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CheapJeep
08-01-2007, 11:49 PM
Decided to finally start a buildup thread. The "CheapJeep" is no more, now dubbed, "The Barn Burner". The definition is, "one that arouses much interest or excitement," but I also found it fitting since it's being built in a barn/shop. My job changing tires has helped fund my build, but luckily my dad is supportive and has become involved in the project wrenching, designing panel/tubing ideas, electrical, etc. Needless to say my original plan became altered.

I have a few teaser pics from the beginning of the summer. Holding off on posting more until I get a few more things wrapped up.

Short recap.

The beginning through different stages.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Jeep002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Katemcy1005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TexasCollegeWeekend088.jpg

CheapJeep
08-01-2007, 11:52 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/Dana60sShop002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild001.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup004.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup026.jpg

CheapJeep
08-01-2007, 11:54 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup050.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC00066.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup038.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup052.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup057.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup061.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup063.jpg

CheapJeep
08-02-2007, 12:00 AM
Teasers...

Hydro Assist.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup059.jpg

383ci sbc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup065.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup067.jpg

Gauges
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup015.jpg

Minor bodywork/paint stripping to original color before adding panels.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup040.jpg
Possible new color.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup027.jpg

Messing with the taillights before panels.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup024.jpg

colman
08-02-2007, 02:08 AM
setiously blue, why that color? and how long till your done and you never called me back about my buddy wanting your old engine

agjohn02
08-02-2007, 03:31 AM
Messing with the taillights before panels.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup024.jpg



39 ford? i dig em.

Sharpe
08-02-2007, 07:11 AM
Are you trying to give Eric a run for his money with painting your drivetrain randomk colors?

TxCruzr
08-02-2007, 08:35 AM
color blind much :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
08-02-2007, 11:39 AM
Yep, taillights are 39 Ford's. My dad came up with some sweet 3/16" corner panel ideas with the taillights recessed/frenched in. I stripped the paint back to the original color and found a couple areas along the rockers that had previously been bondo'd and cracked. I redid some of the bodywork just to learn but it's all getting covered by the new panels.

The pics with it all different colors was before I stripped the green off the BTF stuff and cut out parts of the cage. The B pillar, seat mounts, and door bars are all staying the same. The rear X, overhead bars, and yes the flat A pillar came out. With my dad onboard for the build and many projects of his own we decided to get a tube bender.
http://www.midamericanonline.com/MA_0001.html

I went with light blue (actually Chrysler blue) and silver for the paint scheme. When I first got the jeep it had a dark blue maaco paint job but the original light blue which I liked was showing through in places. Might sound wierd but once I ditched the grave digger paint job it was calming. I guess it's because my favorite color was always blue.

colman
08-02-2007, 11:55 AM
i wish my dad would get a bender like that, just push bend and it gets done, next thing ya know you will be putting tube everywhere just because its easy to do

agjohn02
08-02-2007, 11:59 AM
a guy i had a class with built one of those with a electric over pneumatic over hydraulic bottle jack. he made the die and follower and all. it was pretty nifty. only problem is it will only do 90 degrees. which sucks when you get ready to do shock hoops or a grill hoop.

CheapJeep
08-02-2007, 12:06 PM
I'll go ahead and post some drivetrain info.

383ci sbc- started with an 85 crate 350.
-Scat series 9000 forged crank
-Scat 3.75" H-beam 4340 con rods
-Speedpro Hypereutectic .030" pistons
-Engine Pro cam(lift .420x.443 duration .270x.280), double roller timing chain, and hydraulic lifters
-Stock heads gasket matched and ported
-Stock valves, push rods, valve springs, and rocker arms
-Mellings high flow oil pump
-MSD ultimate HEI
-MSD 7AL-2 box
-Smiley's 8.5mm plug wires
-Pro Form hi-amp mini starter
-Pro Form electric water pump
-Chrome GMPP 100 amp alternator
-Chrome Mr. Gasket thermostat housing and thermostat
-Pro Cam racing fuel pump
-Edelbrock performer intake
-Willy's carb shop offroad Holley 550cfm 2 bbl
-Aluminum valve covers

TH350 trans
-TCI cooler and shift kit
-full rebuild

Ditched the 203/205 doubler idea due to weight and lack of space.

Stak 2spd.
-4.33:1
-1350 yokes

Dodge Dana 60
-full rebuild
-4.10, welded
-Rockstomper arms drilled for 3/4x5/8 heims
-Rockstomper hydro assist kit with 1.5x8" ram

Dodge Dana 70
-full rebuild
-4.10, welded

DRAGOONRANCH
08-02-2007, 04:04 PM
w/ that color scheme, Papa Smurf would fit better. I dig it though. :gigem:

BMFScout
08-02-2007, 04:36 PM
You're honestly going to call it the "Barn Burner" and not put any flames on it!?! That's an outrage!!!! ;)

Fredo
08-02-2007, 04:41 PM
ah, the "rv cam".....nice choice! I hear good things about those "rv cams" :jackoff: :rolleyes:

Graystroke
08-02-2007, 05:16 PM
It's better than a 3/4 race cam! :flipoff2:

robertf03
08-02-2007, 05:37 PM
stage 2 race prepped

jerryg79
08-02-2007, 06:14 PM
stage 2 race prepped

is that when the lights flash and the doors lock?

robertf03
08-02-2007, 06:30 PM
is that when the lights flash and the doors lock?

jackass. http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showpost.php?p=103035&postcount=6

CheapJeep
08-02-2007, 07:20 PM
ah, the "rv cam".....nice choice! I hear good things about those "rv cams" :jackoff: :rolleyes:
I just posted the cam specs for you.

I'm trying to keep my buildup thread on topic, please keep the snaking out. Thanks.

uglyota
08-02-2007, 07:43 PM
Are you trying to give Eric a run for his money with painting your drivetrain randomk colors?
Hey I was finally settling on two--unfortunately silver and blue seem to be very popular...

Sharpe
08-02-2007, 10:28 PM
***** my colors are black and silver I just cant afford to cover all the blue up yet.

jerryg79
08-02-2007, 10:56 PM
jackass. http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showpost.php?p=103035&postcount=6

you know it was funny.

and please he's trying to keep his build thread on topic!!!!!!!!!!

edit: i ate 15 hot wings tonight, i'll probably have a "barn burner" tommorow (sp?)

CheapJeep
08-05-2007, 10:45 PM
Figured it's about time for some teardown pics. Pulled the motor, trans, and t-case sucked by myself. Cut parts of the cage out with the plasma, turned out to be easier than I thought. Clean cuts following the fishmouth/welds, no gouging.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup213.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup22.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup211.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup210.jpg

AggieTJ2007
08-05-2007, 10:49 PM
thats a whole lotta expensive tube on the ground. Save it the short pieces are always good for something, they make great jackstands.

Hey isn't that stuff .095 wall or something like that

robertf03
08-05-2007, 10:52 PM
did you really pull that engine without taking the grill or radiator out?

CheapJeep
08-05-2007, 11:25 PM
Well the pics sure do look like it. ;) Yeah it was a mistake, I was contemplating whether or not to pull the grill, etc then didn't.

Yes I'm keeping the old tube for small stuff. And yes, it's thin wall chromoly.

AggieTJ2007
08-06-2007, 04:16 PM
go with some heavy wall for things that will contact rocks frequently like the halo, the thin wall doesn't hold up to rubbing on rocks to well, it likes to dent

CheapJeep
08-06-2007, 10:54 PM
What'd you do read that in a magazine? :flipoff2:

I already have plenty of tube and other assorted steel. Went with DOM this time.

AggieTJ2007
08-07-2007, 05:25 PM
no, I got that talking to competitors at a comp about what they would do different as far as engines, roll cages and material.

Of course peterson's did do that article too

I just think you are going to want a cage that you can roll multiple times instead of one that is going to protect you but may deform if you roll it hard. It is just something to consider.

i don't know if you see a hard roll in your future but I see one in mine. I don't want to but I am sure that it will happen eventually

CheapJeep
09-30-2007, 10:01 PM
A little update. My trailready's finally came in after ordering them midsummer. Also, the stak is supposed to be coming in early this week. :gigem:

Pic of the TrailReady's
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup022.jpg

CheapJeep
09-30-2007, 10:08 PM
More teaser old build pics I finally uploaded.

Interior teardown
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup032.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup024-1.jpg

Boxed the frame using 1.25" thick wall square tube welded inside frame/plug welded outside of frame with 2" flat stock welded on top.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup026-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup029.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup033.jpg

BajaBob
09-30-2007, 10:17 PM
so freaking sweet man.

bcolman
10-01-2007, 11:27 AM
what tire are you planning on running? also what size? those rims are sweet

CheapJeep
10-01-2007, 12:08 PM
Thanks. I'm staying with the 38x15.5x16 SSR's I have for now. I'll get something different when those wear down.

stx4wheeler
10-01-2007, 04:47 PM
? why did you use angle to box the frame instead of plate?

AggieTJ2007
10-01-2007, 04:53 PM
who knows why he used angle to much work to cut plate with the plasma I guess

FJAggie07
10-01-2007, 05:17 PM
so freaking sweet man.

quit riding his nuts booby. that **** is :rainbow: haven't you figured out we only criticize around here? Nobody offers positive reinforcement, that goes against everything that makes you a man. Now go shotgun a beer to redeem your self.


PS- Robbie why didn't you use plate? :flipoff2:

AggieTJ2007
10-01-2007, 05:32 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=616831

here is how you box a frame

Seth
10-01-2007, 07:51 PM
what - that one in the middle? (that is, the post by the other guy)

BajaBob
10-01-2007, 10:57 PM
quit riding his nuts booby. that **** is :rainbow: haven't you figured out we only criticize around here? Nobody offers positive reinforcement, that goes against everything that makes you a man. Now go shotgun a beer to redeem your self.



redeemed, dooshbag. :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
10-02-2007, 01:07 AM
Boxed the frame using 1.25" thick wall square tube welded inside frame/plug welded outside of frame with 2" flat stock welded on top.
I guess reading's overrated.... :flipoff2:

Once again, I welded 1.25" square tube inside the stock C channel frame then welded 2" FLAT stock/plate on top. There is NO ANGLE iron.

KrazyKarl02
10-02-2007, 07:16 AM
Once again, I welded 1.25" square tube inside the stock C channel frame then welded 2" FLAT stock/plate on top. There is NO ANGLE iron.

and the question appears again, why?

colman
10-02-2007, 09:58 AM
i would guess its what he had laying around

davido
10-02-2007, 10:25 AM
So it will sink faster. :D



So what kind of crawl ratio will you have? Did I miss something or is it going to be high?


Looking good. A good work area makes all of the difference.

robertf03
10-02-2007, 10:38 AM
and the question appears again, why?

box doesn't sound like that bad of an idea, just not the conventional way of doing it, or the light weight way. Think of it as quick and eazy z-channel bracing :gigem:

Probably takes out even more of the frame twist than just boxing it would have.

agjohn02
10-02-2007, 12:33 PM
i agree, heavy but stiff. its not a race car is it?

bcolman
10-02-2007, 02:35 PM
its not a race car is it?

he drives it like it is one

redcagepatrol
10-02-2007, 05:49 PM
can't wait for the finished product!

CheapJeep
10-09-2007, 10:03 PM
Stak finally came in. :gigem:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_7383.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC_7382.jpg

redcagepatrol
10-09-2007, 10:14 PM
What ratio and yokes (they look small...)? No parking brake? Just ah 2 speed?
just given you a hard time - Welcome to the Stak club :gigem:

DRAGOONRANCH
10-09-2007, 10:48 PM
sweet, when do you expect to have this bad bitty on the trails again?

agjohn02
10-09-2007, 10:55 PM
scott, do those bolts on the covers look new to you?

robertf03
10-09-2007, 11:05 PM
sweet, that should hold you out until its time to step it up to the lt230 and do it right.

agjohn02
10-09-2007, 11:07 PM
yup, looks like they changed something else on them.

bearing preload? surely not.


scott's
http://tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8860&stc=1

mine
http://tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10187&stc=1

agjohn02
10-09-2007, 11:09 PM
What ratio and yokes (they look small...)?


1310 cv?

DRAGOONRANCH
10-09-2007, 11:14 PM
1310 cv?


+TREE ATY TREE = KABOOM :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
10-10-2007, 12:27 AM
The yokes are 1350's, gear ratio is 4.33:1, and no parking brake or vss. Not sure when I'll get it back on the trail, alot of detail work. I have all the parts to finish it, just need the time.

TxCruzr
10-10-2007, 12:38 AM
yup, looks like they changed something else on them.

bearing preload? surely not.




There was a thread on pirate, maybe the DD Stak one, and they mentioned that they might start incorporating that into the case.

agjohn02
10-10-2007, 12:39 AM
can you find the thread?

Seth
10-10-2007, 12:46 AM
looks expensive.

TxCruzr
10-10-2007, 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Capt. Nemo View Post
STaK also replaced the rear bearing retainers with ones that allow the bearing preload to be set from outside the case, rather than having to open it up and add shims. Ken said that the bearing preload only needs to be set once, but I'm a little skeptical since the adjustments are so accessible. Time will tell.

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535877&page=3&highlight=stak
post #53

He was having problems with the case leaking, getting hot, and making noise like a bearing or something I believe.

TxCruzr
10-10-2007, 12:48 AM
looks expensive.

Cheaper then an atlas and not much more then a fully decked out d300.

agjohn02
10-10-2007, 12:54 AM
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535877&page=3&highlight=stak
post #53

He was having problems with the case leaking, getting hot, and making noise like a bearing or something I believe.


yeah, thanks, i just found it and read it. im not too worried about it as i dont like that way of preloading the bearings. how do you know you have it loaded evenly? it should be a one bolt operation, not six. do they have shims, not washers, under the bolts, robbie?

TxCruzr
10-10-2007, 12:58 AM
See, that is what I was thinking. What if you accidentally tighten one bolt more then the other? Isn't that going to be worse and wear the bearing out even quicker? But then again, will you actually even need to tighten them, specially on a trail rig that won't have a whole bunch of miles on it?

CheapJeep
10-10-2007, 01:06 AM
I haven't actually seen it or read any of the paperwork that came with it since it came in. I had it shipped to my dad's office and he sent me a couple pictures. I'll have to look into it next time I go home.

CheapJeep
11-18-2007, 11:44 PM
Not much progress since the beginning of the semester. Only worked on it twice now but I'm hoping to get things going over the Christmas break.

A couple of pics.

I found this picture from before I started the build.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/DSC00056-1.jpg

More recent work.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup049.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup063-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup064.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup066.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup068.jpg

DRAGOONRANCH
11-18-2007, 11:51 PM
chiney!!!

I like the papa smurf axle scheme. :gigem:

CheapJeep
12-05-2007, 08:21 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup078.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup083.jpg

agjohn02
12-05-2007, 08:23 PM
did that post get lost in the crash?

so are you going to have tie rod issues or is it just the picture angle?

CheapJeep
12-05-2007, 08:29 PM
Guess it got lost in the site crash. Yeah there are some clearance issues. You're running the same RE YJ leaf's right? I was looking at your spring hanger/tie rod clearance at Brandon's the other night. Seemed like your front hangers were low enough to keep the spring arch even avoiding tie rod clearance issues.

agjohn02
12-05-2007, 08:44 PM
yeah, same springs. the rear eye of yours looks a little farther from the frame than mine is. the front hangers look about the same. im really not sure how much clearance i have up front either though. im not planning on putting anything up there.

CheapJeep
12-05-2007, 08:46 PM
I thought about arm spacers but don't want problems with shearing.

bcolman
12-05-2007, 08:58 PM
you will also get some clearance when you get the motor tranny and t case installed, which my be just what you need to make it work, just a thought though, they may not settle out enough

agjohn02
12-05-2007, 08:58 PM
put the tie rod behind the axle. looks like you have plenty of room there.

agjohn02
12-05-2007, 09:44 PM
ah, no drivetrain? i thought they looked awefully arched.

AggieTJ2007
12-05-2007, 09:47 PM
that would be his style, he likes it high in the air

texasxj
12-05-2007, 09:51 PM
me likey shiney thing

colman
12-05-2007, 10:11 PM
why aren't youputting disc brakes on the rear axle, its prety cheap and mud doesn't get stick in it like the drums would

CheapJeep
12-05-2007, 10:17 PM
Didn't want to fool with converting to disk brakes plus I kind of like having a boat anchor out back to keep weight distribution somewhat even.

I pulled a leaf from both front springs to help reduce their stiffness. They seem to flex better just from messing with them but I haven't ruled out going with a set of waggy's yet. Just playing with ideas right now.

Doug Krebs
12-05-2007, 10:22 PM
Didn't want to fool with converting to disk brakes plus I kind of like having a boat anchor out back to keep weight distribution somewhat even.

blah... good thing they banned rivers. I had to take the drums off every time I went to llano or the san jacinto rivers to get pebbles out. On the other hand my rims were shiny!

CheapJeep
01-05-2008, 01:02 AM
Making some progress over the break. Been hunting some so not as much progress made as I had hoped for but oh well, it's all good.

Here are some pics. More to come...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup090.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup093.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup152.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup149.jpg

DRAGOONRANCH
01-05-2008, 03:48 AM
That engine looks good in there, that thing is gonna own the sand drags....

CheapJeep
01-07-2008, 04:38 PM
Like this? :D I know I know, it's weak cuz it was against a 6.2...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/TCC%20V/TCCV174.jpg

davido
01-07-2008, 04:41 PM
That's a sweet picture though.

CheapJeep
01-07-2008, 04:54 PM
Check out the rear springs wrapping in the picture above. I pulled a leaf from each of the front springs to help it sit a little lower and flex better. Might move the extra leaf's to the rear but I've been working on an anti-wrap bar in coordination with the tranny crossmember. I'm having to work it in around the t-case mount, rear warn atv winch crossmember, exhaust, and driveshaft.

DRAGOONRANCH
01-08-2008, 12:20 AM
I was going to say somethin smart ass about the 6.2 when you posted that the other day, but I figured I would be nice to pigpen that day....

RCcola55
01-08-2008, 07:26 AM
i know you have more done then that stop holding out

CheapJeep
01-08-2008, 04:23 PM
Yes but progress has been slower than I would like working alone. Maneuvering some of the heavier stuff into place is a pita by myself. The stak is one such item, picking it up and lifting it into place almost killed me. The frame is still a little too narrow so the case is clocked down a little more than I would like but I'm working on a skid plate in coordination with the crossmembers.

Sharpe
01-08-2008, 06:19 PM
..

agjohn02
01-08-2008, 09:32 PM
..


dang it, sharpe made me giggle.


robbie, i know what you mean by progress being slow working alone. after the heavy stuff is done, it speeds up quite a bit unless you are a glutton for punishment like me. post up some pictures though so everyone can tell you how it should be done. :flipoff2:

davido
01-08-2008, 10:20 PM
Snap Sharpe. Nice zing.

Yeah Robbie post up. We can help you avoid another one of those Rolls Royce parts fiascos. ;)

Looking good though. I highly recommend finding some help. Even if it's just someone there to BS, drink beer, and occasionally hold stuff. Makes the time go a lot faster. I've always hated working on mine by myself, so usually I just don't. Looking good though. :cheers:

Seth
01-08-2008, 10:52 PM
Even if it's just someone there to BS, drink beer, and occasionally hold stuff.

:gigem:

agjohn02
01-08-2008, 11:03 PM
Even if I'm just someone there to BS, drink beer, and occasionally hold stuff.


fixed it for ya :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
01-09-2008, 12:48 AM
Good form Sharpe, I knew that was coming. :D

CheapJeep
01-09-2008, 01:03 AM
Fine fine, here's some more recent pics.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup153.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup172.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup177.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup178.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup176.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup169.jpg

CheapJeep
01-09-2008, 01:05 AM
Getting the stak in place by myself sucked....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup155.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup157.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup160.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup162.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup163.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup165.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup159.jpg

DRAGOONRANCH
01-09-2008, 08:34 AM
bling, bling....

I hate even going over to help john, I usually end up asking 9 million questions before I leave, and he has made no progress. :gigem:

Seth
01-09-2008, 11:13 AM
No wonder progress is slow, you spend all your time taking pics!!

Sharpe
01-09-2008, 11:13 AM
Are you going to rotate the Stak up any more? It hangs down quite a bit, I would do everything I could to get a flat belly seeing as I get hung up on my tranny crossmember prety frequently.

tigweld
01-09-2008, 11:18 AM
doesn't look like it will rotate up anymore with out offsetting the motor to the d-side

bburris
01-09-2008, 11:33 AM
Are you going to rotate the Stak up any more? It hangs down quite a bit, I would do everything I could to get a flat belly seeing as I get hung up on my tranny crossmember prety frequently.
...

The frame is still a little too narrow so the case is clocked down a little more than I would like but I'm working on a skid plate in coordination with the crossmembers.

agjohn02
01-09-2008, 02:53 PM
bling, bling....

I hate even going over to help john, I usually end up asking 9 million questions before I leave, and he has made no progress. :gigem:


this is true. while i dont mind visitors, i never get any work done when people come by. we just stand around and talk.

DRAGOONRANCH
01-09-2008, 11:27 PM
this is true. while i dont mind visitors, i never get any work done when people come by. we just stand around and talk.

:D, I promise next time, I will be in my bibs and be ready to work...

DRAGOONRANCH
01-09-2008, 11:28 PM
blah... good thing they banned rivers.


BLASPHEMER>>>>>

CheapJeep
01-12-2008, 07:17 PM
Trans crossmember finished and in place. It's not the prettiest piece but clears everything and works. I made a hoop that drops down from the crossmember then around the front side of the case/yoke. It will tie into the rear t-case mount and be a base for the skid plate. I started on the t-case crossmember and mounts but didn't get a chance to finish it before coming back to c.s.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup182.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup190.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup189.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup194.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup196.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup199.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup195.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup202.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup200.jpg

redcagepatrol
01-12-2008, 10:37 PM
Probably would've been a good idea to offset the drivetrain to the driver side about 2 inches so that the t-case could've been clocked up and the driveshasft would have more clearence.

I don't know if there is something stopping you from doing it, but I think that if you go back and shift everything over about 1.5~2 inches you will be happier in the long run.

Lynda's is moved over about 1.5 inch and it works out great with the offset Ford 9 - but hers is a driver side drop.

I believe that a smooth underside and high ground clearence are some of the most important things when it comes to making rock-crawling performance.

Otherwise - looks good, glad to see the progress and hope to see it on the trail soon.

agjohn02
01-12-2008, 10:52 PM
i agree with scott. i didnt want to say anything b/c its too late to go back and redo all that work. i think you should look into stak's b box or whatever they call the one they designed to fit between early bronco framerails. see if they'll let you exchange it.

Graystroke
01-12-2008, 11:14 PM
just c- notch the frame side ways!

CheapJeep
01-13-2008, 02:36 PM
I had given thought to moving the drivetrain over but there would be clearance issues with the steering shaft, d. side header, floor pan, firewall, driveshaft angles, etc, and in the end I don't think 2"s would be enough. I had even thought about building a new wider frame but I'm too far in this to go back.

Before I ordered my stak I was set on a b-box until the sales rep explained that they hang down just as much as a clocked a-box would and that I would be better off with the normal stak. I highly doubt they do scratch n dent returns... :D

The trans pan and oil pan hang flush with the frame. The bottom of the case is about an inch or so above the bottom of the rear pass spring mount. With my shorter wheelbase and current ride height I might be ok with the skidplate but maybe that's just wishful thinking.

agjohn02
01-13-2008, 02:53 PM
The trans pan and oil pan hang flush with the frame. The bottom of the case is about an inch or so above the bottom of the rear pass spring mount. With my shorter wheelbase and current ride height I might be ok with the skidplate but maybe that's just wishful thinking.

yeah thought the same thing after seeing this pic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuildup165.jpg

that being said about the b box, just go with it. you can always use these parts in a new rig when you get out of school.

AggieTJ2007
01-13-2008, 11:49 PM
i would say mess with it, but you jeep looks so tall right now that I don't think that you should mess with it much,

davido
01-14-2008, 01:26 AM
Looking good. It would have been nice to have a flat plate for sure, but if you just can't do it you can't do it. You might check out Lynda's skidplate as an alternative. It angles down so that it acts as a ramp (forward backward, not side to side). You probably already thought of this, but angle it as much as possible so that if it's tight you can probably still slide. You may want to drop the ride height down in the future as you get into more extreme angles.

Keep the pics coming!

CheapJeep
03-18-2008, 10:14 AM
More recent pics I just uploaded. Progress has been slow but should start to pick up soon. Just have to find time to make it home on the weekends to work on it.

I have some more parts coming in this week from BTF. I picked up the tie rod kit with 3/4x5/8 heims from Ballistic Fab.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/SpringBreak215.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/SpringBreak211.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/SpringBreak212-1.jpg

agjohn02
03-18-2008, 10:42 AM
cage is looking mucho better. i dig it.

Seth
03-18-2008, 10:43 AM
I was thinking it looked a little strange, but then I went and looked at what was there before. Much better.

davido
03-20-2008, 07:29 PM
bling bling on the beadlocks! that's going to be awesome.

agjohn02
03-20-2008, 08:39 PM
whats the wheelbase?

stx4wheeler
03-21-2008, 08:06 AM
good job robbie i also like the cage much more this time good work man.

william_ace
03-21-2008, 06:43 PM
yes the cage looks much better. good job

CheapJeep
05-12-2008, 02:26 PM
Update.

Ran out of tubing to finish the rear section of the cage otherwise it would be done. Just need to pick up the couple of sticks I ordered from Bill. I cut and reused a couple sections of the chromoly to be more efficient. Getting the hang of notching and bending now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/SpringBreak244.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild009-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild006.jpg

redcagepatrol
05-12-2008, 02:59 PM
much better!

bcolman
05-12-2008, 07:53 PM
lookin good

CheapJeep
05-23-2008, 06:15 PM
Been making more progress, I'll post pics later today or tomorrow. If any of you Houstonites want to hang and drink some frosty beverages call the cell.

BroncoJo
05-23-2008, 07:07 PM
Been making more progress, I'll post pics later today or tomorrow. If any of you Houstonites want to hang and drink some frosty beverages call the cell.

What part of houston you in?

jerryg79
05-23-2008, 07:22 PM
What part of houston you in?

conroe.

CheapJeep
05-23-2008, 10:53 PM
Pics...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild015-1.jpg

CheapJeep
05-23-2008, 10:54 PM
More...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild020.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild022-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild024.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild026.jpg

CheapJeep
05-23-2008, 11:01 PM
Kinda hazy but one more with the hoop welded in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/JeepBuild034.jpg

agjohn02
05-23-2008, 11:20 PM
lookin sharp robbie

CheapJeep
06-17-2008, 11:42 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage006.jpg

CheapJeep
06-17-2008, 11:44 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage018.jpg

View from the drivers seat

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage021.jpg

bcolman
06-18-2008, 12:44 AM
shouldnt all of the tubes on the roof come together at the same spot, isnt that stronger than at 3 different places, other than that it looks good, when is it hitting the trail again?

RCcola55
06-18-2008, 12:50 AM
we still down for the beginning of next week

DRAGOONRANCH
06-18-2008, 01:01 AM
Anybody else having trouble with the photobucket pictures not showing up???

uglyota
06-18-2008, 08:47 AM
damn that looks good. I think brian's right about the nodes though...may be worth replacing 4 tubes

JB
06-18-2008, 09:23 AM
I see no pics....only red X's

DRAGOONRANCH
06-18-2008, 09:33 AM
photobucket is all fooked up today, pbb has been *****in about it for a while too.


I don't even get the red x's :(

Doug Krebs
06-18-2008, 09:47 AM
shouldnt all of the tubes on the roof come together at the same spot, isnt that stronger than at 3 different places, other than that it looks good, when is it hitting the trail again?

They are close enough that it's probably negligible

AggieTJ2007
06-18-2008, 10:13 AM
yeah but if you make them come together at the same point it is damn near impossible to get them notched tight and go into place

bcolman
06-18-2008, 10:36 AM
yeah but if you make them come together at the same point it is damn near impossible to get them notched tight and go into place

it also depends on how you design the cage, if you do it like you did eds then it is near impossible, but if you do it like most jeeps seem to be done and i think this is what it looked like robbie had done (i cant see pictures when i am at work), no halo, then you could make them come together at the same point, you would just need some extra hands to hold the pieces or something like that

Fredo
06-18-2008, 12:43 PM
yeah but if you make them come together at the same point it is damn near impossible to get them notched tight and go into place

I didn't think it was too much more work. But, Doug is right...it probably would make very little difference as close as they already are.

AggieTJ2007
06-18-2008, 01:19 PM
I think it is the halo that makes it alot harder

CheapJeep
06-18-2008, 01:27 PM
Ryan, I'll let ya know for sure on next week once I get going on the railing project for my dad's new shop tomorrow.

Thanks for the complements.

DRAGOONRANCH
06-18-2008, 01:52 PM
I didn't think it was too much more work. But, Doug is right...it probably would make very little difference as close as they already are.

Hey you yak molester, when did you steal my welding helmet???



:flipoff2:

agjohn02
06-18-2008, 02:16 PM
looking sweet. i really like that the dash bar is under the cowl eyebrow.

agjohn02
06-18-2008, 02:26 PM
yeah but if you make them come together at the same point it is damn near impossible to get them notched tight and go into place

:flipoff2:

http://www.tamor.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11049&d=1184563678

BMFScout
06-18-2008, 02:54 PM
:gigem: looks good Roberto!

CheapJeep
06-18-2008, 04:06 PM
Thanks. Almost done burning it all in, just had to take a break since it's so damn hot.

I made the dash bar below the cowl so I would have more visibility since I'm not running a stock windshield or dash, plus it's something different.

CheapJeep
06-28-2008, 10:27 PM
Update.

Ryan, let me know if you're still up for coming down here for a few days. I've been really busy with work lately and haven't had time to work on it.

Pics of the cage burned in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage023.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage027.jpg

Trans/T-case seat mount hoop
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage024.jpg

CheapJeep
06-28-2008, 10:39 PM
Added some more tube.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage043.jpg

Began working on a new dash. Used the bender to make the frame out of 1" tubing. Will post pics the final product when finished.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage049.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage048.jpg

uglyota
06-28-2008, 11:28 PM
I'm digging that!

RCcola55
06-29-2008, 03:41 AM
why not make the door bars tie directly into the a-pillar

AggieTJ2007
06-29-2008, 09:18 AM
looks good,

davido
06-30-2008, 09:46 AM
That's a lot of work. Pretty cool.

CheapJeep
07-08-2008, 10:20 PM
Mo progresso...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage050.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage056.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage054.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage051.jpg

CheapJeep
07-08-2008, 10:22 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage057.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage058.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage066.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage067.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage070.jpg

stx4wheeler
07-09-2008, 11:00 PM
looks good robbie you are doing some nice work.

robertf03
07-10-2008, 12:49 AM
cool, think you'll do the cowl that way? I seem to remember almost nailing that every time I took my 5 out.

DRAGOONRANCH
07-10-2008, 01:14 AM
When do you plan on having this thing back on the trail?

CheapJeep
07-10-2008, 07:17 PM
Thanks guys.

I'm going to leave the cowl alone. The main reason I made those panels was to clean up the holes in the rockers as well as the initial comp cut I made a year and a half ago.

The panels for the drivers side are on plus the bed panels are in. My last big order of parts came in yesterday and I picked up all the fuel fittings I need. It will be done by the end of the summer for sure.

CheapJeep
07-29-2008, 12:09 AM
With some time off work I'm beginning an allout wrenchfest to get it going.

Pics.

Cut and tapered the stock steering shaft to fit the PSC u-joint/shaft which I drilled/tapped for removal with 1/4 20 hardware.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage076.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage075.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage078.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage073.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage080.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage082.jpg

mudtoy67
07-29-2008, 06:58 AM
Cool! Where'd you get the tilt wheel setup?

DRAGOONRANCH
07-29-2008, 07:27 AM
same one I have, I believe.

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Adjustable-Steering-Column-p-1-c-1379.html

CheapJeep
07-29-2008, 10:20 AM
I bought the tilt column from PSC.

BMFScout
07-29-2008, 10:32 AM
Looks great so far Robbie, at least until you paint it some gay color again. ;)

CheapJeep
07-29-2008, 10:50 AM
Thanks, don't worry there will be no more grave digger colors. I'm set on the light blue and silver paint scheme.

BMFScout
07-29-2008, 11:42 AM
Silver Bullet. I like it, smooth AND refreshing.

CheapJeep
07-30-2008, 02:01 AM
Dropped off driveshaft parts/measurements at Houston Driveshaft, should be done tomorrow. Changed out steering wheel quick release to the PSC one and painted stuff while I was at it. Hooked up tie rod/drag link. Drilled out steering box, used my grandad's drill press from the 1940's. Worked on running fuel lines and plumbing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage085.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage089.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage090.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage087.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage094.jpg

DRAGOONRANCH
07-30-2008, 02:37 AM
That motah looks mean in there. I haven't seen an old atlas like that since I was a kid the machine shop my grandad worked at. -pimp-

CheapJeep
07-31-2008, 03:33 AM
The last few days out in the shop have been way hot during the day so I've started working on it at night when it's cooler.

Pulled the saginaw box completely apart, tapped it, and got it back together without losing any ball bearings. Getting them back inside the worm gear/piston wasn't too bad. Steering and hydro assist is all hooked up. Did some more work on the 383.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage096.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage101.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage109.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage104.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage108.jpg

DRAGOONRANCH
07-31-2008, 04:39 AM
I am interested to see how you like those heims. When the ram pushes and pulls, my tierod likes to flop (like the yellow arrows in the picture below) back and forth and cause the jam nuts to loosen and end up getting things in a bind if you don't stop and check it every once and a while. I have TRE's on mine and they allow for a lot of rotational movement. I have tried everything except tacking the jam nut to the tierod. I have used big wrenches and put some 'patented Big Ed torque' on 'em to no avail. :(

JeepPhisherman
07-31-2008, 07:10 AM
That's why it's a good idea to mount the ram parrallel to the tie rod.

DRAGOONRANCH
07-31-2008, 07:32 AM
I don't have any good pictures of mine, but it is closer to parallel than robbie's.

BMFScout
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
That's why it's a good idea to mount the ram parrallel to the tie rod.

Captain Obvious to the rescue!!!:flipoff2: Mine is as parallel as possible, still has rotated it once. I just tightened the **** out of it, hasn't been that bad.

AggieTJ2007
07-31-2008, 08:31 PM
ed's is Parallel to maybe 5 degrees about parallel but the TRE's just allow for two much flex.

Looks great Robbie but I could swear that you watched me build Ed's dash, there is a striking similarity

uglyota
07-31-2008, 10:04 PM
Picked up the new crawl mag and the Ballistic steering arms are pimp. This rig needs a set of those.

sasquatch
08-01-2008, 02:20 AM
tighten the jam nuts. **** wont rotate

DRAGOONRANCH
08-01-2008, 02:31 AM
I have used big wrenches and put some 'patented Big Ed torque' on 'em to no avail. :(


tighten the jam nuts. **** wont rotate


Hello, McFly....

You been reading long??? :rolleyes:

sasquatch
08-01-2008, 02:32 AM
Hello, McFly....

You been reading long??? :rolleyes:

i don't waste my time with reading ****

DRAGOONRANCH
08-01-2008, 02:34 AM
no *****. i don't waste my time.

yes, with all the upgrading, patching and just general webmastering you do, I am sure you have very little of it.... :rolleyes:


:blackflipoff2:

sasquatch
08-01-2008, 02:48 AM
i kno2 im lazy

DRAGOONRANCH
08-01-2008, 02:56 AM
yes, with all the upgrading, patching and just general webmastering you do, I am sure you have very little of it.... :rolleyes:


[color=#1a1a1a]:blackflipoff2:[ /color]


i kno2 im lazy


i was just bustin your big drunk balls...

:flipoff2:

JeepPhisherman
08-01-2008, 07:24 AM
Captain Obvious to the rescue!!!:flipoff2:

I do what I can :gigem:

BMFScout
08-01-2008, 11:43 AM
What I did do on mine was rotate one TRE as far as it would go one way, and the opposite side the other way so it would minimize the movement before I cranked the jamnuts down. (Does that make sense?)

DRAGOONRANCH
08-01-2008, 12:57 PM
yes, makes perfect sense. I think I tried to do that but it was in the middle of the trail and it had been a long day so I don't think I got it exactly right. 40 more days and I will let you know how it goes. :gigem:

CheapJeep
08-05-2008, 01:52 AM
Driveshaft's are in. Made all the fuel lines and mounted the cell. Had to change over to an electric fuel pump due to motor mount clearance issues with the mechanical one. Moved the steering shaft through the firewall to clear the ps pump. Mounted the trans shifter. Working on mounting brake pedal assembly and running lines.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage116.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage117.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage118.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage113.jpg

CheapJeep
08-05-2008, 01:52 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage114.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage120.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/blink05/cage115.jpg

BMFScout
08-05-2008, 09:21 AM
those shifters look "different" than Sharpe's...

Sharpe
08-05-2008, 10:37 AM
Mine mo betta.

CheapJeep
08-05-2008, 02:30 PM
The trans shifter is a B&M street rod. Had to modify the mounting plate to fit the 4wd th350 but it turned out nicely.

73bronco
08-05-2008, 04:37 PM
hurry up and get this thing running. Jk, looks good

CheapJeep
08-06-2008, 01:47 AM
Built the radiator mounts and fuel cell safety straps, added adhesive rubber weatherstripping on the insides to keep from scratching up the cell and radiator. Made the fuel filter mount and finished modifying the last fuel line for the electric fp.

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CheapJeep
08-07-2008, 12:55 AM
Radiator mounted, fuel pump mounted, fuel lines run, battery box in.

More radiator mount tabs
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73bronco
08-07-2008, 01:24 PM
any reason your running an electric water pump?

agjohn02
08-07-2008, 01:26 PM
horsepower baby

Fredo
08-07-2008, 03:08 PM
I don't know if I'd put one on an offroad rig unless I had a backup pump to carry with me. I know on my camaro the electric water pump bit me in the ass once. Took it on the '03 Power Tour and after the radiator exploded and had to change it in a casino parking lot in Louisiana, I kept having issues with the pump blowing the fuse randomly. Well, I made it all the way back to Texas on the second fuse and thought nothing of it really. Just thought maybe it had overheated the pump when there wasn't any coolant in the system. Well, the next weekend I went out to Arlington to help a buddy work on his camaro and on the way back it took out the fuse and then after I tried to jumper the fuse holder to get home it took out the relay. That's when I knew the jig was up. So here I am, broke down in South Arlington in a pretty rough looking area of town with the sun going down. Not exactly the best place to be. Luckily I talked St.John into coming and getting me with the trailer and he got there before the Canadians that had been circling were able to do anything. Got the car home, took the pump off to find the seal between the impeller shaft and the motor went and the electric motor was full of water. I bought another CSR pump and was able to send that one in for a rebuild that cost like $75 and now I carry a spare in the trunk.

Really, they work great at keeping things cooled off, but definitely consider a spare.

73bronco
08-07-2008, 03:21 PM
I don't know if I'd put one on an offroad rig unless I had a backup pump to carry with me.

That would be my biggest concern, its not like you can walk into the auto parts store and pick up an electric pump like you could with any mechanical pump

BroncoJo
08-07-2008, 03:53 PM
looks sweet but I have to agree on the electric water pump being an area of worry. I have seen way to many fail on race cars that get very little run time.

Fredo
08-07-2008, 03:54 PM
Not to seem like I'm being critical, but why did you run the fuel lines like that? It looks like there is a spot in that body crossmember that they could easily pass through and be completely out of the way. I would also look into those rubber coated clamp hangers that you attach by using sheetmetal screws into the frame to support the lines as they run along the frame rail.

Sharpe
08-07-2008, 04:04 PM
Stak, electric water pump, BTF **** everywhere and you're still running a carb???

Fredo
08-07-2008, 04:16 PM
Stak, electric water pump, BTF **** everywhere and you're still running a carb???


I was going to save that one for when I saw him on the trail. :gigem:

Sharpe
08-07-2008, 04:26 PM
I went back and re-read the entire thread to make sure you specifically hadnt brought it up yet :laughing:

CheapJeep
08-07-2008, 07:24 PM
QUOTE=agjohn02;198797]horsepower baby[/QUOTE]

Yes. We run them on the drag cars no issues, replaced the one on the nova but it was over a decade old and had sat for quite awhile. Kind of like you said Fred, it bit you in the ass...once.;) Regardless, I have a spare. Funny that it's been on there for over a year and just now someone mentioned it.:confused:

The fuel lines are completely out of the way. There isn't enough space to run them along the top of the frame with the one crossmember you highlighted being the exception. Zip ties were the only thing handy last night though there are only 2 points at which they are zip tied to the frame, clamps would be cleaner.

CheapJeep
08-07-2008, 07:30 PM
Stak, electric water pump, BTF **** everywhere and you're still running a carb???

Yes, I'm still running a carb. It's not a bad thing. Everyone has their preferences, I mean for you "Vortec 8.1, fancy switches, and it's still all a pile of ****?"


I may go with fuel injection later on but for now I'm keeping the carb.

Fredo
08-07-2008, 07:30 PM
I wasn't against the electric water pump....I just said I suggested carrying a spare. The one on my camaro was like 5 years old and had logged quite a few miles and apparently was an older design because when I got it back it had a different impeller design and different seal.

CheapJeep
08-07-2008, 10:20 PM
Moving onward.

Connected trans shifter linkage, mounted "spin-on" oil filter adapter and filter, oil pressure sending unit, and pulled the pro cam mechanical fuel pump in exchange for a cover plate. Mounted brake pedal assembly, master cylinders, and prop valve.

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BMFScout
08-07-2008, 11:57 PM
QUOTE=agjohn02;198797]horsepower baby

Zip ties were the only thing handy last night though there are only 2 points at which they are zip tied to the frame, clamps would be cleaner.[/QUOTE]


cool zip tie trick I learned at the airport.

Run one zip tie around the two hoses like you have them. Tighten it almost all the way tight, but then run another one around that zip tie between the hoses. Then when you tighten them all down, they are together, but separated. Did that make sense? To attach it to the frame you could loop another one through the first two so it will hold it close to the frame but doesn't hold it against the frame. I can draw pictures if you need, keep hoses from rubbing against each other or against metal. Of course the adel clamps are ideal, but zip ties are good precaution in certain spots. Ok, sorry for the hijak, just thought it was a good place to interject that little tidbit.

Oh yeah, that carb is gay, great on a chevelle, crap on a heep. The electric water pump is not needed but bling. We've got a mini-ram that might be cool on there, not sure what we're going to use it on.

CheapJeep
08-09-2008, 01:43 AM
Ran the brake lines, need to pick up a couple of fittings tomorrow. Mounted the tail lights. Bent up the rear truss for the anti wrap setup.

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redcagepatrol
08-09-2008, 07:59 AM
why not drop the fuel cell down a little into the floor or move it to one side so you will have some room in the back? It's always nice to have that extra rom to transport stuff (dogs, icecheast, chairs, baby, etc...)

As for the icecheast, I'd buy one specifically for the Jeep like I did for Lynda's and make a nice mount for it. That's one thing that you'll always need to have with you on the trail...

Looking good!

DRAGOONRANCH
08-09-2008, 08:22 AM
why not drop the fuel cell down a little into the floor or move it to one side so you will have some room in the back? It's always nice to have that extra rom to transport stuff (dogs, icecheast, chairs, baby, etc...)

As for the icecheast, I'd buy one specifically for the Jeep like I did for Lynda's and make a nice mount for it. That's one thing that you'll always need to have with you on the trail...

Looking good!


Robbie, something you're not telling us??? :flipoff2:

Reckless
08-09-2008, 01:26 PM
Robbie, something you're not telling us??? :flipoff2:

That requires a woman:flipoff2: Did you sleep in sex ed in HS?

DRAGOONRANCH
08-09-2008, 11:10 PM
He has had some long hair lately so I was just wondering if I got confused, as I have known a few female 'Robbies'. :flipoff2:

CheapJeep
08-13-2008, 02:08 AM
why not drop the fuel cell down a little into the floor or move it to one side so you will have some room in the back? It's always nice to have that extra rom to transport stuff (dogs, icecheast, chairs, baby, etc...)

As for the icecheast, I'd buy one specifically for the Jeep like I did for Lynda's and make a nice mount for it. That's one thing that you'll always need to have with you on the trail...

Looking good!

Thanks. I'm planning on building an ice chest rack down the road. You can't really tell in the pics but there is enough room in between the seats and cell to fit my green igloo and tools. That's the main reason I made slant panels for the bed so I would have more space.

CheapJeep
08-13-2008, 02:19 AM
Finished up the brake lines. Snagged some rubberized metal clamps for the brake lines and fuel lines. Also picked up a trans/flywheel dust shield, chiney... Working on wrapping up the anti-wrap setup. Originally I was going to do a "traditional" anti-wrap bar but with the narrow frame there wasn't enough room between the d70 housing and perches for the brackets. I didn't want to have to weld on the nodular iron and mess with nickel rods. So instead I built a little different setup.

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CheapJeep
08-13-2008, 02:22 AM
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KrazyKarl02
08-13-2008, 07:15 AM
Brakes look nice, I noticed there is no loop right out of the master cylinder like on stock cars. Thoughts?

I would also watch where you put your welding ground. When I weld to an axle I put it as close to the place I am welding as possible.

mudtoy67
08-13-2008, 07:35 AM
Damn...with all that surface rust I'd think you were living on the beach...:eek:

I like the idea for the anti-wrap bars, except that it seems to me like you would have a lot of binding during flex. With your bars triangulated like that, I think you would be creating kind of a "roll center" like you see on a 4-link. The whole axle is going to want to pivot around the link mounts, and you'll be fighting sideways movement of the leaf springs. Make sense?

redcagepatrol
08-13-2008, 12:29 PM
I don't want this to sound bad, but have you ever thought about using a tube bender on the brake lines? You've got this sweet looking engine, sweet master cylinders etc... then you tie them all together with some rough looking hand bent lines? I little hand bender only cost like $6 and is really easy to use... Just a thought - it's those little details that end up making the rig look good - or ghetto:D

Here is Lynda's:
http://www.tamor.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6982&highlight=lynda&page=24

CheapJeep
08-13-2008, 01:41 PM
Thanks Scott, you're right. After going back and looking at the m.c. lines they look like arse and I rushed through it. I'm going to pick up a brake line bender and do it right.

I think I get what you're saying BDR. Hopefully I won't run into any binding issues but we'll just have to see. I would think with leaves you would have much less to worry about over straight up links.
The surface rust is ridiculous, everytime I open the shop there's more and more. Stupid humidity. I was sweating pretty bad during the middle of the day last week and leaned up against the tube fender. Came out later and it was already covered in rust.

Karl, I know what you're talking about and wasn't sure on whether or not to make loops in the lines. I see that mainly on power/booster brake setups not on manuals but I could be wrong. What are the loops helping, building pressure?
Also, when I was welding the truss on the axle I had the ground clamped on either side of the housing. The pic you see with the ground on the spring mount is from when I was tacking the link mount to the frame you see the link attached to.

JeepPhisherman
08-13-2008, 01:43 PM
Loops are just for volume.

robertf03
08-13-2008, 01:45 PM
loops are for body flex and movement.

JeepPhisherman
08-13-2008, 01:50 PM
****

RCcola55
08-13-2008, 04:00 PM
flem wins

agjohn02
08-13-2008, 04:42 PM
loops are for body flex and movement.

dang, i really wanted that little victory. that jeep phish guy is stoopid

agjohn02
08-13-2008, 04:43 PM
those are like a combination of feller's old anti-wrap and a panhard

CheapJeep
08-13-2008, 11:17 PM
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agjohn02
08-14-2008, 01:21 AM
cut those leaf springs in half and put two more links on it

redcagepatrol
08-14-2008, 07:43 AM
cut those leaf springs in half and put two more links on it

I was thinking the same thing - or remove the springs and add some coils... I think I know what Version III might look like...

I guess you were trying to use up your scrap tube?

CheapJeep
08-26-2008, 12:15 AM
Kept working on it up until Sunday when I came back to CS. Haven't taken any recent pics but much progress has been made.

Reran the fuel and brake lines using the rubberized metal hanger clamps, looks much better. Did a little pre-startup tuning on the motor gapping plugs, checking rockers, plug wire order, timing, etc. Installed radiator hoses and belts, replaced the power steering pump, bled the brakes, and added all the fluids.

Dad got his degree in electrical engineering so I enlisted his help for the wiring project which in turn he took over in full force... It's been pretty awesome just letting him do it his way and go all-out. Couldn't decide on how he wanted to go about the project and ended up with 5 Jegs boxes full of assortmented switch panels, harnesses, wiring, relays, etc... We went through all the possible setups and came to a final decision (should be a fun return order for the unused stuff). He finished up the wiring diagram the other night and we started working on it.

Reckless
08-26-2008, 12:40 AM
Sell them on here, i might be interested in some of the stuff.

AggieTJ2007
08-26-2008, 08:19 PM
show us the wiring diagram, I did Ed's truck with the KISS harness

DRAGOONRANCH
08-26-2008, 11:00 PM
show us the wiring diagram, I did Ed's truck with the KISS harness

Gene Simmons Approved!

CheapJeep
09-28-2008, 11:11 PM
The hurricane delayed dad's wiring project but we're starting to make progress. Made the new dash panel out of aluminum, worked on some wiring, and mounted the sliders this weekend.

Finally took some pics of some work I finished up before the semester began.

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CheapJeep
09-28-2008, 11:14 PM
More...

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New dash panel

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CheapJeep
09-28-2008, 11:17 PM
Dad's table of electrical...

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Overall...

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mudtoy67
09-28-2008, 11:24 PM
More...

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[/build]


:gigem:

CheapJeep
11-03-2008, 02:37 AM
Progress is starting to pickup again. Finish the wiring and paint are the last things to wrap up...

While looking at winches awhile back I showed dad the warn powerplant. He liked the idea of having a winch with oba for use on projects at home and around the ranch. We decided to get a warn hd powerplant on a multimount, then replace the solenoids on the m12000 and mount it on the BarnBurner.

Some pics of the dash work and electrical dad sent me from this weekend.

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redcagepatrol
11-03-2008, 08:37 AM
Dad's been busy...

Are those Zeus fittings around the edges?

BMFScout
11-03-2008, 09:06 AM
Dad's been busy...

Are those Zeus fittings around the edges?


??????


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CheapJeep
11-03-2008, 09:09 AM
Yeah they are Zeus', picked up a kit from Jegs. We use them on the drag cars with no real issues plus they are easy to replace. It will allow easy access to wiring behind the dash if I need to get back there.

redcagepatrol
11-03-2008, 09:11 AM
they look alot bigger than the ones that I used on the Patrol (for the plastic windshield that broke along time ago)

bburris
11-03-2008, 10:05 AM
It's Dzus, just like their inventor's name.

Sharpe
11-03-2008, 02:26 PM
Wtf is the big chrome box next to the steering column?

robertf03
11-03-2008, 02:58 PM
how often do you think you'll need to get behind the dash? once to wire it, maybe a second time to fix something wrong with the wiring or add a stereo?

redcagepatrol
11-03-2008, 03:07 PM
Wtf is the big chrome box next to the steering column?

I was wondering that also

Fredo
11-03-2008, 03:29 PM
Looks like an old school dash mounted turn signal switch.

CheapJeep
11-03-2008, 03:47 PM
Ding ding ding... Fred got it. Turn signal/hazard assembly. Yeah it's old school but it's functional.

Don't know how often I'll need access behind the dash but I like piece of mind knowing it's easy to get to and the look. Stereo and CB will go in the center console lock box I'm working on.

CheapJeep
11-17-2008, 04:39 PM
Talked to dad today. The jeep is headed for body work and paint on Wednesday. Should have it back late Friday then to the exhaust shop Saturday morning. Planning on having all the electrical finished and running by the end of the weekend.

73bronco
11-17-2008, 05:46 PM
***, getting some shiny new paint on it right before you take it to clayton