Mounting a bender?

[JeepPhisherman]

Finally got around to bending some chit today before the ****ty mounts I used started pulling out from the leverage on the bender. Got one side of a hoop bent and went on to the next one before I realized **** was out of wack. I went to level the bender out with some washers and saw that one mount wasnt biting into the concrete, so I took everything apart and ran into some problems.

I'm using these anchors, 3/8" which are mounted in 1/2" holes.
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Feller and I had trouble getting these things to stay on Friday when I drilled the holes, which might be a little large due to the funny bit I was using. Anyway, got the holes drilled, pouned these suckers in, tried to set them by hammering on them with a screw driver, then ran the bolts in to try and expand and set them. Everything seemed ok, fast forward to today, got all of the bolts in and tight, except for one, which started to spin in the hole some (using a ratchet). Got a bend done, went to make the second and decided to level the bender up to make it easier on me. Noticed one mount was pulled out of the concrete by about 1/4", tried to tighten it and kept spinning. Tore the bender down, tried to set it with a screw driver again, but it kept spinning. Spent about 20 min pulling the damn thing out, thinking I could just put some kind of epoxy in the hole to get the things to stay, got to the last one, and the ****ing bolt sheared.
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So, what are yall using to mount a bender? I don't want to have studs sticking up out of the ground to catch a tire, so that's why I'm using these, and so I can fill them up when I'm done so there wont be any sign of them.

Think just using some gorilla glue or some epoxy in the bottom and letting them set overnight will be good enough to hold these things?

I might mount it in the garage next time around so the bender will be level and the concrete might be a little tighter?

[Sharpe]

When I mounted my bender I got these grade 8 studs at the local hardware store back home. They were about 5" long and 1/2" in diameter had a little rod sticking out of the top. You drill hole, put them in hole, and beat the piss out of the little rod to expand them in the hole. I know you said you wanted to avoid studs but these worked really well. I have read in various places about some kind of cement epoxy you can get that is made specifically for studs. If I had known about it when I mounted mine I would have put it on there just for good measure, but I'm not gonna worry about it for now. I doubt any home-use glue or epoxy will hold.

[JeepPhisherman]

Yea, I found all sorts of stud mounts, don't want to use those.

I was thinking gorilla glue, just because I've seen the store displays with a 2x4 glued to a cmu and not budging. I'm not talking about using elmer's or anything, more along the lines of liquid nails.

[jerryg79]

was that all one piece to start?

We used something similar to that when building a shed inside our garage but it was all one piece, that was 15 years ago so I cant remember exactly what they looked liked.

[fbronco86]

Ask for a red head bolt. Thats what I used to tie machines down to the floor at my old crap job.

[JeepPhisherman]

No, you buy the sleeves and bolts seperate. They have some mounts that were inclusive like what you might be talking about, but they used studs.

I've read good stuff about Rhino glue by liquid nails, so I'm going to give it a try tomorrow. If that doesn't work, I may just use the studs and grind them off when I'm done this week, but I'm not sure how those would work any easier. Last result is to build saw horse type stand for the bender and just lightly mount that.

[JeepPhisherman]

Ask for a red head bolt. Thats what I used to tie machines down to the floor at my old crap job.

Where can I find these?

[JeepPhisherman]

Is this what you are talking about? If so, wouldn't work for me.

http://www.smithfast.com/images/rediblt200.gif

[fbronco86]

Where can I find these?

I think homedepot or lowes has them. There is a pimp ACE in bryan that might have them.

Here is a pic of a redhead that is the brand name. Buts its a wedge type stud really.

[Doug Krebs]

You don't have to have the bender level, but it does make it easier. If you get a dial level, you can put it on the die and find the angle it's at and work from that. Sorry no suggestions on anchors.

Here's a link for reference. I know harbor freight sells them.

http://vansantent.com/dial_levels.htm

[Doug Krebs]

There is a pimp ACE in bryan that might have them.


The ACE on villa maria? If so it no longer exists.

[JeepPhisherman]

I think homedepot or lowes has them. There is a pimp ACE in bryan that might have them.

Here is a pic of a redhead that is the brand name. Buts its a wedge type stud really.

Yea, don't want the stud, but will try if a glue/epoxy doesn't work.

[JeepPhisherman]

You don't have to have the bender level, but it does make it easier. If you get a dial level, you can put it on the die and find the angle it's at and work from that. Sorry no suggestions on anchors.

Here's a link for reference. I know harbor freight sells them.

http://vansantent.com/dial_levels.htm

I need to stop by HF and pick up some stuff to make bending easier on me. Tonight I was trying to guage how far out of level the bender was using a bubble level and then matching the tube to that, then I discovered the pulled anchor and I got pissy.

[Doug Krebs]

Always have the trailer hitch option. Also you could mount one in the yard on a receiver, I've seen that done on pirate. Couple bags of cement and a decent sized hole. At least the tube wouldn't hit anything.

[redcagepatrol]

I used the sleve that you put into the concrete and screw a lag bolt into. It has worked in two different locations - have to drill like four 5/8" holes in the concrete though and that sucks.

[tigweld]

I have used the ones like the first ones pictured but mine had little cones that u put in the bottom of the hole and the sleeve had a section on top for beating with a hammer that you had to crack off once it was seated.

[AggieTJ2007]

ide get the size larger things that you have, redrill the holes, use stronger bolt and epoxy the bolts in the holes with the 2 part concrete epoxy

[JeepPhisherman]

I redrilled in the garage on the level slab using the same bit after I cut off the odd-ball Bosch grooves that were causing the bit to wobble. Used some gorilla glue after a guy at HD recommended it. It's supposed to expand as it dries, so I'm hoping it will do the trick. Cures to 90% in 4 hours, so I'll find out after lunch.

Looked for a 2 part concrete epoxy at HD, but couldn't find anything I liked. Thought about drilling out large holes, scaring the slab, then mixing some new grout and placing them that way, but I got lazy.

[fbronco86]

I redrilled in the garage on the level slab using the same bit after I cut off the odd-ball Bosch grooves that were causing the bit to wobble. Used some gorilla glue after a guy at HD recommended it. It's supposed to expand as it dries, so I'm hoping it will do the trick. Cures to 90% in 4 hours, so I'll find out after lunch.

Looked for a 2 part concrete epoxy at HD, but couldn't find anything I liked. Thought about drilling out large holes, scaring the slab, then mixing some new grout and placing them that way, but I got lazy.

We used the 2 part epoxy on our machine tie downs too. Its good stuff. I would let it cure to 100% before trying to use it.

[stx4wheeler]

gorrilla glue sucks from my usage of it.

[JeepPhisherman]

Gorilla glue has held up decent, still not perfect, grade 3 bolts, however, **** em...
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I've only got 2 more bends to do once I get some more tube, so I'll keep it mounted with the 2 bolts. Whenever I get around to bumpers, this mount is going bye-bye, and I'll make a new one for my garage.

[Doug Krebs]

what kind of bender is it? JD2 or protools?

[AggieTJ2007]

jd2

[AggieTJ2007]

that dom is a little harder to bend than the HREW

[Reckless]

For one Grade 3 is your problem

[Sharpe]

Uh...why did you continue to use ****ty bolts after you broke one the first time?

[stx4wheeler]

thats what i was wondering,

[JeepPhisherman]

Uh...why did you continue to use ****ty bolts after you broke one the first time?

I wasn't thinking. I'm using G5 1" bolts to hold it while I'm working, just used that one bolt to try and anchor them a little more after I had taken the bender down last night.

[JeepPhisherman]

Not sure why they broke though, unless that is just one ****ty bolt. I wasn't even using leverage, just had my hand wrapped around the base of the ratchet. I wont be buying those from TSC anymore, that's for sure.

[agjohn02]

TSC sells grade 8, pretty cheap too.

[JeepPhisherman]

I know. I'm cheap, what can I say. If I can find some angle, I'm going to build and outrigger of sorts for the last couple of bends I've got. And you can be sure I'll be using the grade 5. If I ever get around to the bumper, they'll be grade 8's.

[JeepPhisherman]

It was like 1.18/lb for grade 3, 3.88/lb for grade 8.

[agjohn02]

how many pounds you buying?

[JeepPhisherman]

how many pounds you buying?

about 1/2

got angle for outrigger, last two bends will be completed in the morning, then im getting rid of the damn bender.

[BMFScout]

cheap?

[agjohn02]

congratulations, you saved about $1.40 by switching to weaker bolts.

[JeepPhisherman]

congratulations, you saved about $1.40 by switching to weaker bolts.

Your math skills are AMAZING!!