Abby Containment

[BMFScout]

You can't really control a Basset Hound, only hope to contain it. I'm planning on fence building this Saturday (10/28) at the house in Wylie. If you're interested let me know. I'll provide beer/food/football/place to crash. Should be fun. Hell if nothing else you get to interact with my dad's crazy redneck neighbor, he's a trip! :gigem:

[bburris]

You dirty whore. You put it off until I had a weekend off.

I'll be out there to help, fool.

[BMFScout]

sweet!

[jerryg79]

told you i would help you but cant this weekend, must get motorcycle running so I can hurt myself before it gets too cold.

[BMFScout]

I told you the redneck neighbor was awesome! I'll post some pics of us working on it and the finished results tonight. It's a bad dood. Thanks to Burris, Flem, Fred, and Jasonian for coming by and pitching in, wouldn't have gotten that much done it two days without you. Wrought iron fencing is sweet, you get to weld and stuff, it was my kind of fencing. Now I just have to replace the petty cash it took to get it done...:(

[bburris]

Thanks for the beer and wings. I'll being Dana over some time to help Abby test out the boundaries.

[BMFScout]

Fence bee-yotch!

[BMFScout]

This is a rock I made with the leftover concrete...

[CheapJeep]

Fence looks killer, nice pad btw.... :gigem:

[BMFScout]

thanks, never thought I'd be bragging about a fence...I'm old.

[Shaggy]

that is nice

[Jackasic]

very cool, you now have a new saturday side biz. Get to work!

[bburris]

I'd work for John the Redneck Neighbor any day of the week.

[uglyota]

alright now I need some details.
Air nailer and circular saw are a must, I assume?
Did you use an auger to plant the posts?

[BMFScout]

An auger was definitely used. We planted 9' steel poles 3' in the ground. A string line and level are also a must. John the redneck neighbor got all the supplies from a fence supply place, not the cheap shat from home depot/lowes. A welder, cordless drill/driver for the cross tie brackets. Poles were placed 6 feet apart so 12' 2X4's could be used for the cross ties. If you have any other questions let me know. I was more the labor of the project, but know how it all went together.

[uglyota]

Good call on the fence supply. Put in an offer today, fencing off the next door neighbor and making the outside fence look nice will definitely be the first project

[BMFScout]

did I miss the thread about the house?

[uglyota]

cleverly hidden in the "ultimate shop" thread

[davido]

Another tip that I learned from my local fencing guy is to use landscaping timbers instead of 4x4s (if you're going wood). Cheaper and last better.

[uglyota]

good call...are the cross ties treated or cheap?

[davido]

They are treated. I think they're cheaper also. It's the ones that are flat on two sides and rounded on two sides.

http://www.sherwoodonline.com/images/products/2184.jpg

[Sharpe]

Seriously, is that the only picture of landscaping timbers you could come up with? :laughing:

[BroncoJo]

From my experience landscaping timbers do not last any longer then a treated 4x4, they actualy have more surface area to rot faster. I have built many miles of backyard fence (made alot of money) and my recomendation is pipe, that **** will last forever and make rebuilding a snap. For a normal backyard I wouldn't rent an auger but they do make it go faster.

[Seth]

$.02

Auger's effectiveness can vary considerably dependant on soil conditions. Seems like if it is soft enough to use an auger, then a set of post hole diggers is cheaper, you can keep them, learn a good skill, and get a workout out of the deal for free!

[bburris]

I don't know about you, but I don't want to dig down 3' into any type of soil with post hole diggers.

[Doug Krebs]

I don't know about you, but I don't want to dig down 3' into any type of soil with post hole diggers.

Wah!:flipoff2:

If the ground is really hard, look into one of those 6ft digging bars at harbor freight. We bought one at work to use as a pry bar and they are like $20. If you use it with a post hole digger it will make the post hole digger much more efficient.

[Reckless]

Wah!:flipoff2:

If the ground is really hard, look into one of those 6ft digging bars at harbor freight. We bought one at work to use as a pry bar and they are like $20. If you use it with a post hole digger it will make the post hole digger much more efficient.

agreed

[StevenAg03]

maybe true, but not nearly as efficient as a post hole digger attachment for a tractor... :gigem: thats what we had to use at my dads house. we tried one of those hand held ones and it wouldnt dig. got a bigger one and it barely worked.

[BMFScout]

We dug (53) 3' foot holes. **** not having an auger. If I hadn't had an auger they would have been 2' holes... I know the clay up here is not conducive to the clapper type hole diggers, the manual auger ones work better. The one's with a honda motor on top work better.

[robertf03]

I'd like to see someone build Jimmy's fence with a posthole digger. The auger was a hell of a workout.

[BMFScout]

on the poles I think it matters how long you want them to last. I think with the thickness and depth of the poles I could just replace all the cedar some day if it ever rotted out. If you don't plan on being there more than 10 years let's say, wooden poles should be great. My dad used wooden poles on the fence he built probably 15 years ago, and they probably have needed to be replaced for the past 5. They will be replaced soon with metal poles. I used cedar on everything, I could go look at what I paid for the stuff if you think it would help, but probably not being as you are in Colorado.

[Graystroke]

fawk a manual post hole digger! If you really want the schiznit rent a skid steer w/ an auger attachment. mucho $$ to rent...probably around $350 for the auger and skid steer. ...and for the ultimate overkill on a fence pour a 1'X1' (6" above ground , 6" below ground, 1' wide) footer like my Dad's neighbor.:rolleyes: He is doing it w/ a little mixer too. He has been at it for over a month (1 acre lot and probably over 400' of fence) My fence has a concrete footer (small flush to the ground one) that was probably poured in the 50's and it is still there....makes the fence dog dig proof and keeps you from having to edge it. saves the end of the fence boards from rot also b/c you don't have to have shove them on the ground to keep the dog from trying to get out.

[BMFScout]

Don't have a dumb dog, case solved. We did almost 300' of fence in 2 days. Boo-yah bee-yotch! It would be nice to have a concrete footer like I do under the wrought iron part of the fence, but that is overkill.

[Graystroke]

Don't have a dumb dog, case solved.

It's called having a set of nuts and smelling ***** in the spring.

[agjohn02]

$.02 a set of post hole diggers ... learn a good skill

:laughing:PhD:laughing:

[Doug Krebs]

We dug (53) 3' foot holes. **** not having an auger. If I hadn't had an auger they would have been 2' holes... I know the clay up here is not conducive to the clapper type hole diggers, the manual auger ones work better. The one's with a honda motor on top work better.

Oh I agree an auger would be faster and easier. It seemed from hippies description this wouldn't be a huge fence. I also share the jew with the hippy! Do 5 a day after work and it won't be so bad.

[jerryg79]

on the poles I think it matters how long you want them to last. I think with the thickness and depth of the poles I could just replace all the cedar some day if it ever rotted out. If you don't plan on being there more than 10 years let's say, wooden poles should be great. My dad used wooden poles on the fence he built probably 15 years ago, and they probably have needed to be replaced for the past 5. They will be replaced soon with metal poles. I used cedar on everything, I could go look at what I paid for the stuff if you think it would help, but probably not being as you are in Colorado.

what the hell do you do to a fence to kill a 4x4 in 10 yrs? The ones at my mom's house are 15 yrs old and show no signs of rot.

[uglyota]

x2 on "fawk post hole diggers". I learned that valuable skill when I was about 8, perfected it through high school, and have been trying to forget it ever since.

yeah I know landscape timbers are treated, I was asking if you use treated for the horizontal 2x4s that go between them.

This is a pretty huge fence, but posts are already there for 2 sides of it. Just need to augment the neighbor's chain link. It's still probably a couple hundred feet (edit: it's right at 100 ft; 17 holes)

[BroncoJo]

x2 on "fawk post hole diggers". I learned that valuable skill when I was about 8, perfected it through high school, and have been trying to forget it ever since.

yeah I know landscape timbers are treated, I was asking if you use treated for the horizontal 2x4s that go between them.

This is a pretty huge fence, but posts are already there for 2 sides of it. Just need to augment the neighbor's chain link. It's still probably a couple hundred feet

Yes use treated for everything, or cedar. An hand held auger doesn't make it super easy just faster, a water hose and post hole digger is still what I suggest. *This is coming from someone who has no idea what kind of soil you have.

[BMFScout]

what the hell do you do to a fence to kill a 4x4 in 10 yrs? The ones at my mom's house are 15 yrs old and show no signs of rot.

Are they cedar? I don't know what my dad's are. The old neighbor used to abuse them with a weedwhacker that's for sure.

[jerryg79]

Are they cedar? I don't know what my dad's are. The old neighbor used to abuse them with a weedwhacker that's for sure.

i doubt it, they are whatever the same cheapass builder who failed to put rebar in my aunt's driveway, put in. it may have something to do with the differences in soil betw houston and dallas. Most every fence I've seen in dallas has metal posts, i always wondered why since i dont know of one that i've seen in houston.

[bburris]

Wood fence posts anywhere but on the coast (Corpus, Beeville, Houston, etc) don't last as long because it's too dry is what Jimmy's fencing redneck buddy told me. The metal poles don't rust out as fast as they would in that climate, either.

[BMFScout]

John is an expert when it comes to fencing and drinking beer.

[jerryg79]

Wood fence posts anywhere but on the coast (Corpus, Beeville, Houston, etc) don't last as long because it's too dry is what Jimmy's fencing redneck buddy told me. The metal poles don't rust out as fast as they would in that climate, either.


That is a theory, yes, but then why do they use wooden fence posts in midland, where it is drier then it would ever be in dallas...

[Fredo]

because people in midland are stupid? Maybe it's so dry it doesn't get a chance to rot the wood? Maybe dallas is a mix of dry and wet and wreaks havoc on wood? Maybe this is the dumbest ****ing theoretical debate we have ever gotten into?

[Doug Krebs]

How about this, we (my dad) built the fence in our backyard in 1985 and the 4x4's are still going strong. However, the power pole up at our property has rotted twice in about 10 years. I think termites may have helped that out though. It was probably an 8-10" round pole.

[BMFScout]

Thinking about it now, it may have been 20 years ago that dad planted those poles, and he may have added on 10 years ago or so. Either way, I bet in 20 years the metal poles we sunk will still be just fine, regardless of how much water the back end of my lot holds. Up here when a new house is built they use cheap fence panels and throw up a wooden poled fence. The wind is probably what takes care of them more than the rotting. So when people replace them, I think upselling them to steel poles is pretty easy. I can't imagine the steel poles costing that much more, and it is a much sturdier fence.

[KrazyKarl02]

My old man's metal fence is starting to rust out, it is 18 years old.

[jerryg79]

My old man's metal fence is starting to rust out, it is 18 years old.

it's not cause i let the gate slam!!!!! It was zenner!

[BMFScout]

Bump!

This time at Father Brune's house in Murphy, this weekend. Same agreement as last time, lots of beer and food for those helping. John the redneck neighbor will be there, barking out orders and sharing his views on life, liberty, etc. We're starting Saturday pretty early and will go through Sunday night. Come one, come all should be an awesome time.

[FJAggie07]

Damnt! I would love to help out but I am heading down to CS for a ring dunk.

[bburris]

I already told Fred that I'm there.

BEANERS!

[BMFScout]

I'll get some pics together. This fence should be a monument to fences everywhere. Fence experts far and wide should come and document it so in the future they will know how to build fences....or something. Two days of 5 guys working, 3+ cases of beer, and we haven't even started hanging pickets yet.

[bburris]

Work? I was just there for the food...

[Fredo]

Yes, the food was indeed worth it. Between the chicken spaghetti for lunch, the enchiladas and fajitas for dinner saturday, and the hoagies for lunch sunday and brisket for dinner, it was quite the feast all weekend. Between the food and the beer, it probably doulbed or tripled the calories we burned while building fence.

[uglyota]

That sounds absolutely miserable. Bring them skillllz up here when you finish and help me rebuild mine. I'll pay for your lift ticket! :D

[Fredo]

Well, here's a few pictures from the weekend. Jimmy has some funny ones on his camera, but here are the ones showing what a brick ****house of a fence looks like.

Here we are finishing up demo and post removal of the old fence.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence.jpg

Here's a shot of how long the run is. 245ft if I remember correctly.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence1.jpg

Setting some poles after digging 48 or so fresh holes due to poles every 6ft, plus gates and such. Jimmy has some Auger pics. I never want to have to run a two person auger again.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence2.jpg

and more poles...

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence3.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence4.jpg

Here we are saturday laying out the mudboard and stringers for the pickets after attaching all the brackets and setting a couple more poles for the second gate.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence5.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence6.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence7.jpg

[Fredo]

Here's a couple shots of when I went over tonight. Apparently John, the redneck neighbor, decided to finish the 6ft section by the house while we were at work today. Looks good so far and if you walk up to it and hit it with your hand, it sounds like you're hitting the side of a log cabin. F'n solid.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence8.jpg

Here's pickets laid out for the remainder. I guess we're going to try to do them by worklights this week.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x283/fredo_92/fence/fence9.jpg

[davido]

Holy hell that's a bad ass looking fence. The bling bling $$ of wood fences.

[robertf03]

who had the misfortune of operating the widowmaker?

[Fredo]

Me, Jimmy, and Brett. It sucked ass as usual. Brett and I decided to rename it "The Silo" or "Barry Bagernath" It seemed funny at the time. Then again, we were probably a little high from breathing in the Honda 5 horse on the top of that *****.

[bburris]

I took care of the exhaust side of the auger for a while on Saturday. I think the high has finally worn off because I can feel the knot in my lower back now. Barry Badrinath took me for a ride...

That front section looks awesome, I might bring Stef out some evening this week to watch me help out and get that last piece cut out for the axle truss.

[BMFScout]

I took some fence shots, but looks like Fred has that covered. John the Redneck neighbor split his pants early on in the day so he fixed them with masking tape. I titled that piece, "The Bull**** was Stacked This High." Dad fell in love with these gloves. I tried to tell him they were Seth's as clearly marked on them, this was his response.

[FJAggie07]

That fence is badass! Muy bueno!

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Tell John he had good taste in shirts. (I happen to have the exact same one on, albeit in a size or two larger) :D

[uglyota]

wow that is one bad ass fence!

[jerryg79]

why didnt you guys buy or rent (if that's possible) an auger for the kubota? I've built a fence that way before and it only sucks when your'e the guy that has to climb on top of it for dead weight.

[bburris]

This got things done for Saturday, I think Pa Brune was convinced of the need for a 3-point auger for the rest of the fence.

[robertf03]

John the Redneck neighbor split his pants early on in the day so he fixed them with masking tape.

did you get to see his wiener?

[Seth]

Oh man, That pic of papa brewknee just made my day. Not only does he have good tastes in gloves, but also sunglasses! BDR knows what I'm talkin bout.

Maybe hes a good judge of character too?

Seriously, if I could find those gloves anywhere I would buy about 10 pairs.

[Seth]

I just noticed there is a tag on them, see if you can at least get the brand for me? If it's not obvious already, I really like those gloves and would like more.

[Fredo]

Was over at the parent's place this weekend. Here's pics of the finished product. Well, finished until it gets stained.

[robertf03]

I like the double gate to keep the meter man away, too bad it wasn't there a few years ago

[Sharpe]

Its a locke system to keep the dogs from escaping!

[Fredo]

The double gate is because Dad wants to relocate the pool filtration equipment to that area to cut down on noise by the pool when it kicks on.

[Graystroke]

Awesome fence...looks like the pefect inclosure to hide about 15 impalas!:gigem:

[RCcola55]

Its a locke system to keep the dogs from escaping!

mom needs on of those to contain Dot

[bburris]

Awesome fence...looks like the pefect inclosure to hide about 15 impalas!:gigem:

My thoughts exactly.

[Seth]

Man I forgot how big that back yard is...

[bburris]

Can one of the Brune's PM me John the Redneck Neighbor's contact info? I have a coworker that needs some fence work done and figured I'd pass John's name to him.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

You just missed a good excuse to tell your so that you had to go 'meet with the brothers Brune to get some information' while you really all went out and had a beer or 12. ;)