you could get a chevy 5.3l with a lot of this stuff and fuel injection for $800Quote:
Originally Posted by DRAGOONRANCH
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you could get a chevy 5.3l with a lot of this stuff and fuel injection for $800Quote:
Originally Posted by DRAGOONRANCH
Dibble runs coilovers too...Quote:
Originally Posted by afroman006
yeah, I have seen those monster coilovers, they had them on display at 4wp today. looks pretty sweet
Huh? I know plenty of fullsize buggies and truggies run coilovers but I was just throwing out the new gigantic one they came out with for consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglyota
Dibble's rig has got to weigh as much as a built fullsize
When Dibble jumps in a lake, Dibble doesnt get wet, the water gets Dibble.
Ok, now to the tranny debate. The 465 in the truck is in good shape. But,....
I didn't much care for the way it handled. I have always been a fan of a stick when towing, and kick my self in the *** for not getting the 6spd in the tow rig. But when it comes to off roading, auto is the only way to go. It just seems to give you a more even distrobution of power. I know that would mean losing granny, but I just think its worth it, and you can make up for that difference with the right doubler combo. Now, what are the advantages of the 350, 400, and 700. I have used all of them at different times, but I was always like most folks. Put it in D and go. I like the idea of the 700 with overdrive to help out when pounding the pavement, but I don't know if it would hold up to the abuse the big rubber will put it through. I will quit babbling on about it and get back to work.
Ok, I won't lie, Ill get back to watchin everybody else work.
The only input I have for this is that your torque converter is generally thought of as "doubling" your gearing. If your 1st gear*4lo*axle ratio is 60:1, a torque converter will let you crawl as if you had 120:1
Don't get a 700r4 though...
I've heard alot of good ideas in my life, but I dont think any of them started out "So I'll put in a 700R4" or "Then I'll drink some Jaeger"
Jaeger is always a good idea
Thats kind of what I thought, guess thats why no one puts one in in a build up.
Me and Mr. Jaeger had a disagreement once...
It didn't end well for me....
Ill stick to my crown and budlite
700's have a lower first gear... They can survive if built right (not a raptor). I went from a 700R4 to a 465. It's all personal preference and people can debate until my buggy gets done and never come to a conclusion. For comps it seems auto's are the way to go. I personally prefer stick.
One advantage manuals have is their dumb simplicity.
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Originally Posted by Snatch Adams
i like mine and have had no trouble with it, just the flexplate getting bent and chewing up the tc bearings, but thats my fault for not checking the flexplate before putting it back together.
I would put a TH400 in. Yes 700R4's can be built to handle more power and last longer, but you pay for it. How much street driving will you actually be doing with this truck? I would assume not much so I wouldnt worry about the overdrive. I've been tossing around the idea of swapping a manual in my trail rig but I'll probably just stick with auto's (I have a th400). When you are out wheeling working the clutch is just one more thing to think about.
Do you think about working the clutch on the street? If you're just learning yes, but after a while it becomes second nature. Ever drive a stick car for a long peroid of time, then get into an automatic and get scared when your left foot doesn't find the clutch?Quote:
Originally Posted by afroman006
This is true. Amanda's truck is a stick and I drive it almost every day but all the ones I've ever owned have been autos. Over on CK5 most guys like wheelin 6.2's and 454s with manuals but not 350's, they say they kill them too much.
they need to learn how to heel-toe...
I freakin love driving a standard off-road, especially because most of the time when you get scared all you have to do to get safe is push in the clutch
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Originally Posted by uglyota
thats true, but then again you couldnt do half of what you do without the infinite gearing of the slipping clutch.
I found a doubler set up, just wondering if it was worth the grand they want for it.
you'd have to change out the input shaft and possibly the adapter. Also, what side drop is the 205? Have you decided on a tranny?Quote:
Originally Posted by DRAGOONRANCH
Yea that's for a dodge or jeep.
I have another problem, my brother went to dallas to pick-up hummer rims, and the ****ing idiot took the old tires off, and didn't put the internal beadlock back in. Is this going to be a problem, or am I just freakin out for nothin. The gas up there, food for my brother and his buddy, and the rims. Good lord almighty, I am about to blow a top here. I found them on an ebay add for 120 bucks for 4 rims and tires (tires were at 25% tread, so basicaly no good) so my brother told him he could keep the tires if he wanted to break them down. He did, and kept the runflat. Maybe this is ablessing, but I feel like taking an LWOP (leave without pay) to go put a beat down on this a-hole.
most people use pvc pipe in place of them any how
freakin out for nothing. Get PVC inserts and you're a step ahead.
I am still pissed off that the guy jood me out of them, and it dont help it would take 20 hours in a plane cramped up with someones cryin baby and some old dood droolin on me to lay the smack down. I would just pull the trust 7mag out and get it over with. Ok, blood pressure going back to normal, ...... funny, i have never seen that tint of green on my hands before. How come my britches are ripped at the knees and my shirt all in shreds. And whats that giant hole in my wall.....
Ok, now onto the tranny delima....
how do you tell one from the other, is there a difference in the atoms apple or mustache....
oops, that got way wrong real quick.
I have a line on a th400, but guess I should post up in the wanted section for a 400. Anybody got one in good shape they want to get rid of. Ill take the transfer too if ya dont want to seperate it. You cant ever have enough transfer cases sitting around. I will start searching for the pvc inserts, i had heard of this, but didn't know how hard they are to get ahold of.
If you find the right combo 400/205 you're half way done with the doubler, as the 205 will have the correct input shaft.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRAGOONRANCH
Make sure the 400 you have a line on is 4wd. Also, I believe there is a K case that is better. I could be mistaken though, it might be for the 350. Don't know too much about that auto's since I like sticks.
It has a 203. I am still wanting to go with the atlas IV. With the 10:1 low, kinda makes up for the lack of granny. I don't know why I even posted the link to the doubler here, should've gone in the "good deals".
Whats a doubler cost to build up, if you had to start from scratch?
The 400 w/ atlas and 5.13s puts me crawlin at 133:1 and w/ 4.88s at 127:1.
I think that's not to shabby, and i have a 33:1 and 46:1 in the two medium atlas gears. Just right for scootin down a trail. And running 68 at 2700rpm down the black top. It prolly wont see much of that, but it wont hurt for the short trips to town.
well, its about $50 for each case + 500 or so for the doubler, plus any new bearing or seals that you need.
I forgot to mention one big plus to the auto tranny issue. My little bro is going to be driving this truck too, and prolly a few other unexperienced froaders, so the auto would help out big time for that. He won't be headed to Boobicon anytime soon, but he will end up on the trails with it at times. He is learning on the 95 yota 5spd, so he is going to learn right, but the cheby will be too much for him on some climbs. He prolly wont be able to reach the pedals good enough anyways, and that manual clutch is a *****.
The tow rig is going under the knife next week, so as soon as its out, I am hoping to get some stuff started on it. I will get with my super secret/ uber doober design/build team (Team Foolsize) that has assembled for this project and see what they think. Hopefuly we will have pics and details rolling in soon. I am pretty sure the front 60 is a go, waiting on conformation on the tranny, got the rims and secure pvc centers for them this weekend. I will let the Team Foolsize take care of the suspension as they are the subject mater experts on this (and everything else for that matter). I have all the confidence that the team will come in behind schedule, over budget, and pissed off at me and will leave it in pieces in my driveway, but what the hell. Everybody has to have one of those projects now and again.
Oh yeah, jeepers ( = :rainbow: ) suck big hairy donkey **** Foolsizes rool :flipoff2:
btw if you are interested I have a line on a chevy 203
I have a chevy 203, I think someone was supposed to buy it but that never happened.
Where to begin. For the sake of my fingers typing all this ****, please only as one question at a time. Here is everything you need to know about doublers and the transfer cases you need to run one.
http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/doubler.htm
If you have any questions after you read that let me know. As far as the rims go, PVC beadlocks are old news. According to billavista's writeup on pirate, the performance cryogenics guys is make a steel beetlock now, it looks like a skeleton of the pvc ones and is allegedly lighter and just as strong. I wouldnt sweat over the guy keeping the magnesium beadlocks, most people burn them for fun because they will damage your tires if you run them with low PSI.
203's are only worth about $20-50, unless they are from a TH400 then they are worth about 200, even more with the adapter. The reason they are worth so much more is chevy only used the 203 behind th400's for two years in 3/4 tons in the 70s, so they are prety damn rare. I would jump on the th400/np203 combo.
A TH400's pan looks like the state of indiana, a th350's pan is a square with one corner knocked off, and a th700r4's pan is a regular square. There is no difference in any TH400 case, only th350s had the "k case" versions and I've heard that is a bunch off bull****.
A complete doubler setup with a th400 will cost you between $1500-2000 depending how much you pay for the cases. The biggest complaint most people have about chevy doublers is that they use two of the hardest to find transfer cases chevy used.
Ok, the guy is ready to ship the tranny. Where would be a good place to send it. I have never had to have a part like that shipped before.
You mean a good carrier to ship it? Forward air is usually the cheapest if there is a terminal around. However, Karl informed you can ship big things through Grey hound very cheaply. Maybe he'll chime in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRAGOONRANCH
Doug, sent ya a pm.
Thanks
I am still waiting on him to tell me who he is going to use to ship it. I should have had my grandad just go get one from gatesville. They have a pretty good setup there, or so he tells me. He picked up a tranny for my s-10 there one time. I new dealing with the rejects on pirate was gonna be a headache. Maybe this guy will come through. :beer:
Ok, just found a propane set up. I figure this should be a good deal for us. My folks have 6 broiler houses for Sanderson Farms out of Bryan, and they are one of the bigest customers at the propane place. Hopefuly we can just get one of the tanks set up to fill out of, or get a big cut on the price at their pump in waco. I will have to find a good tank is all. I am not going to try to find someone to ship the old tanks, too much of a hastle.
I have been scouring the net trying to find a good th400 somewhere, but I am not paying out my nose for one. By the time I find one shipped to the house, it will be entirely too much. I think I will just get it from advanced auto, the club discount there is killer. I saved a wad last time I went in (had to replace my wore out jack stands and floor jack). They have three output shaft sizes and I have no idea which one I need, any help on this? It looks like the cost will be around $850 or so before the discount. I hate to pay this much, but if I get one off of pirate, its gonna take a dump on me. That is just my luck! :flipoff2: Well enough of my rambling tonight, I need to get some rest. Someone needs to tell these folks over here we are on their side, maybe they will quit mortaring us so we can get some sleep. ****suckers!!
The ouput shaft depends on what t-case you want to run and even then on what adapter and case version.
I guess all of this would be a moot point if the new 4spd atlas had a 10 spline adapter for the 465. I guess I am being a hard headed ol fool on wanting the 4spd, but I think moving to the auto for now will be very beneficial for many reasons. The atlas is going to be one of the few big ticket items on this build, next up will be the tires and front d60. I don't know how much the shackle flip is going to be, but I figure some beer company will break into Forbe's 500 this year. :beer:
If you havent seen it already yo should check out www.coloradok5.com. It has alot more chevy info than pirate and the forsale part is always prety active.