Cage Questions

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Since my trip home has been postponed I have started looking into getting a cage done for the chevy. I hate not being able to do this myself, as I had a good time wasting tube, er I mean working on the front. :D Do yall have any thoughts on where I could take it to get some good work done?

[DRAGOONRANCH]

here are some of the places that have been mentioned already

JK Customs in Hutto

Bear Trax in Dallas

Creative Engineering (CEOffroad) in Conroe

and Gulf Coast Crawl shop in Houston

[JeepPhisherman]

Krawltex here in Austin.

[85cj7]

i wouldn't recommend beartrax, just ask flem for the reasoning behind that. There is also Expert Offroad in Plano.

[agjohn02]

Gulf Coast Crawl shop in Houston is my choice. I met the guys and they were cool and Dave does some outstanding work. Search "Fool Injected" on pirate jeep forum.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

I heard Krawltex wasnt doing cages anymore, spill the beans flem, and I was going to look up the fool injected earlier but ran out of time.

[TxCruzr]

JK customs does awesome work. He is a great guy to.

[JeepPhisherman]

Shrockworks down in Htown has been churning out some great looking stuff here recently.

Ed, as far as I know Krawltex still does cages, I'll ask Glenn next time I talk to him.

[FJAggie07]

I can't speak for BaerTrax for work done, but I just wheeled all weekend with Russ and Christie Baer and they were good people. I am going to them with my gear stuff for the 4runner.

I think I would recommend Justin at Rocktek Custom Engineering in Grapevine.

[JB]

Gulf Coast Crawl shop in Houston is my choice. I met the guys and they were cool and Dave does some outstanding work. Search "Fool Injected" on pirate jeep forum.

I wheeled alot with Dave way back in highschool. He worked at TerraMotive in west Houston and actually I think he installed my blinging Rancho 4" IFS kit on the Bronco. He can be a ****y SOB, but he does know what he is doing. They had an impressive setup at Spring Creek for that run a couple months back.

[TxCruzr]

i wouldn't recommend beartrax, just ask flem for the reasoning behind that. There is also Expert Offroad in Plano.

I'd like to hear that. I've wheeled with him a ton and he's always been a great guy and fun to wheel with.

[85cj7]

hey guys i didn't want to start a controversey, i also have talked to russ and would agree that he is a good guy, i also live 3 blocks away from his shop. Its just personal opinion that i would not pay for some of the work i've seen him do. Again i DO NOT want to start a rift in the club, sorry for pushing any buttons it definently was not intended.

[TxCruzr]

It's cool. If you have seen some shoddy work or something done by him, there is nothing wrong with bringing it up. I was just saying he "seemed" like a good guy but if someone has had a different experience with him or his work, it would be nice to know.

[tigweld]

have u not seen his jeep? that should be explaination enough

[TxCruzr]

The cage? It isn't pretty but has held up to a ****load of rolls.

[tigweld]

no the whole contraption is finely crafted, but is finished and he does wheel it so thats gotta count for something

[tigweld]

the buttface diffcovers as he calls them are really snazzy too

[TxCruzr]

the diff covers are nasty as **** but do serve a purpose if you are into that though

[robertf03]

mother teresa is the nicest person in the history of documentation, but she lacks the talent of fabrication.

That said, I've seen some disgusting "fabrication" from a shop or two in dallas, and when asked if I would have said "shop or two" build a cage for a vehilce built in toledo I stand by my non recommendation, even if I witness said shop built cage survive a 20 ft vertical drop. The math says it sucks, some shops are examples of hackjob artistry at work.


****Disclaimer: I am a no talent assclown... I can't even fix a leaky sunroof. I take 10+ years to earn a fake engineering degree, and I have a small penis****

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Thanks for clearing that up flem, er, I think???


:flipoff2:

I think I have something lined out, we just have to hammer out some specifics. I have personaly seen some of this guys fab work, and it is off the chain. Fo shizzle....

[Eckert]

JK customs does awesome work. He is a great guy to.

look no farther ed.

[StevenAg03]

Thanks for clearing that up flem, er, I think???


:flipoff2:

I think I have something lined out, we just have to hammer out some specifics. I have personaly seen some of this guys fab work, and it is off the chain. Fo shizzle....

your not gonna have Brian G. build one for you are you? :flipoff2:

[DRAGOONRANCH]

????

http://www.magnetictimes.com/images/uploads/AliG-indahouse.jpg

[nickas]

if you want to try it yourself, my bender is finished. it will bend a full 180, and uses the tractor hydrolics. ill post some pics next week. just come get it when you get back

[JeepPhisherman]

Did you build the gottrike bender?

[Seth]

toledo flem? thats in ohio. were you thinking toronto? or montreal? quebec? something a little more canadian? or is too early and i missed the joke?

[StevenAg03]

????




SEARCH NEWB (http://offroadrepublic.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=25485)... :flipoff2:

[bburris]

toledo flem? thats in ohio. were you thinking toronto? or montreal? quebec? something a little more canadian? or is too early and i missed the joke?

Jeeps are built in Toledo. Yes, you missed the joke.

[nickas]

gottrike bender?

i dont know what kind it is. i dont have a pic of it right now but i bent this 180 with it.(no sand)

[nickas]

ill post a pic of the bender in a thread somewhere

[Graystroke]

BaerTrax
Shrockworks
Krawltex
these fawkers need to learn how to spell. why is it that "Xtreme" shops always have to miss spell their name? or at least thro an x in there...if I had a dollar for every fab shop who has an "x" in their name...ok I wouldn't be rich but I could by a couple 30 packs of Miller High Life. Why do they have to be Kree ate tive on how they spell it? Is it b/c they are so off the charts in their fab work that normal spelling would not do their work justice? or is it for copyright reasons?

[agjohn02]

maybe your statement pertains to the first
i see no spelling problems
texas has an x in it

[jerryg79]

maybe your statement pertains to the first
i see no spelling problems
texas has an x in it

you question a grayson rant!?!

[robertf03]

toledo flem? thats in ohio.

yes, where Jeeps were built


Grayson I think its a chart where you pick 2 words and put them together. See if you can come up with your own vehicle outfitting company name from the list

Unique
extreme (eXtreme/Xtreme/eckstream)
Design
Performance
Concept

[DRAGOONRANCH]

SEARCH NEWB (http://offroadrepublic.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=25485)... :flipoff2:

good burn :D

[agjohn02]

you should take it to PSC

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230754

[KrazyKarl02]

Seems like the appropriate thread to ask cage related questions, so here goes...

Do you guys see any difference in the strength of the cage if you run the hoops from front to back and then weld cross braces in between (I think Lynda's cage is like this) vs. running the hoops driver to passenger side and then welding brace in between them front to back?

[Doug Krebs]

For the Klogger, I would think 3 option A hoops. 1 windshield, and then 2 for each seat row?

[robertf03]

hey whats the deal with the centerline radius of the jd2 and protools low end benders? Is the bender built with such large tolerances that its unpredictable, or is it all in the dies, or is it just the nature of draw benders? Sounds like most people's bends are off by 3/8" to 1/2" according to whats stamped on the die.

Doug have you checked the radius of the bends your machine makes compared to the die spec?

[Doug Krebs]

hey whats the deal with the centerline radius of the jd2 and protools low end benders? Is the bender built with such large tolerances that its unpredictable, or is it all in the dies, or is it just the nature of draw benders? Sounds like most people's bends are off by 3/8" to 1/2" according to whats stamped on the die.

Doug have you checked the radius of the bends your machine makes compared to the die spec?

Actually, I haven't... Care to do an experiment?

[robertf03]

sure, when?

[Doug Krebs]

sure, when?

tommorow? I don't have all the tube sizes though...

I think I have 1.25 and 1.75 laying around.

[robertf03]

won't be in town tomorrow, busy next week? my first round of tests will be over by wednesday afternoon

[BMFScout]

Either way, I would run a couple of down bars through the back of the cab an into the bed. I think Option A would be a little more difficult to bend up, but you have the braintrust that is Jones, so you should be good.

[85cj7]

tommorow? I don't have all the tube sizes though...

I think I have 1.25 and 1.75 laying around.

we have some 1 5/8" if you want that

[KrazyKarl02]

No, I am not putting anymore bracing in that is the entire cage....

Oh, **** captain obvious just called and said I should put more bracing in. Guess I will.

My question was does it make a difference if you run the main hoops front to back vs. side to side.

[Doug Krebs]

My question was does it make a difference if you run the main hoops front to back vs. side to side.

There is also the Halo debate...

[BMFScout]

No, I am not putting anymore bracing in that is the entire cage....

Oh, **** captain obvious just called and said I should put more bracing in. Guess I will.

My question was does it make a difference if you run the main hoops front to back vs. side to side.


I gave you some useful information dicknose. I said it will be more difficult to bend up option A. I don't think there is much difference strength wise, but it looks cooler if you go with option A.

[robertf03]

option A. Its shorter so if you **** it up you are out less material. It will also be easier to place in the vehicle.

[KrazyKarl02]

I gave you some useful information dicknose. I said it will be more difficult to bend up option A. I don't think there is much difference strength wise, but it looks cooler if you go with option A.

Now that's just mean, you now how sensitive I am about penis shaped nose...

[jerryg79]

Karl is angry, i guess the house didnt shake on sunday night:)

[AggieTJ2007]

Flem I think the bends are off from what is stamped on the die because of the memory the steel has and the springback. i know why my bender and the DOM that I have the bend "springs" back almost 10 degrees

[robertf03]

I don't think springback would change the radius

from what little I've read on CNC equipment they account for this by either adding a preset additional degree of bend, or by punching in the modulus of elasticity to the cam software and its calculated from there. They still have radii consistant with the die specs. Some crazy expensive benders have a coil to induction heat the tube right before the die.

[DRAGOONRANCH]

Maybe the difference in springback between DOM/HREW/Chromolly and such is what might give you a different radius?

[Sharpe]

I dont know of any strength differences between the two but I am planning on going with option A because a) it looks easier to fabricate b) trees get caught in the part of the bend that sticks out to the side past the horizontal brace on A and c) it looks more aesthetically pleasing.

[Seth]

I would do a C pillar hoop, a B pillar hoop, and then braces between B and C, and then arms go down from B to the floor and put a winshield and dash gross bar in. Seems easier than bending in two planes for an A hoop.