Mecca of Speed [Archive]

agjohn02

09-02-2007, 02:11 AM

About 9 months ago I heard that the professor that advises the FSAE race car team was planning on building a bike and taking it to Bonneville to try and set a land speed record after his retirement. I was surprised he hadn't told me about it and figured he had seen World's Fastest Indian and been tossing the idea around. Turns out, after talking to him he hadn't seen the movie and was serious about it. After promptly giving him a copy of the movie, I volunteered to help in any way I could.

For those that don't know him, this guy is the best teacher I've ever had and one hell of a guy to boot. You would never think he had a PhD in Mechanical Engineering, until he calculates the dynamic pressure gain at 100 mph on a subway napkin or the maximum attainable speed of a motorcycle given a certain horsepower on the side of a roll of masking tape, with no calculator mind you.

Anyhow, on with the build and trip, or some of it. I took as many pics as I had time to take.

Here's the link to all of the photos. If you want a large version of any of the pictures just click on them, twice, in this link (not the thread) or save the small version (in the thread) and send it to me and I will send the large one back to you.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007?page=1

agjohn02

09-02-2007, 02:22 AM

To cut to the chase and tell the ending before the beginning, we succeeded in setting a new land speed record in the A-G 100cc class. A is for special construction (all factory road race bikes are in this class) and the G is for gasoline (meaning you run their gas and they seal the tank after filling it).

Here's a screenshot from the SCTA-BNI (Southern California Timing Assoc. - Bonneville Nationals Inc.) website.

Second entry from the top:

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agjohn02

09-02-2007, 02:29 AM

In order to get the CR80 engine to fit in the RS125 chassis, some modification is required. The first pic shows where the kick starter boss interferes with the framerail on the chassis. This had to be cut off and sealed and the rear engine mount required some modification to align the countershaft sprocket with the rear sprocket.

The top sharpie line represents the chassis and the bottom line is where it needs to be cut.
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Cutting the boss off
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Modifying the rear mount
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agjohn02

09-02-2007, 02:51 AM

Once the boss was removed, it left a hole in the engine case that needed to be capped. In order to do this, Doc put the engine case on a copy machine and made a copy of the hole, I cut the shape out of paper, then glued the paper to a piece of sheet aluminum and cut it out with a bandsaw. Pretty nifty trick we figured out. The guy that did the welding is a wiz with a TIG and he says it was hard to weld. Either the coating on the engine doesnt come off cleanly or its dirty pot metal.

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Since the two halves have to seal together, we left enough hanging off the side so that I could face it flush with the rest of the sealing surface on the case.
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The oil fill plug was on the boss we cut off, so we had to make a new oil fill hole.
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Once everything was machined, it sealed up nicely.
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The rear bolt on the CR80 is larger than the rear bolt on the RS125. The CR80 uses this for a swingarm mount as well as an engine mount, where on the RS125, it is merely and engine mount. Ryan Bludau built a bushing for us.
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We also had to build new front engine mounts and torque rod, but I have no pictures of them. You'll have to take my word that they came out pimp.

agjohn02

09-02-2007, 03:06 AM

The radiator for the RS125 is big, much bigger than we needed. So, we cut down an unused radiator that we may or may not have found somewhere. I had a pic of the two or three radiators that we cut up, but it is MIA.

Here is the final cut down, replumbed, and rewelded radiator.
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Doc bought a really cool data acquisition system from a limey company called RaceTech. It has a data logger than has more inputs than any man needs, including GPS. From this you can map a course and get real time speed. We planned on logging speed, RPM, coolant temp, EGT, front wheel speed, and maybe dynamic pressure. With more time we could have done it but the Racetech system was very user unfriendly. We were getting most of the signals we needed, but we spent a couple late nights trying to get just the RPM signal. We tried several different techniques but none would work. So, we ended up borrowing a simpler more user friendly system to display coolant temp and RPM for the driver.

Boo, late night, day before you leave, frustration
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agjohn02

09-02-2007, 03:36 AM

After we got the bike running, but before we got the DAQ system on, we took it out to an undisclosed, local, abandoned airbase for a test run. There's a 1.4 mile runway that is active and well maintained that we reserved for some test time. Without a tach or coolant temp sensor, we kept it at part throttle. After we got the DAQ working we ran it up to 103 mph with the stock fairing in place.

Doc and his son, Scott, on the bike
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Scott riding wheelies on his Z50 (you'll see more of this later)
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Video of the first test ride
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Jackasic

09-02-2007, 08:15 AM

very cool, you guys did with 100cc's what people were need 500+ to achieve.

Seth

09-02-2007, 12:01 PM

riverside?

redcagepatrol

09-02-2007, 12:40 PM

ahh - Proffesor McDermitt. He is the coolest professor there! Car/ engine / truck guys are always cool :D

agjohn02

09-02-2007, 02:52 PM

After making a test run on Aug 7th, about one month after we started the build, we left CS at 5 am on Aug 8th. Drove until Farmington and spent the night there. We rolled into town and werent sure which town we were in, so we declared that a good time to stop (~15hrs). The next morning we headed out around 5 again and at breakfast in Moab, then continued on to Wendover (~10hrs from Farmington). If you go and have the time, I recommend driving, it's a long haul, but a cool drive. You see lots of country out there that you just dont see in Texas.

If you are still reading this and don't care about building stuff, going fast, or seeing other vehicles that go really fast,:rainbow: here's a field on sunflowers for you somewhere in Colorado between Farmington and Moab. It was about 30 mins after sunrise and they had all turned to face the rising sun.

edit: I just looked it up b.c I've been curious since I saw them.

Sunflowers in the bud stage exhibit heliotropism. At sunrise, the faces of most sunflowers are turned towards the east. Over the course of the day, they move to track the sun from east to west, while at night they return to an eastward orientation. This motion is performed by motor cells in the pulvinus, a flexible segment of the stem just below the bud. As the bud stage ends, the stem stiffens and the blooming stage is reached.

Sunflowers in the blooming stage are not heliotropic anymore. The stem has frozen, typically in an eastward orientation. The stem and leaves lose their green color.

The wild sunflower typically does not turn toward the sun; its flowering heads may face many directions when mature. However, the leaves typically exhibit some heliotropism.

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agjohn02

09-02-2007, 03:23 PM

We rolled into Wendover in the middle of the afternoon and went to set up our pit. A week or so before we left, we got word that the courses on the salt flats were flooded and they were in the process of making new ones farther out on "higher ground". Up until the day before we left, we werent sure if there was even going to be a speedweek this year. Turns out they werent kidding about the flooding. In order to get out onto the salt flats, you had to drive through about 8" of saltwater. Now I didnt taste it, but Im gonna bet that the salinity of this water puts the ocean to shame. It feels like committing a sin when you drive your truck out into this stuff for the first time, then you learn to block out the fact that this is all salt and its cool.

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We got a great pit spot on the front row. We could sit under our easy ups and watch all the racing.
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This was obviously not his truck. Hauling butt through the water and splashing it everywhere.
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After one trip out on the salt... wash often, lotsa quarters
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agjohn02

09-02-2007, 03:44 PM

After we got the pit set up, we went back into town and checked into our motel (more on this later). We then decided to check out the town. Now, you think Wendover is a sleepy little town, but what you don't realize is that its right on the Utah-Nevada border. As a matter of fact, you can clearly see the state line. The front doors to the two biggest casinos in town ARE the state line. The parking lots are actually in Utah. The Utah side is exactly what you expect. The Nevada side is exactly what you expect, except the casinos lining the street. They dont even have a Wal-Mart, but there are at least six big casinos with smaller ones scattered in. This includes a concert hall. This is yet another point in my life where I realized that God truely is a loving God. Not only had I made it to Wendover, Utah with no problems and was about to see the biggest spectacle in speed on Earth, but The Nuge, Uncle Ted, Terrible Ted, Sweaty Teddy, Deadly Tedly, The Great Gonzo, The Atrocious Theodocious, The Motor City Madman himself, Ted Nugent was playing TONIGHT!!!

Couple of things to notice about this picture. Firstly, the hardassed rocker/hunter/philosopher wailing on the star spangled axe in the foreground. Secondly, the plethora of weaponry displayed on stage behind him. Lastly, the abundance of TAMOR salutes on the backdrop, topped off by him riding a giant, rocket powered, severed hand giving a great big salute itself.
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Encore with a head dress! Notice the guitar he is playing.(this comes into play in the next picture)
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Now, in this picture, you might notice that Uncle Ted is holding up my personal two favorite weapons, a bow and an AR-15, but what I really want to you see is the aforementioned guitar with the previously flaming arrow sticking out of it. YEAH!
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I wonder if he needs another roadie? or a groupie maybe? :confused:

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redcagepatrol

09-02-2007, 07:33 PM

AWESOME!!!
I listened to the Nudge talk on a talk show while driving one day - he really is one interesting fellow - plenty of politics - gun rights NRA stuff. I think he has a book or two out :gigem:

agjohn02

09-03-2007, 01:06 AM

Doc had tried to find rooms in Wendover back in April and couldnt find a room within 90 miles of there. Another friend of mine that was going found rooms in Wendover so Doc made reservations there. The guy wanted to charge the credit card a month in advance and faxed a hand written contract with at least 7 grammatical mistakes on it back to him. On the way to Bonneville, we tried calling the motel for 2 days and they never answered. We were nervously laughing our butts off about it being a scam some kid was working out of his mom's basement and there really was no Western Ridge motel in Wendover. We were trying to figure out where all 9 of us were going to stay. We got there and sure enough it existed. We got checked in and this place is one of the biggest dives I've ever stayed in. You had to put a deposit in at the front desk to get a phone and you could only make 5 local calls a day with it. There were no air conditioners, only swamp coolers. They did not have alarm clocks in the rooms, etc. My dad and the rest of the crew came in a day later than we got there and I told him on the phone, "This place is so old Burt Munro probably stayed here. Well, turns out one of the guys coming up hadn't seen WFI so I brought it with me. I checked it to see where they stayed in the movie and sure enough this was the place. They used it because it is the actual place he stayed back in the day. Sweet!

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Room 165
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Gearhead61

09-03-2007, 01:44 AM

Dr. McDermott is a really cool guy. That's a great story you've got!

BMFScout

09-03-2007, 03:30 AM

I laughed my ass off about the Nuge, I want to see the rest next weekend. We had to get out of town today didn't have time. When he goes back next year to back up/break his own record I want to go.

agjohn02

09-03-2007, 09:37 AM

I laughed my ass off about the Nuge, I want to see the rest next weekend. We had to get out of town today didn't have time. When he goes back next year to back up/break his own record I want to go.

you had "cat scratch fever" and "stranglehold" on your voicemail. too bad you were too drunk to remember it. :flipoff2:

BMFScout

09-03-2007, 07:56 PM

I remember it, but it just sounded like noise

agjohn02

09-04-2007, 11:26 PM

We went through tech inspection on Friday with flying colors.

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The rest of the core team got there Friday evening and we started to race on Saturday.

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We ran a record qualifying run on Monday and backed it up Tuesday morning. The way it works is, you run all day until you make a pass faster than the current record. You then go to impound and have four hours to work on your vehicle. Your vehicle remains in impound overnight and first thing next morning, you back it up with another run. If the average of the two runs is greater than the existing record, you set a new one.

We ran in the "partially streamlined" (APS) class as well. We didn't have the aero to set a record in that one. I saw the bike that held the record and it's fairing was heavily modified from the stock one we were running. The fact that we beat the same guys record without a fairing tells me we had more power that him, but poorer aero. With more time we could have worked on it some, but alas you must leave something to do for next year. With some time in the wind tunnel and more time on the dyno, we will definately be back to up the ante next year.

As a spectator, I say go to Speedweek. It is big and there is a large variety of cars there. As a competitor, it sucked having to wait in line 3 hours to make a run. From what I hear, World Finals in Oct has fewer competitors and you don't have to wait so long to make a run. Bonneville is definately spectator friendly. You can walk through the pits and all up and down the side of the courses, about 300 yds from them. You can also walk through the starting lanes and stand right next to a vehicle as it leaves the line for a run.

agjohn02

09-04-2007, 11:36 PM

This is the three bike builders. Others helped though, Matt Howell with welding, Shaun Lide with data acquisition.

(R->L) Billy Wiese (engine builder, highly renowned race bike and 2-stroke tuner), Me, Dr. Make McDermott

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This is the whole group minus Doc and Matt Howell.
(R->L) Scott McDermott (Doc's son), Phil Tutt, Josh Tutt, Billy Wiese, Me, Shaun Lide, Larry Cox (my dad)
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I'll post up some of my favorite pictures, but most of them will be in the album when I get them up. I'll put the link in the first post.

agjohn02

09-04-2007, 11:51 PM

At the motel, cool guys, we stayed up late and drank beer
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Reckless

09-04-2007, 11:54 PM

John, I envy you. I know what im doing with my 1 week vacation next year.

agjohn02

09-05-2007, 12:26 AM

I stayed too busy most of the time to get to look at the stuff I wanted to.

Here's one example, shot this while driving to get in line to make a run. Saw him pass by the pit several times.

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This guy was banking
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This belongs to a guy Krebs and I know. His name is Hans and he's a MET graduate from A&M. He lives in Norway, i think, and came over to crew chief a car. The team he was on had several BAAAAD big blocks and were swapping engines out all week and setting records. He flew over, bought the truck in Tenn, trailered it to Houston, serviced it, then drove it from Houston to Bonneville. It seems that I'm the only person I know that thinks its cool. Even Hans only wanted it for the drivetrain. Its somewhere in Bryan now.
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agjohn02

09-05-2007, 12:35 AM

More of what I have dubbed, the "Ratpackard"

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Video of it running
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cool pic out on the salt
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agjohn02

09-05-2007, 12:49 AM

Anybody know where I can get a front right fender for my stude?

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I wanna do this... 193 mph last year. I don't know how much faster this year.
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agjohn02

09-05-2007, 01:07 AM

Blowfish
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Turbo'ed (BIG turbo) 4 banger, including at least one dropped valve, boo
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That's Troy Trepanier in the yellow shirt. He was talking business with someone so I didnt get a chance to speak to him. boo again.
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Cool thing about this pic is the glass is tinted. The flash just lit it up well enough inside to see. It had an interesting suspension set-up that we never truely figured out. Basically, a wishbone five link. Two LCA's, one UCA, and a wishbone with a sliding link. The front is a MacPherson strut.
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mudtoy67

09-05-2007, 08:40 AM

Very cool. Man, that bike is small! And the supercharged straight-8, that's just crazy! :)

Doug Krebs

09-05-2007, 09:43 AM

I thought Hans had a MEEN degree?

That old crapper panel RV is at my buddies shop in bryan along with 3 other cars Hans just bought. Him and his wife must bank it in norway.

Sharpe

09-05-2007, 09:50 AM

The fact that the exchange rate sucks for us cant hurt either...

agjohn02

09-05-2007, 09:50 AM

Scott told me MET, I'm not sure.

agjohn02

09-05-2007, 12:03 PM

That old crapper panel RV is at my buddies shop in bryan along with 3 other cars Hans just bought.

I can't believe you don't want to buy it, put a cummins in it and make a tow rig out of it....I kinda want to.

Doug Krebs

09-05-2007, 01:54 PM

I can't believe you don't want to buy it, put a cummins in it and make a tow rig out of it....I kinda want to.

It looks good from far away, but get up close and you'll see a lot of nastiness! Maybe he'd make you a package deal he's got that panel and a 97 Dodge 3500 2wd with an NV4500 sitting up at the shop.

agjohn02

09-05-2007, 02:14 PM

It looks good from far away, but get up close and you'll see a lot of nastiness! Maybe he'd make you a package deal he's got that panel and a 97 Dodge 3500 2wd with an NV4500 sitting up at the shop.

Like this you mean? It just needs a little Krebstomization.

Doug Krebs

09-05-2007, 02:16 PM

Like this you mean? It just needs a little Krebstomization.
Looks like it's had way too much! :laughing:

agjohn02

09-06-2007, 01:50 AM

More studes. I was hoping my buddy Jack Chisenhall would be there with "A Cool 200" but he must have pussed out.
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agjohn02

09-06-2007, 02:37 AM

This thing was cool. Model A B head engine with a blower.

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Here's a video they put on Youtube. Pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk3NL_uFpGQ

His blog. Nice guy, btw.
http://bellytank.blogspot.com/

Their record? 104.xx and one of the most popular cars there.

BMFScout

09-06-2007, 08:21 AM

that tanker is so badass.

agjohn02

09-06-2007, 12:02 PM

that tanker is so badass.
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Sharpe

09-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Dude wtf is the story on this thing? Are those three seperate side output engines?

agjohn02

09-06-2007, 12:16 PM

Yep, kinda like this.

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Seth

09-06-2007, 03:44 PM

that scooter thing is saweet

Graystroke

09-06-2007, 04:04 PM

agjohn02

09-06-2007, 04:15 PM

he's married and recently had a son. his name is Thor or something equally Norwegian.

Fredo

09-06-2007, 04:25 PM

grayson, what was that guy's name who used to show up to the cruise nights in CS that had that nasty sounding amc?

Graystroke

09-06-2007, 04:25 PM

John did you see any studebaker powered cars...there are usually a couple of Avantis out there...I know of one 304 ci avanti running EFI and 40 lbs of boost via twin turbos...makes about 1200hp...driver reported the tires breaking loose at 180+ mph causing him to have and ease in/out of the throttle. He averaged 223 mph. the next day he split his chilled water intercooler. I've alway thought this avanti was bad ass. note the exhaust dump in front of the wheel. this one set a new stock car record. it was running an original type ball drive paxton from the sixties to qualify for the class...I think it took him three years to break it....204 mph.

Here's a list of the Avanti records set in 1962 and 1963...hard to believe these speeds were reached back then in a stock Avanti...probably on bias ply tires too.

A Studebaker Avanti R-3 driven by Andy Granatelli at Bonneville shattered 29 U.S. records in 12 hours in 1962: American class "C" Flying Start; 1 mile—168.15 mph; 5 mile—167.82 mph; 10 mile—163.90. American class "C" Standing Start; 1 mile—92.03 mph; 5 mile 139.69; 10 mile—151.66 mph. All 29 records are the average speeds of a 2 way run, and are not the top speeds obtained. Granatelli came back that year with his R3 to score 170.78 mph, and broke five other Class C marks. Altogether twelve Studebakers smashed 337 different USAC records in six classes. Production R-1 models listed 0-60 mph times of about 10.5 seconds, the standing-start quarter-mile in 17.0 seconds at about 80 mph, and top speeds of 115-120 mph.

I've alway thought this avanti was bad ass. note the exhaust dump in front of the wheel. this one set a new stock car record. it was running an original type ball drive paxton from the sixties to qualify for the class...I think it took him three years to break it....204 mph.here's a link :
http://www.aoai.org/bonville.htm

Doug Krebs

09-06-2007, 04:29 PM

I know Hans... There use to be a Classic Car Club back in 'ol Army days. Mostly muscle cars when everyone could still halfway afford them in the 93-97 days. He had a lot of cars...like a whole warehouse full of them down in Bastrop I think. He had a 9 sec small block camaro, some ratty crossfire injected corvette that would surprise a lot of people, a 3/4 70-72 checy LWB p/u w/ 400 BB and 4.56's! rackin some serious RPMS at 55mph. just a few that I recall...I think he inherited money from his Dad. I think he passed early on, maybe while he was in HS/college? and had a lot of property in Norway and a good life insurance policy..that was the story anyway...Is he married? I think his woman is one of my buddies ex's. Does she have a big snake tatted on her shoulder/neck?

6 degrees of Grayson.. :D He may remember my car I drove back then....Black 1959 Studebaker Lark HT...I think I blew up my axle racing him off Greens prairie road

I've only talked to him a few times as he is in norway. He's got money somehow... He just bought 3 30's era cars. He used to own a rod shop near houston somewhere before he moved to norway. They wanted to raise their kids for few years in norway and then move back here.

I've never met his wife... I know she is from norway and came over here for college or something similar.

My neighbor down the street is a very good friend of his, and picks up all the cars he buys off of ebay, and stores them.

There old storage lot was in La Grange. He just bought a couple acres in anderson for that purpose.

Graystroke

09-06-2007, 04:31 PM

grayson, what was that guy's name who used to show up to the cruise nights in CS that had that nasty sounding amc?
Jr?
there was one guy that had a pacer and he trailered it out to where we raced on hwy 50. it had wheelie bars and 15" wide tires! Is this the guy...he was just some older dude from Bryan. We always met at a place across from Kroger. It use to be Redline Burger. We filled the Bank Parking lot and the burger joints....This was back when Hondas and anything w/ fewer than 8 cylinders was not cool...w/ the exception of a GN of course :gigem:

Graystroke

09-06-2007, 04:45 PM

I've never met his wife... I know she is from norway and came over here for college or something similar.

Different girl then..I think this girl was half from Mexico.

agjohn02

09-06-2007, 05:03 PM

John did you see any studebaker powered cars...there are usually a couple of Avantis out there...

Poteet's got one of everything...

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jerryg79

09-06-2007, 05:42 PM

Jr?
there was one guy that had a pacer and he trailered it out to where we raced on hwy 50. it had wheelie bars and 15" wide tires! Is this the guy...he was just some older dude from Bryan. We always met at a place across from Kroger. It use to be Redline Burger. We filled the Bank Parking lot and the burger joints....This was back when Hondas and anything w/ fewer than 8 cylinders was not cool...w/ the exception of a GN of course :gigem:

me and karl went once or twice with weatherford/russel in his mustang.

Once we couldnt find sandy point (or where ever it was they used to race) and once russel's vacuum pump took a shat.

The ricers used to set up in the kroger parking lot, and i of course felt the need to heckle them along with everyone else.

Graystroke

09-07-2007, 12:31 AM

Anybody know where I can get a front right fender for my stude?

try http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/
search the classified section

BMFScout

09-07-2007, 12:34 AM

An Avanti is on my list of (I'll never get around to) building. I think a Pro Touring Avanti with an LS-whatever motor would be the ****.

agjohn02

10-11-2007, 06:00 PM

I've still got a bunch of pictures to add here but just been too busy to take the time.

Here's a Boeing Newsletter article about the guy that had the record we set.

http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2003/march/i_people1.html

agjohn02

11-13-2007, 07:54 PM

http://app.bronto.com/public/?q=message_preview&fn=Key&type=tracking&id=anezgfpfljlbxpvcvmdwvldxrhddbek&link=ahqvfbxaxowzabryepqhwhyqldrmbfk

http://engineering.tamu.edu/news/story/?p_news_id=1611

Graystroke

11-13-2007, 08:22 PM

:gigem: Good job, john

If I get a copy of the magazine will you autograph it?

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

BMFScout

11-14-2007, 01:49 PM

"If you know somebody that's willing to tow the trailer up there, we'll put their name on the bike."

Now we know how John really got in the record books! :flipoff2:

Congrats that is badass!

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 11:33 AM

That's right folks, I still pray to the Northwest three times a day.

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 11:40 AM

Trucks on salt

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agjohn02

11-27-2007, 11:48 AM

Streamliners R cool

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345mph on 4 cylinders
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agjohn02

11-27-2007, 12:01 PM

front wheel drive makes a lot of sense at Bonneville, when you spin the tires, it stays straight
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/DSCF0232.sized.jpg

RWD, this guy spun at 220mph
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agjohn02

11-27-2007, 12:18 PM

Videos! Click the link below the picture, then click the picture of the movie projector.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1046_001.jpg
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1046

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http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1188

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http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1193

Seth

11-27-2007, 01:56 PM

number 11 is badass. the trailers are interesting. and the truck are way cool. how does 204 see, and whats his rear end tire setup? how about the trans in the front driver?

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 04:28 PM

number 11 is badass. the trailers are interesting. and the truck are way cool. how does 204 see, and whats his rear end tire setup? how about the trans in the front driver?

i dont know what #11 is.

you dont need to see forward very much, just the black lines on either side of you. our rider never looked forward while making a pass. he kept his head tucked and looked down and right. the rear end is probably a narrowd 9" with skinnies.

im sure the front driver is just a normal drivetrain turned backwards with a flipped axle in the front. i dont know which end steers... but the rear doesnt appear to have any linkage on it.

and before grayson chimes in and talks about how unstable rear steer is, the Thrust SSC was rear steer.

Seth

11-27-2007, 04:30 PM

my bad - i meant the video - #111 - the one of the engine running.

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 04:35 PM

More Videos!

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1210_001.jpg
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1210

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http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1361

BMFScout

11-27-2007, 04:38 PM

Grayson is a fan of rear steer these days, it's Jerry that things its dumb. I think Jerry's dumb! :)

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 04:44 PM

Remember this from page one?

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_0904.sized.jpg

Well, how about this?

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/saltwheelie.jpg

Scott left the pit to head down to the starting line before we did. With a top speed of about 30 mph on the Z50, we caught up to him during the 3 mile drive. I held up my camera and said "Do a wheelie!"

Here's the video.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1458

jerryg79

11-27-2007, 04:46 PM

im following flem's theory of making my board experience more pleasurable so i have no idea what you're talking about jimmy.

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 04:48 PM

Grayson is a fan of rear steer these days, it's Jerry that things its dumb. I think Jerry's dumb! :)

im following flem's theory of making my board experience more pleasurable so i have no idea what you're talking about jimmy.

You're right Jimmy!

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 05:05 PM

I don't know if they were there shooting for American Hotrod or what, but these guys were doing low, slow passes over the race line.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1474.sized.jpg

Video
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1482

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agjohn02

11-27-2007, 05:27 PM

Still More!

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http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1545

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http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1576

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 06:19 PM

bada bing

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http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1688

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 07:54 PM

Last videos

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1689_001.jpg
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1689

This is from the top of a mountain that lies between Wendover and the Salt Flats. It was right behind our motel and there was a narrow service road leading to a radio antennae at the top. It was a slightly hairy drive in a four door truck with a camper shell on the back. 4wd needed.

The first 12 seconds are sweeping over the Salt Flats in the distance.

At around 12 seconds, you can begin to see Wendover Airfield, where fighter and bomber crews trained during WWII. Mostly flying B-24's and P-47's. The large hanger in the center of the screen at 14 seconds is called the Enola Gay hanger. This is where the Enola Gay was stored. Somewhere on the airfield is the pit where mock-ups of the atomic bomb "Little Boy" were loaded onto the plane during training. The Enola Gay flew from Wendover to Guam, then on to Tinian Island in the Pacific where it would meet up with the USS Indianapolis which transported the actual bomb. The Indy would later be sunk by a Japanese submarine and many of her surviving crew would die as a result of shark attacks as they floated in the Pacific awaiting rescue. The Enola Gay would continue on to Hiroshima, Japan and smite our enemy.

At around 20 seconds you are looking down main street Wendover. The first high rise buildings you see in the distance are the state line. West Wendover, Nevada is full of casinos yet lacks even a Wal-Mart.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1695_001.jpg
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/100_1695

Here is a model of the bomb loading pit in the airfield museum.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010014.sized.jpg

Here is the hanger up close at sun set.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/atomichanger.sized.jpg

This is the first run of our two necessary to set the record.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/record_run_1_001.jpg
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/Speed-Week-2007/record_run_1

agjohn02

11-27-2007, 07:58 PM

i added screenshots to all the videos so you can tell what you are getting into before you wait for the download.

Graystroke

11-27-2007, 09:41 PM

john, was there a lot of reaction to y'all's little weedeater bike? were people shocked at how it performed?

Seth

11-27-2007, 09:43 PM

I looked at the area on a sat map just now, wow, i never realized how big the area is.

Graystroke

11-27-2007, 09:55 PM

was that ford truck they used a big POS? it was smoking like it was hauling 15,000 lbs when it really was probably pushing 3k at the most.

Graystroke

11-27-2007, 10:00 PM

that helicopter had the best view. it could actually see the cars at speed close up. did they get any video of the bike?

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 01:15 AM

john, was there a lot of reaction to y'all's little weedeater bike? were people shocked at how it performed?

Yeah, surprisingly much. Lots of people stopped by to see what we had and people in the next class up who are VERY serious about their record setting were impressed at the rookies I think. We saw the guy who's record we broke the morning we were backing it up and he seemed surprised. He told us his partially streamlined record was very hard to break and that we shouldnt even be attempting to break it. We came within 1.5-2 mph of it and with his aero fairing instead of the factory one we were running, we would have broken it.

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 01:33 AM

I looked at the area on a sat map just now, wow, i never realized how big the area is.

Speaking of which... I checked it out on Google Earth a while back.

Here's the mountain behind our motel looking towards the Salt Flats to the East. You can see the service road coming up the left (north) side of it. The red mark is where we were standing.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/wendoverlook3.sized.jpg

Here is the view toward the Flats in Google Earth and real life from that same spot.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/wendoverlook2.sized.jpg
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010104.sized.jpg

and toward town

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agjohn02

11-28-2007, 01:35 AM

that helicopter had the best view. it could actually see the cars at speed close up. did they get any video of the bike?

Now that I think about it, I think the helo was there filming the Ford Fusion hydrogen powered 200 mph car. I didn't see them filming anything but that actually running.

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 01:47 AM

Grayson, name them.

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CheapJeep

11-28-2007, 06:04 AM

49 Ford in the first pic.

Fredo

11-28-2007, 09:20 AM

second one is a hudson, 48?

last one kinda looks like a lincoln.

Anything newer than 39 and older than 55 I am always just guessing at.

Graystroke

11-28-2007, 09:33 AM

what they said. last one is bad ass!

Graystroke

11-28-2007, 09:34 AM

Yeah, surprisingly much. Lots of people stopped by to see what we had and people in the next class up who are VERY serious about their record setting were impressed at the rookies I think. We saw the guy who's record we broke the morning we were backing it up and he seemed surprised. He told us his partially streamlined record was very hard to break and that we shouldnt even be attempting to break it. We came within 1.5-2 mph of it and with his aero fairing instead of the factory one we were running, we would have broken it.
so you are saying you could have set two records?
Note to self: bring aero body kit next year to set two records instead of one.

Graystroke

11-28-2007, 09:43 AM

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 11:34 AM

so you are saying you could have set two records?
Note to self: bring aero body kit next year to set two records instead of one.

We could have set 4 with a little more than a month of preparation. There are two aero records, fuel and gas, and the same two non-aero records. We set the non-aero gas record and didnt have time to go for the non-aero fuel record because we tried for the aero records first.

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 11:37 AM

did you do the math of what it would take hp vs drag coeficient to get those 1.5-2 mph? is there a rule of thumb kinda deal for hp vs frontal area vs drag. kinda like 1 sq in = x hp @ x mph? I was never good at numbers, just ideas :D

also is it true that a flat front w/ rounded corners is fairly aerodynamic? vs. just square. my Dad always said that the stude lark was fairly aero for as boxy as it was b/c of its rounded corners all the way around. do the corners make a huge difference?I think the factory R2 (paxton supercharged 289 ci) cars did 132-140 mph in 1962.

I left all the calculation stuff to the PhD. I just built it, but yes he did all that.

Corners do make a big difference. They allow much less separation of the air. You can look at separation as a vacuum pulling back on the car. I would get more into it but I've got a math quiz to study for...

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 05:53 PM

coupes N such

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CheapJeep

11-28-2007, 06:06 PM

Sweet pics. Looks like one hell of a trip. :gigem:

Anyone else notice the old Texas plate in the first pic?

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 06:19 PM

Sweet pics. Looks like one hell of a trip. :gigem:

Anyone else notice the old Texas plate in the first pic?

Thats the team from Houston's push car that the guy Hans that Doug and I know was with.

Here's a couple of their many engines. They had a 9200 rpm big block and 9800 rpm small block. I forgot the name of the team but it was "something funny" engineering. I asked the guy what kind of work the company did and he said, "Ah, its just a company I made up so I could write all this stuff off." Basically, they have one 200 mph car thats set up to be easy to drive and charge big bucks for rich people to go to Bonneville and go 200mph. They were swapping engines in and out of the race car constantly and setting records left and right.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010034.sized.jpg

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010036.sized.jpg

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 06:24 PM

How's this for Texas representin'?

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010058.sized.jpg

mudtoy67

11-28-2007, 06:56 PM

Very cool stuff. WTF is going on here?

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1326.sized.jpg

Reckless

11-28-2007, 06:59 PM

Very cool stuff. WTF is going on here?

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1326.sized.jpg

Ive heard of a Hemi OHV conversion on a flat head V8. but thats defantly interesting.

Seth

11-28-2007, 07:03 PM

why the different valve covers? is that part of the injection setup?

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 07:04 PM

WTF is going on here?

Wish I could tell ya!

I walked up and talked to the guy. I asked what he had there and he said, "That engine was built by xxxxx xxxxx and it's all original" so matter of factly that I felt ashamed that I didnt recognize the name. I got the impressed that xxxx xxxxx was an old time land speed racer and the guy was pretty short with me so I left it at that.

Let's see who can point out the oddest feature on it.

Reckless

11-28-2007, 07:19 PM

The hose running into the valve cover. Looks like a coolant hose.

Reckless

11-28-2007, 07:24 PM

Here is the Ardun OHV flathead convesion website. It may shine some light onto the engine's design.

http://www.ardun.com/index.html

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 07:28 PM

The hose running into the valve cover. Looks like a coolant hose.

Rowdy, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. :flipoff2:

we pretty much established the head difference. you could have been more precise though.

thanks for playing!

BMFScout

11-28-2007, 07:35 PM

what's ****ing with my head is it looks to be only a 4 cylinder. It looks to have a smallblock head on that side?
I think it's a SBC with a flathead cover on that side to **** with me.

Reckless

11-28-2007, 07:36 PM

No ****, i see the other coolant hose left of the timing cover. Unless that hose is coming from an aux vaccum pump for negative crankcase pressure, then why in the hell does it have pipe and pipe fittings? I understand going for broke but damn.

robertf03

11-28-2007, 07:36 PM

why the different valve covers? is that part of the injection setup?

I like the drivers side header myself

BMFScout

11-28-2007, 07:37 PM

I'm lost and I should be catching up on work, but instead I've been staring at this clusterfawk for the past 20 minutes. I'm going home.

robertf03

11-28-2007, 07:42 PM

I'm lost and I should be catching up on work, but instead I've been staring at this clusterfawk for the past 20 minutes. I'm going home.

my wild ass guess is its some sort of internal "supercharger" with a crazy double lobed cam and valve setup for the left bank and that the plugs and wires are just for show.

agjohn02

11-28-2007, 07:55 PM

hint: who made the best 175 c.i. four cylinder ever?

robertf03

11-28-2007, 08:16 PM

hint: who made the best 175 c.i. four cylinder ever?

I thought that at first, but why would they mess with a finned faux cylinder head? Is it air cooled and the other 4 cylinders are the pump?

Seth

11-28-2007, 08:29 PM

I don't have enough trivial engine knowledge to tell you what it is, but this is what I notice. No plug wires on pass side. Blocked off thermostat mount. Weird linkage and hose where water pump "should" be. No header on drivers side. what appears to be two cast iron pipe fittings.

Seth

11-28-2007, 08:32 PM

the exhaust is on the side without plugs...

mudtoy67

11-28-2007, 09:31 PM

I'm gonna go ahead and mention some observations, even though it seems John is just toying with us. :flipoff2:

The braided hose with the throttle cable where the water pump should be is probably a cam driven fuel pump.

It does look like the passenger side is water cooled, with one hose connected to the original water pump port on the passenger side and then the "Rowdy hose" just below the valve cover in the head is the water outlet. I've seen this done before on some race cars.

I think there are spark plug wires going to the passenger side, you just can't see them because they are behind the injectors and the valve cover.

My overall guess, partly from John's hint, is it's a 350 smallblock that's been converted to run on the passenger side four cylinders for some unGodly reason (I guess to be "original", but why would you want the extra weight?) and the flathead is just there to cover the empty holes on the driver side.

Thank you, good night.

edit:I could maybe see running only four cylinders so that he could fit into a four cylinder class....but still you've got half of a smallblock chevy riding around with you as dead weight.

Graystroke

11-28-2007, 11:10 PM

well, the flat head looks to be stuck on top of an aluminum head on the pass side.
are the exhust headers shoved through the block or something.
I know, it's a Rube Goldberg designed engine!
I'll look again.

Graystroke

11-28-2007, 11:17 PM

that engine is dumb...reminds me of karl's Dad's hit and miss motors...probably makes a lot of noise and no power.

agjohn02

11-29-2007, 12:42 PM

I'm gonna go ahead and mention some observations, even though it seems John is just toying with us. :flipoff2:

...

My overall guess, partly from John's hint, is it's a 350 smallblock

...

Right on! GM made the best 175 ci 4 bangers ever, they just sold them in pairs.

Notice the mounting plate for the drivers side of the manifold that also blocks the coolant crossover in the manifold. At first glance from the drivers side I thought, "Cool, how did he get chevy fuel injection on that flathead?" Then I noticed the plate, the lack of exhaust and then the oddities started pouring in. The SBC head and valve cover and the distributor is in the wrong place. Then it dawned on me that he just capped the empty side with a flathead and put on faux wires.

The "Rowdy hose" is a crankcase vent, but you are referring to the correct hose for cooling. Theres no coolant crossover to the other side due to the lack of a water pump and the blockoff plate, so he tapped a hole into the head to circulate coolant through only one side of the engine.

Weight is of no real concern at Bonneville since you have a mile to get up to speed. As for how it runs, I never heard it, but its one way to get SBC power in a smaller displacement class, that's for sure.

One thing it took me a second to figure out was why the driver's side throttle body linkage was hooked up, then I realized the passenger side is connected to the driver's side so he just operates both of them but no air flows through the driver's side TBs.

Fredo

11-29-2007, 12:57 PM

Fredo

11-29-2007, 01:02 PM

John, what was the builder's name? Did you XXX it out because you couldn't remember, or you didn't want people using google to try and figure out the motor?

robertf03

11-29-2007, 01:03 PM

Here's what I want to know. Obviously you wouldn't want to run connecting rods and pistons on the side not doing anything, so riddle me this. Is it a custom made crank that only has provisions for 4 connecting rods, and oiling for only 4 rods? Or do you think he took a normal crank and built some sort of crank sleeves to go where the other 4 connecting rods would be on the crank to take up the space and cover the oiling holes to allow it to oil the other 4 rods?

I don't think spacers would be that big of a deal. 2 connecting rod caps bolted together would probably be close enough tolerances to act as a spacer

I might be missing something, but wouldn't this be an oddfire?

0=====1
90
180
270===3
360
450===5
540===7
630

Graystroke

11-29-2007, 01:28 PM

I'm sure he reconfigured the timing...right?

mudtoy67

11-29-2007, 02:16 PM

I don't think spacers would be that big of a deal. 2 connecting rod caps bolted together would probably be close enough tolerances to act as a spacer

I might be missing something, but wouldn't this be an oddfire?

0=====1
90
180
270===3
360
450===5
540===7
630

The cam could be custom made to change where each cylinder fires (you could only swap between it's stock position and 360° out), though I couldn't come up with anything that didn't have two cylinders firing right next to each other.

Here's a thought I had though....I got to thinking what 4 bangers GM made that were similar, and found the old 2.5L GM Iron Duke (151cu in). Evidently these were based on an older pontiac 301 V8 engine....same bore and stroke only with half the cylinders. The head of the Iron Duke and the SBC are swappable, so I wouldn't be surprised if general motors kept similar dimensions for other components of the Iron Duke. I can't find any specs on the crank itself, but I have come across some racing engine manufacturers that refer to the crank journal diameter of the Iron Duke in their V8 and LS1 applications. If the journals are the correct distance apart, I bet he just threw in an Iron Duke crank. :lightbulb:

agjohn02

11-29-2007, 02:51 PM

John, what was the builder's name? Did you XXX it out because you couldn't remember, or you didn't want people using google to try and figure out the motor?

I Xed it because I didnt recognize it and therefore don't remember it.

I know nothing of the firing order or crank, but yes, I think spacers would suffice to make it work with a stock crank. How well? I dont know. He's probably not too worried about NVH.

He may not be into record setting. He might just be out there to run vintage stuff and have fun.

Fredo

11-29-2007, 02:58 PM

I don't think spacers would be that big of a deal. 2 connecting rod caps bolted together would probably be close enough tolerances to act as a spacer

I might be missing something, but wouldn't this be an oddfire?

0=====1
90
180
270===3
360
450===5
540===7
630

I don't know flem, but what I do know is our idea for our drug running IH engine is looking smarter and smarter! :gigem:

robertf03

11-29-2007, 03:10 PM

yes, it's now a race proven design

agjohn02

11-30-2007, 07:01 PM

Bikes!

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1354.sized.jpg

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This is a 125cc team that is very serious about their record setting. I think their record was ~135mph.
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This bike belongs to the guy that previously held the record we set. He was there running in a different class. He threatened to get his 100cc bike out of the trailer and try to beat us after we bumped the record but he chickened out I guess. I think the told us that this is the same fairing he ran on the 100cc aero record bike.
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Sharpe

11-30-2007, 07:10 PM

The differences in the trailers between those first two make me giggle :laughing:

agjohn02

11-30-2007, 07:13 PM

Kiwi Shaggin' Wagon

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agjohn02

11-30-2007, 07:26 PM

More of the Charger from Hell (Texas actually)

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agjohn02

11-30-2007, 07:47 PM

Category- "other"

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1187.sized.jpg

600 cc's of 98 mph, air cooled fury
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1200.sized.jpg

Where are the heads, Rowdy?
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Adam West?
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1341.sized.jpg

88 mph?
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1444.sized.jpg

Yes, Brandon, gay people land speed race too.
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/IMG_3436.sized.jpg

I like the name of the shop.
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agjohn02

11-30-2007, 07:56 PM

Modern American muscle

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1226.sized.jpg

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010017.sized.jpg

agjohn02

11-30-2007, 08:01 PM

Definately not pump gas

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010055.sized.jpg

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010056.sized.jpg

agjohn02

11-30-2007, 08:10 PM

It's good for the environment and fast (207 mph, I think) and it only weighs 6000lbs.

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/100_1488.sized.jpg

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agjohn02

11-30-2007, 08:21 PM

KC-135 doing touch and go's from atop the mountain. See the puffs of tire smoke?

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1010115.sized.jpg

Sitting on the tarmac at the airfield. Name the movie that was filmed there.
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/P1020020.sized.jpg

hints:
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/jailbird.jpg

http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/marshal.jpg

Seth

11-30-2007, 08:39 PM

con air?

Seth

11-30-2007, 08:40 PM

for the record, that was a random guess, and it i didn't see the edit when i responded.

Graystroke

11-30-2007, 09:59 PM

that 20k bike is on a $5 trailer

DRAGOONRANCH

11-30-2007, 11:49 PM

agjohn02

12-04-2007, 03:22 PM

Bonneville sunrise

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agjohn02

12-04-2007, 03:45 PM

and sunsets

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http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/Speed-Week-2007/n8336048_41516150_4986.jpg

And a rainstorm moving in on the flats the day after Speed Week ended.

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agjohn02

12-04-2007, 04:02 PM

People pictures

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