The Chief

I won't **** anymore in your thread, I'll try to be constructive. However, you have clearly illustrated that you aren't interested in our advice if you actually try to build this thing instead of buying something that runs, isn't rusted through in every panel, and actually has aftermarket support. Go ask Chris Scotti what he thinks about this idea. I say Chris not to be an ass, but because I think he was probably in your shoes at one point (except his truck ran) and I would say his mechanical abilities were probably similar if not better. He spent THOUSANDS of dollars on his truck, had a shop in town do a lot of the work, and in the end he parted it out and bought his buggy. I'm thinking he will probably say to take some advice from the club on things like this, (maybe not when it comes with sleeping with your roomate, but definitely when it comes to trucks) I like Karl's idea of the spreadsheet, and price out everything, regearing, bearings you will need, tools you will have to buy, brakes, fluids, steering, seats, wheels, tires, (even minor details like transfer cases and a transmission) etc. etc. Then take whatever you have estimated and multiply it by 1.5 or 2 to get what you probably are actually going to spend. If you still like that idea, and have a place you can spend every week/weekend of your college career working on it, do eeet. I'm just saying the only people in the club to buy a shell of a vehicle like this and make it an offroad rig either know their ****, and/or have enough money to make it happen. In my mind, minimum it would take around a grand to get that thing on the trail using used everything, and not anything cool, just running around. Ask frick what he has in that abortion that he is trying not to spend any money on whatsoever. Ok, I'll quit here, I'm sorry again for ****ting on The Quief, and doubting your abilities, it's not really anything personal, it's just this is a terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by Hot Pocket

Karl - Thanks for all of that.. a lot

Jimmy - Sorry for over-reacting.. I wasn't exactly, err sober.

Mudtoy - I did a lot of research yesterday on misc. stuff, and from what I read the quadratrac sucks... Since I've got time and after talking to Frick... I'd like to find a Dana 20 for it and avoid having to spend a whole bunch of money right away on an adapter for a Dana 300

As far as transmissions go.. The Turbo 400 in the back is no good. Frick said that it's basically been cracked and isn't really worth the money to get it fixed. I'd like to get rid of the other one and use the money for that to buy a TH400 that will fit, or a straight up trade would be good. So if anyone knows a hookup that could get me a working TH400, give em my number.

I think I'll get on that excel sheet now.

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The Quadratrac doesn't suck. Its just received a bad reputation due to a long line of idiots who didn't maintain them, or just didn't understand how they work. For daily driving, snow, wet roads, and minor offroading...they're great. They aren't a rockcrawler's t-case though.


Are the internals of that TH400 good? Tranny housing damage from the crappy front shaft was so common with FSJs they actually used to make a repair kit for them...

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Originally Posted by TexTJ209

Are the internals of that TH400 good? Tranny housing damage from the crappy front shaft was so common with FSJs they actually used to make a repair kit for them...

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No. He said it's junk

it is cracked pretty damn bad but i would look into the repair kit if it is still made. the other tranny is from an fsj but not the right bellhousing you need.

i would go find another th-400 and quadra-trac and call it good. Im pretty sure if u put a center t-case in there it would not be a problem with that axle, because i have a offset t-case and a centered rear axle.

the roof is not rusted out that is mainly surface rust.

good luck look for the guy i mentioned that was selling fsj stuff on craigslist.

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Originally Posted by Hot Pocket

Mudtoy - I did a lot of research yesterday on misc. stuff, and from what I read the quadratrac sucks... Since I've got time and after talking to Frick... I'd like to find a Dana 20 for it and avoid having to spend a whole bunch of money right away on an adapter for a Dana 300

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you don't need an adapter for a 300, you need a 1980 and up transmission.

but if you did that unless you got a cj tranny you would have to get a d300 b/c the 80 and up fsj's are drivers drop

so your saying to bolt a dana 300 up to a transmission you would have to first obtain a dana 300? Damn, thats very eye opening ;)

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Originally Posted by BMFScout

I won't **** anymore in your thread, I'll try to be constructive. However, you have clearly illustrated that you aren't interested in our advice if you actually try to build this thing instead of buying something that runs, isn't rusted through in every panel, and actually has aftermarket support. Go ask Chris Scotti what he thinks about this idea. I say Chris not to be an ass, but because I think he was probably in your shoes at one point (except his truck ran) and I would say his mechanical abilities were probably similar if not better. He spent THOUSANDS of dollars on his truck, had a shop in town do a lot of the work, and in the end he parted it out and bought his buggy. I'm thinking he will probably say to take some advice from the club on things like this, (maybe not when it comes with sleeping with your roomate, but definitely when it comes to trucks) I like Karl's idea of the spreadsheet, and price out everything, regearing, bearings you will need, tools you will have to buy, brakes, fluids, steering, seats, wheels, tires, (even minor details like transfer cases and a transmission) etc. etc. Then take whatever you have estimated and multiply it by 1.5 or 2 to get what you probably are actually going to spend. If you still like that idea, and have a place you can spend every week/weekend of your college career working on it, do eeet. I'm just saying the only people in the club to buy a shell of a vehicle like this and make it an offroad rig either know their ****, and/or have enough money to make it happen. In my mind, minimum it would take around a grand to get that thing on the trail using used everything, and not anything cool, just running around. Ask frick what he has in that abortion that he is trying not to spend any money on whatsoever. Ok, I'll quit here, I'm sorry again for ****ting on The Quief, and doubting your abilities, it's not really anything personal, it's just this is a terrible idea.

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Give the Governor a Harumph!! Harumph, Harumph!!!

Jimmy =

http://www.donaldsensing.com/Pix/0402/Brooksgov.jpg

Time to get realistic.

Who wants what parts?

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1976 cherokee cheif 2 door
360 v-8 with 4 barrel edelbrock carb, guy i bought it from said it ran pretty good but might need the carb rebuilt, unknown mileage.

2- th400 trans one that came out of the truck that the case is trashed because of a blown front d-shaft(evidently a common problem in wagoneer/cherokees of this vintage. The other trans supposedly came out of a 79 wagoneer, but doesnt have the same bell housing pattern as the one that came from the truck

4 -stock aluminium 5 slot 6 lug 15inch wheels with stock rear hub caps

suspension- front sprungover with stock springs, and a 1 block under the springs. Caster has set at 5 degree's when the perches were welded on. Rear 6 in skyjacker block kit. Steering is stock steering flipped over the knuckles(may be stock) with a 6 inch skyjacker drop pitman arm. The brake lines have been extended.

Dana 44's f/r previous owner said that it had 3.54 gears.

Driveshafts i have both f/r driveshafts the front needs one of the u-joints in the double cardan joint. i have a spare front d-shaft that will go with it.

Motor has a york, and will come with a battery, also has cruise control but it is not hooked up. Motor was running when tranny was pulled.

Body has been completey bedlined with some thing like dupli-color or herculiner. Body has maybe 4 spots with bondo, but they hardly noticable. This truck has some of the best sheetmetal as far as rust that i have seen on jeeps of this age that are in the sub 1k dollar range. Interior is stock, but seats need recovering. Floor pans and floor are solid and have been bedlined as well. factory roof rack still installed and in good shape. The back windows still open. All windows in the truck are manual and work. The back tailgate is missing the glass but i will throw in the one from my wagoneer. The front grille is also in great shape and has a good shine to it. Tailgate is a little hard to close.

The previous owner used a boat gas tank behind the driver seat to fuel the truck but i will throw in a stock tank that will work in this truck as well.

The back c-channel crossmember that runs under the tailgate of the truck has been removed, because of getting bent when the truck was pulled out of the mud when the tranny broke before i bought it.

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Wait...what?

If you're doing what I'm taking that as...

I want the wheels, rear manual window setup, and the carb.

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Originally Posted by TexTJ209

Wait...what?

If you're doing what I'm taking that as...

I want the wheels, rear manual window setup, and the carb.

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How much.. my goal is to just make back what I sold it for, and a little extra to cover the tools I'm gonna need to buy.

I figure this is a much smarter way to get my bearings under me while getting me some experience in the whole thing

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I have you to thank for this

I got started on the excel sheet and all the little $20 trips to o'reilly add up, fast

Not to mention my boss came back at me today with "we aren't going to be able to get you more than 25 hours" when I had asked him the previous week for 40+ and he said no problem. I'm probably going to drag this thing home to Houston and part it out there.

Yeah, sweet blog I know:flipoff2:

Damn it, can you still use the candle stick in the library?

This has to be some sort of record flemming-out!

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Originally Posted by jerryg79

This has to be some sort of record flemming-out!

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x2!!

Hot Pocket, I think you can get what you need to, actually you can probably make a little.

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Originally Posted by Hot Pocket

I have you to thank for this

I got started on the excel sheet and all the little $20 trips to o'reilly add up, fast

Not to mention my boss came back at me today with "we aren't going to be able to get you more than 25 hours" when I had asked him the previous week for 40+ and he said no problem. I'm probably going to drag this thing home to Houston and part it out there.

Yeah, sweet blog I know:flipoff2:

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Honestly, I would've tried to help ya with this project any way I could, as I'm sure most people in the club would have. But you're definitely taking the smarter course of action here...this Cherokee is/was not a great starting point for a lot of people, and is worth more as parts than as a whole. Just keep saving those pennies, and I'm sure a far better rig will come along that you can afford. (Coming from a moron with two project Jeeps with no end in sight :gigem:)

You've got a PM.


Put a parting out ad on the IFSJA.org's boards, and if you're willing to do a little effort shipping...you should make money on this thing.

Look!! Hot Pocket is setting an example for what about half of us should have done with our projects!:gigem:

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I have you to thank for this

I got started on the excel sheet and all the little $20 trips to o'reilly add up, fast

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Hey man, it gets scary when you add up how much stuff costs. Imagine trying to build a nice car like my chevelle, where you have 4g's in paint and an engine with $3500 in machine work alone....

Anywho, I know a guy who will give you $100 for the axles.

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Hey man, it gets scary when you add up how much stuff costs. Imagine trying to build a nice car like my chevelle, where you have 4g's in paint and an engine with $3500 in machine work alone....

Anywho, I know a guy who will give you $100 for the axles.

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Great.. give him my number

713 470 7658

And yeah... after sleeping on it, I just feel like it's smarter to repeat this process until I can get a decent rig.

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Originally Posted by KrazyKarl02

Hey man, it gets scary when you add up how much stuff costs. Imagine trying to build a nice car like my chevelle, where you have 4g's in paint and an engine with $3500 in machine work alone....

Anywho, I know a guy who will give you $100 for the axles.

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Karl you're a genius! Use a spreadsheet to predict and track costs!?! I feel like this could really help the construction industry! I might try to integrate a couple of spreadsheets into my daily work....hell i might even replace this abacus with one of them calculators!

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Originally Posted by JBrown89

http://collegestation.craigslist.org...164135157.html

Runs and drives, you should have bought it.

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One day I will have a thread in here that doesn't get moved or lasts more than a day... :flipoff2:

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Karl you're a genius! Use a spreadsheet to predict and track costs!?! I feel like this could really help the construction industry! I might try to integrate a couple of spreadsheets into my daily work....hell i might even replace this abacus with one of them calculators!

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Then after that you could get a trail rig!! Just imagine! :flipoff2:

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Originally Posted by afroman006

Then after that you could get a trail rig!! Just imagine! :flipoff2:

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That insult is as tired and clapped out as this jeep!:flipoff2:

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Originally Posted by jerryg79

That insult is as tired and clapped out as this jeep!:flipoff2:

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yeah about that.... Nope still funny. :gigem:

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Originally Posted by Hot Pocket

Lastly... I know I'm biting off a lot more than I can chew here, and I would appreciate as little bull**** as possible about it. I know that a lot of you here know your ****, so all I'm asking is that you refrain from clogging up the thread with **** about how I have no idea what I'm doing, and just keep it to suggestions and information that I can actually use and learn from.. Or at least until I can get my bearings under me. It's been established that I'm in over my head, but I've gotta start somewhere.

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did this even last 24 hours?
I want the license plate ring and exclusive rights to call a future rig "The Quief"
And Doug's retarded. Get yourself a set of Craftsman tools.

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Originally Posted by uglyota

Get yourself a set of Craftsman tools.

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Have you replaced a stamped craftsmen socket recently? They give you this laser etched **** that eventually wears off. Then you take it back and they ask you how do they know it's a craftsmen...

Prove me wrong, but I bet craftsmen is made in china...

HF has a lifetime warranty on hand tools.

Bought and sold before I see the thread! Buy that yellow one and make friends with Kasey.

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Originally Posted by Doug Krebs

Have you replaced a stamped craftsmen socket recently? They give you this laser etched **** that eventually wears off. Then you take it back and they ask you how do they know it's a craftsmen...

Prove me wrong, but I bet craftsmen is made in china...

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from here: http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html#handtools

Craftsman brand hand tools, made in USA by Danaher Tool Group. (Craftsman power tools are imported). Available from SEARS and KMart.

I used to carry a cheap walmart tool set in my truck, just to have, i have since added it to my craftsman stuff. While I was taking off those caliper brakets I broke every walmart reducer and extension i had, but the craftsman stuff held up.

Do they automatically give you the laser-etched one or is it just what they got behind the counter? I broke a 3/8's ratchet the same day i'll have to see what they give me when i return it.

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Do they automatically give you the laser-etched one or is it just what they got behind the counter? I broke a 3/8's ratchet the same day i'll have to see what they give me when i return it.

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Well that's good they are still made in the US.

As far as I know, the only thing you can get is laser etched, but I'm hope I'm wrong. Someday I'd like to spend some money on hand tools and will probably buy craftsman.

All I was really trying to do was help him out since he didn't have much money and needed tools. In addition, we haven't had any problems with the harbor freight hand tools.

if you look, you can still get them in the stamped numbers

Damn Hijackers! :flipoff2:

a true and proper snaking it is. :D

I CAN make a difference in people's lives! :) Make sure if you make money on the deal to rub it in Frick's face! :gigem:

I've heard that HF's hand tools have a lifetime warranty but is it as easy as Craftsman? Have you walked into HF with a busted screwdriver and had them hand you another like you do at Sears? I also prefer the old-school style of crapsman sockets but have not had any of my laser-etched ones totally wear off to the point that you can't read it with a little grease stuck to the etching

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I've heard that HF's hand tools have a lifetime warranty but is it as easy as Craftsman? Have you walked into HF with a busted screwdriver and had them hand you another like you do at Sears? I also prefer the old-school style of crapsman sockets but have not had any of my laser-etched ones totally wear off to the point that you can't read it with a little grease stuck to the etching

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Sears is in the mall. So from an incredibly lazy point of view...HF is better. :gigem:

I just buy Craftsman off of eBay, and when it breaks try and get them to replace it.

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Originally Posted by uglyota

I've heard that HF's hand tools have a lifetime warranty but is it as easy as Craftsman? Have you walked into HF with a busted screwdriver and had them hand you another like you do at Sears? I also prefer the old-school style of crapsman sockets but have not had any of my laser-etched ones totally wear off to the point that you can't read it with a little grease stuck to the etching

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That is the key right there. I was reorganizing the garage last night and realized my 12 MM socket could barely be read (laser etched) but my 11 had a greasy finger print across the etching and it was VERY easy to read. I will have to keep the Gojo away from my 3/8" drive drawer... :)

i just got a new craftsman set, and none of them are the etched crap

Yep, never EVER clean your tools. If you find yourself with a perfectly organized, matched, and immaculate set of tools you obviously need another project :D