hey yota fags dont try and convert him, he's ours. :flipoff2:
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hey yota fags dont try and convert him, he's ours. :flipoff2:
also guys remember Ed is not a tate/kevin/lissa size person. I barely fit in a toyota.
face it, in the end he'll see the light and he'll be one of ours :flipoff2:Quote:
Originally Posted by stx4wheeler
As for the toys being small, yeah that early body style is little, but thats what they make sawzalls for. Just make him fit :D How big is Ed anyway?
Thats me in the suit. HO HO HO mother *******
While I think toyotas are pretty cool, and cheap to build. There isn't anything new that you can do with a Toyota. Fullsizes on the other hand, are fun to watch on the trail. Mainly cause I don't want to be the only one busting body panels
What would you call it then? I can see how what I said might have been confusing but what I meant was that if you move the axle forward, this also moves the "bubble" inside the scrub radius of the tire forward and if the power steering box ends up inside this bubble, great. Comprende?Quote:
Originally Posted by agjohn02
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Originally Posted by napolean2
Does this make anyone else think of Star Wars? Ed, as I've told people before, the "perfect wheelin rig" is about halfway between a fullsize and mini. You can start from either end and work your way towards the middle. It is much cheaper to start with a fullsize and cut it up and down than it is to start with a mini and extend the wheelbase make square pegs fit in round holes, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopoopipebuggy
i said point taken didnt i?Quote:
Originally Posted by afroman006
too tired to draw it so i looked it up. i dont know what to call it, just not scrub radius. im just picky about racecar engineering terms.
same principle, this is just independent susp. on a solid axle the sai is synonymous with kingpin angle
http://www.desertrides.com/reference.../sai-scrub.gif
The "scrub radius" I am thinking of is when viewed from above, the arc the tire makes around the kingpins/balljoints. All of my edjumication in this area came from an article on one of the rags awhile back. Basically what I got out of it is ideally with perfect backspacing the center of your tire footprint does not move when you turn the wheel from lock to lock. If you decrease the backspacing it makes the tire stick out further and the centerpoint of the tire footprint makes an arc when you turn from lock to lock, effectively making it physically harder to turn. I think this is why my truck's steering works so well without hydro assist right now, I am running stock wheels so I assume I have a small scrub radius. I may try to find the article in our mountain of magazines when I get home in the morning and draw some pictures in paint.
yeah, you pretty much got the definition of scrub radius. you dont have to teach me anything here, trust me. im just saying you misused the term. thats all. your scrub radius is measured in the low single digit inches. when considering if tires rub other things, scrub radius isnt something you bring into a conversation. thats is unless, you use a lot of backspacing to correct said problem and then say to yourself, "man, i just fawked my scrub radius." no big deal here, arguement is a moot point by now. you said "the center of your scrub radius" im saying thats your kingpin and no steering box is gonna fit there. get it?
10-4 dawg.
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Originally Posted by afroman006
kinda like a scout
Yes and I was actually thinking that when I typed it out. If you can get over the stigma associated with scouts then they're great. :flipoff2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seth
yeah, that's why all the comp rigs these days are going to 110"+ wheelbases...much more capable
scout traveller = 118" i think tons of room
Here is a little more background on the beast. I found it in Missourri on e-bay. I could have bought a truck alot closer and in alot better shape, but then I wouldn't have been able to make the road trip to get it with my brothers. It was a helluf a trip. We left the house and headed to Buffalo, Tx. where we paid for the gooseneck I have now. We left there and headed to Pro-Trak Trailers in Wills Point to pick it up. When we got there, they told us to come back later, they were not finished and needed a few hours. When we came back the guy was bringing it out of the bay and we hooked up. The paint was still tacky and there are a few places you can still see finger prints in the paint from our oogling over it. We left there, put the Banks Six-Gun in #3, and hauled a$$ (we were about 3 hours behind schedule and still had to make it to Hot Springs). We mad good time and were averaging 8 mpg at about 85mph. We had reservations at a place called Brady Mountain Resort. It was a great place, except for coming in way after dark and the roads are windy as ****. Made it real fun pulling the 32' for the first time. We left out the next morning for Poplar Bluff, Missouri. We got there, and had to winch the truck up on the trailer (it had been parked after its last wheeling trip when they burnt the cluthc and it had been sitting for months) with my Artic Cat 650. It was a strain, but it did the job. We sure got alot of stares drivin through town hunting lunch down. We got even more as we poured the coals to it headed back to Brady Mountain. We spent a day there at the resort wheeling the 4 wheeler on the trails around there, and cooked out for lunch that day. The next morning we loaded up and shagged *** again. The first two fillups we were averaging about 6 mpg at almost 90 mph on average. The next and last was at Carl's Corner with some bio-diesel, and the numbers at that one moved up to about 7 mpg but we only averaged about 80 mph on that stretch since we had to go through the Metro-mess of I635 in Dallas. Carl's used to be the premier truckstop on 35, and you could always catch a good band on the weekends. They have tried to resore it some, and are coming along pretty well, but I fear the good ol days are gone. We stopped in Temple to meet the folks for supper and hit Vato Zone for a new carburator (They couldn't even find the old one in the system). All in all, it was a great trip and got to spend some quality time with my brothers. I don't get to see them much, so I would give this trip an A++.
We tried the nest day to jump the truck off with the new carb inplace. No luck. So we got a chain, hooked it up behing the 4-door and off we went. We finaly got it to break loose and crank, but I forgot to put the oil fill cap and air filter back on, so it was slinging oil, and before it cranked it was spittin fuel out the carb. Needless to say, the oil and gas mix hit the manifold (now that it was getting fire to it) and set it off. We jumped out, grabbed a water jug lid (jug had no water in it) and starting throwing loose gravel from the side of the road. I was wore out from the trip, getting close to having to head back to work, so we parked it, pulled the batteries, and rolled up the windows. It sat under the barn for about 4 months before I could get back to it. That is for another post though. :beer:
Brady passed out
Eric passed out
Brady up on the Trailer
The three musketeers :gigem:
it said "Half Assed" on the windshield when you bought it!?
That IS a selling point! :)
You couldn't see it in the e-bay pics. Like I said, it was bought partialy for the road trip involved, and I new nothin about crawlin' at the time. I sure wish I had know before, I might have held out for somethin in better shape, but what the he!!. :flipoff2:
I called Atlas today about their new 4sp transfer case. They are wanting about $3150 for it with the adapter to the sm465. This seems like it would be a great deal with the 10.6:1 low in it. They dont have one with the 10 sp for the 465 though, so how would I go about changing this or finding out if it even has one like this, short of pulling the transfer case off?
Your tranny has the 10 spline output. GM switched to the 32 spline output and hydraulic clutch in 85, thats prety much your only option. 4 speed transfer case? Didnt people used to call that a non-syncronized transmission?
Ok, here are the pics of the axles. The front springs measure 48" and the rear are 52".
As I suspected, the front is a 10 bolt and the rear is a 14 bolt full floater. The 14 bolt is as good as its going to get for the rear but a D60 would not be a bad idea for the front.
Good detective work, super sleuth!
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See if these help anyone.
Ok, so here's what I have gathered so far.
Move my rear 52" leaves to the front, find some 56"s for the rear w/ a shackle flip. I can get a rebuilt d60 for $3200 (best price so far, not through searching). The gears will prolly be 5.13s with detroits front and rear. This gearing will put me about 2600 rpms at 65, I just have to figure out what to do for a transfer case. Atlas has their new 4 spd w/ ratios of (2.0:1, 2.72:1, & 5.44:1) or (2.72:1, 3.8:1, & 10.34:1) with a 1:1 in high. I wanted to go with this one for the ease of setup (not having to build a doubler), but they don't have one that will mate to my 10 spline 465. But, this would be a good time to replace the old tranny with a new one w/ a hydraulic clutch. Hummer rims w/ the 44" boggers. Prolly a hydro-assist steering setup with an big automatic tranny cooler to cool it off and act as an extra resivoir (there is plenty of room in the chevy between the fan and radiator). I will be leaving the bench seat in it, till I can build a set of aluminum seats and will have our local upholsterer throw some padding on them and cover em up. :beer:
Came across an interesting suspension set up. Its an Airock system. Anybody heard of it. Is there any others like it.
Looks like it's designed more to replace the coil springs in a stock or RE-lifted TJ, you'd be designing a link suspension from the ground up and would be better off with coilovers or air shocks if you wanted some bling.
your previous post looks like a good plan. Leaf springs will take much less time and be easier to get working right as compared to a link setup. Keep searching on the 60, that sounds like what you should expect to pay for a fairly built one.
Hummer rims good idea, maybe see what kind of wheel/tire combos you can find cheap
Replacing tranny based on output and hydraulic clutch, maybe not? 465 has removable bellhousing right? And can you not upgrade the output shaft? Also look into the STAK transfer cases. They make a 2-speed that's supposed to be a pretty economical alternative to the Atlas.
No clue on the hydro assist, check out the experiences Frick and the other fullsize guys have had with theirs
:gigem:
go to the toy section of pirate and look up a build by 4mogger. I'm pretty sure he had a shop modify a airock system to use on his 4runner. I haven't looked at the thread in a while, but I don't think it worked out like he hoped. I would stick to leaf springs if I were you. Simple and effective.
nevermind re read post
No one makes airshocks big enough for a fullsize that I know of. I think fabtec just came out with a monster 4" diameter coilover though. I would just stick with leafsprings for now for simplicities sake.
ed since you got a less time than most of us and a little more skrilla than most of us, why dont you just by a dynatrac 60 that you can customize how you want it and they do all the work for you, and all you do is bolt it in and go play, minus getting a new front driveshaft?
I have looked at that, but they want nearly $5500 for one not including shipping. That seems like alot of dough to drop on one. They are nice and shiny when you get it though.
yeah you pay a premium when you buy there stuff, i couldnt see forking over the dough for one cause i cant see my time being worth more than money in my book in the near future, but this may now be your case. but if you figure how much a 60 is prolly gonna cost you its not to bad, lets say 800-1000 for a 60, then a 200 to rebuild some small parts, then 500-800 for a detroit or arb, 200 for gears plus another could hundred to get them installed, then a good set of shafts and ctms, prolly another 1000-1500. and lets say another 300 for steering. yeahs its alot cheaper by a couple grand to do it this way its just wether you wanna fawk with it.
and one of the 2 fat guys broke his snazzy dynatrac 60 at katemcy last year! I think it was only a shaft though.
good, that dude told me id never get the LT1 running. kiss my ass fatso it was long haulin' within two weeks. 2 fat guys sucks. although he did haul my engine for cheap.
did you see how he broke it. it wasnt some little obstacle, the tires was wegded between two rocks, and he was romping on it with ultra low gearing. this could have had something to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by texasxj
I know you talked to the D60 guy on pirate about one of his used axles, but did you check to see what he would build you a new one for? Just curious
I think its gonna be about the same as a dynatrak or pretty close.
OK, I am going to start a cost break-down here. I will come back and edit it as the project progresses.
$1500 - Truck-chevy 1/2 tonn off of e-bay
$7250 - Pro-Trak 32' gooseneck w/ dovetail$1800 - GM crate 350
$427 - for diesel (tried to be ecco friendly and bought some of Willie's bio-diesel)
$345 - 3 nights at Brady Mountain Resort near Hot Springs, Arkansas
$8022 - Road trip to pick up the truck
I am not counting the trailer or cost of the trip, just threw it in there.
$ 145 - Holley 4bbl carb from AA (Advance Auto)
$ 325 - power steering pump, hoses, gear box, and labor
$ 660 - fuel pump, alternator, motor mounts, fuel hose, and labor to instal engine
$ 125 - Sony CD radio from Circuit City
$ 100 - Cobra CB w/ antenna from Flying J in Waco
$ 80 - Fan Shroud from Tranum Country in Cameron
$ 260 - 2 yellow top Optima's from AA
$ 100 - 1/0 guage welding lead for battery cables and winch lines Airgas in Belton
$ 145 - u-joints and front drive shaft from AA
$5240 Sub-Total
$ 87 - 2 vatozone special electric fans
$ 60 - Misc. electrical supplies (butt connectors, switches, fuses, and relays) from vatozone
$ 125 - Cordless dremel from Lowe's
$ 190 - Jack stands, floor jack, creeper, and stool from AA
$1850 - Warn 9500ti on receiver hitch frame and hook-ups front and rear from TruckWear in Temple
$2774 - Sub-Total
$2600 - Dana 60/70 combo w/ dually hubs
$ 550 - Propane conversion from classifieds on PBB
$2300 - 44" Boggers (5 of them) from AJ on PBB
$ 200 - 5 hummer rims from USA6x6
$ 460 - PVC hummer beadlock inserts and pressed recenters from USA6x6
$ 190 - shackle flip
$6300 - Sub-Total
$ 655 - PRP Daily Driver" Seats (2" extra wide +25 bones a seat) from RBS
$ 120 - 5 point harnes from RBS
$1100 - OBA 12V electric compressor Th-2000 from KILBY
$ 375 - Two 40lb propane tanks from Pro Tank Supply
$2250 - Sub-Total
NEW STUFF
$3600 - Atlas 4spd TC (10.3 low/low, flange outputs front and rear and adapter to 465)
$3600 - Sub-Total
$20164 - Grand Total so far
Younguns, don't try this at home :flipoff2:
Running over towel head with truck, Priceless!