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bburris
03-20-2006, 03:32 AM
I guess I'll start a thread now. I need to get a better name going but it's late and I've been drinking.

Someone asked for the specs, so I figured I'd edit so the plans would be here at the top.

Plans are to swap in a TBI 454 and NP205 from a 1991 Chevy truck. I found an NV4500 in a '92-ish Chevy 3/4 ton truck a while back, so that will be mounted between the 454 and NP205. The D60 and 14 bolt came from the same '91 truck as the motor and transfer case. One axle is under the Jeep and waiting for disc brakes and a thorough cleaning, the other is being fitted with brackets for most of the current front suspension.

I had already stripped the Jeep of everything except the brake lines and clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder. The brakes will be removed soon, as they are not manly enough for 4-wheel disc brakes. As it sits, the Jeep has a grill, hood and tub with two seats and a roll cage. The roll cage could use some more work, but should be fine for now. At the very least it will need a seatbelt bar for my new harnesses. I have a Centech GV-16 wiring harness to make all the electrical voodoo work and the stock TBI harness is still attached to everything on the motor. Motor mounts will be fabbed up once it is rolling on the "new" axles and then the motor/transmission/transfer case will be swapped in. I have until this time to decide whether or not I will use a doubler or wait and buy a Stak 3-speed case. Not sure how it would like a big block, though.

bburris
03-20-2006, 03:37 AM
I bought an ugly pile from Robert Sharpe a while back and started stripping parts with the help of a couple friends.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC01096.sized.jpg

I had one of these sitting around that I found a while back. I sold the transfer case and cleaned the transmission up.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album617/DSC00977.sized.jpg

It will be bolted to this after I swap a 32-spline front output I got into it and put some new seals and whatnot in.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album621/DSC01090.sized.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album621/NV4500_NP205.sized.jpg

Those will both be mounted behind this behemoth.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album616/DSC01091.sized.jpg

I already had this:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album623/DSC00957.sized.jpg

and this:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album623/DSC00959.sized.jpg

sitting around, but I got something better in the deal mentioned before.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album619/DSC01089.sized.jpg

Turns out the spring pad width on a one ton Chevy is the same as what was already on the rear of my Jeep. The pinion angle is way off, but at least it can roll around easier now.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album618/14bolt.sized.jpg

bburris
03-20-2006, 03:41 AM
The Jeep had already been gutted, so I finished the job when it got put in the storage place. There is a body on a frame with two seats inside. The front axle and suspension are still there, but just barely - most of the bolts are at least loose.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00952.sized.jpg



Poor Jeep. :(

bburris
03-20-2006, 03:43 AM
To quiet the naysayers, I got some help setting the motor in the engine compartment so I could get some better measurements and make sure I had room for the radiator, electric fan and oil cooler.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album616/frontview.sized.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album616/sideview1.sized.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album616/sideview1.sized.jpg

Sharpe
03-20-2006, 09:14 AM
Ugly pile my ass that truck was pristine!

CheapJeep
03-20-2006, 09:15 AM
Looks like you're making good progress. Any other plans and could you list the specs?

Sharpe
03-20-2006, 09:18 AM
If you knew what you were looking at you wouldnt need specs. You have a long way to go grasshopper.

uglyota
03-20-2006, 09:29 AM
you forgot the fenders Brett...
gonna be ready for TCC?
:flipoff2:

CheapJeep
03-20-2006, 11:27 AM
If you knew what you were looking at you wouldnt need specs. You have a long way to go grasshopper.
I know what I'm looking at. Two Dana 60's. One's from a chevy, the other a ford, a 14FF in the rear, looks like a 205 mated to a 465, and a 350. Is that correct?

BMFScout
03-20-2006, 11:32 AM
close, how do you tell the difference between a big block and a small block? You know this one Robbie, look closer :)

uglyota
03-20-2006, 11:32 AM
almost...454
edit: oops too late

tigweld
03-20-2006, 11:57 AM
too funny!

Sharpe
03-20-2006, 01:12 PM
Its a NV4500 not a 465. 2 strikes against you in one post, you're off to a prety bad start.

eight
03-20-2006, 01:29 PM
Thats 3 dana 60s

tigweld
03-20-2006, 01:33 PM
I only see 2 60's the third axle is a hp44

agjohn02
03-20-2006, 01:35 PM
I only see 2 60's the third axle is a hp44


the second one, with the knuckles on the ground, he means.

Sharpe
03-20-2006, 04:28 PM
I should never have sold that truck to you. Damn debt!

bburris
03-20-2006, 04:33 PM
No no - it was a really good idea. My Jeep is appreciative.

jerryg79
03-20-2006, 04:34 PM
twat happened to all the parts from that mexi-burban?

tigweld
03-20-2006, 04:35 PM
the second one, with the knuckles on the ground, he means.
that looks like a early leaf spring ford hp44 to me

uglyota
03-20-2006, 04:36 PM
you're gonna link a leaf spring converted tj?

white boy you crazy!

bburris
03-20-2006, 04:36 PM
twat happened to all the parts from that mexi-burban?
ebay.

bburris
03-20-2006, 04:37 PM
you're gonna link a leaf spring converted tj?

white boy you crazy!
I'm going to do it at a much later date, and I'm going to do it the way Jeep should have done it originally.

agjohn02
03-20-2006, 06:50 PM
that looks like a early leaf spring ford hp44 to me


yeah, im agreeing. you just mis-referenced it. at least as i see it, its the second axle not the third.

bburris
03-20-2006, 06:53 PM
It is a HP D44 from a 1979 Ford. It has cast wedges and is thus completely useless to me. It is owned by Steven, but he has yet to take possession of the axle and wheels that are sitting under my work bench. Discussion closed, back to talking about my project that will take years to finish.

agjohn02
03-20-2006, 06:56 PM
close, how do you tell the difference between a big block and a small block? You know this one Robbie, look closer :)


ooh, ooh, ooh, memememememe!!!! i cant stand it any longer. its the exhaust ports, the exhaust ports! you cant see the valve cover for all the wires and crap so you gotta look at the exhaust ports!

CheapJeep
03-20-2006, 06:57 PM
ooh, ooh, ooh, memememememe!!!! i cant stand it any longer. its the exhaust ports, the exhaust ports! you cant see the valve cover for all the wires and crap so you gotta look at the exhaust ports!
Your a day late and dollar short. Sharpe and I already discussed this in the SCC earlier today.

uglyota
03-20-2006, 06:58 PM
...my project that will take years to finish.
so don't you sometimes get the urge to be able to go wheeling and not just build?

BMFScout
03-20-2006, 06:58 PM
ooh, ooh, ooh, memememememe!!!! i cant stand it any longer. its the exhaust ports, the exhaust ports! you cant see the valve cover for all the wires and crap so you gotta look at the exhaust ports!


Winnah Winnah Chicken Dinnah!! :gigem:


fag.

bburris
03-20-2006, 10:57 PM
so don't you sometimes get the urge to be able to go wheeling and not just build?

Yes, that's why I'm working on finding a job for now instead of hopping right in to grad school.

uglyota
03-20-2006, 11:11 PM
excellent decision :D

BMFScout
03-21-2006, 02:03 PM
you need this:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/boa/142380601.html

Sharpe
03-21-2006, 02:08 PM
you need this:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/boa/142380601.html
That would be a great addition to my crewcab's already 10 mpg 454.

eight
03-21-2006, 02:44 PM
But you could haul more crap to corpus faster with it.

agjohn02
03-21-2006, 05:59 PM
But you could haul more crap to corpus faster with it.


this reminds me. when i worked in south texas i used to always see lines of cars all pulling another car with the words "in tow" on the back. they were always heading south. do these people work for you?

eight
03-21-2006, 07:15 PM
They haul cars from like san antonio and austin areas down to mexico. They ride the bus up with their tow hitches, buy cars, and drive them home. They have insurance but you can't collect from it.

StevenAg03
03-21-2006, 09:57 PM
the come from further north the SA and Austin...i see them quite often pulling something like a f150 with a geo metro. :gigem:

uglyota
03-21-2006, 09:59 PM
See them in MS and LA hauling 2 japanese pickups with a minivan down I-10

jerryg79
03-21-2006, 10:00 PM
They come through CS a couple of times a year. They offered the janitor at Microage some pretty good dough for an old beater ranger.

59 is clogged with them around christmas when the labor force goes south for a month.

agjohn02
03-21-2006, 10:01 PM
i still think robert just hires em out to bring him crap to part out.

"go forth my minions and bring me junk"

Reckless
03-21-2006, 10:01 PM
I 35 is bad about em here in waco.

AggieTJ2007
03-21-2006, 10:57 PM
no, youve never seen bad in Waco. I thought it was funny when they guy at the gas station was refuling the towee, and the tower. They seem to believe that any car can pull two of itselfs

CheapJeep
03-21-2006, 11:21 PM
I saw about 5 toyota's being towed on 77 when I was going down to Port A over spring break. I was like wtf??? I guess ya'll don't lie when ya'll talk about that kind of stuff? :D

Sharpe
03-22-2006, 12:16 AM
i still think robert just hires em out to bring him crap to part out.

"go forth my minions and bring me junk"

No its actually, "vaya adelante mis acólitos y me trae trastos!"

Seriously have you guys never seen those people before? Thats one of those things thats so common I never think twice about it. I am actually probably going to try to sell that stupid volvo to them if I dont have any normal buyers. My friend that owns the junkyard down there deals with them regularly selling impounded cars and whatnot.

If yall remember my story about losing the S10 door in Houston on the way home during that trip the entire way I was thinking we look like mexicans because I was flat towing a cab and chassis dually and amanda was towing the beaten ass S10 on a dolly.

BMFScout
03-22-2006, 12:22 AM
we got a note on our mailbox from a messican that wanted to buy our toyody. he left two phone numbers and wrote cash at the bottom. I'm tired of illegals.

Sharpe
03-22-2006, 12:24 AM
You arent selling the kampground kruiser are you!?!?!?!?!

agjohn02
03-22-2006, 02:51 AM
kopecki, wolverton and i were discussing the number of cars produced in the US every year the other day. kopecki was wondering where 15 million cars went every year. here's your answer.

TexTJ209
03-22-2006, 03:00 AM
My two favorite sightings so far have been a minivan towing an F-150 towing a sedan, and an old F350 hauling a doublewide. Never seen a dually have so much weight on it that the rear bumper almost drags on the ground..

bburris
03-22-2006, 03:32 AM
I hope you all contract a horrible strain of gonorrhea.

agjohn02
03-22-2006, 01:26 PM
I hope you all contract a horrible strain of gonorrhea.


hey, stay on topic. mexicans towing cars to mexico. you gotta have some good stories from down there.

bburris
03-22-2006, 04:00 PM
Somebody cut this damn thread in half.

I think the best one I've ever seen, and my friend Blake has seen this at another time as well, was a school bus towing two vehicles with another vehicle in the back of the bus where the seats go. It looked like a ship in a bottle - there was no cut out section of the bus in the back where they could have pulled the car in, there was no handicapped ramp or anything of the sort. It was a bus with a small car inside it. If I could witness the placement of this car inside one of these busses I'm sure I would be completely awe-struck, but for now I'll just assume that all mexicans have some sort of magical power that allows them to transport cars into the backs of busses and live off tortillas, oranges and sardines for days at a time.

uglyota
03-22-2006, 04:08 PM
maybe they took it apart and reassembled it piece by piece
I still wanna build the school bus camper ugly-truck hauler

Sharpe
03-22-2006, 04:25 PM
Speaking of scool busses I saw a convoy of them headed south when I was coming home from Corpus. Each tow rig was a big bus and they were all towing short busses.

TexTJ209
03-22-2006, 04:28 PM
Speaking of scool busses I saw a convoy of them headed south when I was coming home from Corpus. Each tow rig was a big bus and they were all towing short busses.


I saw the opposite of that once. Short bus towing a long bus...pretty retarded.

BMFScout
03-22-2006, 04:38 PM
I saw a peanut stand, heard a rubber band,
I saw a needle that winked its eye.
But I think I will have seen everything
When I see an elephant fly.

uglyota
03-22-2006, 04:49 PM
maybe when I get a trailer I'll build a fairing for it that looks like a shortbus.
That would be SWEET!

bburris
03-23-2006, 02:00 AM
I found these lying around yesterday...

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album623/DSC01257.sized.jpg

AggieTJ2007
03-23-2006, 02:01 AM
red x's thats an awesome find

edit: dammit now they show up

bburris
03-23-2006, 02:22 AM
Ugly pile my ass that truck was pristine!

Sorry, but that truck - overall - was a huge pile. This was part of the exhaust. Not welded, just stuck together like this.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC01087.sized.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC01088.sized.jpg

There were also not one, not two, but three trailer harnesses snaked through the frame rails and under the dash of that truck. All of that and a few more finds made disassembling that truck a much more entertaining task.

bburris
03-23-2006, 02:41 AM
I also have this stuff sitting on the shelf waiting for a new home.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album622/DSC01012.sized.jpg

These will probably replace the stock lower arm mounts on the front axle.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album622/DSC01011.sized.jpg

I think I got this when they first started making them and had an introductory price. Too bad it's been sitting long enough for the Corpus air to give it a nice layer of surface rust.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album622/DSC01009.sized.jpg

I can get this setup on the 14 bolt now that it's bolted under the Jeep. It'll have to wait until I finish moving, though. :(
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album622/DSC01013.sized.jpg

bburris
03-23-2006, 03:04 AM
I updated the first post so it would include my plans. We'll see how long this pile takes now that I've started tracking progress.

bburris
08-14-2006, 10:33 PM
Dammit... Almost six months since the last update.

More parts collecting has been done. Waiting to move all my chit up north so I can get to work on it.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album625/DSC01364.sized.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album625/DSC01363.sized.jpg

Tire for sale.

I guess I get to figure out how to get these wheels apart the hard way.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album625/DSC01366.sized.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album625/DSC01367.sized.jpg


I plan to clean the outer wheel rings up really well and I'll paint them silver hammerite. The wheels will get a quick cleaning and a coat of black hammerite. I though about going with pink, but I think I'll steer clear of the Barbie Jeep look this time around.

bburris
08-14-2006, 10:34 PM
Nice new winch.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album624/DSC01365.sized.jpg

Sharpe
08-14-2006, 10:38 PM
If you are taking those wheels apart by hand I would like to offer up a bigass HAHAHAHA at your expense. I got 4 nuts almost off one wheel before saying **** that so I took 3 sets of tires and wheels home with me so I could use my impact. Hey if you want me to haul some stuff to CS for you, I will be returning back up there with some trailer space. That way, you dont have to drive all the way back down to CC to get it.

bburris
08-14-2006, 10:47 PM
Yes, that's why I'm working on finding a job for now instead of hopping right in to grad school.

Oh yeah... This idea went out the window. Classes start on the 28th.

bburris
08-14-2006, 10:58 PM
If you are taking those wheels apart by hand I would like to offer up a bigass HAHAHAHA at your expense. I got 4 nuts almost off one wheel before saying **** that so I took 3 sets of tires and wheels home with me so I could use my impact. Hey if you want me to haul some stuff to CS for you, I will be returning back up there with some trailer space. That way, you dont have to drive all the way back down to CC to get it.

1st point: I guess fat kid strength has some positive aspects.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album625/DSC01368.sized.jpg


2nd: I wish you could get in to my storage unit. As it stands, I'll be going down to get all the stuff out of storage and then I'll have to head back down to get the Jeep another weekend.

Sharpe
08-15-2006, 12:01 AM
Well I'll be around Corpus and Port A this weekend so if you wanna load me up with **** just give me a call and I'll just keep it at my shop till I go back to CS in a couple weeks.

AggieTJ2007
08-15-2006, 12:14 AM
I can haul some stuff back up to dallas next weekend

bburris
01-07-2008, 06:41 PM
Forgot about these pictures as well. Made sure it was still there, now I just need to make arrangements to go pick it up. Also included the obligatory flat tire picture.

bburris
07-23-2008, 09:53 PM
See Jimmy, I told you I had a picture of the flat tire. :gigem:

Need to start updating progress here. I'm going to work on getting the disc setup going on the 14b this weekend. The D30 also needs to leave its home so that might happen too. I don't know how things are going to get setup on the D60 just yet, but when have I ever planned things out the right way?

The 454 now lives in Louisiana with Andy's buddy - it wasn't doing any good in my garage so now I have a couple of options. I can pick this (http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/764506456.html) up from my buddy Blake, or I can be boring and get a newer GM motor. Everything else is still laying around, so I just need to start working and maybe it can roll around on the preferred axles soon enough.

Graystroke
07-23-2008, 10:14 PM
I can pick this (http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/764506456.html) up from my buddy Blake,

He must have fawked it up b/c 500 cube caddy's were rated at 550 ft/lbs tq Stock...not the 500 ft/ lbs he's advertising.;)

I have owned a 472 (which made 525 ft/ lbs) caddy before...it layed white smoke rubber for exactly one block when you got on it.

Sharpe
07-24-2008, 09:59 AM
Buy Blake's motor.

rockfrawg
07-24-2008, 02:08 PM
We'll see how long this pile takes now that I've started tracking progress.

:flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
07-24-2008, 10:00 PM
i vote caddy motor

agjohn02
07-25-2008, 12:51 AM
i vote light, fuel injected, and modern.

Doug Krebs
07-25-2008, 08:58 AM
i vote light, fuel injected, and modern.

2nd

BMFScout
07-25-2008, 09:33 AM
i vote light, fuel injected, and modern.

Don't forget complete and running, a "drop in" motor.

uglyota
07-25-2008, 09:44 AM
Hey you guys should become a GMGoodwrench distributor! Ramjet 502!

DRAGOONRANCH
07-25-2008, 09:56 AM
put me down for one.... :gigem:

Fredo
07-25-2008, 10:21 AM
Yeah, put me down for a ZZ572/720r, a ZL1, a LS7....ah hell, just make it one of each out of the crate motor section. :)

robertf03
07-25-2008, 10:54 AM
flathead ford!

Fredo
07-25-2008, 11:01 AM
yeah, really, if you want to go oddball, why not go for a Nailhead Buick, a GM Stovebolt 6, an Old's Rocket? OH! A Rolls Merlin V12! You wanted something big and oddball right?

agjohn02
07-25-2008, 11:05 AM
OH! A Rolls Merlin V12! You wanted something big and oddball right?

i thought about you when i took this picture, fred, and not in a gay way either.

Fredo
07-25-2008, 11:21 AM
Sweet! They look better when they aren't painted in McDonalds colors though. :)

BMFScout
07-25-2008, 11:21 AM
There is a hawt 440 Fred would let go cheap out at Scoutfourk, Brett's scared of it I think. ;)


I know I am, I've had nightmares about it.

Fredo
07-25-2008, 11:27 AM
It is a very stout runner, but I don't know about that whole letting it go cheap idea. I think I need to go do some burnouts with it this weekend while we're up there.

agjohn02
07-25-2008, 11:30 AM
i think it all needs to go in lurch

jerryg79
07-25-2008, 11:30 AM
It is a very stout runner, but I don't know about that whole letting it go cheap idea. I think I need to go do some burnouts with it this weekend while we're up there.

did you ever get it running?

Fredo
07-25-2008, 11:37 AM
Never messed with it after that day. I'm almost 100% sure that it's the Ignition control module that took a dump while we were messing with it because if you remember, we had it running, and then shut it down and then it didn't have spark after that. We're supposed to go out there tomorrow to work on stuff so I'll probably swap that out and see what it does.

robertf03
07-25-2008, 11:38 AM
20 bucks


http://www.gofastforless.com/

Fredo
07-25-2008, 01:04 PM
or Free.99 out of the BMF stockpile of spare ignition parts.

bburris
07-25-2008, 03:16 PM
Screw you guys, I'm going home.

agjohn02
07-25-2008, 06:06 PM
Sweet! They look better when they aren't painted in McDonalds colors though. :)

that one is at the Lone Star flight museum in galveston. it was donated by an air racer. im guessing that was how he had it painted in his race plane.

bburris
08-03-2008, 07:50 PM
Half-ass progress. Got the drag link off the pitman arm, track bar is gone, shocks out, coils are off the buckets and I just need to pull four bolts to get the links out - left them in to do some front axle figuring. Also, turns out the Jeep is light enough that I can pick the front end up off the axle now, that's how I made sure everything was unbolted. :)

bburris
08-03-2008, 07:55 PM
Front axle choices. Next post has picture of steering/track bar geometry. Turns out the Chevy D60 has some stuff in the way of all that, so I'm thinking I may be better off swapping the Chevy knuckles on the Ford axle, or selling both and finding a Ford HP D60 and running with that. I need to do some more measuring on the Ford D60 I have to decide whether it's wide enough to work with the 14b rear and what to do about axle shafts.

bburris
08-03-2008, 07:56 PM
Old steering and track bar locations.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Dana30HP/gay_paint.sized.jpg

Sharpe
08-03-2008, 10:55 PM
Was it Maveric of Paul that painted your draglink?

bburris
08-03-2008, 10:56 PM
Blake and Paul did it one weekend when I was in Eagle Pass.

bburris
08-03-2008, 11:30 PM
Possible coil and LCA brackets, not sure what to do about uppers.

http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/XJ--TJ-Jeep-combo-bracket-upgrade-kit_p_0-1542.html

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=599943&highlight=tj+coil+brackets

william_ace
08-04-2008, 12:24 AM
i've got an HP d60 for ya pm me if interested

bburris
08-04-2008, 07:48 PM
Here's the Rubicon Express front axle bracket kit. Not sure what to do here, I don't really think either of the choices I've found are ideal for any D60 setup...

http://www.rubiconexpress.com/Img_Products/Pn/0/2090/Photographs/0/590.jpg

Sharpe
08-04-2008, 07:56 PM
Wtf do the shock mounts bolt on top of the kingpin?

bburris
08-04-2008, 08:25 PM
Wtf do the shock mounts bolt on top of the kingpin?

Those are coil mounts smart guy.

sasquatch
08-04-2008, 09:03 PM
what is that kingpin axle you have out of? looks like 78-79 ford but is it lp

bburris
08-04-2008, 09:23 PM
It's from a 76 Ford - Just weird enough that you have to get creative with inner axle shafts to find stock length ones that will work. Not completely sure I want to use it yet but it's free for now so I may just set it up and worry about buying shafts when the time comes.

TxCruzr
08-06-2008, 07:59 PM
Also, turns out the Jeep is light enough that I can pick the front end up off the axle now, that's how I made sure everything was unbolted. :)

Well aren't you just a sthuper stud :flipoff2: Can't believe there is a chance in hell that we can all see this thing wheel again....or am I counting the chickens before they hatch :flipoff2:

bburris
08-06-2008, 08:02 PM
You're probably counting chickens, but we'll see how the next few months go. :D

Fredo
08-06-2008, 09:10 PM
I bet the next few months will be hot and there will be a lot of beer consumed. :)

bburris
08-06-2008, 10:05 PM
I worked on it tonight. The driver's seat is out and I learned that the flip-forward mechanism on the passenger seat doesn't like to work any more so the rear bolts weren't accessible. Also took the rocker guards off since I kept hitting my head on the parts that used to protect the bottom of the fenders. Tried to get the pinion nut off so I can sell the gears/locker out of the D30 but it was a no go. Used a 3/4" breaker but all I could do was make the whole damn thing roll forward, too hard to hold something against it and put pressure on the breaker without an extra hand.

Put some superlube on the passenger seat so maybe it will want to move tomorrow night.

robertf03
08-06-2008, 10:11 PM
is this that high pinion dana 30 out of a cherokee? any shafts?

bburris
08-06-2008, 10:13 PM
Yes and yes. One has kustom welded caps but if its for the YJ I guess it wouldn't matter much. I can pull those and the unit bearings if you need them.

robertf03
08-06-2008, 10:15 PM
I can't find the pieces or a vacuum diagram for that bull**** disconnect axle so it needs a 1 piece shaft

Fredo
08-06-2008, 10:52 PM
flem, a psl-920 will do the job nicely! (why the hell do I still know this **** off the top of my head?!?!)

bburris
08-06-2008, 11:24 PM
You need the special seals to convert it to a one piece shaft, but I've got the shaft you need. Just let me know when you want to pick it up.

bburris
08-08-2008, 01:08 AM
Robert and Fred came over tonight to watch me pull the axle shafts. They also helped move the D60s to a better location to sit and think about axle placement. I printed a picture of the Blue Torch D60 truss that would help get the Chevy D60 under the Jeep so we'll see how creative he can get with his computer. Also loosely kicked the idea of coilovers around, but the only way I want to run those is if they can be mounted through the hood.

tigweld
08-08-2008, 10:42 AM
Also loosely kicked the idea of coilovers around, but the only way I want to run those is if they can be mounted through the hood.

through the hood, really? just get an 18" stroke and it will for sure be stickin' through hood. roll resisance is much better with coils and if you have a real frame you can make pretty clean coil mounts much easier without having to build a complex and time consuming engine cage. plus 2.0 emulsion smooth bodies are pretty cheap, and you can alway's put a resi on it later as funds allow if you need it.

rockfrawg
08-08-2008, 11:57 AM
i dunno why but i'm always surprised when i see this thread has been updated with actual work being done... :flipoff2:

good job, git`r done!

figure out which 60 configuration you're gonna use yet?

bburris
08-08-2008, 12:47 PM
through the hood, really? just get an 18" stroke and it will for sure be stickin' through hood. roll resisance is much better with coils and if you have a real frame you can make pretty clean coil mounts much easier without having to build a complex and time consuming engine cage. plus 2.0 emulsion smooth bodies are pretty cheap, and you can alway's put a resi on it later as funds allow if you need it.

Do you mean coils as in the same coils I have now, or coilovers?

bburris
08-08-2008, 01:44 PM
Like this, sort of.

http://myweb.cableone.net/rnjacobson/done3.jpg

Doug Krebs
08-08-2008, 01:48 PM
you're stupid, thats a rubicon

agjohn02
08-08-2008, 01:51 PM
look at "project slinky blue balls" on pirate

FJAggie07
08-08-2008, 01:56 PM
you're stupid, thats a rubicon

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

bburris
08-08-2008, 02:04 PM
look at "project slinky blue balls" on pirate

For reference:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551947&

bburris
08-17-2008, 10:44 AM
through the hood, really? just get an 18" stroke and it will for sure be stickin' through hood. roll resisance is much better with coils and if you have a real frame you can make pretty clean coil mounts much easier without having to build a complex and time consuming engine cage. plus 2.0 emulsion smooth bodies are pretty cheap, and you can alway's put a resi on it later as funds allow if you need it.


Do you mean coils as in the same coils I have now, or coilovers?
Paging Ryan St. John... :D

tigweld
08-17-2008, 09:44 PM
what's wrong with the current coils, good shocks are way more important. there are tons of different tj specific coils to choose from. I would do somthing like chris durham's latest 2 tj's. regular coils and stock boxed frames can look real clean if you take your time and integrate the coil bucket into the shock mount. I would not use coils if you had invisions of mad tube all under the hood because I really don't care for tubular coil buckets, flat plate buckets can much simpler looking and lighter.

bburris
09-16-2008, 09:31 PM
Pulled the front axle out tonight and set the Chevy D60 in as well as Dana and I could manage.

bburris
09-16-2008, 09:37 PM
Also, I went to Harbor Freight to grab that pair of jack stands since those are the tallest/cheapest I could find. These (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34924) were on sale in their circular for $72.99, but the girl at the counter rang them up and the price came up as $25.99 so with my 15% off coupon I got them for $23.91... Almost told her to go ahead and ring up another set but I decided not to push my luck. :D

bburris
09-16-2008, 09:58 PM
I'm kind of thinking about pulling the body mount bolts off so the frame can come out and I'll have easier access to cutting the rest of the old suspension mounts off. I'm really anxious to get the 60 under it so for now it seems like a good idea to put together a front leaf suspension to match the unengineered rear so it can roll and that step can be finished. Once the drivetrain is in I can worry about something besides simplicity with the suspension after it runs. Looks like the weather might be turning nice so maybe I'll start working on it a little more steadily.

Also, I tried to put the HMMWV wheels on but turns out the stock knuckle is in the way. It's been a while since I looked around but I thought these fit for some reason. Guess I'll need to get new centers or knuckles because it looks like the backspacing of the wheels would be nice to have judging by the width of both axles in proportion to the width of the body.

Reckless
09-16-2008, 10:08 PM
Ive got a set of 4 stazworks recenters for sale. 60each

will trade for a set of plastic hummer centers

cant remember which ones they are one of these 2

agjohn02
09-16-2008, 10:19 PM
you can look at my build to see how i recentered. the width is just right in my mind. if you stay narrow, you'll rub the frame with the tires. i did a lot of staring and measuring before i made my decision.

bburris
09-16-2008, 11:24 PM
It was more of an observation than anything else, but I'll take a look at your wheels for reference. Even if I got it rolling on four tires it's not like it's a high priority project for now... Blake's YJ didn't rub unless he was at full lock/compression so I guess I thought it would work as they are.

Rowdy, I haven't looked at pattern choices in a while but I'll try to check out Pirate... The one on the left looks pretty good.

Reckless
09-16-2008, 11:28 PM
stazworks has some neat ones and copperhead fab can do what ever ya want. I just got these in a trade and have no use for them

bburris
09-16-2008, 11:37 PM
Good deal, I'll check those guys out.

agjohn02
09-16-2008, 11:38 PM
if you decide you want the stock bs, you can cut the stock arm off of the knuckle and run high steer with the correct arms. hubs are gonna stick out and theres no way you'll get shocks between the frame and tire in the rear.

if its a trail only jeep, spacers would be the easy way out. steel preferrably.

bburris
09-16-2008, 11:47 PM
if you decide you want the stock bs, you can cut the stock arm off of the knuckle and run high steer with the correct arms. hubs are gonna stick out and theres no way you'll get shocks between the frame and tire in the rear.
Looked at that and thought about it but I'd get some aftermarket knuckles before I did that after seeing a few broken stock ones. I'd prefer not to introduce any additional reason for these to fail eventually...


if its a trail only jeep, spacers would be the easy way out. steel preferrably.
That's not going to happen.

Seth
09-17-2008, 07:36 AM
you can look at my build to see how i recentered. the width is just right in my mind. if you stay narrow, you'll rub the frame with the tires. i did a lot of staring and measuring before i made my decision.

Speaking of your build, what's the latest?

agjohn02
09-17-2008, 02:16 PM
still plugging along. glad to have cooler weather.

tigweld
09-17-2008, 09:09 PM
high steer is fine on chevy or dodge knuckles, Id leave em stock bs. how else did you plan on doing the steering? crossover steering probably won't clear the leafs without at least high mounted draglink

bburris
09-17-2008, 10:14 PM
I'm planning to run high steer, but the wheels will rub the stock steering mount on the knuckles if I don't change something. I was also looking at the rear tonight and became a little more concerned about tires rubbing the frame without different backspacing.

Sharpe
09-18-2008, 01:31 PM
Just hack em off with a torch like Davido.

bburris
09-18-2008, 01:35 PM
Looked at that and thought about it but I'd get some aftermarket knuckles before I did that after seeing a few broken stock ones. I'd prefer not to introduce any additional reason for these to fail eventually...
...

agjohn02
09-18-2008, 07:56 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=680291

bburris
09-28-2008, 10:00 PM
Pictures of the front 60 sitting under it. Almost in position, I had things measured out then I bumped it and it almost came off a jack stand. :(

It looks like I'm back to thinking the old suspension will work. I think I can put heims on both ends of the uppers and hook them up to something like the front truss Blue Torch makes. Some coil/lower control arm mounting with involve welding to the diff this way, but I think this would probably happen with anything but leaves.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00181.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00182.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00183.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00184.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00185.jpg

bburris
09-28-2008, 10:01 PM
Side views and the pitman arm/track bar position as they sit.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00187.jpg http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00186.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00188.jpg

Reckless
09-28-2008, 10:14 PM
Ballistic fab makes some nice brackets and not to badly priced. I have the radius arm brackets and they are well designed

bburris
10-07-2008, 09:16 PM
These (http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Coil-plate-mounts-with-retainers-_p_32-1179.html) look pretty good, but I don't know how they'll work on the pass. side of this axle.

Here's what I messed with tonight. Looks like the coils can pretty much mount in the factory position so whatever mounts I go with can be welded to the D60 based on where they are on the D30 laying in the garage.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00189.jpghttp://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00190.jpg

bburris
10-07-2008, 09:20 PM
And here's Dana giving a disapproving look to the way I had the Jeep balanced on a 4x4 to get the coils in there for pictures... Turns out the Jeep is going to be kind of tall. I'll figure out some different coils eventually to get things leveled out once it's closer to rolling on its own, but that's pretty far in the back of my mind right now.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00191.jpg

bburris
10-22-2008, 08:43 PM
No real progress, just working on how to mount the coil and such on the passenger side of the D60. Still not sure, but here's the start. The piece on top of the diff is going to be cut to go up and across the corner where the factory bolt holes are for the spring plate so it can be bolted as well as welded out. From there it'll have a truss following (more or less) the contour of the diff so there will be a flat-ish surface to mount the upper link.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album542/DSC00195.jpg

BMFScout
12-30-2008, 03:22 PM
complete caddy motor for 2K.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/pts/971565575.html

J Cooper
12-30-2008, 03:29 PM
complete caddy motor for 2K.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/pts/971565575.html

i was thinking about one of those for the jeep

mudtoy67
12-30-2008, 03:41 PM
It should be freshened up a little (rings & bearings)...

Hmmm...I wouldn't necessarily call rings and bearings "freshening up".:(

bburris
01-13-2009, 03:25 PM
Sick fab. There's a fat bead in the first picture that isn't structural, we just wanted to make sure it stuck since I think that was the first attempt at welding plate to the cast diff. The silver lines (one on d-side plate, other is above outer p-side LCA mount tab) are the center lines of where the coils will need to mount. I did my best to mark/measure everything based on where it was on the stock D30 and got it all burned in.

Fredo
01-13-2009, 03:31 PM
What are you talking about? I didn't weld anything. I just stood there and drank a beer. This is your chicken to **** Brett. :)

Fredo
01-13-2009, 03:45 PM
No, it doesn't. I don't want my name documented anywhere on this project. :flipoff2:

BMFScout
01-13-2009, 04:09 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Brune

this was interesting, even has the same middle name

Fredo
01-13-2009, 04:29 PM
I hate you Frederick Brune.

(Hopefully this will be the first thing that comes up if anyone ever does a Google search for you...and for good measure, Alex Estep)

Laugh it up....I think you're forgetting that there is a cutting torch and plasma cutter sitting within 5ft of your Dana 60 that happens to be in a shop you do not have a key to. I think I'll just UPS it back to you in pieces.:gigem:

Seth
01-13-2009, 08:04 PM
Or cut all that crap off so you can put leaf perches on it!

bburris
01-24-2010, 09:36 PM
It's been a little over a year since I posted anything here so I decided I should moved the Jeep around a little bit. Replaced the bent rear shackles and and some misc hardware so the rear axle is finally bolted under it again. Got the front control arms half-assed back where they should be, but it seems that some angles have changed drastically due to the size difference between a D60 and the D30 that angles and measurements were copied from.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/brettmburris/Jeep%20-%20misc/DSC00322.jpg?t=1264386552

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/brettmburris/Jeep%20-%20misc/DSC00318.jpg?t=1264386587

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/brettmburris/Jeep%20-%20misc/DSC00321.jpg?t=1264386605

I suppose a truer 4-link with no track bar is in the future. Lower link mounts should work, but I may be replacing the piece that is currently over the diff with one of THESE (http://bluetorchfab.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=47&products_id=168) soon. Was doing some searching around on PBB today and I'm more confused than when I started. I saw a lot of different setups but it looks like the lower arms can stay where they are at the axle end but using a bracket like THIS (http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Universal-4-Link-Frame-Mount-Brackets-p-1988.html) at the frame would give triangulated uppers and negate the need for a track bar...? I was looking at THIS (http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Universal-Upper-Chassis-Mount-Link-Bracket-Un-Welded-p-668.html) as an option for uppers only but the current lower control arms are 33" long and from what I was looking at/reading on PBB people are going a bit longer (~40") with lowers and uppers are either about the length of my current lowers or longer.

bburris
01-24-2010, 09:38 PM
Couple more of the passenger side.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/brettmburris/Jeep%20-%20misc/DSC00320.jpg?t=1264387021

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/brettmburris/Jeep%20-%20misc/DSC00319.jpg?t=1264387057

bburris
08-21-2010, 09:30 AM
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Poly-Performance-Jeep-TJ-Weld-On-3-Link-Front-Kit-p-2074.html

http://www.northwestfab.com/dana60steeringarm.html

Shaggy
08-21-2010, 12:02 PM
That 3-link kit is my next project after I finish the rear.

AggieTJ2007
08-21-2010, 12:12 PM
have it shipped here so I can copy the brackets and then I will ship it you

Shaggy
08-21-2010, 12:16 PM
Ok. I'm not gonna order it until mid next month though.

AggieTJ2007
08-25-2010, 05:12 PM
Ok. I'm not gonna order it until mid next month though.

I am just kidding the brackets themselves are cheap enough to buy


Brett, you could triangulate the lowers underneath the motor/tranny and not have to worry about a track bar but you may have driveshaft issues that would require a 2 piece driveshaft

bburris
08-25-2010, 05:20 PM
I've decided on that 3-link kit. Just a matter of buying it now, which is hard to justify with wedding and honeymoon plans being made.