

[agjohn02]

What kind of paint is that again? I know nothing of it.



edit:did you do anything to make your windshield removeable or are those pins still welded in there?

[jerryg79]

Zolatone (sp?)

I think its usually used on concrete.

[BMFScout]

Better Hurry John, you're getting smoked!! :)

Looks good Scott! I want to see those quarters close up, looks like they came out great!

[agjohn02]

Better Hurry John, you're getting smoked!! :)

Looks good Scott! I want to see those quarters close up, looks like they came out great!


I started mine 6 months later than he did, so I've got time. :)

[redcagepatrol]

What kind of paint is that again? I know nothing of it.
I'm not telling :flipoff2:
http://www.zolatoneaim.com/


edit:did you do anything to make your windshield removeable or are those pins still welded in there?
nope - it's just 10 bolts and we don't plan on taking it off very often - just fold it down...

[Seth]

Love the spray booth...

[Fredo]

Zolatone (sp?)

I think its usually used on concrete.

We always used it on wheel wells and rocker panels so they wouldn't rock chip. Some cars have it from the factory on the rockers. It's some pretty tough stuff.

By the way, looking badass Scott. You get everything worked out to get that 5.3 fired up?

[jerryg79]

Hmm wierd their website doesnt even list application on concrete. We had it spec'd in this mock estimate we had to do in an estimating class I took many moons ago. Back then they didnt have a website, but all the painting subs i talked to knew what it was and had used it for that before.

[Lynda]

Well, here it is...a little more pink and a lot less rasberry then we had anticipated... :D

[Fredo]

Wow! I think Scott is going to need to borrow Cody's shirt! :gigem:

[BMFScout]

I'm excited about the pink! It's going to look so tough and so girly at the same time. Should definitely set it apart from every other Jeep.

[Lynda]

That's what I'm hoping...I havn't seen this color scheme yet even on the girl rigs

[agjohn02]

Wow! I think Scott is going to need to borrow Cody's shirt! :gigem:


and steering wheel cover

[Shaggy]

wow not rasberry at all

[Graystroke]

it is gonna look like the barbie jeep

[redcagepatrol]

It looks better than the barbie Jeep....looks really good with the white. Thanks everyone for helping tonight! BDR I think you are the only one that has garage pictures. - Lynda

[agjohn02]

It looks better than the barbie Jeep....looks really good with the white. Thanks everyone for helping tonight! BDR I think you are the only one that has garage pictures. - Lynda


i dunno, looks pretty close to me. i bet if you mix the red and white just right you can get it to match.

http://www.rangerpaint.com/


;) looks great!

[agjohn02]

oh snap, you could do pink hearts

http://www.rangerpaint.com/products/rally-red-tire-paint

[jerryg79]

scott, good call on running that auto tranny, it will make your life a whole lot easier and the rear steer is going to be sweet :gigem:

[JeepPhisherman]

Looks a lot better than I was envisioning. I like the pink shackles too.

[mudtoy67]

scott, good call on running that auto tranny, it will make your life a whole lot easier and the rear steer is going to be sweet :gigem:

Ya, it's those last minute changes that can make the difference. :)

[redcagepatrol]

Lynda wanted me to post a pic of the fake beadlock ring...

[Cajun]

Very nice work guys.

[stx4wheeler]

scott are those the mickey classic II's with the ring? in the 17 inch flavor?

[JB]

Why fake-locks?

[agjohn02]

those will actually look pretty cool with rock rash on them. it'll be shiney scratches.

[robertf03]

Why fake-locks?

because real ones couldn't have the M/T logo

There were some kick as bead looks at northgate yesterday. 2 bolts an inch apart every 60 degrees.

[agjohn02]

There were some kick as bead looks at northgate yesterday. 2 bolts an inch apart every 60 degrees.



dont forget the lug nut protectors

[redcagepatrol]

scott are those the mickey classic II's with the ring? in the 17 inch flavor?
yep - the 17's have the BIG holes, which is what I wanted. There's not another "copycat" brand with holes that big

[redcagepatrol]

Why fake-locks?
because real ones on AL wheels start at $330/wheel. I couldn't justify that much money on a trail rig being that I have only debeaded 4 or 5 tires in all my years of wheeling...

[Graystroke]

your patrol looks like a POS next to Lynda's rig! :flipoff2:

[stx4wheeler]

thats what i figured, are they chrome or polished aluminium?

[Lynda]

polished...

[Lynda]

your patrol looks like a POS next to Lynda's rig! :flipoff2:

Agreed :D but his will be the next to undergo an extreme makeover... :cool:

[stx4wheeler]

scott, good call on running that auto tranny, it will make your life a whole lot easier and the rear steer is going to be sweet :gigem:


i dont know if i am the only one that caught this, are you all really going to change plans and go rear steer? if so wicked pissah

[robertf03]

I think they are playing with cox

[J Cooper]

I think they are playing with cox


:cool:

[agjohn02]

I think they are playing with cox


:rainbow:


i figured as much.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

:rainbow:


i figured as much.

you know you were sweatin it there for a minute though.... :flipoff2:

[stx4wheeler]

you know you were sweatin it there for a minute though.... :flipoff2:

i get it then because they couldnt have the same jeep, hahah :rainbow:

[DRAGOONRANCH]

youre a mean little drunk

[DRAGOONRANCH]

oh, forgot the :flipoff2:


and don't hate, me and cox have a special way to bust eachother's balls...

with coco butter. ;)

[stx4wheeler]

youre a mean little drunk


i also forgot the :flipoff2: , both of their jeeps are so much better than my pile of poo it isnt even funny

[redcagepatrol]

is there supposed to be a starter relay on an 89 Wrangler? If so, how should it be wired?

[robertf03]

no, its got a starter mounted solenoid. the wire goes directly from the ignition switch on the steering column to the little post on the starter, unless its had an alarm installed, then its probably got all sorts of cool stuff to throw away.

[redcagepatrol]

good - I've only got like 5 wires coming out of the "engine side" of the wire harness now. Three go to the battery and the other 2 go to and from the reverse switch.

[robertf03]

no gauge wiring?

let me see if I can find the yj book.

what year was the tub?

[redcagepatrol]

that's all in my engine harness (from fuel injection specialities)

[robertf03]

fancy


can't find it, but look at http://www.cjoffroad.com/. lots of people swapping in 4.0s to older yjs and cjs, I think I found the pinouts there for the fuse block.

3 constant hot wires sounds excessive. There might have been a second one for the headlight portion of the harness.

[robertf03]

http://users.lazerlink.com/~ams/images/wiring%202.jpg

[redcagepatrol]

It shows a starter relay... My schematics show one too.

CJ Offroad doesn't work right now.

[robertf03]

relay = solenoid

I think

If there was a relay I unknowingly took it out on my brothers 90 yj when i put in the 4.0

[agjohn02]

hmm, there might be a new pot to get going here. which one of scott's babies will be out of their respective garages first?

[redcagepatrol]

it shows both in the schematic.

Also - can I use the GM ECT (temp sender) for my autometer gauge? The other head is using a Spal temp switch for the electric fan.

[AggieTJ2007]

on the 4.0 the soliniod is mounted on the starter. There should be a wire that comes through the clutch interlock (if you still have that there) and directly to the starter. My cherokee starter (on the TJ) and the large guage wire from the battery and a smaller wire from the key.

I hope that helps you out

[agjohn02]

Also - can I use the GM ECT (temp sender) for my autometer gauge? The other head is using a Spal temp switch for the electric fan.


doubt it, just adapt the autometer sensor to the hole the fan temp sensor is in and put the fan temp sensor somewhere else, like in the hot side of the radiator.

[redcagepatrol]

My Chiltons drawing shows:
red from battery to starter (large motor wire)
red from battery to one side of the starter relay
Green from the relay to starter solenoid

green from ignition switch to the other side of the starter relay - then to ground

[redcagepatrol]

doubt it, just adapt the autometer sensor to the hole the fan temp sensor is in and put the fan temp sensor somewhere else, like in the hot side of the radiator.
Fan temp sensor? WTF is that? I don't think I have one of those...
I am looking at these
http://www.autometer.com/cat_accessorieslist.aspx?pid=15

[robertf03]

Is that what Lance would do?

I'm sure there is a plug you can use for the sending unit, its not like this hasn't been done before.

The rover has 4 temp sending units :D

edit- I made one of those and might have it sitting on a shelf at my parents house. It was before I found the extra plug on the intake. 3/4" in, 3/4" out, 1/8" npt with 10-32 bung for ground connection. I think I used some exotic sheet too, or at least 310, if you can wait a month and find a way to get it from CS you can have some genuine FlemCo to help navigate you through the trail of life.

[agjohn02]

Fan temp sensor? WTF is that? I don't think I have one of those...
I am looking at these
http://www.autometer.com/cat_accessorieslist.aspx?pid=15


this:

The other head is using a Spal temp switch for the electric fan.

that hose adapter bung is nifty. use it, it'll save cody a lot of work. ;)



i checked my roommates TJ. no relay, just a solenoid. my old 258 in the scout was the same way.

[agjohn02]

when i say no relay, what i really mean is no remote solenoid. i didnt actually check the fuse/relay box for a relay. regardless, if there is a relay in there all its doing is keeping the solenoid current out of the ignition switch. i plan on running one of those anyhow.

[robertf03]

that fuse and relay box under the hood only contains fuel injection and abs type stuff

[redcagepatrol]

the engine harness has a purple tail wire that says "CONNECT TO IGNITION FOR STARTER SOLINOID" So I guess i'll just connect that to whichever wire is hot while cranking

[agjohn02]

the engine harness has a purple tail wire that says "CONNECT TO IGNITION FOR STARTER SOLINOID" So I guess i'll just connect that to whichever wire is hot while cranking


you sure you wanna trust those guys? they don't even know how to spell solenoid.



if you want to prevent clicky starter in the future, if you are using an old YJ harness, connect that purple wire to a relay and have your "hot while cranking" wire from the ignition switch activate the relay.


edit: thats the only thing i didnt put on a relay on the entire scout and guess what, i got clicky starter.

[redcagepatrol]

this guy has one:
http://www.dvaders.com/jeep/morepics/IMG_0966.JPG

[agjohn02]

this guy has one:
http://www.dvaders.com/jeep/morepics/IMG_0966.JPG


as should you. it doesnt have to be in a box like that. just get a 30A relay and a holder/plug from the parts store/junkyard... or just use some female blade connectors to hook up to it, but ill make fun of you if you do that.

[Sharpe]

Use a sealed weatherproof relay from a mid 90's caddy. They have the goofy green "o-ring" type thing like the weatherpack connectors and a skirt on the relay.

[TMatheaus]

i know there is a kit for the fords where they used a fender mounted solenoid and starter mounted solenoid in series, we had to do this on my brothers truck b/c it kept toasting solenoids http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/fms-m-11000-a50.pdf

[redcagepatrol]

just test fired it. Runs good and idles fine - O2 sensors hanging.

I can't seem to find a "hot in start and start only" wire from the ignition switch to hook my purple start wire too. I just touched the wire to 12V to start. Seems like all of the wires coming from the ignition are either hot all the time or hot in start AND run...

[robertf03]

so you don't need the noid lights?

what do you mean o2 sensors hanging? no fluctuation or not physically installed and hanging by the wires?

they dont do much at idle anyway.

[redcagepatrol]

nevermind, I found the right wire.

Don't need the noid lights. I pulled all of the injectors and soaked them in PB blaster and then re-installed. The 2 years of stagnent gas didn't help them.

not physically installed and hanging by the wires

[agjohn02]

not physically installed and hanging by the wires


so, im betting it was running a bit rich, eh?

[agjohn02]

where's the assembled pics?

[redcagepatrol]

I'm holding out till I drive it out of the garage...

[redcagepatrol]

Drove it out of the garage today - Final pics!!!!

[Fredo]

**** YEAH SCOTT! That thing is a mean looking *****!

[Reckless]

Damn, lynda be blingin. Nice work scott!

[jerryg79]

NICE! :gigem:

[redcagepatrol]

some details.

Please note that the wires on the passenger side are not done yet - they look much better in the finished product

[redcagepatrol]

more details - notice my beautiful wiring...
nice ghetto bracket for the brake switch
parking brake wire bracket
front driveshaft cover

[redcagepatrol]

and even more detail pics...

[redcagepatrol]

why not a few more???

[agjohn02]

man, looks good scott.

[redcagepatrol]

OK - lets see if I can find a few more that ya'll haven't seen

[stx4wheeler]

looks awesome scott, awesome attention to detail. u gonna put any innner fenderwheels in to keep that pretty motor clean?

[redcagepatrol]

looks awesome scott, awesome attention to detail. u gonna put any innner fenderwheels in to keep that pretty motor clean?
nope - she'll just stay out of the mud and water?

[stx4wheeler]

sounds good to me i took mine out on the nasty out a long time ago, and it hasnt been a very big problem

[JB]

looks killer....paint the "JEEP" stamp pink too?

[TMatheaus]

looks good, what are you gonna do for exhaust

[Lynda]

looks killer....paint the "JEEP" stamp pink too?

You mean the "JOOP"? I've been wanting to get decals made for them but I'm not sure where I can do that and I don't know what it would be called to search for them online.

[Sharpe]

Any sticker should could make them for you if they had a sample of the font. Tell them what you're doing with it so they can chose the best type of decal for the application, my guess would be vinyl.

I dont have any inner (or outter...) fenders right now but plan on making some inners eventually. The redneck side of me just cant stay out of the mud and I killed an engine nad alternator at the redneck games last year...

[J Cooper]

http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?jeep-sid=183&plID=0&partID=8139


... looks awesome by the way

[Fredo]

This guy looks like he makes custom colors...and that is dirt cheap for the side and tailgate decals.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JEEP-CJ7-SIDE-decals-and-TAILGATE-DECAL-MUST-SEE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50446QQihZ010QQitem Z200146470835QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[BMFScout]

This thread is completely fawking worthless without some driveway smokies!!! -pimp-

Good Work Scott, you're my hero!

[redcagepatrol]

This thread is completely fawking worthless without some driveway smokies!!! -pimp-

Good Work Scott, you're my hero!
I'll work on a video after the exhaust is on... I have a line lock for the front - it will be easy :gigem:

[Graystroke]

That thing looks great! you could quit your day job and be a stay at home Dad and build jeeps for all the peeps w/ too much money!

[Graystroke]

And it was done in only 47 pages! Chadnutz where are you?! Take notice! :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

[redcagepatrol]

That thing looks great! you could quit your day job and be a stay at home Dad and build jeeps for all the peeps w/ too much money!
I have a hard time working on other peoples rigs...

[JeepPhisherman]

Wow, that looks awesome, entirely too clean to be a TAMOR rig, but awesome none the less.

I think you may have said somewhere, but where are you popping the cherry?

[redcagepatrol]

Wow, that looks awesome, entirely too clean to be a TAMOR rig, but awesome none the less.

I think you may have said somewhere, but where are you popping the cherry?
spring creek after the comp? Trying to get a trip scheduled to Clayton

[TxCruzr]

freaking awesome work Scott -pimp-

[CheapJeep]

Badass! :gigem:

[william_ace]

thats really slick, good job

[redcagepatrol]

I was going to pick it up from the exhaust shop but it was raining and I asked them to keep it overnight for me. Hopefully I can get it inspected tomorrow so we can start driving it on the road...

[Seth]

Finally got to look at these pics at home on a decent monitor - loolks great! The back half of that cage looks stout! The wiring/plumbing is clean as well. Did you use a split loom tool to put it all on? I am guessing the lift is from the exhaust shop? The only thing that threw me off were the chrome surrounds on the taillights, dont know why. What color is the steering going to be? (black)

[davido]

I saw it in person. It is super clean. The wiring, everything. I told him the same thing about doing it professionally. It's absolutely slick.

[redcagepatrol]

Did you use a split loom tool to put it all on? I am guessing the lift is from the exhaust shop? The only thing that threw me off were the chrome surrounds on the taillights, dont know why. What color is the steering going to be? (black)
There is a tool? I just used my fingers... The rear light bezels are stainless - and look much better than rubber which is the other option. The steering is all black.

Exhaust looks and sounds good. I have it ready to inspect but it's raining out...

[agjohn02]

There is a tool? I just used my fingers...


x2?

[Seth]

hERE (http://cableorganizer.com/loom-tool/)

That is the type I have used - take a little while to get used to, but if you are doing long runs (ie busses) its really nice. Ours came in a set for all the diff sizes.

[agjohn02]

I was going to pick it up from the exhaust shop but it was raining and I asked them to keep it overnight for me. Hopefully I can get it inspected tomorrow so we can start driving it on the road...


better stay off of westheimer in that pink jeep, stud:flipoff2:

[Doug Krebs]

better stay off of westheimer in that pink jeep, stud:flipoff2:

I'd roll through montrose!

[CheapJeep]

I'd roll through montrose!
:laughing:

Again, awesome job. That thing is sick! :gigem:

[redcagepatrol]

I didn't make it to get it inspected. I was finishing up the windshield wipers and licence plate light when it started raining again. Never cleared up - better luck tomorrow...

[eight]

You getting this inspected in Harris county?

[redcagepatrol]

You getting this inspected in Harris county?
I'm gonna try... It's registered and insued as a 1979 CJ5

[redcagepatrol]

she's inspected - no we're heading downtown for the title transfer and custom plate application...

[sasquatch]

no problems getting it inspected with full hydro steering?

[redcagepatrol]

nope - I even went to a normal auto shop. They didn't drive it or anything, just checked the lights, horn, wipers, and parking brake

[Lynda]

You getting this inspected in Harris county?

Yes, it was inspected this morning and passed! They didn't have to check emissions and they didn't drive it. We've also sent in for our specialized plates.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Yes, it was inspected this morning and passed! They didn't have to check emissions and they didn't drive it. We've also sent in for our specialized plates.


R

1 post above...

nope - I even went to a normal auto shop. They didn't drive it or anything, just checked the lights, horn, wipers, and parking brake

:flipoff3:

All these pictures of the jeep, we need one of the newb in the drivers seat. :gigem:

[TMatheaus]

so what plates did yall try to get???

[JeepPhisherman]

Read mother****er!!

[Lynda]

All these pictures of the jeep, we need one of the newb in the drivers seat. :gigem:[/QUOTE]


We would if he could sit up on his own :D We'll have to strap his carseat in the back and take a picture of that.

[Lynda]

so what plates did yall try to get???


We ordered the "Keep Texas Wild" plates with the horned lizard and had them personalized with "CRAWL"

[redcagepatrol]

Need some tech help - Fred? Flem?

I cannot get the coolant system working properly... It seems like the thermostat never opens up.
I have a SPAL switch on the passenger head that turns the fans on when the heads get to 195 degrees and turn off at 175. The ECT for the engine is on the driver side head and it is shutting down the engine.
The radiator NEVER gets hot - the upper hose might get hot after I shut the engine down, but the lower one - by the thermostat never gets warm.

I drilled three (3/32") holes in the thermostat plate to allow water to get to the other side and open the thermostat - that didn't work. I have burped it multiple times and there can't be too many more air pockets in that thing...

I believe that the OEM thermostat is supposed to open at 215. My theory is that it opens and allows the 80 degree radiator water to come in and then it closes.

I am a little confused on the operation - the top hose send water TO the radiator and the lower is OUT thru the thermostat right? Somethings not right, I'm getting frustrated...

[agjohn02]

the thermostat is always where water comes out of the engine. if not it would never stay open or your engine would be running WAY too hot. check your belt routing.

[redcagepatrol]

the belt is routed correctly - I just verified. If the water comes out of the engine at the thermostat (lower hose on this engine) it will be going against the spring loaded operation of the thermostat - which might be OK, but I thought I would point it out. When the thermostat opens it moves the "plunger" towards the engine.

[agjohn02]

little clarification?


The ECT for the engine is on the driver side head and it is shutting down the engine.

so the engine is getting hot enough that it shuts itself down?




The radiator NEVER stays cold - the upper hose might get hot after I shut the engine down, but the lower one - by the thermostat never gets warm.



edit this please. i dont understand it very well.

the radiator never gets HOT? maybe your belt routing is fine but your thermostat is backwards?

[redcagepatrol]

my next problem is that the oil pressure runs about 90psi at idle and the goes down when I rev it up. I have never seen it below 75#'s. The signal is coming from the PCM.

[agjohn02]

the wax on the thermostat should be on the engine side. im not familiar with the details of the Lxx themostats. the LT1 therm is different than a sbc, but im not sure about these.

i think the plunger should move away from the engine b/c as the wax gets hot, it swells and opens the therm. im not picturing it very well.

it should look something like this... ls1 thermostst

http://sikls1.v8owners.com.au/thermo-320.jpg

[redcagepatrol]

little clarification?
so the engine is getting hot enough that it shuts itself down?
edit this please. i dont understand it very well.

the radiator never gets HOT? maybe your belt routing is fine but your thermostat is backwards?
Yes - the engine get's hot enought to go into loop control and shut down.

I edited it - I can place my hand on either side of the radiator and it's cold. The thermostat is "cast" into the housing and can't be installed backwards.

[redcagepatrol]

the wax on the thermostat should be on the engine side. im not familiar with the details of the Lxx themostats. the LT1 therm is different than a sbc, but im not sure about these.

i think the plunger should move away from the engine b/c as the wax gets hot, it swells and opens the therm. im not picturing it very well.

it should look something like this... ls1 thermostst

http://sikls1.v8owners.com.au/thermo-320.jpg
That's it - the left side plunger moves to the right and seals the hot water from the bigger inner spring. The plate on the left side is what I drilled holes into. The plunger that opens it is on the right side held in by the big spring. It lifts off it's seat moving towards the left.

[Fredo]

These cooling systems are very picky when it comes to air in the system. I recommend if you already have coolant in the system, take off the upper radiator hose and continue to fill the engine. I know if you don't do this on my LT1, it will never circulate water correctly due to air. It's almost like the pump won't prime. So if you just took the radiator cap off, filled the system, and fired it up, this is more than likely your problem. Also, after you check that and make sure it's full, let it warm up with the radiator cap off.

As far as the oil pressure thing goes...that's interesting. You don't have positive and negative switched on the actual gauge do you?

EDIT: Let me clarify. What I'm saying is to take the upper hose off, and pour coolant down that hose into the engine until it's full. Then put the hose back on and fill the system the rest of the way.

[redcagepatrol]

These cooling systems are very picky when it comes to air in the system. I recommend if you already have coolant in the system, take off the upper radiator hose and continue to fill the engine. I know if you don't do this on my LT1, it will never circulate water correctly due to air. It's almost like the pump won't prime. So if you just took the radiator cap off, filled the system, and fired it up, this is more than likely your problem. Also, after you check that and make sure it's full, let it warm up with the radiator cap off.

As far as the oil pressure thing goes...that's interesting. You don't have positive and negative switched on the actual gauge do you?

EDIT: Let me clarify. What I'm saying is to take the upper hose off, and pour coolant down that hose into the engine until it's full. Then put the hose back on and fill the system the rest of the way.
It worked!!! I'm so happy :D
Now - oil pressure - I checked the wires, they are VERY simple and correct. I ran a common ground on the dash gauges that jumps from gauge to gauge and it was right. I followed the signal wire right to the PCM output.

[Fredo]

What kind of gauge is it? Also, one wire factory oil pressure sender?

[redcagepatrol]

it's an Autometer gauge
This is interesting though - I don't know where it is connected to the engine at? I don't think I have a tail out connection for the oil pressure - just the tan wire from the PCM that says "connect to oil pressure" The paperwork says to connect it to the gauge and also states that the GM factory sensor has a range of 0-90 ohms.

But - like I said, I don't have a connection on the engine... I'm going to make another call to Fuel Injection Specialties...

[redcagepatrol]

it's an Autometer gauge
This is interesting though - I don't know where it is connected to the engine at? I don't think I have a tail out connection for the oil pressure - just the tan wire from the PCM that says "connect to oil pressure" The paperwork says to connect it to the gauge and also states that the GM factory sensor has a range of 0-90 ohms.

But - like I said, I don't have a connection on the engine... I'm going to make another call to Fuel Injection Specialties...
I'm wrong - theres one on the back of the engine. I'm going to change to the autometer sender - that must be the problem.

[agjohn02]

you'll probably have to put a tee in there and keep the factory sender. im sure the computer wont like not seeing oil pressure. just run the autometer sender directly to the gauge.

[Fredo]

yeah, you're going to have to keep the factory one otherwise it won't run. The computer won't let the engine run without oil pressure. If you can find another spot for the autometer pressure sender to go great, but I don't think they have a lot of high oil pressure ports just hanging out on the block. John's right, you'll probably have to rig up some sort of "T" so both senders get a signal. That or call autometer and see if they make a gauge or adapter kit that functions off of the range of the GM sender.

[agjohn02]

If you can find another spot for the autometer pressure sender to go great, but I don't think they have a lot of high oil pressure ports just hanging out on the block.


you can also pick up high oil pressure at the block off plate above the oil filter but i dont remember the specifics of it. ls1tech is your friend.

[redcagepatrol]

you have to drill and tap it I think. I just don't want to run another wire - I was done with that crap... Anyway that I can "calibrate" the signal from the PCM to match what the Autometer gauge needs? The GM sender is supposed to send 0~90 ohms

[agjohn02]

whats the autometer send? i dont have mine here.

[redcagepatrol]

I don't know and couldn't find the info anywhere...

[redcagepatrol]

finished engine compartment pics. I bought the intake from Street and Performance - they have some pretty cool stuff. It sure seemed a bunch simpler and cleaner to put the filter there instead of running an elbow and some tube. Also added a pic of the exhaust dump - it came out pretty good.