The CheapJeep

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Originally Posted by uglyota

everything I've said in this thread is correct and makes sense in the context of the information given. what's retarded is thinking that tipping your pinion up will improve deathwobble, and wanting to put a spacer under your hy-steer arm when a misalignment washer will do the job :flipoff2:

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Wow, I never realized you were so ignorant. Do you not understand that the ****ing pinion and caster problem will be fixed by shims. The caster angle is pitched upward and pinion down, when I shim it, it will be level. You really don't listen when you make comments like that, I already have misalignment washers that I will put in there and if that doesn't work then I will go to a spacer.

This isn't rocket science, so why try to overengineer everything, just accept what's been said. :gigem:

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Originally Posted by uglyota

everything I've said in this thread is correct and makes sense in the context of the information given. what's retarded is thinking that tipping your pinion up will improve deathwobble, and wanting to put a spacer under your hy-steer arm when a misalignment washer will do the job :flipoff2:

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dont you know that deathmobble is caused by compounded u-joint angles?


you got a half inch misalignment washer? you could use some pvc pipe or poop tube if you want it to be really strong.

shims are ghetto, cutting and turning the axle is the only right way to do it. I haven't even read any of this post, but do what you like and report back.

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Originally Posted by BMFScout

shims are ghetto, cutting and turning the axle is the only right way to do it. I haven't even read any of this post, but do what you like and report back.

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Whatever, I have 15 degrees shims under the blazer and you saw how well that worked! I had no idea what my angle was going to be when I repositioned the front hangers and used the new springs. I only used the shims because I had 4 days to finish it.

All I can say is if you use a big shim on the bottom, you better get one for the top if the axle uses bolts like a dana 60 does. If it uses U-bolts, they will just rotate.

Why you need shims on top of d60? Mine tighten down good.

Robbie, don't worry about Eric, he's just a hippy that spends too much time on offroad forums and too little actually working on things.

Yeah Robbie, Ryan's right, I've never built anything myself and definitely have never messed with a leafspring suspension and had to solve caster and pinion angle problems. I only know how to talk trash on the internet

here eric. the diagram on the left is robbies axle without shims. the diagram on the right is robbies axle with shims.

red is for the kingpin axis. green is for the pinion.

yes thank you for showing me what I've just described several times :rolleyes:
If deathwobble is being caused by too little caster angle in the left diagram it will be worse in the right diagram.
The solution is to get the suspension set up and settled in as desired (since height of the rear suspension affects caster), take off the front driveshaft and drive around with different shims to find the ideal caster for the front axle, then decide what is needed to get the pinion pointed where you want it (at the tcase if you have a cv driveshaft, parallel with the ground if non-cv) without affecting the knuckles. This will most likely require a cut and turn.
It really doesn't matter because apparently I'm an ignorant ******* for trying to help here

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Originally Posted by afroman006

The whole f'in axle is rotated incorrectly. Its not just castor, and not just the pinion angle, its both. When he puts the shims in, they will fix both problems, without any of this cut and turning knuckles crap. I think we are really overengineering the solution here.

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you should try the easier solution first. death wobble is something that definitly needs to be fixed. i was starting to get it on my jeep for obvious reasons.

robbie, didn't you weld the perches on the first time?

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Originally Posted by RCook527

robbie, didn't you weld the perches on the first time?

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Not on the front axle, they're cast into the diff. You're thinking of the rear axle.

Anyway, shims are on the way, we'll see what happens.

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Originally Posted by uglyota

yes thank you for showing me what I've just described several times :rolleyes:
If deathwobble is being caused by too little caster angle in the left diagram it will be worse in the right diagram.
The solution is to get the suspension set up and settled in as desired (since height of the rear suspension affects caster), take off the front driveshaft and drive around with different shims to find the ideal caster for the front axle, then decide what is needed to get the pinion pointed where you want it (at the tcase if you have a cv driveshaft, parallel with the ground if non-cv) without affecting the knuckles. This will most likely require a cut and turn.
It really doesn't matter because apparently I'm an ignorant ******* for trying to help here

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what i dont think you are understanding is that the caster is built into this axle already. he just needs to get the pinion level like it is from the factory and it will restore proper caster.

dont be a mechanic and just replace parts (shims) until it feels right. be a technician and diagnose and fix it before you ever drive it by measuring. you should already know what your caster is before you ever order shims and what it needs to be after you install them. that way you know which shims to order. eric is making it too complicated and you are making it too easy. you'll be lucky if you get it right. meet at my happy medium and things will go much smoother. see the last line in my sig?

so how many degrees of caster is "proper?"

and just for fun, did your Scout in stock form have "proper caster?"

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Originally Posted by uglyota

so how many degrees of caster is "proper?"

and just for fun, did your Scout in stock form have "proper caster?"

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see, i knew you werent actually reading this thread

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Originally Posted by ME

you should have 4-6 degrees of ?positive? caster. the kingpin angle should lean back 4-6 degrees. i know what forward leaning caster will do. i drove with it for two years. it sucks. the only thing i know too much caster will do is feather the edges of your tires more. it may cause other problems though. i could definately see it cause death wobble. i would shim it to the correct caster. forget about pinion angle for now. put an angle finder on a flat surface, like a steering arm to measure the caster. compare this value to the angle of the ground you are sitting on to get actual caster. see how the pinion looks with caster corrected and then decide if you want to hassle with a cut n turn. my bet is you dont need to do it. those axles should have caster built into them, unlike pre '80 scout axles.

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I ordered 6* shims after I checked the angle, it'll be close but I think 6 is right.

I also have some new rubber I'm picking up this week, I'll probably go get my new rims tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by CheapJeep

I also have some new rubber I'm picking up this week, I'll probably go get my new rims tomorrow.

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That was quick. Mickey's really suck that bad?

Nah, they're great tires I just want bigger and something different.

what you getting?

Wouldn't gearing help you more than a tire that is half an inch larger? A well setup rig on 33s will do better then a less setup one on 40s.

All in due time. It's a project, that's why you add/change/build things constantly... I have drivetrain plans in the future, but this is a good deal so I'm not going to pass it up. They're 38" SSR's :gigem:

36" iroks :gigem:


edit: ah you're shwartz is bigger than i thought. better take it easy on the 44 for a while.

you might be pushing that 8.8 a little too after you get some lower gears

hey now, no disagreeing, you wanna get this thread locked again? :flipoff2:

sorry, Robby have fun with them tires I wanna see them`

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Originally Posted by CheapJeep

All in due time. It's a project, that's why you add/change/build things constantly... I have drivetrain plans in the future, but this is a good deal so I'm not going to pass it up. They're 38" SSR's :gigem:

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your putting 38s" on your jeep?? guess that year of me talking to you, as well as everyone else and going on trips went right out your ears

have fun... buy spares... and adjust your carb before anything

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Originally Posted by TxCruzr

Wouldn't gearing help you more than a tire that is half an inch larger? A well setup rig on 33s will do better then a less setup one on 40s.

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no ****.. id run 33s before i ever ran 38s or 40s

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Originally Posted by J Cooper

no ****.. id run 33s before i ever ran 38s or 40s

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shhhhhhhhhhhhh, dont try to tell him anything. he'll get pissy. he's already figured out how he's gonna do it. :flipoff2:

i do agree that you are going to be hearing alot of snap, crackle, and poping with those tires and locked axles. probably. maybe save them for when you get bigger axles

why are you deleting people's posts robbie?

and I agree, 38's on a 44 will give you lots of personal time with that axle

here delete this one

i even personalized it for you :flipoff2:

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Originally Posted by J Cooper

your putting 38s" on your jeep?? guess that year of me talking to you, as well as everyone else and going on trips went right out your ears
have fun... buy spares... and adjust your carb before anything

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Ah yes, I was waiting for you to post something like this.... :rolleyes: I guess you just don't get it. Why are you always trying to sound like a mentor or something? I built your spare tire carrier, hauled your pile to Clayton (you only paid for one tank of gas btw), plus a ton of other ****... not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by JeepPhisherman

why are you deleting people's posts robbie?

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You're kidding right? Just read through a few pages of the cluttered b.s. then think about it.

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Originally Posted by CheapJeep

i have drivetrain plans in the future, but this is a good deal so I'm not going to pass it up

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I guess nobody read this...

Most of this forum is cluttered b.s.
That's what this place is for, talking about tech outloud, getting opinions, people disagreeing with you, etc.

I figured it out after I read the "John Cox..." thread.

And I saw that you were getting a good deal, but just cause I get a good deal on a VW truck doesnt mean I'm going to go out and buy one...

Best of luck with the 38's. Let me know what you have to do to the 44 to get it to hold up, and I'll bomb proof mine for the 35's.

this kid's fiesty ain't he? i knew the throne wouldnt be empty long.


think of all the fun we missed by him having his rig built by a professional drag racer:flipoff2:

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Originally Posted by JeepPhisherman

And I saw that you were getting a good deal, but just cause I get a good deal on a VW truck doesnt mean I'm going to go out and buy one...

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Why not? Eric did.

Robbie's running ****ty gearing with a ****ty motor, do yall really think he will have a problem with breakage? I dont...

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Originally Posted by agjohn02

think of all the fun we missed by him having his rig built by a professional drag racer:flipoff2:

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If you actually saw the thread I built my rig....I did everything myself with the exception of the cage but like I stated numerous times I was there to help build it. :flipoff2:

At least get your **** straight before you run your mouth about things you don't know about.

BTW John, I think your mall crawling pic better suits you seeing that I've wheeled more trips than you. :flipoff2:
Not too mention, my heep isn't yellow...

maybe you should get your **** straight...I think John's got a couple of weekends at gilmer on you, he lives like ten minutes away

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Originally Posted by uglyota

maybe you should get your **** straight...I think John's got a couple of weekends at gilmer on you, he lives like ten minutes away

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yes, but everyone knows the only real wheeling is done on sanctioned TAMOR trips. if you consider more than zero a lot of trips. then yes, you're an expert.

its not that close eric, its about 35 mins.


what's so bad about 4.56 gears?

Robbie, you're coming off as a prick. We all know you're not, take a deep breath.

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Originally Posted by BMFScout

Robbie, you're coming off as a prick. We all know you're not, take a deep breath.

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agreed