Toyota guys

[agjohn02]

I was looking at Marlin Crawler's website and saw a Landcruiser t-case. Both outputs are on the passenger side. Tell me more about it. What years, how strong, low gearing. etc.

TIA

[agjohn02]

and whats this about them being 3 or 4 speed?

[agjohn02]

are they twin stick compatible? gear drive or chain?

[mudtoy67]

3 or 4 speed means the tcase was behind a 3 or 4 speed trans. From what I understand, the 4 speed cases are stronger. They have some extra meat/ribs around the intermediate shaft bearing. The weak point on these tcase seems to be the case itself. I think most people say they're not good for much more than 300 or so hp, and that's if you're not a leadfoot. There are also aftermarket cases available which are supposed to be stronger, one is the Orion, and the other I think is just a "case saver" you add to your oem case.

I don't know much more off-hand...I haven't messed with a FJ tcase since I pulled the busted one out of mine in 2001.

[TxCruzr]

Like BDR said, the 3spd and 4spd just means what transmission they came behind. The 3spd is geared lower then the 4spd, can't think of what it is off hand. The 4spd case is stronger, specifically the "split case" which I believe is usually found in FJ-60s. They are gear driven.
The orion is a blingity billit case that is just like the stock toy case but with a lower gearset. The case saver that BDR mentioned is just a bracket that bolts to the top of the case to try to keep the case from cracking down the center like they are none for. You can twin stick it as in have a seperate stick for hi & low and a seperate for 2wd & 4wd but you cannot twin stick it to have front dig...not would you probably want to. I have had 2 of the front output cones crack but luckily you don't have to drop anything to replace them besides the driveshaft.

[agjohn02]

i researched it some. the 3 speed is 2.31 and the 4 speed is 1.96. no font digs sucks. how do they compare in strength to a toy truck gear driven case?

[TxCruzr]

The mini truck tcase will be stronger along with having a lot more options such as lower gear sets and upgraded in/output shafts and dual cases.

[Graystroke]

why not just get an lt230 out of a land rover....3.31 low, both outputs are pass side, if that is what you are looking for...already set up w/ driveline e brake. gear driven and has center lockable diff..can also made to be a part- time case w/ a aftermarket mini spool. this is the one thing LR made fairly well and strong..also there are gears now available to make them 4:1 and I think 5:1 low or lower is now available...high range is generally 1.22:1. There is a higher numerically high range (I think it is 1.4:1) available on some... and there is the harder to get 1.00:1..I don't think ashcroft makes these gears anymore...Google ashcroft transmissions in UK and you can find all the offerings for them.

[CRaSHnBuRN]

are they twin stick compatible? gear drive or chain?

I have a chewed up main gear from my old FJ-40s t-case that I use as pencil holder/paper weight. As its been said, I don't know if there is any real benefit to using one unless you allready had it.

[agjohn02]

offset rear output is the only cool thing about them from what ive found out. i guess they are probably light weight too huh?

[CRaSHnBuRN]

yeah, they're pretty lightweight

[redcagepatrol]

why are you looking at Toyota stuff again???

[agjohn02]

i decided the stak was too heavy

[TxCruzr]

for what? If you want to cut the total weight of the rig, do it somewhere else. Chop the body or use a lexan hood and drill some speed holes. It's not worth loosing weight at the tcase for a potentially weaker setup that will also have less options. A full bodied jeep won't be light so why try to make it. Stak does have their after market d300 case, maybe it is lighter?
Mini truck stuff will be pretty strong and light weight but since you are going to probably spend just about the same if you do lower gears or doubler and upgraded in/outputs then why not just stick with the strength of the stak and the option of doing a front dig?
A friend I wheeled with at the cruiser roundup has a tiny buggy that runs a toy fi 4cyl with 5spd manual backed by dual mini truck cases. He has busted cyo'd shafts and gears along with broke the case itself at the roundup. This is a tiny buggy that weights probably half the weight of your jeep and half the hp. Another cruiser guy runs one in his pig of a fj-40 behind a turbo'd 2f and has never broken it. Not sure what Scott's record with them is. I just don't see it being worth it if you can shove a stak or atlas in there.

[BMFScout]

I think John sucked you in...again.

[agjohn02]

for what? If you want to cut the total weight of the rig, do it somewhere else. Chop the body or use a lexan hood and drill some speed holes. It's not worth loosing weight at the tcase for a potentially weaker setup that will also have less options. A full bodied jeep won't be light so why try to make it. Stak does have their after market d300 case, maybe it is lighter?
Mini truck stuff will be pretty strong and light weight but since you are going to probably spend just about the same if you do lower gears or doubler and upgraded in/outputs then why not just stick with the strength of the stak and the option of doing a front dig?
A friend I wheeled with at the cruiser roundup has a tiny buggy that runs a toy fi 4cyl with 5spd manual backed by dual mini truck cases. He has busted cyo'd shafts and gears along with broke the case itself at the roundup. This is a tiny buggy that weights probably half the weight of your jeep and half the hp. Another cruiser guy runs one in his pig of a fj-40 behind a turbo'd 2f and has never broken it. Not sure what Scott's record with them is. I just don't see it being worth it if you can shove a stak or atlas in there.



hmm, i think you're right. a 2wd tailhousing on the 4L60E and a divorced sammi case is the way to go. Thanks!

[robertf03]

John is this for the vss issue and solve the weight problem?

http://www.ottindustries.com/divorcetoyota.htm

[agjohn02]

John is this for the vss issue and solve the weight problem?

http://www.ottindustries.com/divorcetoyota.htm


their VSS is only a 4 pulse. i need 40. looks like im going to have to order a custom made endmill to make one.


edit- ah, but the 2wd tailhousing will have a VSS. flem, you're a GENIUS!

[mudtoy67]

John is this for the vss issue and solve the weight problem?

http://www.ottindustries.com/divorcetoyota.htm


John should definately get this, then he could be just like Chadnutz! :gigem:

[robertf03]

their VSS is only a 4 pulse. i need 40. looks like im going to have to order a custom made endmill to make one.

not if you do the toyota divorced case, then you can use the stock gm one in the tailhousing ;)

[agjohn02]

what kind of t-cases do they use in rhinos and 4 wheelers? i bet they're light weight!

[robertf03]

stak

[agjohn02]

not if you do the toyota divorced case, then you can use the stock gm one in the tailhousing ;)


man, you were on top of quoting that one. i edited it so fast it didnt even say i edited it at the bottom but you still got me.

[mudtoy67]

This probably cost less than getting an end-mill ground. And would solve your park brake issue if that wasn't already solved.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6321234&postcount=137

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6329626&postcount=144

[agjohn02]

that's exactly what i was considering doing. i didnt know anyone had done it. we built sensors like that for traction control back in 02. however, since the stak has provisions for an internal VSS, im going to try to make it work before i resort to an external one. thanks for the links though.

[CRaSHnBuRN]

A friend I wheeled with at the cruiser roundup has a tiny buggy that runs a toy fi 4cyl with 5spd manual backed by dual mini truck cases. He has busted cyo'd shafts and gears along with broke the case itself at the roundup. This is a tiny buggy that weights probably half the weight of your jeep and half the hp.

if your talking about nolan, then that needs to be explained. He seems to break everything, and wheels alot. I think the guy who built the buggy wheeled it hard for a year or two and never had a problem. Toy cases do have thier weak points, but with upgraded input and rear outputs (or just the rear output), they are pretty damned strong and have alot of options. That said, I still think the stak or atlas is a much better option, if nothing else for the front dig capability which the toy case lacks at this point

[CRaSHnBuRN]

john, I just saw your post on pirate. While I didn't get a chance to read it all yet, I did see the part where you where talking about using a 22re. Unless you allready have that engine, I suggest switching to the 3rz. Its basically an the replacement for the 22re with more power and upgrade capabilities

[agjohn02]

please, its a theoretical buggy, and i only say theoretical because imaginary is taken. i had homework i was supposed to be doing...

[agjohn02]

although, with option #2, you could acheive a crawl ratio of 429:1 :gigem:

[robertf03]

http://www.engineconversions.co.uk/toyota.html

[CRaSHnBuRN]

although, with option #2, you could acheive a crawl ratio of 429:1 :gigem:

what, option 2 on pirate?

BTW, have you ever driven anything with lower than 200:1?

[agjohn02]

http://www.engineconversions.co.uk/toyota.html



you really need to cut back on the .uk sites. you'll go blind!

[agjohn02]

what, option 2 on pirate?

BTW, have you ever driven anything with lower than 200:1?


have you ever driven a 4 cylinder?

[mudtoy67]

Is this thread for real?

What are horse shoes?

Are there any horse socks?

Is anyone listening to me?

[agjohn02]

Is this thread for real?

What are horse shoes?

Are there any horse socks?

Is anyone listening to me?

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[BMFScout]

Is this thread for real?

What are horse shoes?

Are there any horse socks?

Is anyone listening to me?

I'll tell you who it was...

[Seth]

f taaaaang! - sharpe might be the only that that has any idea what i am takling about.

[Sharpe]

:laughing: :laughing:

[CRaSHnBuRN]

have you ever driven a 4 cylinder?

perhaps :flipoff2:



but really, other than the fact you could put the buggy in gear, get out and walk the obstacle, take a piss, drink a beer, and get back into the buggy before it had moved 10 feet, why would you really need much past say 250-300:1? Just because you could?

[agjohn02]

Just because you could?



as a matter of fact, i said could, not should.

[CRaSHnBuRN]

as a matter of fact, i said could, not should.

well if you decide you should, make sure to build in some way to kick the idle up a little. Its kinda funny to be sitting there trying to crawl over an obstacle, and instead of giving it gas, reaching over and turning your AC on for that little bump in RPMs and speed :D

[AggieTJ2007]

only toyota's idle up for the AC, anyways

Ed has around 330:1 crawl ratio and with that transmission and 44's i wouls day it is perfect

[agjohn02]

Ed has around 330:1 crawl ratio and with that transmission and 44's i wouls day it is perfect



better be careful to not coast down a hill with the clutch in while in low low low low

[DRAGOONRANCH]

and no front brakes mind you. ;)

[agjohn02]

and no front brakes mind you. ;)


what i meant is if you do that, clutch go boom.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

oh, gotcha....

[DRAGOONRANCH]

oh, gotcha....