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AggieTJ2007
02-09-2006, 06:56 PM
Well just talked to DD machine and the doublers will be done in a few weeks so I am planning on a 231 doubler infront of a flipped dana 300.

Just decided I should start my own thread so I can feel special.

tigweld
02-10-2006, 08:45 AM
I hope u plan on extending the wheelbase, or the thats gonna be a crazy short rear drive. good luck

Doug Krebs
02-10-2006, 10:07 AM
it's not much longer than a regular 231.

Fredo
02-10-2006, 10:09 AM
how much longer we talking? a rear TJ driveshaft is short when stock

BMFScout
02-10-2006, 10:12 AM
Yeah, but on a TJ you have about 2" of actual driveshaft after the CV, and a kickass driveline angle w/ a 4" lift on a SYE 231. Maybe the Standard makes it better?

tigweld
02-10-2006, 10:41 AM
a high pinion in the rear would prolly make it easier, but if the transfercase combo is much longer than stock I bet you have to lengthen the wheelbase.

agjohn02
02-10-2006, 11:37 AM
you should really find a trashed jeep to do all this to and ot your daily dri.... oh wait, nevermind, your good to go.

Matt Conlee
02-10-2006, 02:01 PM
the driveshaft angle will be fine as long as you dont get any more lift or do a flat skid.

AggieTJ2007
02-10-2006, 06:48 PM
i haven't measured the length of the 231 w/ sye, but the lenght of the doubler and 300 will be around 18 inches. pretty much the same lenght as the 231 is right now.

I may have to to a MML to get the angles better but i don't plan on adding anymore lift

Right now I am have 5 inches of tube between the CV and slip shaft

bburris
02-11-2006, 01:50 AM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/articles/productreviews/mad_rooster

AggieTJ2007
02-11-2006, 12:05 PM
yep, thats what I am doing

bburris
02-11-2006, 12:30 PM
That has the length comparisons in the text somewhere. I read it but when I posted the link I was too tired to look them up again. Looks like you'll gain a little length in your shaft... :rainbow:

AggieTJ2007
02-11-2006, 06:27 PM
yeah about an inch

CRaSHnBuRN
02-11-2006, 08:02 PM
so, let me get one thing straight. What you're doing is similar to the Mad Rooster version, but you're having it done by DD machine? Is there a difference between the two?

bburris
02-11-2006, 10:59 PM
I'd guess that he won't be paying that exhorbitant butt-pirate price for his.

CRaSHnBuRN
02-12-2006, 11:18 AM
so what is he paying? I'm curious because this holds some interesting possiblities. Like I was telling eric yesterday, you could grab a 4.3/NV3500/NP231 combo out of a 4x4 S10, and then add the D300 to that. Seems like it would be a simple, lightweight, and fairly strong setup for something like a buggy or a toyota looking for more power

uglyota
02-13-2006, 11:38 AM
just talked to Novak and it's not that easy...
there's not an adapter available to go from chevy np231 pattern>D300, only from jeep 231 pattern>D300, though it might not be hard to make. So to go 4.3>nv3500(actually Warner-Aisin 3550)>D300 using currently available adapters you'd have to go 4.3>bellhousing adapter>AX15 (same tranny but different bolt patterns)>tcase adapter>D300. Unless of course someone wants to whip up a chevy pattern 231>d300 adapter.
And I'm not so sure that 3550/ax15 is gonna be any stronger than a yota w56, though it's probably a lot easier to find.

Doug Krebs
02-13-2006, 11:44 AM
ok ding-a-lings... When talking to D.D. Machine about advice on cutting the splines on my shaft, he told me he was making a kit similar too madroosters. If you read pirate alot, you've seen arguments between the two of them over splines, etc... I'm not sure how secretive this whole project is he is doing as he's hinted to it on pirate. Price will be much cheaper...

BMFScout
02-13-2006, 11:47 AM
will he throw in a set of taurus fans?

uglyota
02-13-2006, 11:48 AM
lets do this in your thread, dingaling

uglyota
02-13-2006, 12:58 PM
on further research it looks like the 3550>300 adapter is already available, but to put a 300 behind a 700r4 or similar. It looks like you'd need a new output shaft for the tranny though...sorry for snaking the thread Creighton

AggieTJ2007
02-13-2006, 06:23 PM
yeah, I talked to DD machine after advice from Doug, its who I am getting my doubler from when he has them finished.

If you compare the cases on the 231 you could do the doubler behind the 231 and add the 300. The price of the coubler would be similar to an adaptor

AggieTJ2007
03-08-2006, 06:15 PM
well I talked to DD machine today, has the doubler for sale as of March 20, 349+ 15 shipping compared to Mad Rooster's $649. I am ordering one as soon as I can

AggieTJ2007
03-16-2006, 07:09 PM
well on the way back from South Texas my welded rear decided to take a dump on me. It just broke the welds so it makes wonderful sounds again.

So I decided to order a detriot and maybe some new gears, haven't decided on it yet.

CheapJeep
03-16-2006, 07:17 PM
I thought you took welding classes??? :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
03-17-2006, 01:24 AM
I didnt weld it, the welds held good for about 10000 miles. Don't think the carrier is quite strong enough for the welded gears.

AggieTJ2007
03-20-2006, 12:57 PM
ok, well I am dropping the jeep off at 4wp to get gears and a new locker put in, and I just ordered the 231 doubler from DD machine. Now to go search for a 23 spline 231 and a 231cHD

eight
03-20-2006, 01:06 PM
I know someone with a 23 spline 231 he wants to sell.

AggieTJ2007
03-20-2006, 07:02 PM
less than a case of keystone?

eight
03-20-2006, 10:22 PM
Lots of keystone.

AggieTJ2007
03-21-2006, 02:04 AM
ill pass, i know where a couple are that will fit my purpose just fine

Sharpe
03-21-2006, 12:44 PM
I finally picked up that broken one. Its probably ****ed up beyond use to you but once I get the **** out of it I want you can have the rest, for spare parts if nothing else.

AggieTJ2007
03-21-2006, 12:45 PM
what kind of case is it? does it have a tag?

Sharpe
03-21-2006, 01:16 PM
I told you its a 231 out of a dodge half ton truck. The truck hit a large dead tree doing like 60 mph down the beach and it basically ripped the truck in half.

DRAGOONRANCH
03-21-2006, 01:21 PM
I'd love to see pictures of that. :cheers:

AggieTJ2007
03-21-2006, 01:34 PM
pictures of the case?

DRAGOONRANCH
03-21-2006, 01:36 PM
The truck hit a large dead tree doing like 60 mph down the beach and it basically ripped the truck in half.


of this

Sharpe
03-21-2006, 01:51 PM
The body of the truck wasnt damaged "that bad" but the undercarriage got it bad. The front axle was broken clean in half in the miiddle, the tranny bellhousing broke, the part of the t-case that sticks off the side broke off, and I think it bent the rear axle. The body was still well mangled, the front clip was destroyed and the body was smashed prety good but the passenger area was mostly intact. Odly enough I dont think the bed got damaged.

AggieTJ2007
03-21-2006, 10:52 PM
I think i may be able to use that case, get me more info por favor

Sharpe
03-22-2006, 12:27 AM
More info? Its broken, you can have it fo free after I take the parts I need. What else do you need to know?

AggieTJ2007
03-22-2006, 09:39 AM
thats it

AggieTJ2007
03-29-2006, 01:00 PM
Well I got the doubler stuff in. Its clean nice work, I think its much better than Mad Rooster's. This friday its off to the junkyard to find a 231c HD and a 23 spline 231

agjohn02
03-29-2006, 03:24 PM
pics!

AggieTJ2007
03-29-2006, 05:43 PM
ok here they are

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/album37/IMAG0001.sized.jpg

AggieTJ2007
04-03-2006, 12:34 AM
well I ordered some chromo front stub shafts today, and soon I will order some Warn Chromo inners w/ 760-x ujoints and full circle clips

AggieTJ2007
04-14-2006, 12:16 AM
ok, so now that i will be putting the cases in there, I have decided that it is also going to need some more whellbase. Say around 103". I think i am going to use some cherokee springs and french that hangers into the framerails.

It should handle alot better with the leafs than the crappy 4link as well

bburris
04-14-2006, 12:19 AM
If you're being sarcastic, it isn't funny.

:flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
04-14-2006, 12:28 AM
no, I really want to do it this way. Im not being sarcastic,

agjohn02
04-14-2006, 12:49 AM
Im not being sarcastic,


of course he's not, doh!


leaf sprung tj's are the new michael jackson

TexTJ209
04-14-2006, 12:53 AM
of course he's not, doh!


leaf sprung tj's are the new michael jackson


They rape little boys? :confused:

AggieTJ2007
04-14-2006, 01:13 AM
no but the leafs will work well while I design and build a nice 4 link

agjohn02
04-14-2006, 01:41 AM
ahh

eight
04-14-2006, 09:16 AM
Here's an idea. Say you want a 10" stretch. Measure how long the stock links are, and make new ones 10" longer. Then move the track bar and coil buckets back. It'll work alot better than leaf springs, and likely actually be on the low side of antisquat.

AggieTJ2007
04-14-2006, 10:58 AM
I thought about that too,

agjohn02
04-14-2006, 08:50 PM
Here's an idea. Say you want a 10" stretch. Measure how long the stock links are, and make new ones 10" longer. Then move the track bar and coil buckets back. It'll work alot better than leaf springs, and likely actually be on the low side of antisquat.


thats a dumb idea. put leaf springs on it!

bburris
04-14-2006, 09:48 PM
He would essentially have to back-half his Jeep to move the coil buckets back from where they are. Try looking at a TJ's frame some time and tell me things weren't designed to stay where Jeep put them.

AggieTJ2007
04-15-2006, 01:08 AM
yeah, thats the problem with moving the buckets, Ide have to chop off the frame and build a new one. Not something I would do or have the time to do on a DD

tigweld
04-15-2006, 07:59 AM
you don't have to make a new rear clip the kick just needs to be moved back. if you buy a fuel cell, lengthening the stock clip would be a weekend deal if you had good mig

eight
04-15-2006, 08:32 AM
mount the coils to the controll arms, leave the upper buckets where they are

tigweld
04-16-2006, 02:25 PM
what about your bump travel?

TexTJ209
04-16-2006, 02:33 PM
Don't know if this is a good idea or not, but I've seen it done a few times.

AggieTJ2007
04-16-2006, 09:43 PM
That works good if you don't mind having a ton of lift. as you can see the coil bucket it probably 2-3 inches lower than stock. I don't want that much lift, or to have to go back to short coils.

uglyota
04-17-2006, 09:06 AM
do you want the mains back from those cherokee packs you gave me? I've been carrying them around for you :D
is there not room to inboard the coils on those? What about air shocks?

AggieTJ2007
04-17-2006, 09:23 PM
yeah, if you aren't using those mains I love to use them.

I really just don't want to build a link sususpension right now

agjohn02
04-18-2006, 02:09 AM
I really just don't want to build a link sususpension right now


then just wheel it like it is and dont screw it up even more.

wait, what am i saying, i get joy from seeing you trash your jeep. go ahead!

AggieTJ2007
04-19-2006, 12:39 AM
The jeep may look trashed but underneath everything is well taken care of. I drove it 20,000 miles since I have put the lift on it and I haven't had a single problem except one rear u-joint from wrong pinion angle.

sasquatch
04-19-2006, 12:43 AM
i may have missed this in the previous pages. why do yuo want to put leaves on it and get rid of the stock design suspension with future plans of a 4 link. is it just for more wheelbase? why not deal with it until your ready for the 4 link?

AggieTJ2007
04-19-2006, 01:14 AM
well it has to do with more wheelbase and more importantly more driveshaft after I but the doubler in. I will probably get the cherokee main leaves back from Eric and then just pick up random springs from the junkyard

tigweld
04-19-2006, 07:20 AM
ghetto

eight
04-19-2006, 08:55 AM
4 links are easy, do it now.

AggieTJ2007
05-01-2006, 12:11 PM
well, i picked up my dana 300 yesterday and an optima red top. I also just got the Banks Exhaust for the TJ

AggieTJ2007
05-05-2006, 12:46 AM
ok, ive got the doubler together, I just need to weld the side piece in. I also have the 300 torn down and put back together, all of the bearings, races and gears look good.

Now all I need to do is figue out what I want to do for shifters and paint both of them.

I also need CV yokes but Chreokee yokes will fit so just need to get some of those from the junkyard.

Fredo
05-05-2006, 12:59 AM
i guess when I told bob to pick out a good 300 he did just that. Sorry to be so short with you, but I had to be somewhere, so I hope you didn't think I was brushing you out in a hurry the other day.

agjohn02
05-05-2006, 01:17 AM
I also need CV yokes but Chreokee yokes will fit so just need to get some of those from the junkyard.


i think you have to trim the cherokee yokes to make then fit a d300. maybe just the dust cover though. i have atlas front yokes on mine.

eight
05-05-2006, 07:19 AM
Change the dust covers with the stock ones.

So I assume you flipped el 300? How'd you go about that?

AggieTJ2007
05-05-2006, 09:50 AM
well the flip was really easy, I picked it up and turned it over.

yeah, not a problem fred, there was some nasty gear lube in there though but it cleaned up good

uglyota
05-05-2006, 01:23 PM
well the flip was really easy, I picked it up and turned it over.
:laughing:
a Kopecki-style answer to a Kopecki question!

AggieTJ2007
05-05-2006, 02:37 PM
ok so after some reasearch I have come up w/ a very interesting and unique way to shift my 300

DRAGOONRANCH
05-05-2006, 02:46 PM
If I wasn't so ****in tired and it wasn't so late, I would stay up for the brief on this, but I am out like a light in Falujah. Peace fools :flipoff2:

eight
05-05-2006, 03:12 PM
ok so after some reasearch I have come up w/ a very interesting and unique way to shift my 300

Build shifters to go around driveshaft?

AggieTJ2007
05-05-2006, 03:17 PM
no air or cable shifters

eight
05-05-2006, 03:20 PM
Do the cable ones and then tell me about it. I think my buggy is gonna have cable shifters, but I don't like the $280 price. What type of cables you thinking?

AggieTJ2007
05-05-2006, 04:09 PM
yeah, I am going to use some transmission shifter cables and build a bracket

AggieTJ2007
05-05-2006, 06:42 PM
does anyone have any knowledge and could school me in air actuators

agjohn02
05-05-2006, 06:43 PM
yeah, its a bad idea. finish flipping the case.

agjohn02
05-05-2006, 06:44 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=161815&highlight=%2420+300+flip

AggieTJ2007
05-05-2006, 06:45 PM
that kinda what Ive read, i tooks like they can apply too much force and bed the shifters. I guess ill just shift it from the bottom using the cables, or maybe the backside....hmm.

eight
05-05-2006, 06:54 PM
If they apply too much force, turn down the pressure. Or just get ones that are the right size. Either way I still think air is a bad way to power things. Have you checked on just building shifters around the shaft? That's what Kurt did and his shifters come up through the stock hole, not sure how much further back your's will be though.

agjohn02
05-05-2006, 06:57 PM
Have you checked on just building shifters around the shaft? That's what Kurt did and his shifters come up through the stock hole, not sure how much further back your's will be though.

...

eight
05-05-2006, 07:06 PM
Yea its very silular to that. Except not ****ed up. That probably doesn't even work. Pull out the middle bolts and weld it, get the tacks off the shift rails and grind the shifters thinner so there's a little room for flex between them and the shift rails.

agjohn02
05-05-2006, 07:10 PM
i actually like this better than what you're talking about. you lose a lot of mechanical advantage if you do it your way. the only thing i worry about here is the shift rails binding since they arent supposed to have side load on them... and leakage.

agjohn02
05-05-2006, 07:14 PM
heres your rear cable shifters creighton

http://photoshow.comcast.net/watch/IV5DF8qB?sk=082a90fd41556bf9deb2fe21bd2bb86f

AggieTJ2007
05-05-2006, 11:28 PM
ill probably do the rear cable shifters cause either way I want cable shifters, so I can pu the shifters where I want to

Shaggy
05-05-2006, 11:33 PM
cable sounds the way to go... i went with the hard bolted type and i dont think i saved any money one bit

AggieTJ2007
05-06-2006, 01:42 PM
I think i am going to use these cables and their heavy duty push pull levers
http://www.mcmaster.com/ctlg/DisplCtlgPage.asp?ReqTyp=CATALOG&CtlgPgNbr=1084&CtlgEdition=&sesnextrep=505448225553951&ScreenWidth=2560&McMMainWidth=901

stx4wheeler
05-06-2006, 03:39 PM
i think those are the ones that a guy on pirate used when installing a 2005 dodge cummins motor, and dodge tranny onto a np205, in a bronco, look in the ford section for bronco cummins swap or something like that i think the user name was vetteboy or something like that it will prolly bea couple pages back.

william_ace
05-06-2006, 03:54 PM
i think its the same, but its a 12valve motor i do know that. not that it matters

AggieTJ2007
05-06-2006, 04:30 PM
ok, i just order the cables and shifters from mcmaster-carr. I think i am going to drill and tap the ends of the shift rails. and attach the cables that way

CRaSHnBuRN
05-06-2006, 04:52 PM
take lots of pics. I want to see how well it works with the mcmaster carr shifter

AggieTJ2007
05-06-2006, 05:03 PM
I will, the cables are rated for 130lbs push and 150lbs pull, and the shifters for 200/200

AggieTJ2007
05-08-2006, 12:58 PM
ok, today I got new breathers installed on both cases. I used some 1/4 npt elbows and flare fittings, drilled and tapped new holes. I also put sight tubes on both of the cases.

CheapJeep
05-08-2006, 01:56 PM
today I got new breathers installed on both cases. I used some 1/4 npt elbows and flare fittings, drilled and tapped new holes. I also put sight tubes on both of the cases.
sweet. :gigem:

AggieTJ2007
05-08-2006, 10:17 PM
Ok, I need to make another mount to support the 2nd case. What have everyone used. I was thinking about modifying a stock TJ transmission mount so that I have two of them.

One on the transmission and one on the 300, but I don't know if it would like that much torque, It stock mount isn't happy right now, even in 2hi

Shaggy
05-09-2006, 07:41 AM
i still need to build a support for my second case... all the weight of both cases is on an alumnum adapter

CRaSHnBuRN
05-09-2006, 01:33 PM
give us some pics of the back and bottom of the cases so we can get an idea of what you have to work with

AggieTJ2007
05-09-2006, 02:20 PM
well, I picked one up today that I think will work. Its a trans mount from a 78 chevy

agjohn02
05-09-2006, 04:05 PM
page 3 and only one pic you probably got off the internet... i call BS

AggieTJ2007
05-09-2006, 06:33 PM
ok here are some they are really bad but my camera sucks donky dong.

CRaSHnBuRN
05-09-2006, 11:24 PM
****, what is that case made out of, plutonium? Its fawkin glowing :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
05-09-2006, 11:26 PM
yeah fred hooked me up with one of the new uranium cases

robertf03
05-09-2006, 11:32 PM
I think I have that same cup holding sockets in the garage

AggieTJ2007
05-09-2006, 11:34 PM
oh that cup doesn't hold sockets it hold my water. I have a ton of them around the house. Every time I go to a game I pick up all of them that I can from around me and bring them home

AggieTJ2007
05-10-2006, 09:38 AM
ok i got the shifters and cables today, they are very beefy.

AggieTJ2007
05-14-2006, 12:09 AM
well I got all of the brackets built, and the shifters but on the case. It is pretty strait forward install, you attach the end of the cables to the shift rails. I drilled and tapped the shift rails, and then you build a bracket that attaches to the t-case and holds the cables. Then you attach cables to shifters and you can shift.

AggieTJ2007
06-05-2006, 01:17 AM
so well my starter finally went out when I was in CS. It was a ***** to push start in on dexter but I got it done, and at the gas station.

Anyways for anyone with a 99 or newer TJ you can use an starter from a 98 or earlier 4.0 you just have to replace the plug connector with a ring terminal and it saves you about $100. I don't know why the TJ starter costs so much more but the new one works

CRaSHnBuRN
06-05-2006, 02:24 AM
I would have tried to use the extra tubing and your soft top to rig a sail, and used that to get home :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
06-05-2006, 11:46 AM
probably would have worked if there had been more wind, I had plenty of tubing

AggieTJ2007
06-12-2006, 11:43 PM
well I have a massive leak that has began on my driver rear axle. I don't know what cause the axle seal to begin to leak so much but Ill look

Matt Conlee
06-13-2006, 06:30 PM
maybe its bent

sasquatch
06-13-2006, 08:42 PM
i had a bunch of crap in my tubes when i pulled the shafts on the zj

AggieTJ2007
06-16-2006, 01:48 PM
It may be bent, but I think the guys that did the bearing before are idiots. So the bearing seized while I was driving down the highway in dallas last night and I lost the tire, wheel, and axleshaft going 70.

Aparently when the bearing siezed it was able to break the retaining ring and I got dana 35 syndrome.

Well the moral of the story is 1 axleshaft toast w/ twisted splines. Brakes toast on driver side and a jeep drops alot when a 33 falls off. I would hate to have it happen w/ 35's or 37's.

So now I am ordering some 4340 axles for the rear and disk brakes. since both 4340 axles cost 1/2 of what one OEM axle does from the dealer.

DRAGOONRANCH
06-16-2006, 01:54 PM
It may be bent, but I think the guys that did the bearing before are idiots. So the bearing seized while I was driving down the highway in dallas last night and I lost the tire, wheel, and axleshaft going 70.

Aparently when the bearing siezed it was able to break the retaining ring and I got dana 35 syndrome.

Well the moral of the story is 1 axleshaft toast w/ twisted splines. Brakes toast on driver side and a jeep drops alot when a 33 falls off. I would hate to have it happen w/ 35's or 37's.

So now I am ordering some 4340 axles for the rear and disk brakes. since both 4340 axles cost 1/2 of what one OEM axle does from the dealer.

So no major damage to anything else, then it sounds to me like you came out on top atleast, and not on your top. ;)



By the way, is the insurance going to pick up the dry cleaning bill on your seat covers. :flipoff2:

sasquatch
06-16-2006, 02:15 PM
It may be bent, but I think the guys that did the bearing before are idiots. So the bearing seized while I was driving down the highway in dallas last night and I lost the tire, wheel, and axleshaft going 70.

Aparently when the bearing siezed it was able to break the retaining ring and I got dana 35 syndrome.

Well the moral of the story is 1 axleshaft toast w/ twisted splines. Brakes toast on driver side and a jeep drops alot when a 33 falls off. I would hate to have it happen w/ 35's or 37's.

So now I am ordering some 4340 axles for the rear and disk brakes. since both 4340 axles cost 1/2 of what one OEM axle does from the dealer.

:laughing: thats some scary shat

what road where you on?

AggieTJ2007
06-16-2006, 02:34 PM
I was on the ramp from 35 to 75. right by reunion tower.

I wish insurance was paying but it not enough over the deductable to worry.

sasquatch
06-16-2006, 02:37 PM
oh man that sucks. surprised some jackass didnt run you over.

AggieTJ2007
06-17-2006, 12:04 AM
thats why I didn't stop in the road, I just kept driving sparks and all

Anyways, I just ordered a teraflex disk brake conversion, and some alloy usa axles. That should round out the rear end.

uglyota
06-21-2006, 11:40 AM
how's the price on all that stuff compare to a BMF 8.8 conversion?

AggieTJ2007
06-21-2006, 12:18 PM
well, when you take in account, the gears and lockers it is much less

Dealer quoted $450 for a new axle shaft
4340 shafts w/ bearing and backing plates $299

Dealer quote for drum, drum brakes and back plate $ 300
Disk brake conversion $545

So all in all, I now have a brand new rear axle, and I just hope the housing isn't bent, but I plan to truss it pretty soon, since I won't be worried about the detroit or 4340 shafts breaking.

Oh, and when I found the old shaft on the side of the road, the splines were twited, not from falling out, but from off-road. That side was ready to break.

uglyota
06-21-2006, 12:22 PM
Luckily it broke where it did, instead of out on a trail or something! :laughing:

AggieTJ2007
06-21-2006, 12:27 PM
yeah, i would have had to drive it w/ a tree strapped to the side or somthing. Well if the shaft had broken it wouldn't have been a big deal, it was the bearing seizing that made the wheel fall off. Probably due to the 1.5 hour drive at 75+ mph

AggieTJ2007
07-24-2006, 11:58 AM
Ok so I have decided to go with an air shifter for doubler.

Who knows about pnumatics. I know I need a double acting cylinder but what type of valve do I need to control it. I was looking at one of these valves

http://www.coastpneumatics.com/products/valves/mechanicalvalves/togglevalves.php

agjohn02
07-24-2006, 12:01 PM
the cable set-up wouldnt work?

AggieTJ2007
07-24-2006, 12:06 PM
no cables for 300, air for 231

Sharpe
07-24-2006, 01:27 PM
Remind me again why levers and rods are not being used?

agjohn02
07-24-2006, 01:35 PM
Remind me again why levers and rods are not being used?


because its a jeep and the shifters must follow the theme of not working/ being out of adjustment/ leaking.

uglyota
07-24-2006, 03:13 PM
because having 20 gears and only 1 extra shifter is fawkin cool :D

AggieTJ2007
07-24-2006, 03:23 PM
eric gets it, and I an mount the valve anywhere I want. Also I think a cylinder that is self lubricating and garuantied for 1400 miles, high temperatures and industrial use should be just as reliable as a rod and lever without all of those damn levers to be impaled on

did he mention 20 forward gears, and only 3 lever comming out of the floor

AggieTJ2007
07-24-2006, 03:24 PM
because its a jeep and the shifters must follow the theme of not working/ being out of adjustment/ leaking.

just cause you didn't think of it doesn't mean its not cool

Reckless
07-24-2006, 05:30 PM
Ok so I have decided to go with an air shifter for doubler.

Who knows about pnumatics. I know I need a double acting cylinder but what type of valve do I need to control it. I was looking at one of these valves

http://www.coastpneumatics.com/products/valves/mechanicalvalves/togglevalves.php


I do dumbass, i took airbrakes, which also included 100% of the air system in a semi, aka the air shifter for the Hi/Lo rearend. I have books upon books of valves and selectors :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
07-25-2006, 07:11 PM
well I had to tear down alot of the jeep. It turns out the 231 is indeed a very **** case.

Long story short I turned 1 case into 3 pieces in half a second.

Anyone need a SYE? and I need a good truck for under $10000

agjohn02
07-25-2006, 07:25 PM
whats that goat saying now?:flipoff2:

Reckless
07-25-2006, 07:48 PM
PICS!!!!! this should be interesting, explain!

Doug Krebs
07-25-2006, 08:01 PM
well I had to tear down alot of the jeep. It turns out the 231 is indeed a very **** case.

Long story short I turned 1 case into 3 pieces in half a second.

Anyone need a SYE? and I need a good truck for under $10000

did the doubler fail? Did you have 2 231's stacked?

AggieTJ2007
07-25-2006, 08:04 PM
no i didn't have the doubler in yet, I do now though. It was the 231, something stoped turning and it tore it self apart

Doug Krebs
07-25-2006, 08:07 PM
no i didn't have the doubler in yet, I do now though. It was the 231, something stoped turning and it tore it self apart

what are you using for a 2nd tcase? D300?

So the doubler is in? Drive shafts hooked up? What are you lacking, shifters?

Reckless
07-25-2006, 08:11 PM
You have the damnedest problem with stuff not spinning and failing on the highway

AggieTJ2007
07-25-2006, 08:11 PM
well its not quite in I today I had to put both cases back together and I got the transmission modified for the flipped 231, and tomarrow I need to put the 300 in

The shifters for the 300 will be easy but I have to work on them for the 231

BMFScout
07-25-2006, 08:45 PM
Tell me why jeeps are badass again? I forget! :flipoff2:

jerryg79
07-25-2006, 08:52 PM
Tell me why jeeps are badass again? I forget! :flipoff2:

How could you forget? It wasnt that long ago that you owned one :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
07-25-2006, 09:51 PM
well, I will revoke my statement, they are badass off-road, on the highway thats another story.

Ive broken everything except for a u-joint on the highway

CheapJeep
07-26-2006, 12:11 AM
Well truth be told I don't know of very many people who've beaten the living piss out of their rig and still driven it daily like you have. So all things considered I think your Jeep's doing well.

AggieTJ2007
07-26-2006, 12:35 AM
yeah but breaking on the highway is no fun. I have no doubt it wouldn't have any problems at all if I didn't drive so damn much on the highway and at 80mph at that

colman
07-26-2006, 01:47 AM
well i have broken a u joint in fact i have thrown 3 driveshafts on the hw, 1 i never found

Seth
07-26-2006, 08:21 AM
I Just Got An Idea - With All These 'oh Yeah Well I Broke This On My Jeep" We Could Start A Thread Strictly About Jeeps Breaking! It Would Be Bigger Than Codys Box!

Fredo
07-26-2006, 09:12 AM
Well truth be told I don't know of very many people who've beaten the living piss out of their rig and still driven it daily like you have. So all things considered I think your Jeep's doing well.


I guess you've never seen my scout.

BMFScout
07-26-2006, 10:13 AM
How could you forget? It wasnt that long ago that you owned one :flipoff2:

I know!! That's why I sold it. The only time I drove it was down the street to take pics of it. I made Flem drive that POS home!! (If you ask Flem he will say I was too drunk to drive it, so he let me drive his disco.)

agjohn02
07-26-2006, 11:25 AM
I made Flem drive that POS home!! (If you ask Flem he will say I was too drunk to drive it, so he let me drive his disco.)


that explains why you bought it as well

AggieTJ2007
07-26-2006, 05:25 PM
yeah but how often do you drive the scout down the highway?

Fredo
07-26-2006, 05:32 PM
Let's see, saturday night I shot down the George Bush Tollway to the Dallas Tollroad over to the Londoner in Addision (about 20-25 miles each way) while passing people at 80+mph, then last night, I drove down hwy 75 at 80+ to meet some friends for dinner (about 15-20 miles each way). It does stuff like that every couple weeks, and as far as long trips, the drive back from Clayton was the last extended trip it made. Even though it's worn to piss, I would trust it to make it to CS and back...wouldn't be near the first time it's made that journey.

Seth
07-26-2006, 06:09 PM
scout>jeep

AggieTJ2007
07-27-2006, 01:56 AM
well since I partially agree to that, have you ever seen an exploded 231 fred? Got any ideas what caused it

tigweld
07-27-2006, 07:08 AM
I think severe looking 231 carnage is pretty common. any time any little part breaks it alway gets pushed through the case. I have seen plenty with floating chain and range selector pieces cause major looking carnage. on a side not I have never really heard of or seen the low range planetary or drum fail and destroy the case.

AggieTJ2007
07-27-2006, 12:05 PM
yeah, whatever happened it destoryed the case. Most of the internals are fine, the case just doesn't exist anymore

AggieTJ2007
07-27-2006, 06:05 PM
it runs again and just in case you are wondering driveshaft measurement are 14" and 43"

AggieTJ2007
07-28-2006, 12:28 AM
Well it cruises up and down the highway very will. I just drove it the 15 miles to work and back and it seemed great. The rear driveshaft is tiny but w/ the stock skid the CV angles are really good.

I had to order a body lift cause right now the cases are sitting against the body and I don't want to drop anything. But unfortunatly I need to take everything back apart and change some seals, yokes and seal the doubler better cause right now it leaks like a siv.

Fredo
07-28-2006, 02:18 AM
dude, I could have gotten you a 1" body lift on the cheap....real cheap...wtf?

agjohn02
07-28-2006, 02:40 AM
dude, I could have gotten you a 1" body lift on the cheap....real cheap...wtf?


yeah, but is it made in slovakia?

Fredo
07-28-2006, 03:24 AM
no, but they probably come from somewhere near there. They really aren't bad though.

AggieTJ2007
07-28-2006, 09:42 AM
dude I didn't even think about that, sorry about tha

uglyota
07-28-2006, 10:01 AM
I have for sell velly good body lift seestem. Made een slovakia and endorse by many professional athlete with no very many teeth!

AggieTJ2007
07-28-2006, 10:40 AM
ahh, well i ordered the currie one, I like the powdercoated aluminum pucks, and it was the same price as all otheres

agjohn02
07-28-2006, 12:54 PM
powdercoated aluminum pucks


wow, those really would knock some teeth out

Reckless
10-06-2006, 10:54 PM
We got his transmission and doubler in today. Creighton left for work and the jeep started to stall really bad. Come to find out he burned the speed sensor wires and it shorted, so the engine wouldnt start. I think it hurt his feelings when i had to tow him back to his house with his own truck, then i got it to work after he left. :flipoff2: :gigem:

AggieTJ2007
10-06-2006, 11:17 PM
yeah, it runs now, didn't make it to work like I wanted too but its nice to have it roll again. Now I can start working on things like shifters, driveshaft and whatever else I can think of

uglyota
10-09-2006, 06:16 PM
:gigem:

AggieTJ2007
10-09-2006, 11:57 PM
Well I drove it around most of the day and to work to day. Everything was well untill I tried to turn on the rock lights and somewhere that switch and my clutch interlock switch got some wires mixed up and turning on the rocklight activates the starter

Reckless
10-10-2006, 01:47 AM
De De Dee

sasquatch
10-10-2006, 08:48 AM
sounds similar to a problem i had. pushing the clutch pedal in honked the horn

AggieTJ2007
11-11-2006, 03:33 AM
It runs!!!!!!JUAN!!!!UNO11111111

It even does front digs, I am sure the neihbors loved the lo-lo redline digs and the hi-lo digs, but hey it runs, and it goes good

CRaSHnBuRN
11-11-2006, 03:38 AM
front burns on a D30? Sounds fun but sure makes me cringe. I still wish there was a cheap way for me to set the runner up for front digs

AggieTJ2007
11-11-2006, 03:42 AM
ahh, the 30's got cromoly stubs and special u-joints. It likes it just fine

Edit: Just don't do them on the street, right kopeki

BMFScout
11-11-2006, 04:00 AM
ahh, the 30's got cromoly stubs and special u-joints. It likes it just fine

Edit: Just don't do them on the street, right kopeki

That was some funny ****, in the trailer park no less!

TxCruzr
11-11-2006, 11:07 AM
ahh, the 30's got cromoly stubs and special u-joints. It likes it just fine

Edit: Just don't do them on the street, right kopeki

$1 says it breaks the first time out and you do that :gigem:

eight
11-11-2006, 01:14 PM
In 1 wheel drive with the wheel turned too.

I used to do the front digging offroad with the d44 and never broke it while doing so.

AggieTJ2007
04-12-2007, 09:20 PM
Just a little update, I fixed my steering issues w/ a PSC P-pump conversion, new steering box, and hydro assist.

It should be quieter and let me turn

AggieTJ2007
09-07-2007, 04:51 PM
ordered some new goodies for the jeep, it will take a while for them to get here but will be nice

Seth
09-07-2007, 05:16 PM
irving store?

AggieTJ2007
09-07-2007, 05:22 PM
thats where I live

agjohn02
10-15-2007, 04:07 PM
did you see the portal tj in the newest crawl? you should do that.

AggieTJ2007
10-15-2007, 04:13 PM
yeah, I saw that, pretty clean.

Find me the axels and I will

Reckless
10-15-2007, 06:04 PM
I may actualy have a lead on a 70's mog for 1.5K

Eckert
10-15-2007, 06:36 PM
yeah, I saw that, pretty clean.

Find me the axels and I will

i know of some volvos w/ air lockers. how much you wanna pay?

AggieTJ2007
10-15-2007, 08:45 PM
$600 for the set

DRAGOONRANCH
10-15-2007, 08:55 PM
I was gonna say free, but it's your dough :flIPOFF3:

agjohn02
10-15-2007, 09:31 PM
no mogs, too wide. volvos all the way and keep your new tires.

AggieTJ2007
10-15-2008, 08:06 PM
Ok so now that I will have a new front and rear with no gear set, what gear ratio should I go with.
I don't drive on the street much but I would like to be able to occasionally and I have the 231/ 300 doubler so there are plenty of gears in the transmission to chose from.

4.88s or 5.13s I am leaning towards 5.13s

crawl ratio 139 vs. 146
rpm at 65 2223 vs 2337

DRAGOONRANCH
10-15-2008, 11:13 PM
What size tires do you see yourself with on there? My feet per minute right now is at 28 (and would only be 19 with rocks with a 457:1 crawl :eek: ).

AggieTJ2007
10-16-2008, 06:17 AM
35s or 37s, they both put me around 45 fpm, but if I wanted to go lower Ide order a 4:1 for the 300

DRAGOONRANCH
10-16-2008, 07:16 AM
Yeah, I think you will be happier with the 5.13's. You should still have plenty of gearing left for skinny pedal assaults. :D

Shaggy
10-16-2008, 10:32 AM
5.13... it is a trail rig and you will never complain about having too low of gearing but don't plan on going very fast on the street

uglyota
10-16-2008, 10:38 AM
I'd go 4.88 and 4:1. I don't know why though. Seems like half the reason for the 231-300 is so you can maintain decent 2hi ratios and don't have to have stupid low gears in the axles

Shaggy
10-16-2008, 10:41 AM
he may say 37's now but in a few months he will be to 40's

AggieTJ2007
10-25-2008, 08:58 AM
Lets Teardown

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/IMG_1678.jpg

Hmmmm.....
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/IMG_1679.jpg

DRAGOONRANCH
10-25-2008, 09:51 AM
schweet. :D

85cj7
10-25-2008, 11:02 AM
is it going to be built-up again in time for clayton?

AggieTJ2007
10-25-2008, 11:46 AM
sure if you want to fund it, hell you fund it and I will drive it to clayton

AggieTJ2007
10-25-2008, 11:49 AM
Plans:

BMF dana 60 rear stretched to 100" WB
1st white line original axle centerline, 2nd white line new axle centerline
Triangulated 4 link using what is left of short arms

DRAGOONRANCH
10-25-2008, 12:33 PM
what white lines you talkin bout willis???

Reckless
10-25-2008, 01:27 PM
look at the frame under the rear wheel well

Sharpe
10-25-2008, 01:27 PM
I love how you have it all ass backwards. 60's go in the front, 9"s go in the rear :flipoff2:

DRAGOONRANCH
10-25-2008, 01:42 PM
'I see' said the blind man...

I was lookin for 'Paint' lines. :D

AggieTJ2007
10-25-2008, 06:23 PM
I love how you have it all ass backwards. 60's go in the front, 9"s go in the rear :flipoff2:

True in most cases but this is a special jeep that will be the resurrection of "flemmed" out parts

ok here is a picture of how it should look when it is done.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/IMG_1683.jpg

DRAGOONRANCH
10-25-2008, 11:08 PM
get the sawzall out and hurry up....

uglyota
10-27-2008, 12:25 PM
I like...nice job on the control arms! :eek:

mudtoy67
10-27-2008, 12:37 PM
Looks good. You going to back half the frame to get rid of the dip behind the original axle centerline?




Something I was just thinking...

Dang...this thing has been wheeled hard and put away wet! :laughing:

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/album79/PICT0218.sized.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/IMG_1678.jpg

AggieTJ2007
10-30-2008, 06:18 AM
got a new toy yesterday

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/IMG_1687.jpg

Reckless
10-30-2008, 08:54 AM
How many fundraisers and MOD walks are you going to have to do to get the wife to approve of this buy

uglyota
10-30-2008, 12:50 PM
very nice!

Sharpe
10-30-2008, 01:21 PM
Didnt spring for the 25whatever? It was only ~$700 more when I got mine :laughing:

tigweld
10-30-2008, 01:39 PM
350p's where it's at :flipoff2:

Eckert
10-30-2008, 01:55 PM
9"s go in the rear

:rainbow:?

uglyota
10-30-2008, 02:36 PM
I tried to convince him to get an old synchrowave 350!

BMFScout
10-30-2008, 03:18 PM
350p's where it's at :flipoff2:


off the back of a truck.:gigem:

AggieTJ2007
10-30-2008, 08:17 PM
350p's where it's at :flipoff2:

true but that is much more $$$. I worked with one for about 3 months and they do kick ass

tigweld
10-30-2008, 11:10 PM
did u use the pulse function? I'm still learning to use it, but I do like it so far

AggieTJ2007
11-01-2008, 08:19 AM
yes, and the "autoset" functions with the pulse work great. We would weld 16ga sheet metal with .045 solid wire

tigweld
11-02-2008, 10:24 AM
yup I figured it would work good with a little thicker sheetmetal I was workin with 20ga and .045 wire, I have small wire in the little welder so I just went back to it for a little while.

AggieTJ2007
12-18-2008, 09:50 PM
anyone wanna set up some dana 60 gears for me

DRAGOONRANCH
12-18-2008, 10:04 PM
I could probably weld them in place if that helps any, but I am guessing not. :D

AggieTJ2007
01-10-2009, 10:48 PM
I got some more work done and picked up material yesterday.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/IMG_1986.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/IMG_1985.jpg

DRAGOONRANCH
01-10-2009, 11:08 PM
I have an extra set of H1's and aTm rock rings when you are ready for them. ;)

Whats that going to put your wb at?

AggieTJ2007
01-11-2009, 08:58 AM
looks like it will be at 101-103

DRAGOONRANCH
01-11-2009, 09:24 AM
ought to do real good at that distance, you find somebody to help you set up your gears?

AggieTJ2007
01-11-2009, 09:30 AM
no not yet, I got a quote so I am just going to buy the tools and do them myself

bburris
01-11-2009, 01:19 PM
Get your gears set up by Jamie Peal @ Pro Muffler & Performance in Corpus.

http://www.promuffler.com/

AggieTJ2007
01-11-2009, 01:23 PM
They do good work I assume?

I am also going to need some creative exhaust work done as well

bburris
01-11-2009, 01:28 PM
Paul is a really good friend of mine that essentially built my Jeep the way it was before I took everything apart. Jamie is an awesome tech, probably the best mechanic you'll find in South Texas. Their exhaust guys are really good as well, and are used to figuring out exhaust for offroad rigs. Paul bought TexasBlake's YJ last year and has wheeled Samurai's for a long time, Jamie is a Dodge guy. He installed a 12V Cummins in his mid-80's Dodge on 40's when I was living down there and it ended up cleaner than the motor looked in the truck it came out of. Really good guys if you go there and bs with them. Tell them I referred you, I haven't talked to them much lately but they're good people.

AggieTJ2007
01-14-2009, 11:22 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/IMG_1988.jpg

mudtoy67
01-14-2009, 11:38 PM
lookin good!

Jackasic
01-15-2009, 01:18 AM
ditto!

AggieTJ2007
01-20-2009, 08:38 PM
Here are the numbers for the links,
Any opinions/ suggestions would be helpful.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/linknumbers.jpg

TMatheaus
01-20-2009, 08:40 PM
yeah, charge your computer it says low battery

redcagepatrol
01-20-2009, 09:01 PM
Here are the numbers for the links,
Any opinions/ suggestions would be helpful.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/CreightonRea/Jeep%20Build/linknumbers.jpg

you trying to copy me? lowers on top of the axle, uppers sloping down...

Can you put the uppers at the axle end in front of the axle centerline?
I'd work on getting that -6 degrees closer to 0 also. Looks good though!

I'm fixing to revisit the Patrols pretty soon

AggieTJ2007
01-20-2009, 09:18 PM
Yeah, I didn't plan on putting the uppers on top of the axle but it gives me better numbers.

As the axle droops the anti squat decreases would should keep the rear end from bouncing, vice versa as the axle crompresses

Why do you suggest moving the uppers forward of the axle centerline? and yes I can do that

DRAGOONRANCH
01-20-2009, 11:31 PM
Will pushing the uppers forward help to keep your pinion from dropping during droop?

DRAGOONRANCH
01-21-2009, 03:39 AM
What are you going to use as link ends?

Just ran across these (http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=24991) on tx4x4.

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_.75%20heim%20set%202.jpg

redcagepatrol
01-21-2009, 08:05 AM
Yeah, I didn't plan on putting the uppers on top of the axle but it gives me better numbers.

As the axle droops the anti squat decreases would should keep the rear end from bouncing, vice versa as the axle crompresses

Why do you suggest moving the uppers forward of the axle centerline? and yes I can do that

From what I remember, it keeps the roll axis closer to the middle of the truck so it's not like you are pivoting on your rear axle. Haven't looked at it in a long time, but that's what I remember. That spreadsheet has really improved since I used it - didn't have the compress option back then...

AggieTJ2007
01-21-2009, 07:55 PM
I am useing what I can from the old lift, so it will have flex-joints at one end and bushings at the other

AggieTJ2007
01-21-2009, 07:57 PM
yeah moving the uppers forward helped to keep the pinion pionted at the T-case.

Ive got it now w/
-4 understeer, low anti-squat, and the pinion stays pointed at the case, it actually rotates up when the axle droops, and down when it compresses.

Just got to make sure that I can make it clear the floor/ chassis

AggieTJ2007
01-27-2009, 10:14 PM
Looks like TJ axle bearings are the same as scout axle bearings, at least the set that I have should fit the axle