My attempt for more fuel economy.

[Chadnutz]

I guess I only have one 4WD now because they don't make reverse rotation 3.08s for a Dana 60 front. The truck is SO much quieter it isn't even funny. I used to not use L for anything and I towed everything in OD so now I have an extra gear. I'll report back after getting some mileage numbers.

[AggieTJ2007]

let me know how much better gassmileage you get. I am in the same situation w/ 4.10s in my truck although I just slowed down to 65 and save alot of gas

[StevenAg03]

out of curiosity, why would you put gears in the rear knowing that there is nothing to match it for the front?

[uglyota]

I think you should do a long-travel IFS swap, then you could start a D60 collection like Doug, plus it would be sweet to see someone air out a powerstroke!

[Chadnutz]

Because I dont use 4wd anymore but eventually I will. I couldnt afford an overdrive unit at $3,000 and Im not getting rid of this truck.

[Chadnutz Math]Im hoping for 20 mpg out of this and that is coming from 14-15. If I am currently spending $300 per month on fuel I should see a 25% savings or $75 per month which would pay for itself in less than a year. It will be longer before I need 4wd again.[Chadnutz Math]

[StevenAg03]

what is the highest gears that match between the 10.25 and the 60?

[Chadnutz]

Probably 3.55 (the other option for my generation), but that would only get me 2 mpg. I did this for the noise and the fuel. I really don't care about 4wd right now. One day I'll have a sissy car and then I'll go back to the 4.10s.

[robertf03]

where are you getting this 2 mpg #?

[AggieTJ2007]

I can save you some more money and give you better gas mileage. Ill find a beam front axle to swap in instead of that 60 and Ill take the 60 off your hands w/ the 4:10's

[Seth]

did you swap gears or axles? are you running mostly highway these days? i would like to see 12 as a peak someday for mine. (351) keep us posted.

[eight]

I liked the 3.55s in those trucks. Mine got better mileage and pulled better at 75 than at 70. Then my next truck with 4.10s got 2mpg better with a lift and 35s. The first was a 2wd. I doubt you'll be better off with 3.08s than 3.55s, seems the engine would be running below its powerband. The 4.10s are too low for those trucks. good luck

[Chadnutz]

I don't give a **** about the powerband because I'm making twice the power that it did stock. If it starts to smoke I downshift, which is only on steep hills north of Canyon lake and pulling the jet skis down 46 (hilly). That is only because the speed limit is 60 and thats near the bottom end of my range for that gear on hilly roads. The truck is scary fast now (top end). I don't even want to know how fast I can go...

Ahh **** it.. If I can hit 3400 RPM in one of the higher modes I'd be going 130. :eek:

[AggieTJ2007]

man them jet skis a heavy load

[fbronco86]

I am kinda with Ryan on the powerband issue. Lower RPM does not always mean better fuel milage. You could be lugging you engine causing worse fuel milage on the freeway.

[AggieTJ2007]

wow I think this is the longest Ive ever seen a chadnutz thread without it getting off-topic.

Do you have any fo sure numbers on the mileage. I know with the jeep I got better mileage when I went with lower gears.

Anyways

[Sharpe]

I got 11 mpg with 4.11s in the burban and 9.5 with 4.56's.

[Chadnutz]

man them jet skis a heavy load

Especially when you're going 60 and your RPM is 1500 up hill...

I tow .005% of my miles. My 4th gear now is EXACTLY like my 5th gear used to be and I ONLY used 5th for towing. I guarantee you I will see better fuel milage. 2600 rpm is WAY to high for cruising down the highway. At that speed I could be from 70 to 100 in about 10 seconds. If I can move 20.5k lbs (including truck) in 5th gear BEFORE the injectors why would I worry about moving 6k lbs down the road now? These trucks are geared for towing, not because they would be lugging down the road if they were geared any higher. Even if I only get 1 mpg better I'll be happy because it is 10X quieter on the highway.. Almost like a gasser now.

[william_ace]

did you swap out the rearend or regear?

[Chadnutz]

Regear. I kept the 4.10s. When I can afford a gear venders unit I'll go back to the 4.10s and double over drive will be like 4.20 gears.

No, you can't have either of my axles. :flipoff2:

[StevenAg03]

Regear. I kept the 4.10s. When I can afford a gear venders unit I'll go back to the 4.10s and double over drive will be like 4.20 gears.

No, you can't have either of my axles. :flipoff2:


something is wrong with your final calculations there. im not sure what the ratio for the gear vendors overdrive is but i assume it is less then one. therefore with 4.10 gears and two overdrives you would be less then 4.20...

[StevenAg03]

also did you correct your speedometer for the different gears? if not then your actually going faster then the speedo says....

[Chadnutz]

something is wrong with your final calculations there. im not sure what the ratio for the gear vendors overdrive is but i assume it is less then one. therefore with 4.10 gears and two overdrives you would be less then 4.20...

I wasn't factoring in the first overdrive, just giving a gearing comparison after the transmission.


also did you correct your speedometer for the different gears? if not then your actually going faster then the speedo says....

Sterling 10.25 gears have a speedo ring on them. Only tires change the indicated speed.

[Seth]

not trying to say you are wrong - just not quite getting your math to get 4.2 gears....

[Chadnutz]

Oops I thought it was his mistake.. 3.20 gears.

[robertf03]

don't you think that by the time you can afford some overdrive unit that you'll be ready for a new truck?

Should have sold the truck, now you are wasting money by paying a higher insurance rate for a 4wd.

How much driving are you doing to justify this?

[Chadnutz]

This is the last truck I'm ever going to buy. My next vehicle purchase will be a gas sipping car but I don't want a third vehicle right now. I have thought about other options and this is the one I chose. Can this not be a you should have done this you should have done that thread? I like my truck. I like driving my truck. I like rolling my windows up by hand. I like dragging chains over the bed rails. I like the way it looks. I don't want anything else therefore I'll stick with what I've got and make some improvements to it.

[eight]

So you get this mileage update yet? Still gonna have to try 3.55s to make sure they're not better. You can probably pick up a sterling with 3.55s for under $100 and sell it to some idiot on the internet for $200.

[Chadnutz]

I have 205 miles and I'm still around half a tank. I generally get 280 or so out of this tank. It will fall off faster on the bottom half. I'm going to fill up tomorrow after school. I know I'll see the best gains when I take a road trip or something, but I'm positive that mileage will be a lot better all around anyway.

[StevenAg03]

I'm going to fill up tomorrow after school.

this meaning that you go to school again or that you will fill up when the little kids get out of school? :flipoff2:

[Chadnutz]

School again.

[StevenAg03]

what for?

[Fredo]

This is the last truck I'm ever going to buy. I like my truck. I like driving my truck. I like rolling my windows up by hand. I like dragging chains over the bed rails. I like the way it looks. I don't want anything else therefore I'll stick with what I've got and make some improvements to it.

"I wish I knew how to quit you, truck!" :rainbow: :flipoff2:

[Chadnutz]

EE with emphasis in Computer Engineering aka Software Engr. and Control Systems at St. Mary's University. SwRI pays so I have to take advantage of it.

[Chadnutz]

2.25 gain in tow mode (16.75 mpg). This tank I'll try economy mode. I know I'd get better gains if all my miles were on the highway because my city mileage is essentially the same.

With fuel at $2.79/gal it will take 31k miles to recover. We all know fuel will go up. If I only knew the rate I could better calculate this. Road trips will be better. Again, the noise decrease was well worth it.

We'll see what economy mode does.

[StevenAg03]

can you explain economy mode vs tow mode?

[Graystroke]

a button on the dash that lights up and makes you feel better

[Chadnutz]

more advanced timing, more conservative fuel mapping, and maybe higher injection pressure

[Chadnutz]

You can hear and feel the difference, thanks.

[uglyota]

or you could park that fuel-guzzling POS and get a saturn or cavalier for the price of the gas you'll save by driving it instead and you'd still have a 4x4 truck that could tow for ****











discuss :D

[agjohn02]

or you could park that fuel-guzzling POS and get a saturn or cavalier for the price of the gas you'll save by driving it instead and you'd still have a 4x4 truck that could tow for ****
discuss :D



thats the dumbest sensible idea ive ever heard :flipoff2:

[agjohn02]

you should put a 44 in the front with 3.07's and sell the 60. thats the only way your gonna make money on this deal.

[AggieTJ2007]

ok you could just be Chadnutz and say "I did it cause it was cool"

But then again you would be Chadnutz and you would be :rainbow:

:cheers:

[Chadnutz]

Thanks for the input.

[Seth]

I was wondering how long it would take til nutz started getting **** on. Eric as far as driving a little car, what you say is true. But he would be driving a little car. that in itself sucks. I know - i tried it in the mustang. it was green and v6 and i felt like a ***** everytime i drove it. 15 mpg city and 25 highway just wasnt worth it. I think it blowing up was a sign for me.

i would guess that the chip on those things could make a pretty substantial difference in diff modes considering all the black smoke you see cummins jerkoffs makin all the time.

so nutz...take a good long highay run and lets see 20 mpg

[Doug Krebs]

remember that more expenses come with a little car that can take the economy out of it.

Registration and Inspection every year
Insurance

Really depends on how much you drive I guess. Those expenses would be less significant the more you drove. Also, tires, oil, etc... is much cheaper for a little car too.

I didn't realize fords got that crappy of mileage? My brothers dodge quadcab, 8ft bed, dually, got 13-14 pulling my blazer at 70. He usually gets around 18-20 on the hi way.

[jerryg79]

remember that more expenses come with a little car that can take the economy out of it.

Registration and Inspection every year
Insurance

Really depends on how much you drive I guess. Those expenses would be less significant the more you drove. Also, tires, oil, etc... is much cheaper for a little car too.

I didn't realize fords got that crappy of mileage? My brothers dodge quadcab, 8ft bed, dually, got 13-14 pulling my blazer at 70. He usually gets around 18-20 on the hi way.

he must drive like 65. At 80 i get about 17 and 85 is about 16, but around town I get 22ish (thats where most of my driving is done) but I also shift at 1250 and annoy the crap out of people behind me.

[uglyota]

honestly, if you buy a cheap used car for a couple grand and drive it 10 or 15,000 miles a year instead of a 15mpg truck, it'll pay off quick. Your insurance probably won't change, because you'll get a multiple vehicle discount as well as taking your expensive rig off DD duty, inspection is $15, reg $60?
tires for a little POS are $100/4 and $15/yr to change the oil...right Joseph? :D

[StevenAg03]

inspection is $15, reg


this is only true for emission exempt counties....

[BMFScout]

honestly, if you buy a cheap used car for a couple grand and drive it 10 or 15,000 miles a year instead of a 15mpg truck, it'll pay off quick. Your insurance probably won't change, because you'll get a multiple vehicle discount as well as taking your expensive rig off DD duty, inspection is $15, reg $60?
tires for a little POS are $100/4 and $15/yr to change the oil...right Joseph? :D

ditto, and I only change the oil every 5-6,000 miles. Mobil says it's good that long and I agree. It's $1500 a year in gas savings assuming 15K miles a year @ 30 mpg instead of 15 mpg @ $3 a gallon. I think keeping the miles off of the car you care about is worth more than the gas savings though. Let the import get the parking lot dings, sun damage, bird ****, "illegal immigrant" hit and runs, drunken j-turn collisions, etc...

[agjohn02]

...right Joseph? :D


:laughing:


katie's mom is a sharp cookie, no?

[Doug Krebs]

honestly, if you buy a cheap used car for a couple grand and drive it 10 or 15,000 miles a year instead of a 15mpg truck, it'll pay off quick. Your insurance probably won't change, because you'll get a multiple vehicle discount as well as taking your expensive rig off DD duty, inspection is $15, reg $60?
tires for a little POS are $100/4 and $15/yr to change the oil...right Joseph? :D

What insurance do you have?

Maybe I just have ****ty insurance (geico). For my ford one car, it used to be like $300 for 6 months, if I added the blazer it went up like $150.

[agjohn02]

i dont think my state farm full coverage on my truck is that much. the toyota is an additional $130/ 6mons.


edit: im wrong. my ins for three vehicles is about 125/month. so i think the truck is about $450/6mons.

[Chadnutz]

Obviously there are other issues at hand than only saving money. Here are the factors I weighed:

1. I already have 2 vehicles. I don't have room for a third, nor do I want to maintain 3 vehicles.

2. I like driving my truck. I used to borrow my moms car in College Station and I'd still drive my Mazda everywhere. It has good a/c, good power, good radio, I like getting up into in and I don't feel cramped, etc.

3. My truck was loud. 94 decibels at 65 in the cab. 104 db at 75. Those are hearing damage levels.

4. I HAVE to have a truck to move my Mazda and my dirtbike.

5. There is no risk involved with regearing a known good vehicle. If I buy this so called magicly cheap car most likely I am going to inherit someone else's problem. I just can't believe one can buy a reliable car with good tires and a good a/c for cheap.

6. I get 14-15 mpg in my truck.

7. The Mazda is my primary vehicle on insurance.

So now what have I figured out? I don't have time, space or money for a third vehicle. I don't like driving cars around anyway so when I buy one it's going to be a nice one, not a $1000 POS Civic. All this in mind, however, I want MY TRUCK to be quieter and more fuel efficient. I know it runs well, so I'll just regear it. Now I save a little on fuel, I have a quieter truck, yet I only have 2 vehicles to maintain and pay for. I am happy.

I never came on here to ask what the best way to save money on fuel was. I don't recall asking for anyone's opinions. I was making a statement about my approach, which of course isn't the traditional one. Thanks for your concern, however. I'm satisfied... Too bad I couldn't satisfy all of you as well. :flipoff2:

[Seth]

Nutz - I Had Your Back Til You Said Something About Satisfying Everyone...

[BMFScout]

5. There is no risk involved with regearing a known good vehicle. If I buy this so called magicly cheap car most likely I am going to inherit someone else's problem. I just can't believe one can buy a reliable car with good tires and a good a/c for cheap.



2000 Civic for $2000, not saying they are easy to find but they are out there. Ever own a honda? They are more indestructable than Chevy trucks in my experience!! I understand the not wanting to drive it, I hate it, but it sure is cheap to operate, and my inner joo prevails! :gigem:

[jerryg79]

I have to side with chadnutz on not wanting to drive a car, I've cruising sanmantha's acura for the past week and a half and not being able to see over my fellow motorists is quite annoying.

[Chadnutz]

Nutz - I Had Your Back Til You Said Something About Satisfying Everyone...

You mean you don't swing that way, baby? :flipoff2:

[Doug Krebs]

I have to side with chadnutz on not wanting to drive a car, I've cruising sanmantha's acura for the past week and a half and not being able to see over my fellow motorists is quite annoying.

I didn't know your ass was in town?

I agree with not seeing over other cars... however, the inner joo takes me over and we drive blair's car everywhere we can.

My wifes car I would have to assume is worth less than $2000. It has very good AC and tires are cheap, $50 a piece. If they were 14" rims they'd be even cheaper for tires. Gas mileage is anywhere from 32-36. I loose a little part of my manhood every time i drive the cavalier. However, I wear my yamika (sp?) with pride!

[Chadnutz]

I'm not trying to light a fire here.... This is a video of me lugging from 50 to 70 in overdrive.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Movies/Lugging

[Sharpe]

If noise was such a problem why didnt you just invest in some dynamat or similar sound deadening material?

[Chadnutz]

I can't dynamat the firewall. I didn't want to drive a diesel around at 2600 RPM. I'd rather get 16.75 mpg and be quieter with less wear than get 14.5 mpg and have some of the noise blocked by a hundred or so lbs of dynamat.

Trust me, I considered everything. The thing now is that I used to equate speed with noise. Now I pass some jack ass going less than the speed limit in the fast lane only to look down and see my speedo pegged and I'm only at 2200 RPM. It's great. :D

[BMFScout]

How well do you think it will tow set up like this, or do you not plan on towing?

[Chadnutz]

Honestly, guys....

How many times do I have to state the my 4th gear is exactly like 5th used to be and I only towed in 5th?

Old 5th ======= New 4th
Old tow gear ========= New tow gear

I'd imagine that I could swing towing the Mazda in 5th if I was going 80.

[Seth]

do you have a granny first? did you use it towing?

[Chadnutz]

If I was on level ground I would start in 2nd pulling the Mazda. Anything more was first.

I don't know why you guys get your panties in a wad about 3.08s on a stock hieght 32" tire truck pulling one vehicle with a 16 ft trailer when others pull 2 rigs on a gooseneck with 3.55s and 35s... :rolleyes:

Diesels aren't meant to run around at high RPM. That's the beauty of them.

P.S. Scott..I'm not talking trash. I'm just saying that our situations aren't that much different and we are doing just fine..

[Seth]

i was just curious - i want to run 37s on my truck or drop to a 4.10 with 35s so that i am just over 2000 at 75. I will see how it feels with 35s and 4.56s and go from there...

[uglyota]

I have progressive and I think after they did the multiple vehicle discount it added $17/mo to add the ugly truck
I am pretty sure that you can get scrood in a big way if you crash the f350 and your insurance finds out that you drive it every day and the Mazda almost never. That's fraud and maybe perjury, depending on the document you signed

[Chadnutz]

Right up there with all of the other discounts they gave me without even asking... Home theft system monitored... vehicle anti-theft systems... 25 y/o... etc.

Which old ag is it that has a 78 Bronco as his primary and a 2000 or so Super Duty (that was stolen) that he really drives? Go chomp his ass.

[uglyota]

I would if he started a thread about trying to save money daily driving a 1-ton
why do you even have the Mazda insured? Don't you trailer it?
you guys have some issues if it's that big a deal to drive a car that's the same size or smaller than everybody else's

[AggieTJ2007]

I drove the truck for 3 weeks and even w/ the top off the jeep is more economical to drive

[Chadnutz]

What part of "I don't want a ****ing third POS vehicle right now" don't you understand, and why is it such a crime to try to get better milage with what I've got even if it is a one ton? I HAVE to have the truck to enjoy my hobby. I don't HAVE to have a small car to do anything. I HAVE to have insurance on the Mazda to navigate around Clayton and I'd rather not trailer it 5 miles down the road to the den, thanks.

[agjohn02]

why didnt you just buy a fuel efficient third car instead of regearing the ford?

[uglyota]

...

[BMFScout]

P.S. Scott..I'm not talking trash. I'm just saying that our situations aren't that much different and we are doing just fine..

Hasn't Scott grenaded his tranny a couple times?

[Chadnutz]

What does that have to do with anything? :flipoff2:

[chevsu]

scott has alot more power than that PSD..........

[Chadnutz]

So what has he done to it before you make blanket statements?

How much power do I have anyway?

[chevsu]

injectors, chip. it doesn't matter, its a cummins and it's better............

the only problem i see is that its going to be differnet taking off and pulling hills. when you get to the top of a big climb you'll be in 3rd gear. is fourth gear in your tranny 1:1?

[Chadnutz]

injectors, chip. it doesn't matter, its a cummins and it's better............

nice....

Yes, 4th is 1:1. I still don't remember downshifting in Clayton and that was before injectors/chip/exhaust/modified IDM and soon to be intercooler. If he gets 350 at the wheels then I'll say it has more, but it doesn't have more just because it's a Cummins... Keep in mind I went from 9x mm^3 to 160 mm^3 injectors.

[chevsu]

i bought the 93 dodge to save diesel and milege on my 01. it gets better mpg's and i can still lay down the black smoke for you ford guys. i just don't run 60-70 mph and the truck is happy.

[chevsu]

you be fine pulling small loads but put his 32' trailer with two rigs and wind drag and your ford might hurt with not having the gears. thats up to you. what are your egt's like pulling a small trailer?

[Chadnutz]

I know I'll be fine with a 16 ft. People just can't get past the fact that I'm only doing this for a few years. I still have the 4.10s and I don't have access to a gooseneck anymore. I'm not going to be hauling any heavy loads and if I do I'll just avoid the rocky mountains because I hauled Tate's 7-8000 lb F-350 before any of my mods and I used overdrive the whole time except on TX 46 when it is slow (60 if you're lucky an no grandma's get in your way) and hilly. The only load overdrive ever struggled on was a large a/c that was 8 feet wide and 7 feet tall so it was a sail and I crossed the scale at 20,500 lbs. That was also before any mods.

I'll tell you what my EGTs are when I install the thermocouple! :eek: The guages have been in for 6 months or so and I just haven't hooked them up.

[chevsu]

go for it then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chadnutz]

It's already done. My mileage increased 2.25 on the first tank with 70% hw. It'll still take nearly two years to recover with fuel costs as they are now, so basically I'm going to break even in a little less than two years and if I have the change by then I'll get the overdrive unit and put the 4.10s back in. I don't need a new vehicle until I have kids, and who knows when that will be. I swear I'll get a noise reading today.

[agjohn02]

Keep in mind I went from 9x mm^3 to 160 mm^3 injectors.


are they actually measured in cubic millimeters?

[agjohn02]

so basically I'm going to break even in a little less than two years and if I have the change by then I'll get the overdrive unit and put the 4.10s back in.


then it'll only take ten years to break even again...

[fbronco86]

It's already done. My mileage increased 2.25 on the first tank with 70% hw. It'll still take nearly two years to recover with fuel costs as they are now, so basically I'm going to break even in a little less than two years and if I have the change by then I'll get the overdrive unit and put the 4.10s back in. I don't need a new vehicle until I have kids, and who knows when that will be. I swear I'll get a noise reading today.

My office is 51.4db :flipoff2:

[BMFScout]

I'd get a noise reading from the honda, but I can't hear the engine when I am standing next to the exhaust pipe, and it gets 30 mpg :flipoff2: (this is fun)

[Chadnutz]

fbronco: My office is 58 dB. I wonder if this Radio Shack thing is calibrated.

agjohn: I don't care about recovering after that. I'll have ten forward speeds, and 4.10s or 3.20s!

jimmy: My rig is not a real rig therefore it does not drive home therefore I need more than a honda. :flipoff2:

[uglyota]

Chadnutz: Just doing my thing. Don't you think my new gears are cool? Why don't you people realize that I know what I'm doing? Why does anybody care what I post on the board!? What's the matter with you people!!!???

[StevenAg03]

fbronco: My office is 58 dB. I wonder if this Radio Shack thing is calibrated.

agjohn: I don't care about recovering after that. I got ten forward gears, and a georgia overdrive...!

jimmy: My rig is not a real rig therefore it does not drive home therefore I need more than a honda. :flipoff2:

there...i fixed it for you...makes the thread more interesting... :gigem:

[Chadnutz]

Chadnutz: Just doing my thing. Don't you think my new gears are cool? Why don't you people realize that I know what I'm doing? Why does anybody care what I post on the board!? What's the matter with you people!!!???

Sure seems to me as though some people care a little too much. :flipoff2:

[Seth]

Eric - I Promise I Have No Issues. I Just Don't Like Small Cars. The Mustang Had Huge Long Doors (could Fix With A 4 Door), The Back Seat Was Virtually Useless For People, The Trunk Could Not Fit A Cooler In It, And I Am More Comfortable In A Truck (fullsize - Ie My Feet Do Not Extend Out In Front Of Me) If Anything I Would Pick Up A Little Ranger- Then I At Least Have The Bed. It Would Get Well Into The Twenties On The Highway Too I Bet.

[AggieTJ2007]

I DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT GAS MILEAGE, although I would like a longer range in the truck, but I could fix that w/ 100 gal of diesel in the bed

[robertf03]

i'm going to put a 2wd tailhousing on the rover tranny and swap in a rear ford 9" axle so I can run 2.70 gears. That should pay for itself in the long run.

so you have a chip, bigger injectors, and you are about to install an egt and you are trying to save a few bucks on gas?

[AggieTJ2007]

hey its chadnutz, hes dumb

[Chadnutz]

i'm going to put a 2wd tailhousing on the rover tranny and swap in a rear ford 9" axle so I can run 2.70 gears. That should pay for itself in the long run.

so you have a chip, bigger injectors, and you are about to install an egt and you are trying to save a few bucks on gas?

My fuel mileage went down by 0% after adding that stuff. I guess since I dropped $155k on a house I should run a/c on 60 degrees even though the house is bigger than an apartment. I mean, why save money when I could have lived cheaper by renting. :rolleyes:

I guess all those guys that drive corvettes should hammer down everywhere they go and burn gas like its going out of style too... Why conserve, anyway?

It's my truck. I'm saving 15% of my fuel costs. Sorry for sharing.

None of your logic makes sense. Everyone thinks I'll be lugging my truck and they don't know **** about my truck, what it can do, or what I'll ask it to do. No one knows anything about powerstrokes except that they suck, and everyone has their own opinion about what EVERYONE else should do. Keep your opinions to yourself. I didn't ask for them.

[agjohn02]

Keep your opinions to yourself. I didn't ask for them.


unless you truely are a moron, you should have known exactly how this thread would turn out. you could cure cancer and post it up and you'd still get reamed.

[agjohn02]

on the other hand, if you'd bought a fuel efficient third car...

[BMFScout]

I think we have a new mazda thread!! Woo-Hoo!!!

[Chadnutz]

I asked them to bring it back anyway.

Don't worry. I'm fixing to start another one.

[AggieTJ2007]

that mazda thread had some good tech in it

[robertf03]

My fuel mileage went down by 0% after adding that stuff. I guess since I dropped $155k on a house I should run a/c on 60 degrees even though the house is bigger than an apartment. I mean, why save money when I could have lived cheaper by renting. :rolleyes:

I guess all those guys that drive corvettes should hammer down everywhere they go and burn gas like its going out of style too... Why conserve, anyway?

It's my truck. I'm saving 15% of my fuel costs. Sorry for sharing.

None of your logic makes sense. Everyone thinks I'll be lugging my truck and they don't know **** about my truck, what it can do, or what I'll ask it to do. No one knows anything about powerstrokes except that they suck, and everyone has their own opinion about what EVERYONE else should do. Keep your opinions to yourself. I didn't ask for them.

my logic? i said nothing about wasting fuel, I'm talking about throwing good money after bad to save a few bucks at the pump.

regearing couldn't have been free, and all the chip/hotrod stuff isn't. Maybe you are saving 15%, but how much is your time worth? Think that gears you setup yourself are as reliable as the factory pattern? I'm entitled to my opinion also, and that is that you will never come out ahead doing this.

Your logic sucks if you think I am talking about people with corvettes hammering it down all the time. Not sure where that even came up, but if you can afford a corvette, you can afford 3 bucks a gallon.

Conservation? petroleum fuel will be around forever, or at least long enough for any of us to be concerned with it.

And you can keep your house as cool as you want, not really relevant to this topic either.

[Chadnutz]

You stated that I spent so much money on power upgrades that also help burn more fuel yet I want to save some... Well the power is there when I need it, just like a Corvette. I think that analogy is perfectly correct.

Ask me how much I paid for the injectors, the chip, the IDM, the guages and the exhaust... Shipping.

I had the gears installed. I didn't do them myself.

I got a quieter truck and 15% savings in fuel. I lost 4x4 that I haven't used in a while and didn't need when I used it and $800. The $800 will saved in time, as will my hearing. The 4wd will come back when I can afford an overdrive unit, and long before I need it again.

That is the end of me in this thread. Again, thanks for your input.

[agjohn02]

That is the end of me in this thread.


id bet good money against this.

you just dont get it. its like deja vu everytime you start a thread. pathetically entertaining.

[Seth]

i was amazed how long it took to go to ****. more power to ya nutz, he likes his truck quieter - i can relate - i have a buddy who had 4.10s with his powerstroke and it was 4x2 (smaller tires) it got old having to almost yell. i better be careful or i might be siding with nutz here....

[JeepPhisherman]

eh, I don't get why everyone's being an *******? He changed gears to get better gas mileage and save money (just like I bought a bike to save money, ha) and lower the noise in his cabin. If he likes it, whats the deal?

I know it's "chadnutz" and all, but atleast he isn't a douche.

[Sharpe]

"The deal" is that it obviously will take too long to break even monetarily to use that as justification. The noise excuse I can tolerate, but why go all the way down to 3.08's, as opposed to something "normal" for a 1 ton truck like 3.55's or 3.73's that you wont have to change later? The fact that it is only temporary is also retarded, he basically just flushed $800 down the ****ter in the long run, and thats alot of fuel.

[tigweld]

I lost 4x4 that I haven't used in a while and didn't need when I used it

does your truck never leave pavement. maybe the next gen. are considerably heavier, cause I would love to build a bagged 2wd ford drw, but my current truck seem like it just sinks any time its in the dirt. I use the 4x4 regularly at job sites and every one else I work with that has one does also.

[Seth]

my old man just bought his first 4x4 - he has been in construction for 30+ years and never needed 4x4. the few times he has gotten stuck, he just borrowed a backhow and pulled himself out. its all about picking your route. you want access, not a bunch of rutted up muddy paths. as for why he got a 4x4, as he put it. "ah what the heck"

as a side note, he chose 3.55 gears for his mpg. really.

[StevenAg03]

my dad also just got his first 4x4...2007 3500 Mega cab with cummins and auto...said he needed more then the expedition to tow the irrigation trailer on occasion :rolleyes: the reason for 4x4 was much like that of seth's dad..."it looks better"...the most dirt this thing will see is going to come from airborn dust from irrigation jobs

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Ok, here is my $0.02. If it was a perfect world, my stroker would have had 3.73 and 6spd in it when I bought it and an underdrive for those big loads, but it doesn't. The 4.10 / 5spd auto combo is great, but it could be so much better. With the amount of time I have at the house, I can not see any advantage in changing out the gears in it, so I will stick with what I have and decide if the next vehicle purchase will come from the factory with the 10 spd and georgia overdrive, or a 3/4 tonn cheby duramaxxer. I will be having the egt sensor installed before I get home though, I do not want to have to put a new turbo on again. I haven't done the math, but the 35's on it now ought to put me close to the 3.73 now, but not for sure (as I don't remember what came on it, 245's i think).

[fbronco86]

I want to be like chadnutz

[redcagepatrol]

My Dodge did pretty good up to CO and back earlier this month - sorry, don't have time to catch up on this thread...

I run about 1900 rpms in fifth @ 75
that's about 2400 in 4th

When I dropped down below 65mph on uphill climbs, I shifted to 4th so I don't lug the engine too much - it keeps the rpms around 2000.

[Doug Krebs]

My Dodge did pretty good up to CO and back earlier this month - sorry, don't have time to catch up on this thread...

I run about 1900 rpms in fifth @ 75
that's about 2400 in 4th

When I dropped down below 65mph on uphill climbs, I shifted to 4th so I don't lug the engine too much - it keeps the rpms around 2000.

pull both the patrol and the jeep? Know what the avg. mpg was?

[redcagepatrol]

pull both the patrol and the jeep? Know what the avg. mpg was?
yep,
I have all the receipts but haven't had time to average them all together. One tank I got 10.5, but most were around 9mpg

[davido]

Anyone seen this?

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me3.html

Also cool: http://www.biodieselwarehouse.com/

[davido]

does your truck never leave pavement. maybe the next gen. are considerably heavier, cause I would love to build a bagged 2wd ford drw, but my current truck seem like it just sinks any time its in the dirt. I use the 4x4 regularly at job sites and every one else I work with that has one does also.


Yep. I would say I use mine regularly. More than once a month.


I averaged 11 MPG and some change on our CO trip. Mine seems to drop off sharply under any kind of load. Maybe part of the auto tranny. I've gotten 19.5 MPG on a 8 hour trip to S. Padre two years ago. Whitney's Dad was driving. I never get quite that good, coulid it be my driving style? Nahh. :D

[davido]

One more: http://www.goldenfuelsystems.com/


Where would one get a lot of veggie oil?

[redcagepatrol]

I used 4wd three times in CO pulling my trailer - kind of a must have thing for my tow-rig

[Seth]

I Was Talking To A Buddy Of Mine Who Is Lookng To Buy A New Truck. He Got A New Jo That He Needs More Truck For. Anyways, He Mentioned His Boss Has A Cummins 2500 That He Put A Chip In. Said He Went From The Teens To 20s On Average For Mpg, And Got A High Of 28 On A Trip To Houston. Anyone Heard Of These Kinds Of Numbers? Is It Just Cummins? Is It Just The Brand New Ones?? I Read An Article In Diesel Power Where One Of The Guys With His Truck Heavily Modded Got 22 In A Test, Which Makes Me A Little Less Skeptical, But Still. If I Could Get That Sig Much Better Economy In A Dodge Over A Ford It Would Make Me Consider One. I Just Hope They Change That Front End.

[redcagepatrol]

I Was Talking To A Buddy Of Mine Who Is Lookng To Buy A New Truck. He Got A New Jo That He Needs More Truck For. Anyways, He Mentioned His Boss Has A Cummins 2500 That He Put A Chip In. Said He Went From The Teens To 20s On Average For Mpg, And Got A High Of 28 On A Trip To Houston. Anyone Heard Of These Kinds Of Numbers? Is It Just Cummins? Is It Just The Brand New Ones?? I Read An Article In Diesel Power Where One Of The Guys With His Truck Heavily Modded Got 22 In A Test, Which Makes Me A Little Less Skeptical, But Still. If I Could Get That Sig Much Better Economy In A Dodge Over A Ford It Would Make Me Consider One. I Just Hope They Change That Front End.
He is full of crap.
The 1st gens got the best mpg, then the 2nd gens, then the 3rd gens. I get like 17 with my 35's, I don't know anyone that get's over 20 - unless it's a 1st gen and they don't drive over 55mph

[jerryg79]

He is full of crap.
The 1st gens got the best mpg, then the 2nd gens, then the 3rd gens. I get like 17 with my 35's, I don't know anyone that get's over 20 - unless it's a 1st gen and they don't drive over 55mph

agreed

[Chadnutz]

Maybe I should have held out a little longer for that OD unit. I've got 2 roommates now. :D

[AgDieseler]

Diesels aren't meant to run around at high RPM. That's the beauty of them.
Maybe your diesel doesn't like 'em. I like communting in the 2400+ range. That's when the engine really starts to sing.

[agjohn02]

That is the end of me in this thread.


i wish somebody would've bet against me

[Chadnutz]

I just decided that I don't need to make my case to anyone. I like the lower RPM for a quieter ride and better mileage. That's all that matters. Make sure you put money on it next time.

[fbronco86]

I just decided that I don't need to make my case to anyone. I like the lower RPM for a quieter ride and better mileage. That's all that matters. Make sure you put money on it next time.

Cry me a river :flipoff2:

[davido]

He is full of crap.
The 1st gens got the best mpg, then the 2nd gens, then the 3rd gens. I get like 17 with my 35's, I don't know anyone that get's over 20 - unless it's a 1st gen and they don't drive over 55mph

Yep. My Dad has had one of each and said that the mileage has gone down with each. His first was a 3/4 ton, reg cab, long bed, 4x4. I think he said he got up to mid 20s highway. He drives like an old man. I think I posted there here on the board, but my truck gets ~3+ MPG just with someone else driving. :D

[Sharpe]

..

[Chadnutz]

Only because I can admit when I'm wrong...

I should have done this before hand because the option was there...

1. I'm out $700 for the gear swap.

2. I am going to buy my coworkers 1991 Red Beretta that gets 32 mpg. It was well kept (garage), doesn't leak anything, has a/c, but was in a slight wreck where the front of the hood is a little bent, the bumper was bent, and a few lights need to be replaced. Also needs tires. Price for car: $300.

3. I got stuck in a ****ing mud puddle in a dirt parking lot yesterday. I had some momentum and I thought I was out of the mud so I stopped...in a spot worse than the original one. I smoked the **** out of my clutch because I was too cheap to replace the clutch's master cylinder with the newly redesigned one along with the slace cylinder I replaced so on one shift the clutch stayed on the floor unbeknownst to me while I floored it. I don't have the driveshaft on because I needed new u-joints in the front driveshaft, but I wasn't in a hurry because my gears don't match. Fortunately I had a strap and we were dropping my roommates truck off so he pulled me out. Now he has had an 18 hour hard on that he got to pull me out while he was on pavement in a 2wd half ton. I could have done that in the Mazda.. :rolleyes:

4. Now I have to pay to put the 4.10s back in, but at least I won't have to buy new tires for the Ford or fix the oil leak because I won't be driving it too often anymore.

So I was dumb. At least it's me that is out all the change.

[Jackasic]

BTW, my MB spins at 3K when running 70. It realy purs at 90, while turning 4K. I alwys though dieselsloved low revs but I guess I was wrong.

[Seth]

damn - i had a vw tht sounded best when going 65-70 but it was tough to get there - i think it was rated at 48 hp- but it finally would smooth out

i know a guy who has a little mazda that gets 38 and he drives it pretty regular so maybe the beretta will work out

[eight]

It didn't do any better on mileage? I thought you'd at least get a little.

You know if you had the front driveshaft, there'd be nothing wrong with using the 4wd when you're in the slick stuff anyway.

[BMFScout]

I like your plan except for the beretta part, hard to argue with $300, but it's not Japanese, which is very key to the high mileage junker in my experience. :gigem:

[Chadnutz]

The Beretta wouldn't be my first choice, but I know this guy is top notch on maintaining his vehicles and they are all garage kept, sythetically lubricated, etc.. :)

I saw a 10% gain, 1.5 mpg with it. My fuel expenses are around $250 per month, so maybe I was saving $25/month. I care more about how quiet it is now than before, however. I never thought hearing tire noise was such a sweet sound until I could finally hear it. I shouldn't have gone that route. Chalk it up...

Now I'll be cruising in style with a red Beretta with red wheels. $$ :flipoff2:

[BMFScout]

Not as bad as my friends indy edition yellow beretta he drove in college. That thing was a bad dood. It's still driving around College Station somewhere, it got flemed out.