The Barn Burner

[jerryg79]

edit: i ate 15 hot wings tonight, i'll probably have a "barn burner" tommorow (sp?)

still funny:gigem:

[FJAggie07]

still funny:gigem:

did you just bump yourself? :rainbow::flipoff2:

[jerryg79]

did you just bump yourself? :rainbow::flipoff2:

not yet, samantha hid the lotion!

[CheapJeep]

***, getting some shiny new paint on it right before you take it to clayton

Have to make it look good for it's debut... :D I don't plan on thrashing it too hard right after finishing it.


still funny:gigem:

Everytime I read that it makes me laugh...:laughing:

[DRAGOONRANCH]

I don't plan on thrashing it too hard right after finishing it.



Everytime I read that it makes me laugh...:laughing:

Don't wheel with Fred, Jimmy, Creighton or myself then, or your new name will be Nancy and we will have you in a dress before the night is out then. :flipoff2:

[KrazyKarl02]

your new name will be Nancy and we will have you in a dress before the night is out then. :flipoff2:

Really, you don't think that is going to happen anyways?

[DRAGOONRANCH]

I was just setting up a good defense for it is all. ;)

[CheapJeep]

Really, you don't think that is going to happen anyways?

Nope, my hair is long enough though. Creighton still has me beat.

[uglyota]

Has the messkin not been shorn since his wedding?

[Reckless]

hasnt been cut since college

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Has the messkin not been shorn since his wedding?


hasnt been cut since college


It hasn't caught fire yet evidently. ;)

[AggieTJ2007]

nope not yet, got close the other day

[uglyota]

Do you have to wear a nomex hairnet?

[CheapJeep]

Dad sent me phone pics from this morning. Said that everyone there including him were working on it, pretty cool. They're going to do the exhaust there too.

BTW-That's Bill's shop, where I worked part of the summer.

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[TMatheaus]

sweet, is it goin back to smurf blue or silver

[CheapJeep]

light blue and silver.

[CheapJeep]

Been busy studying but dad sent me another pic from this morning. Apparently he spent most of the day working at the shop with the crew. He filled me in on the exhaust, I had a different setup in mind using a single muffler and a Y-pipe straight back but we will see how it turns out...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/1119081835a.jpg

[J Cooper]

mmmm... polish that turd!!! :flipoff2:

[redcagepatrol]

way better! that thing is looking slick:gigem:

[redcagepatrol]

SSR's suck BTW - let me tell you how I know:eek:

[jerryg79]

mmmm... polish that turd!!! :flipoff2:

I read this and im thinking....what? this is way too nice for kopecki to be associated with it, oh that is a verb not a noun:gigem:

[mudtoy67]

no, turd is a noun.

:flipoff2:

[J Cooper]

no, turd is a noun.

:flipoff2:

polish as in polishing

he read is as

polish as in an eastern european

[mudtoy67]

polish as in polishing

he read is as

polish as in an eastern european

drink some coffee will ya?:D

[jerryg79]

drink some coffee will ya?:D

you are insenuating that Justin is still groggy, it being so early in the morning, in which case the caffeine in the coffee would wake him from this state and he would no longer point out the obvious.

[mudtoy67]

Your conclusion to the meaning behind my insinuation would be spot-on!

[DRAGOONRANCH]

mmmm... polish that turd!!! :flipoff2:


I read this and im thinking....what? this is way too nice for kopecki to be associated with it, oh that is a verb not a noun:gigem:


no, turd is a noun.

:flipoff2:


polish as in polishing

he read is as

polish as in an eastern european


drink some coffee will ya?:D


you are insenuating that Justin is still groggy, it being so early in the morning, in which case the caffeine in the coffee would wake him from this state and he would no longer point out the obvious.


Your conclusion to the meaning behind my insinuation would be spot-on!

Good form indeed!

[BroncoJo]

:laughing::laughing:



That ***** is lookin good robbie

[J Cooper]

damn i thought i slept off the obvious

i give up

[J Cooper]

sorry for snaking your thread robby

its a very nice looking roller skate :flipoff2:

[CheapJeep]

SSR's suck BTW - let me tell you how I know:eek:

I've had them for a few years and they do ok on rocks, not so much in mud. The side lugs have chunked really bad from Katemcy and the overall tread depth isn't very deep.

[uglyota]

they really excel on logs!

[redcagepatrol]

The last few years I've just cut a bunch - like 5 or so - all in Clayton... They work pretty well, just don't tend to last long. I'm thinking about switching to something with stronger sidewalls. It really sucks to leave a sweet trail only because you've already cut two tires...

Come to think of it, its more like 6 in the last ~3 years?

[uglyota]

didn't you cut 2 at 47 that one day?

[DRAGOONRANCH]

and were those what you were running at the katemcy kickoff in 06? I believe you cut two there also.

[J Cooper]

... and he keeps buying them :flipoff2:

[DRAGOONRANCH]

His TCFS attitude won't let him have a mismatched set. If he just realized he would ruin the rest of them in short order, it wouldn't be mismatched for long. :flipoff2:

[redcagepatrol]

didn't you cut 2 at 47 that one day?

and were those what you were running at the katemcy kickoff in 06? I believe you cut two there also.


Yes and yes... So yes, I guess I have cut a bunch. I was able to repair one (it's my spare now)

I buy thru 4wp's so they have a warrenty... Spend $100 or spend $2000...

[CheapJeep]

Forgot to mention that dad mocked up the m12000 on the front and said it was a no go. Ended up being too big to mount on the bumper so I'm looking at other options. Thinking xd9000i or m8000.

[redcagepatrol]

Forgot to mention that dad mocked up the m12000 on the front and said it was a no go. Ended up being too big to mount on the bumper so I'm looking at other options. Thinking xd9000i or m8000.
Ah - yeah.... those dudes are big - regular 8000~9000# winches are tight fits on Jeeps...

[Fredo]

I had a friend in High School that had an M12000 on his TJ. I thought it was a bit ridiculous when we built the mounting plate for it, but he did get it for free.

[FJAggie07]

I have a 9.5XP Warn and wouldn't go any other way, would be a good fit on the front of a Jeep :gigem:

[J Cooper]

i have that 12000 lb mile marker that i won up in clayton and it fits in the same winch mount that i had my 8500 ramsy on.

are the warns just that much bigger?

[Fredo]

Yeah, the body on the M12000 I believe is the same footprint as the M15000. It's a big *****.

[Sharpe]

Yeah, the body on the M12000 I believe is the same footprint as the M15000. It's a big *****.

I'm 90% sure the M12000 and M15000 are identical, just with different cable. They have the same HP and gear ratio, the 12000 has 125' of 3/8" cable and the 15000 has 100' of 1/2" cable IIRC. My 12k fits Pigpen just fine :gigem:

[tigweld]

they have different gears m12000 261:1 m15000 315:1 same motor though

[CheapJeep]

About to head home to finish it up. Couple more pics dad sent me.

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[JB]

sweet

[redcagepatrol]

sweet - you paying your dad or something:D

Looks like he's making some pretty good progress, might not let you drive it now...

[CheapJeep]

Stopped by Bill's around noon today to see how the paint was coming. Should be laying the blue down right now. They did a great job on the body work, used flat stock on the upper portion of the body line and solid round stock around the fender lip. They also finished the interior bedsides, used fiberglass to fill in certain areas around the cage. The whole interior of the tub is getting bedlined.

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[CheapJeep]

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Had planned on just buying a new tailgate since it used to look like swiss cheese, looks a ton better.
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[CheapJeep]

If you haven't caught on this is the same shop that builds the dragsters and who built the first cage as some of you may remember. So now for the things I'm skeptical about but will just have to test out.

As I mentioned earlier I had planned on a y pipe to single muffler setup kept tucked up. Well things changed. Ended up being a dual 2 3/4" to flowmaster 40's exiting under the driver and passenger floorpans. With such a tight frame rail width the exhaust had to be routed under the frame behind the front shackles. That's not an issue however as I'm pretty sure I now have the stoutest behemoth of rocksliders/boatsides/skidplate ever which covers the exhaust and stak.

The pics I'm posting are not the finished product. There are a few other plates still being added that angle upwards to cover the downtubes and help in sliding over rocks. Overall the skidplate will only hang a few inches below the frame rail, most of the whole piece is boatsides. I'm extremely happy with the work they have done as it's always top notch. I'm looking forward to testing it all out. If I run into any issues I can always go back and change it.

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[davido]

Sweet! What color is it? Gray? Silver? Glad you got rid of the blue and silver. Trying to make that look good was a losing battle. :)

[CheapJeep]

Well actually it is still blue and silver, bright blue to be exact. :D Cage, bumpers, grill hoop are silver, body gets the bright blue.

I came up with the idea of this color scheme from the chevelle. I really like the light blue and decided to paint the jeep the same. We're planning on painting the nova in a matching scheme to make our family race team look the part.

Here's a pic I snapped of the paint about to be mixed.

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[redcagepatrol]

can't wait to see it on the trail!
Might have to take a joyride up to Conroe...

[CheapJeep]

Paints finished picking it up tomorrow morning and bringing it home to finish the electrical.

[TxCruzr]

it looks ok...i guess :(


























































looks pretty damn good this time:flipoff2:

[CheapJeep]

Thanks guys. :)

Picked it up this morning and it looks awesome. There are a few spots that need to be touched up but it will get taken care of in the next couple of days when they come out to our shop to mount the skidplate and bedline the inside.

I'll post some pics tonight when I get back to CS, gotta get back to electrical.

[CheapJeep]

Made progress on the electrical. Dad was still going at it when I had to leave for CS to study.

I really like how the paint turned out. As I mentioned earlier a couple of the guys will be coming out to install the skidplate and make touchups to the paint sometime this week.

I told dad I wanted the chassis/axles painted blue as well. It came out looking great but I'm going to paint certain suspension, axle, and steering parts silver to match the cage and bumpers. The sliders/skidplate are getting painted silver as well. That will help to accent areas and break up the blue undercarriage which seems a little overwhelming on the eyes right now.

The plan is for dad to continue working on electrical and have it done by wednesday. I will get back to thrashing on it after class on tuesday. Hopefully fire it up on thursday.

Pics...

Picking it up, Bill and myself.
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At home.
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[CheapJeep]

Posing with the Barn Burner

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Electrical... Dad made the panel housing the relay and fuse boxes. He built a frame up under the dash with arms that allow the panel to swing out for access.

The man hard at work.
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Demonstrating the panel swinging out.
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[TexTJ209]

Looks badass man. :gigem:


That color is actually reeeally close to the color I decided I'm painting my gladiator. A '70s era AMC color called Big Bad Blue.

[CheapJeep]

Had to wait on remounting the fuel cell and trans tunnel cover until the inside of the tub gets bedlined. In the meantime I worked on punching the harness holes in the firewall and mounting the killswitch.

You can see one of the harness slots on the right.
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[Fredo]

Don't park this thing near the woods. The mice would have a field day with that ****!

Wiring looks good Robbie. The blue flowmasters.....not so much. :flipoff2:

[BroncoJo]

Thats alot of blue, looks kickass though:gigem:

[davido]

Ah, OK. It looks better than I thought that scheme would. Pretty cool man! That's a lot of blue!

[robertf03]

panel mount is pretty sweet, it swings out like a discovery relay panel

[CheapJeep]

Thanks guys. I have to give props to Bill, his crew, and my dad for their awesome work.

The skidplate will cover the exhaust so all you will see are the polished turndowns. I think the undercarriage will look good with the skidplate being silver as well as the parts I'm going to paint like I mentioned.

[Fredo]

Bill looks like the kind of guy you wouldn't cross. I'm betting he's said the phrase, "**** you, pay me!" before.

[85cj7]

no inner fenders? whats your thought behind that?

[bcolman]

look good, but do you have any recovery points on the front?

[robertf03]

there is talk of a winch

[RCcola55]

lets steal that idea flem

[uglyota]

Bill looks like the kind of guy you wouldn't cross. I'm betting he's said the phrase, "**** you, pay me!" before.

Bill looks like he's having a hard time keeping himself from pinning robbie down and going after him with a set of clippers :D

[CheapJeep]

Ehh, tests on monday's bring the suck...

I have a set of weld on d-ring mounts that I never got around to welding on. Might try to incorporate them into the winch mount.

No inner fenders for now, may change in the future. I will say that I won't be taking it through any mudholes, those days are over. With no top and fullwidth's **** used to go everywhere and I'm not about to trash my new dash/interior.

Might bring it out for the truck show, just have to see.

[CheapJeep]

Bill looks like the kind of guy you wouldn't cross. I'm betting he's said the phrase, "**** you, pay me!" before.


Bill looks like he's having a hard time keeping himself from pinning robbie down and going after him with a set of clippers :D

Hehe. Yes, you would not want to make him mad but he's probably the nicest person you will ever meet.

I don't think my long hair bothered him as his used to be way longer (bass player in a rock band).

[TMatheaus]

looks good, but you need more silver

[J Cooper]

:gigem::flipoff2::beer:

[CheapJeep]

:gigem::flipoff2::beer:

Nice...:laughing:


looks good, but you need more silver


I think the undercarriage will look good with the skidplate being silver as well as the parts I'm going to paint like I mentioned.

[redcagepatrol]

whos that guy with the really long shaggy hair???:flipoff2:

[jerryg79]

whos that guy with the really long shaggy hair???:flipoff2:

Guy?!? I figured that was Bill's daughter?

[Seth]

Nice, that thing is gonna be loud, I wanna hear it on a hill after you get a a little impatient a la cody last year.

[AggieTJ2007]

I look forward to seeing it actually wheel, I have worked on it but never actually seen it really wheel without destroying itself

[uglyota]

I don't think my long hair bothered him as his used to be way longer (bass player in a rock band).
I woulda put money on that dude being a stone cold hippie basher. I peed my pants a little when I saw the picture, I was so scared for you :flipoff2:

you got electric fans this time? Guess I could read the thread and find out

[CheapJeep]

I look forward to seeing it actually wheel, I have worked on it but never actually seen it really wheel without destroying itself

Me too. I only had a few successful trips in which nothing broke, I don't think you were there though.


you got electric fans this time? Guess I could read the thread and find out

I put a flexalite in its previous state of wheeling before the Texas College Weekend 07.

[CheapJeep]

Back home for the break... Going to start working on miscellaneous stuff in the morning.

If any houstonians want to drop by and hangout I will be here.

[BroncoJo]

Back home for the break... Going to start working on miscellaneous stuff in the morning.

If any houstonians want to drop by and hangout I will be here.

what part of town you from agian?

[redcagepatrol]

he's someplace between Conroe and the Woodlands - I think closer to Conroe

[jerryg79]

off 45 on 242 before 1314.

[CheapJeep]

off 45 on 242 before 1314.

Si. Just give me a shout.

[CheapJeep]

Installed all of the rocklights, reverse lights, interior lights, 12volt outlets, temporary front driving lights, and lots of other stuff. Painted some stuff silver, turned out looking really good. The harnesses and dash are completely wired up, just have to install it and run a few wires.

Some progress pics.

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[CheapJeep]

more...

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[CheapJeep]

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[DRAGOONRANCH]

Lookin real good Robbie. I can't wait to run ove....er, I mean see this thing on the trial :D

[JB]

Needs new treads to match all the shiny new stuff. With the multitude of new parts, are you going to be able to drive it on the prerun next weekend? Or is Clayton its first run?

[CheapJeep]

Lookin real good Robbie. I can't wait to run ove....er, I mean see this thing on the trial :D

Thanks.


Cool. Are you making it street legal?

Yes, it will be street legal.


Needs new treads to match all the shiny new stuff. With the multitude of new parts, are you going to be able to drive it on the prerun next weekend? Or is Clayton its first run?

Yeah, new tires would be nice but these have plenty of life left in them for now. Still uncertain on the prerun next weekend, I have some parts coming in from Jegs tomorrow. We shall see...

[CheapJeep]

more from today...

I finally got around to messing with the th350. I had cleaned the case and torque converter up before I installed it. After mounting the shifter, new Greddy dipstick, and a little fluid I found a couple of leaks. I bought a B&M shift kit from Oreilly's the other day and afterwards added a new braided flex dipstick, deep trans pan, etc to my Jegs order which arrived Sat. morning.

Trans pics....

After dropping the pan...nasty.

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New stuff.
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Installed
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[CheapJeep]

Pics of the air filter, new trans dipstick, and Electrical...

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Finished harness...
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Tested all of the wiring and components. Only had two mishaps, one being the fuel pump to battery instead of ignition and the other with the rocklights and driving lights with the painless relay. Worked out both issues and it's good to go.

[CheapJeep]

Made more progress today before heading back to CS.

Ran more wires and hooked up alot of the electrical. Dad has done an awesome job, everything looks really clean loomed and dressed. Only a few items left to connect. We did run into a couple of snags but after some trouble shooting all the electrical bugs were worked out. Added B&M trick shift atf to the trans and it's ready to rock.

Temporarily dropped the fuel cell in and added fuel. Fixed a small leak at the inline fuel filter, the back cap wasn't tightened down all the way. Also found that I had the wrong fuel pressure regulator. I accidentally grabbed a reg with 2 outlets instead of 1 outlet and 1 return (they look the same), going to swap it out so no biggie. Had a leak coming from the passenger side water pump port. Pulled it off, resealed it, and no more issues.

After all of that we had spark, fuel, and I manually turned it over to get oil flowing. Cranked it a couple times but nothing. Decided to double check tdc even though I was sure it was correct. Pulled the drivers side valve cover off, bumped it to top dead center on the number 1 cylinder. Popped the cap on the distributor and the rotor was pointed at the number 1 cylinder. Put it all back together and advanced the timing to 13 degrees. Cranked it again and came really close to running several times. After shooting a flame out the passenger side exhaust that almost set my dad ablaze, smelling enough fuel to give me a massive headache, and seeing that it was dark, we decided to call it. Getting it so close to running then having to bail sucked but I still had to pack up and head back for school.

With such a short deadline dad is planning on having Bill and the guy that builds drag car engines come out to get it going in the next couple of days. I imagine that it's something really simple but with a time crunch, being out of town, and finals I have no problem enlisting help and expertise.

[AggieTJ2007]

try the crank the motor while a second person turns the distributor untill the motor starts

[CheapJeep]

Update...

Electrical is pretty much completely finished and working, only thing left is to install the headlights and front turn signals.

As for the engine, it ran after Bill and Ricky shimmed the starter and adjusted the valves, rockers, and lifters. Ran into a problem with the harmonic balancer and flexplate not being correct which they immediately figured out. Bill ordered the correct balancer and flexplate this morning which will arrive tomorrow.

I will be going home tomorrow to work with them getting the new balancer and flexplate installed, should be fun.

[AggieTJ2007]

Sounds alot like the midnight flywheel replacement on "Da Beast" before Katemcy.
For the real affect you should wait 2 more days before fixing the problem

[DRAGOONRANCH]

And source the flex plate from one of your buddies that just so happens to be in town off his drilling rig and also just so happens to have one sitting 'out back' in the pile of cars. :D

[CheapJeep]

Hell Yeah! After a year and 4 months the Barn Burner finally rolled out of the shop under it's own power. I have to give massive thanks to my dad, Bill, Ricky, and Wierd for their knowledge, help, and hard work to get it running in such a short time. Without their help there's no way I could have had it ready to go to Clayton from the stage I had it in.

After getting it back together with the new balancer/flexplate we fired it up and set the timing. Hearing it for the first time was awesome, sound's badass... Afterward's dad worked on the last couple of electrical item's while I set the rear brakes, added more atf, etc. Pulled it out of the shop tonight and ran it for 20min. at 2,000rpm to break in the cam, went well. Found that the notion of "you get what you pay for" applies to headers as well. The black paint/coating burned off. Pretty badass to drive it again even if it was only in and out of the shop.

Going to wait on doing the bedliner until after Clayton. Tomorrow I'll start mounting the seats, fuel cell, harnesses, and other odds/ends...then take it out for a drive.

Ricky and his son in-law have a blue jeep/buggy on rockwell's and said his son in-law is supposed to be taking it to Clayton next weekend too. I'll have to keep an eye out for him.

Here's a pic, smoke is from the header paint.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage343.jpg

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Bad ass pic Robbie!

[redcagepatrol]

good pic, that came out really well. Nighttime, into the light, the shadows look sweet.

Glad to hear its running, can't wait to see it on the trail!

[CheapJeep]

Thanks.

Everything is back in and mounted except for the skidplate. I ran out of time today and there are still a couple of things left to do. Since I have finals through wednesday my dad is taking the jeep to Ricky's shop tomorrow. Replacing the old steering box (hopefully with a psc if it's possible), oil change, and other fine tuning. Should be done and ready to go wednesday.

Drove it down to the house tonight.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage347.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage348.jpg
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[CheapJeep]

They're actually just white LED lamps...

One vehicle equipped with neons in the club is enough. :flipoff2:

[colman]

looks good you need some more silver or black or something to break up the smurf blue tho

[Eckert]

no joke. you must have a got one hell of a deal on blue paint. looks good and glad its all in one piece.

[FJAggie07]

looks good you need some more siler or black or something to break up the smurf blue tho

fawk that I think it looks great. way to be a lil different.:gigem:

[J Cooper]

you know what the best part of the whole jeep is?....



see you in clayton! :gigem:

[bburris]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage357.jpg

You know Owen Wilson?


:flipoff2:

[jerryg79]

you know what the best part of the whole jeep is?....



see you in clayton! :gigem:

sweet leather cellphone holder!

[CheapJeep]

I had planned on heading home to get the jeep this evening since I had my last final this afternoon. Talked with my dad and decided it would be best to just grab it in the morning due to the weather and awful traffic. Plan is to mount the skidplate, top off fluids, grab tools, etc then head back to CS to load the rest of my stuff and pickup Travis and Tyler. Should be leaving CS around 1-2ish would be my guess.

The Barn Burner is currently drying out in the shop after being trailered back from Baytown through snow.

Dad got the first burnout, though weak it still counts...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/BarnBurner006.jpg

[KrazyKarl02]

I have to give it to your Dad for laying rubber before you did....

[mudtoy67]

sweet:gigem:

[DRAGOONRANCH]

I have to give it to your Dad for laying rubber before you did....

If he would have only embraced laying the rubber sooner....

Looks good, but I feel sorry for it this weekend already :gigem:

[CheapJeep]

Last week I picked up a new optima red top to replace the old one that went to Rodney, put the front driveshaft back together, and pulled the jeep off the trailer. With Clayton being its first shakedown run there were some issues as expected but it was still fun getting out and wheeling with the new setup.

The list of broken and malfunctioning parts included...
-Transmission (no second gear)
-Brakes (wouldn't hold in low range)
-Rear Driveshaft
-Rear t-case yoke
-Front driverside hub (lockout knob internals broke)
-Front driveshaft (made contact with the skidplate breaking the grease fitting off)
-Electric fan blades broke
-Fuel return line leaked
-Rear anti-wrap truss ripped off
-Rear springs creased
-Front driverside spring shim

[CheapJeep]

After unloading it I pulled it in the shop and started pulling some of the broken stuff off. Drove it around to check for any other problem areas. Before the trip I had noticed a small oil leak coming from the backside of the block, mostly from the passenger side. First thought was that it was just the valve cover gasket but after running it after the trip it had worsened a bit. Definitely coming from the intake manifold, only about a quart has been lost. Pulling it off and resealing it has been added to the list.

Already ordered some parts and started to tear into it.

-D70 disk brake conversion kit from DIY, should be in shortly.
-1350 CV flange and pinion brake kit from Stak.
-Rancho rs44148 rear springs
-Warn premium lockouts
-Flexalite mustang fan, picked it up and installed in Clayton. Kicks ass.
-8 AN cap for the fuel cell to block off the return line.
-Dropping the trans. and taking it to Ricky for a rebuild or possibly a whole new built unit.

After I get the trans back and flange/pinion brake kit installed I will get a new rear driveshaft made. Plenty of other stuff I'm working on. I'll post some pics when I get a chance.

[CheapJeep]

Progress from tonight. I really hadn't done anything except for pull the front hub and rear driveshaft pieces until tonight. Made some decent progress, tomorrow I'll drop the transmission then start working on other stuff. Pulling and/or installing the stak alone sucks, ended up bench pressing it down like last time. Already knew cork gaskets suck, just don't put rtv on them too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown001.jpg
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Broken shat... Both u-joints broke, front one is wedged in the cv, shot the clip out and flared the ear around the cap.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown002.jpg

[Sharpe]

1310?

[TMatheaus]

are you getting a brake booster to put on as well?

[tigweld]

would be hard to convert to power using the wilwood pedal as it uses two masters, making sure the masters are the correct bore is really what is needed

[CheapJeep]

1310?

Yeah what's left of them. I'm running a 1410 at the axle in the rear and now a 1350 flange at the t-case. Front is still 1350 at the axle and 1310 at the case.


would be hard to convert to power using the wilwood pedal as it uses two masters, making sure the masters are the correct bore is really what is needed

Very true. I looked in to finding a power booster after getting back from Clayton but have yet to come across anything that will work with the Wilwood setup. The master cylinder bores are 7/8. I'm hoping that after I go back and bench bleed them, install the rear disks, and adjust the balance bar it will be better.

[tigweld]

are the brakes goin the floor or are you pressing really hard and they just don't clamp? If they still feel really spongy and go to the floor after you blead'em real good you may need to try a larger bore in the front. I think the 3/4 bore is good on the rear. also make sure the center washer in the balance bar isn't getting jammed as this can happen if you don't have staggered bores for f\r. even if you get the masters right i don't think the pedal on willwoods set-up is long enough to create the mad pressure need to be able to stop your jeep in low range in gear

[Graystroke]

I'm betting that a 70 wheel cylinder is big. if you only have a 3/4 bore on the master and say a 3/4/ or 7/8 maybe even 1" or 1 1/8" on the rear or maybe even bigger will that make a difference? I know some people put a gm 1 ton cylinder on the back. I'm guessing you will need a bigger master to make that work. I have know idea what a gm master cyl bore is... maybe a good place to start and compare from.

also double check to make sure your shoes are not too far from the drum and you're not using up all your stroke on the MC before you even make contact w/ the drums

[CheapJeep]

Right now the pedal travels almost to the floor before locking the brakes up. The firewall is flexing when the pedal is depressed so I'm building a new plate mount for the master cylinders and pedal bracket to keep it from flexing. The steering shaft comes really close to the balance bar and prevented proper rod/plunger adjustment. I will move the whole assembly over a half inch to keep it from binding which should allow me to get it dialed in.

While bleeding the brakes I noticed the left rear was the only one with air coming out of the bleeder valve. I checked the lines for possible leaks coming from the flares but they were ok. When I rebuilt the d70 I replaced the left rear brake cylinder with a different unit close to the o.e. specs. It all worked but I'm assuming that it's the culprit, in hindsight I shouldn't have swapped it out. Really doesn't matter now since I'm doing the disk brake conversion.

I have seen the same wilwood system in rigs on pirate and in Crawl. I noticed that the pedal sweep in the pics are longer than what mine is set at. I can only speculate until I make the changes and see what the outcome is. There's always room for adjustments and it will just take some fine tuning.

[CheapJeep]

also double check to make sure your shoes are not too far from the drum and you're not using up all your stroke on the MC before you even make contact w/ the drums

Before the trip I had to pull the shafts and drums off to unstick the drum wheels. After I got it all back together I jacked up the rear axle, used a brake spoon to turn the drum wheels and spun each tire until the drums started to drag.

[CheapJeep]

Parts...

Disk brake parts, shims, and truss tabs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown042.jpg

Hubs and springs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown043.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown044.jpg

[CheapJeep]

After draining atf...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown039.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown046.jpg

Trans out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown047.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown052.jpg

Hubs installed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown051.jpg

[KrazyKarl02]

So what is the new trans going to be? Same th350? Anything special in it, what torque converter are you going with.

What are you going to do about cooling?

[Sharpe]

I think the trans was just mad at you for getting so much overspray on it.

[Graystroke]

I think the trans was just mad at you for getting so much overspray on it.

:laughing:

[CheapJeep]

So what is the new trans going to be? Same th350? Anything special in it, what torque converter are you going with.

What are you going to do about cooling?
I'm sticking with a th350 because I already have the stak adapter, shifter, deep trans pan, built a crossmember, etc for one. Haven't decided on the converter and build for the new trans, I'll be talking it over with Ricky who will be doing the work for a final decision. I imagine it will have a similar build to the th400 in the Chevelle.

It already has a TCI cooler mounted in front of the radiator, you can see the cooler lines in the first trans pic.


I think the trans was just mad at you for getting so much overspray on it.
That's just blue accent on the silver housing...:laughing:

[KrazyKarl02]

It already has a TCI cooler mounted in front of the radiator, you can see the cooler lines in the first trans pic.

Didn't you have a fan related issue?

[CheapJeep]

My bad, I thought you were asking about cooling for the transmission.

Two of the blades broke on my old universal fit flexalite, worked great on a 258 but didn't move enough air for the 383. I now have a flexalite S fan with a large shroud, no more cooling issues.

[Eckert]

My bad, I thought you were asking about cooling for the transmission.

Two of the blades broke on my old universal fit flexalite, worked great on a 258 but didn't move enough air for the 383. I now have a flexalite S fan with a large shroud, no more cooling issues.

did you ever re-mount and rewire it? personally, i see no need to.

[TMatheaus]

have you made any more progress on this lately, will it make it to karls bach party trip to 47

[CheapJeep]

Messed with it a little while I was in town last weekend. I'm planning on doing some work on it this weekend though. Need to check on the status of the trans and maybe something else.

[CheapJeep]

Did a little work this past weekend. Made progress on the new rear anti-wrap axle truss and disk brake conversion, I'll finish it up next time. I have a few other small items to wrap up but nothing major.

The parts for the transmission came in and it will be ready to go late next week after they get back from racing in Gainsville.

Brought my tools and stuff back to CS and finally made a little shop area in my apt. Working on installing the rear pinion brake for the stak. My neighbor saw me bringing the stak in and thought it was pretty funny, didn't know I was in to this kind of stuff.

Forgot to bring my camera last weekend but I snapped a pic of my apt workspace.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown065.jpg

[BMFScout]

Paint things in the bathtub, I hear that is a good idea.

[Sharpe]

You dragged your Stak all the way up here just to do the 10 minute job of installing an e-brake rotor?

[CheapJeep]

Take a look at the picture...there's more to it than just slapping on a rotor.

[J Cooper]

i brake for beavers :gigem:

[AggieTJ2007]

thats a cute tool box

[CheapJeep]

This weekend I finished the truss up and welded it to the axle, just need to weld on the link mount tabs then it'll be set. Still have work to do on the disk brake conversion though. The transmission should be ready sometime this week. Plan is to try and get it back together next weekend.

Earlier this week I swapped out the rear output housing plate and installed the pinion brake kit. The arm/lever is a little too long and contacts the case but I'll cut it down and drill a new hole for the e-brake linkage.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown001-1.jpg

[CheapJeep]

Truss/anti-wrap setup finished, ready to paint. Pick up calipers and finish disk brakes tomorrow. No transmission yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown003-2.jpg
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[KrazyKarl02]

Interesting, I guess with no gas tank back there you have lots of clearance. What are you going to do for brakes?

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Looks like you may be asking alot of the welds between the truss and axle tube with out any other bracing. A small brace towards the pinion, or somehow wrap a piece of plate around some of the axle tube.

Something like this...

[DRAGOONRANCH]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f192/DRAGOONRANCH/TAMOR/anti-wrapbrace.jpg

[RCcola55]

or tie into the diff cover some how

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Yep, that would work too, AND give you a good excuse to get a heavy duty diff cover from greatlakes, ruffstuff or whoever. :D

[tigweld]

I think it will break again. you need to take the leaf packs apart leaving only the main leaf and cycle the rear suspension. then you might be able to find an arc for the traction bars that might not bind so bad. my bet is you really need to have the bars parallel rather than triangulated and the front mounting point much lower.

[AggieTJ2007]

I agree i think that it is binding, my truss is not tied in that much more but I am sure that it will be strong enough

[CheapJeep]

Already working on a pinion brace/collar that ties into the truss for added support. After I get it rolling I will cycle the suspension and make any needed adjustments, there's room to work with on the heims. Won't know until I try it out.

Removed the drum brackets and started on mocking up the caliper brackets, ran out of time this weekend. They'll be positioned forwards to allow the bleeders to function properly without having to remove the caliper. Need to pickup pads first though, I'll finish it up next time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown016.jpg
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[Eckert]

grind off the stock perches!

[DRAGOONRANCH]

I agree i think that it is binding, my truss is not tied in that much more but I am sure that it will be strong enough

You don't have a stroker under the hood though. ;)

Oh, and a stroker in the driver's seat don't count neither. :flipoff3:

[CheapJeep]

Rear disks finished, new front spring shims in, trans should be ready after spring nationals in baytown next weekend.

Test flexed the rear suspension (granted this was without a trans and t-case). The new springs are alot better, no more inverting. The anti-wrap setup cycled fine without any binding, just have to see once I take it for a spin.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_0056.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_0061.jpg
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[CheapJeep]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_0067.jpg
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[CheapJeep]

In the above pics I didn't max out the suspension as the hoist wasn't liking it. There's still a little more travel left.

Forgot to mention the difference in ride height. With the new leaf's it's currently sitting level, if not a little higher than the front. Once the weight of the trans, t-case, skidplate, etc... are added the springs will settle a bit more.

Before...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage348.jpg

After...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_0067.jpg

[Jackasic]

Rear disks finished= spaybombed silver

interpreted:flipoff2:

looks good!

[CheapJeep]

Picked up the transmission this afternoon. I forgot how much fun it is to install a th350 by yourself... About to head back out to the shop to put the stak in, then on to hooking up trans/tcase shifters, install floor, etc... Should be ready to rock tomorrow.

[Sharpe]

Drop it on your head? :flipoff2::laughing:

[CheapJeep]

Surprisingly no but I do remember the event you're referring to...:D

[CheapJeep]

Thrashed pretty hard today... As usual, doing stuff like this alone sucks but playing metal/rock really loud helps to pass the time and melt faces.

Transmission, T-case, shifters, cooler lines, etc...all installed. I'll get the trans tunnel/cover in, t.c. bolts in, and adjust the brake pedal tomorrow.

Brake pedal/master cylinder mount I made to help keep the firewall from flexing.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_0170.jpg


Couple of pics from today.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_0173.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_0174.jpg

[CheapJeep]

Got it all back together today. Ran it for a couple minutes before bleeding the brakes, then it decided not to start up again. Found the spark plugs to be fouled, I'll pick up a set tomorrow and get it rolling again.

[CheapJeep]

It lives once again!

Got it running and driving yesterday before heading back to CS. Front wheel burnouts are fun.

Swapped out the plugs and increased the gap for a tad longer spark. Fired right up and run's great. Made a couple of adjustments to the stak shift linkage which was getting hung up and added a few more quarts of b&m trick shift atf. After bench bleeding the master cylinders, new rear brake lines/fittings, rear disk conversion, extending the m.c. plungers, new pedal/m.c. mount, etc... I was still having issues. With a deadline to make TCC and still having school priorities I loaded it up on the trailer and dad dropped it off at Bill's shop yesterday evening.

They're fixing the issue with the master cylinders, new rear driveshaft, extending the front driveshaft, fixing the oil leak coming from the rear of the intake manifold, and a couple other small details.

Overall I made a huge amount of progress for working solo this weekend but just ran out of time.

Fouled plug
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown024.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown037.jpg

Loaded up...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown047-1.jpg

[CheapJeep]

Two more....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/PostShakedown039-1.jpg
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[AggieTJ2007]

looks like it is running a little rich looking at that plug

[CheapJeep]

Yes, that would be a fairly obvious plug reading. :D

I had added more fuel and increased the idle to keep it running on the trail. After changing the plugs I leaned it out a bit. Fuel injection is on the way...

[redcagepatrol]

Yes, that would be a fairly obvious plug reading. :D

I had added more fuel and increased the idle to keep it running on the trail. After changing the plugs I leaned it out a bit. Fuel injection is on the way...

you know you can by a fairly new fuel injected engine out of the junkyard for less than $1000. The come in the form of a Chevy 5.3 or 6.0. I can show you a few j-yards that have them lined up in rows as far as you can see... Heck they even come with a warrenty and parts are a dime a dozen...

[Doug Krebs]

you know you can by a fairly new fuel injected engine out of the junkyard for less than $1000. The come in the form of a Chevy 5.3 or 6.0. I can show you a few j-yards that have them lined up in rows as far as you can see... Heck they even come with a warrenty and parts are a dime a dozen...

This talk turns me on! I must have sex with this scott!

[uglyota]

like he said, they are lined up as far as the eye can see...pick the one you like and start f*cking!

[redcagepatrol]

This talk turns me on! I must have sex with this scott!

I try to keep you happy, just let me know when you want to come down:eek::rainbow:

[CheapJeep]

I was quoted $750 for a 5.3 a couple years ago before starting over.

Ricky, the guy that built the transmission, mentioned he was interested in my 383 for a hot rod/drag car and gave me a couple leads on finding a gen IV engine. I have been considering it since it wouldn't take many changes to make the swap. I guess the 383 holds a certain sentimental value since I built it myself.

We shall see after TCC...

[redcagepatrol]

I was quoted $750 for a 5.3 a couple years ago before starting over.

Ricky, the guy that built the transmission, mentioned he was interested in my 383 for a hot rod/drag car and gave me a couple leads on finding a gen IV engine. I have been considering it since it wouldn't take many changes to make the swap. I guess the 383 holds a certain sentimental value since I built it myself.

We shall see after TCC...

do it, do it, do it.... Don't waste your time putting fuel injection on an engine that wasn't built for it...

[Graystroke]

aren't those new edelbrock setups pretty easy and bullet proof nowadays? (if you wanna keep th 383) pricey though...I think they are over 2k

[robertf03]

cheap
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1990-92-TPI-Fuel-Injection-Wiring-Harness_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66 Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c2 93Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZ item190299884548QQitemZ190299884548QQptZMotorsQ5fC arQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

It'll need different injectors for a 383, ford motorsport's are the best deal for new ones
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1988-Firebird-Camaro-TPI-intake-manifold-305-350-used_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q 3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZite m290310075295QQitemZ290310075295QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I probably have a computer, you'll need a v8 chip for a 90 to 92. Stock if you can find one, but the bullchit hyperjunk chips can be rewritten for a 383. I think GM still sell the stock ones.

[RCcola55]

scott, find me a LQ4.

[redcagepatrol]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-07-Hummer-H2-Sierra-Silverado-Yukon-6.0L-LQ4-Engine_W0QQitemZ200289804462QQcmdZViewItem

I've see several Escalades come thru with them. Not hard to find locally. When I ask "how much for that Escalade engine - complete" they typically say $1200 or slightly more

[Fredo]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-07-Hummer-H2-Sierra-Silverado-Yukon-6.0L-LQ4-Engine_W0QQitemZ200289804462QQcmdZViewItem



"Ooh, that's a peach, hun!"

How do you get that much oil on the outside of an LS based motor?

[redcagepatrol]

you roll it - ask me how I know...

[uglyota]

I dig the diagonal switches

[Eckert]

I was still having issues. With a deadline to make TCC and still having school priorities I loaded it up on the trailer and dad dropped it off at Bill's shop yesterday evening.

i got to rebuild and swap a axle, rebuild the top end of my mota, lift, brakes, steering, tires, wheels, etc on my rig before TCC, reckon i can drop it off at bills shop too?


:flipoff2:


also, you can spend thousands on a 383 stroker and a StaK but a few hundred on fuel injection is suddenly out of the realm? spend some money where it counts.

[CheapJeep]

Thanks, props to my dad on the switch layout. I talked to him today and got a status update on the BarnBurner.

The reason I kept having problems with the brake system was because I was running two master cylinders into a proportioning valve, mistake on my part. This caused the m.c.'s to fight each other and back-flow as pressure was applied. The wilwood pedal and master cylinders have been replaced with a badass pro-stock pedal/single master cylinder assembly.

Bill checked the triangulated 2-link anti-wrap setup I designed and found that the geometry was off...as one would guess. :D The truss I built has been retained but an adjustable wishbone setup is now in place. I'm not exactly sure on how it's designed since this was all described by my dad over the phone. I used the fel-pro intake manifold gaskets when I built the 383, the rear valley gasket was leaking. It's being resealed with rtv this time which should remedy the problem.

Driveshafts.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/0414091415a.jpg

Houston Drivetrain built a new rear driveshaft and fixed the front.

[CheapJeep]

i got to rebuild and swap a axle, rebuild the top end of my mota, lift, brakes, steering, tires, wheels, etc on my rig before TCC, reckon i can drop it off at bills shop too?


:flipoff2:


also, you can spend thousands on a 383 stroker and a StaK but a few hundred on fuel injection is suddenly out of the realm? spend some money where it counts.

Yes and your rig is here in CS, mine however is not...

I'm glad to hear that you are actually building something/starting to wheel. I was beginning to think you're only purpose here was to talk.:D:flipoff2:

[uglyota]

I'm glad to hear that you are actually building something/starting to wheel. I was beginning to think you're only purpose here was to talk.:D:flipoff2:

no that's me :D

[TexTJ209]

no that's me :D

And me! :p

[CheapJeep]

No breakage this time...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TCC%20VII/TCCVII019.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TCC%20VII/TCCVII041.jpg

[CheapJeep]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TCC%20VII/TCCVII042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TCC%20VII/TCCVII045.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TCC%20VII/TCCVII047.jpg

[CheapJeep]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TCC%20VII/TCCVII048.jpg
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[redcagepatrol]

well when you drive on paved roads.... it's kind've hard to break:flipoff2:

[CheapJeep]

Yeah I didn't get to wheel any hard trails nor with any TAMOR guys, all good though. I had to run to Kerrville early saturday morning to buy a few things for the dinner. Ended up wheeling alone for a bit looking for people then came across Bob's group. Still had fun wheeling with a great group of new people.

[Seth]

Robbie - random, but when you change from those tires, I think krawlers would look pimp on your jeep.

[tigweld]

krawlers look pimp on just about anything

[CheapJeep]

Got it inspected last week. Pretty fun driving it around town, runs great. Moved the rear license plate to the bumper and added a plate light. Also cut a piece of lexan and made a nice mount for the registration/inspection stickers.

[CheapJeep]

Picked up a Warn M8000 from 4wheelparts yesterday, got a good deal on it. Working on designing/building a nice winch mount.

[redcagepatrol]

I have a new M8000 in the garage also - to replace the one on the Patrol that is over 10 years old and gets used every trip.

Paid $489 for it from 4-wheel parts (Truck show in Dallas):gigem:

[stx4wheeler]

hey scott if the one on the patrol you are taking off is still working alright pm a price i need a trailer winch

[CheapJeep]

Sweet deal! I ended up paying $564 which still isn't too shabby.

[uglyota]

Why can't I send you a PM?

[CheapJeep]

Time to work on it again...

Ran into an issue with the trans slipping in forward gears late in the day but still had reverse.

Most likely culprit
-Low on ATF (shot the trans dipstick out at some point, added 4 qts to no avail)
-Clogged filter/pickup/valve body
-Forward gear clutch burned up
-Cracked/broken cooler line

Plan is to drop the skidplate and flush the system, change the filter, fluid. If that doesn't work I'll pull the trans and go from there.

[CheapJeep]

So...

After class this morning I decided to head back home to tear into the jeep. With hunting trips the next couple weekends and finals approaching I needed to start now so I can make sure to have it ready for Clayton.

After a valiant attempt to revive the forward gears I admitted defeat...

Options are to either rebuild this one once again or move on and go with a tci

[KrazyKarl02]

Why do you think this tranny keeps going out. I mean isn't this like your 3rd one? Do you think it is from the power of the 383? A TH350 should be able to hold it's own pretty well.

[TMatheaus]

probably from the motor, i had a buddy in hs who had a 383 and a th350, he kept burning up transmissions about every 4 months

[stx4wheeler]

Could it possibly be that you are using the wrong converter to help with handling the power?

[tigweld]

I have seen th350's last behind much more powerful engines than that 383. it needs a better tranny cooler, heat kills auto's.

[BroncoJo]

who rebuilt this last one?

[Eckert]

hire HP to install a manual for you.

honestly? what is going on, is it grenading, burning up, or...

[uglyota]

David Oliver went through a bunch of 700r4s before he figured out how to hook up his t/c lockup switch...th350 got one of those?

[KrazyKarl02]

David Oliver went through a bunch of 700r4s before he figured out how to hook up his t/c lockup switch...th350 got one of those?

By "figured out" you mean, bought an Art Carr transmission and paid someone to install it.

[CheapJeep]

A th350 will hold up with my setup, just needs different internals to handle the power. It's only been rebuilt once and had stock internals put back in. The current cooler is a tci universal but I'm going to swap it out for a better cooler even though I highly doubt its the culprit.

When I drained the pan there was definitely enough atf before adding more on the trail (thanks again Kevin and Coop). Dropped the pan to find metal shavings and black residue. The forward clutch gave out from what I can tell.

[CheapJeep]

For Clayton...

-Drop the trans and take it to be rebuilt
-Reinstall trans, tcase, skidplate, etc...
-install new trans cooler, lines, and temp gauge
-mount winch

[stx4wheeler]

Get a cooler with a small electric fan mounted it, like what coop just sold. Then you know that the tranny is staying cool enough.

[tigweld]

those small stacked plate coolers suck if thats thats what you are running. find a tube/fin type cooler they are much more efficient(but more expensive). when you are crawlin' you need to pull down into 1st and not use the automatic gear selection if you don't already.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

If you are going to have it apart, MRVB?

[TMatheaus]

those small stacked plate coolers suck if thats thats what you are running. find a tube/fin type cooler they are much more efficient(but more expensive). when you are crawlin' you need to pull down into 1st and not use the automatic gear selection if you don't already.

i think you are backwards, the fin type suck which is the style he has and the plate style are the better ones

[BroncoJo]

i think you are backwards, the fin type suck which is the style he has and the plate style are the better ones

This is what I have always been told

[tigweld]

I am talking radiator style with end tanks 2 pass maybe like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Setrab-2-PASS-oil-cooler-6-series-51-07944-NASCAR-fluid_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19af82b637QQitemZ 110318761527QQptZRaceQ5fCarQ5fParts



I can tell you for a fact from personal experiance that the stacked plate do not work very well

[BroncoJo]

I am talking radiator style with end tanks 2 pass maybe like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Setrab-2-PASS-oil-cooler-6-series-51-07944-NASCAR-fluid_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19af82b637QQitemZ 110318761527QQptZRaceQ5fCarQ5fParts



I can tell you for a fact from personal experiance that the stacked plate do not work very well

I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about something like this

http://www.speedalliance.com/images/MISHIMOTO/TRANSMISSION_COOLER.jpg

[CheapJeep]

It's back together and running once again. Mounted a badass trans cooler/e-fan setup in the bed, should have no problem keeping it cool under rompage. Need to make a mount for the trans temp gauge since there is no room on the dash.

Built a winch mount yesterday using pieces from Coop's old one. Got it installed, just need to wire it up. Also welded on some d-ring mounts to the front for tow points.

Started on a steering box brace using some scrap pieces of chromoly tubing. Not much left, just need to finish it up.


I'll post pics later, headed back out to the shop.

[CheapJeep]

Ready to rock n roll... Got it all finished up tonight, I forgot how much fun it is to mount the skidplate by yourself.

Pics...

For the winch mount brackets I welded two 3/8" grade 9 bolts from underneath for the studs. Also tapped single 7/16" grade 9 bolts on each side offset for additional strength against shearing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep016.jpg

Steering box brace... Mounted the winch controller box flush underneath due to lack of mounting space on the actual winch. Might move it down the road...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep021-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep023-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep017.jpg
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Trans cooler/fan

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep009-1.jpg

[uglyota]

that may be the worst placement for a winch controller box that I have ever seen :)

[CheapJeep]

Ya, with no mounting space on the bumper/winch and the short cable run to the terminals made my options slim. It's still easily accessible and protected by the bumper, steering box brace, etc.

That being said I plan on mounting it inside the console I'm building for the c.b. and head unit later on.

[bcolman]

why not just put it on top of the winch motor with some very large hose clamps?

[FJAggie07]

why not just put it on top of the winch motor with some very large hose clamps?

x2?

Or run it into your engine compartment and wire up some in cab controls from 12voltguy?

[CheapJeep]

Read above... No space to mount the box on the m8000 motor, I tried it as that's how our m12000 box is mounted. The 3 motor cables have to be lengthened to mount it any further than about 10"s from the winch terminals.

[robertf03]

x2?

Or run it into your engine compartment and wire up some in cab controls from 12voltguy?

did you see the rest of the wiring on this vehicle? 12volt guy stuff wouldn't exactly match.

[bcolman]

i dont understand your logic, you could mount it under the winch, but you could not mount it to the motor where the wires would need to be ever shorter? maybe its just been a long week, but that doesnt make sense to me

[Sharpe]

Whacha gonna do when the front end is burried into a dirt bank or something and you need a winch pull to get up it?

[CheapJeep]

Read above... No space to mount the box on the m8000 motor, I tried it as that's how our m12000 box is mounted.

How is that not clear??? The box does not fit on the motor, too bucoo, no room...

[eight]

Fits on mine. You might have to spin the motor, if it's spinnable.

[FJAggie07]

did you see the rest of the wiring on this vehicle? 12volt guy stuff wouldn't exactly match.

you must be outside your damn mind. :D No actually I meant he should get the 12Voltguy wiring but I am sure his Dad can figure out which wires to tap into. For example:

Robbie's Dash (work of art by his Dad if I must say so)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage306.jpg

Copy the one on the left, and instead of the Red switch put in a Contura rocker whatever switch like the rest of his and then have the buttons with the engraving. Would look peemp under the gauges, angled like the rest of his switches...

http://12voltguy.com/web/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/TJ_Mini_Buttons_48a490e137886.jpg

Disclaimer: I am a little inebriated.

[robertf03]

meh, I think 12volt guy stuff is garbage.

[FJAggie07]

meh, I think 12volt guy stuff is garbage.

You ever either A)run one of his panels, or B) looked at his wiring on the back of one of his panels?

Just curious as to understand why you would feel that way? Bad Experience?

[Eckert]

You ever either A)run one of his panels, or B) looked at his wiring on the back of one of his panels?

Just curious as to understand why you would feel that way? Bad Experience?

ill agree that is overpriced, its a piece of aluminum with switches, not that hard.

nice, but not worth what he charges.

[robertf03]

radio shack switches, cheap looking labels, thin metal, and its a switch panel. I don't get it.

look at that tj switch panel he sells and think if you would be ok with something like that on your dash.

[FJAggie07]

I'll take a picture of the custom one he built for my dad's 40 to cover the "radio" slot and post it. Pop's seems happy with it, somethings are worth more to folks who don't have to deal with any problems. I think the value of the panel came in the very clear instructions of how to tie into his winch control which really helped him. I think Ed has one of his big panels too.

[CheapJeep]

Wiring in a dash mount winch controller is not rocket science and I don't think adding some cheesedick "arming" switch completes the package...


That said take the 12voltguy debate somewhere else. Yes, I agree that his stuff looks cheap and having dozens of arming switches mounted on a shiney aluminum panel does not make it cool, it looks like ass.

[CheapJeep]

Got a few upgrades for the Barn Burner.

Still waiting on the PSC power steering pump to arrive. Need to get the front driveshaft rebuilt for a 1350 dual cv flange setup.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Barn%20Burner%20Updates/DSC_1260.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Barn%20Burner%20Updates/DSC_1261.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Barn%20Burner%20Updates/DSC_1286.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Barn%20Burner%20Updates/DSC_1291.jpg

[robertf03]

dayum, you could have bought a disco for the price of that efi and been done with the buildup ;)

[DRAGOONRANCH]

dayum, you could have bought a disco for the price of that efi and been done with the buildup ;)

Once you buy a disco though, your teeth start rotting out and you get that limey stench that you can never wash off. :flipoff2:

[bcolman]

what size tires did you go with?

[stx4wheeler]

Fawkin sweet Robbie tell us some more about the efi system.

[FJAggie07]

what size tires did you go with?


Fawkin sweet Robbie tell us some more about the efi system.

x2!

[BroncoJo]

That badass Robbie:gigem:


I may be mistaken but I think that kit is like a self-tuning speed density system or maybe better described as a mass air without a MAF sensor?

[robertf03]

it is true speed density. self tuning is easily done when you eliminate ignition control and use a wideband on a naturally aspirated engine. Pretty hard to burn holes in pistons or break rings that way, and if it does you can blame it on the springs in the distributor.

It uses the wideband and efi computer to adjust fuel tables on the fly instead of a human interpreting the data while trying to hold on to a laptop while riding in a square tired death trap and helping the driver look out for the man and his radar.

[85cj7]

It uses the wideband and efi computer to adjust fuel tables on the fly instead of a human interpreting the data while trying to hold on to a laptop while riding in a square tired death trap and helping the driver look out for the man and his radar.

i thought you and cook were going to get shot at when you did this around the block in his truck while it backfired every 2 seconds, i think it was also 3am at the time. :gigem:

[agjohn02]

can't see the pic. i'm assuming it is FAST EZ-EFI?

[Eckert]

can't see the pic. i'm assuming it is FAST EZ-EFI?

you are correct.