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I'm guessing t15
Well shat. Whoops.
Nice little info page..
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/trans/
So is there a popular cheap and easy tranny with maybe overdrive and a lower first gear that will bolt in?
no
not without a bellhousing swap, don't need overdrive if you gear it right
sm420 w/ 4.10s is about equal to a nv4500 w/ 4.88s
got the latest whorewheel parts catalog and saw some old cherokee chiefs with your same wheels...apparently part of the "s" trim package or something.
I thought they were aftermarket. That's cool. Are you positive that isn't factory paint?
Ah ****. I didn't notice the rims. Those look like old school FSJ five slots like Eric said. Cleaned up they fetch a decent price from the FSJ crowd.
Well according to Amanda's uncle (the original owner), the paint and wheels are original. Some of the booty crap on it is painted the same color as the body so I guess whoever did it had a can of touch up paint. I would think if they re-painted it they wouldnt bother to redo the renegade decal, but I may be wrong. What I do know is that I have searched high and low on the net and havent found a single other CJ5 painted that color or that exact renegae stripe available from any jeep parts house (not even Collins bros., any idea bout this Fred?). I figured, if I cant find the renegade decal like that, I can hand paint the stripe part and have the letters made by a sticker company.
I have seen jeeps painted that color before. I could have told you that is factory paint and wheels. pre 76 stuff is tough to find, I doubt anyone makes a replacement renegade sticker set.
Look in the sales brochure for that year and you'll see that color, an orange one, and a green one with the renegade package.
Cherokees of that era are 6 lug
Yah I've noticed there aint much love for pre-76s. What major changes did they make?
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Originally Posted by afroman006
lots of stuff
76 up to the early 90's is the same floorpan, steering column, seat brackets, windshields are pretty much the same.
the frames widen at the rear unlike every universal jeep from 75 and down.
but 76 and 77 are still a ***** to find some parts for, vent grill is different, heater parts are nonexistant, fuel filler is different, extra body mounts on the rear crossmember.
probably some other stuff I can't remember too
I've got a pic of a 73 renegade thats very similar to yours, if I can get this scanner working I'll post a pic.
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Originally Posted by robertf03
Didn't notice his were only five...close though.
http://fsjworld.tenmagazines.com/gal...Mike/87390.jpg
So lets talk about building my motor. I am keeping the 304 no matter what so dont bother saying replace it. I am hoping to be able to add chevy TBI and a mild performance cam, as well as a full rebuild. From what I have seen, these motors have oiling issues. How do you address this? Does anyone make a cam specifically to be used with the TBI? What distributor do you use for this setup? If I'm not mistaken 74 didnt use HEI and the TBI needs it.
There isn't an oiling issue for our purposes. There is no TBI cam. There are many cams available, you just have to know what to look for in the cam for TBI use. From looking at the chevy cams for carb vs tbi, it seems you want short overlap, I was thinking the comp 256xe or 262xe for mine, but I really wouldn't know. AMCs like bigger cams than chevys and fords. You use the ford duraspark. It was stock on later motors, not sure if yours would have it or not.
flem will address this I am sure, however tonight he got ahold of his mom's chili evidenty and has been very gaseous. We went to the londoner tonight, and adding beer to the equation was disastorous. It was 27 deg. according to the rearview mirror and we still had the windows down...
so somehow flems gaseous emolision from the colon will allow the tbi on the 304 to run better, especially with the shorter cam? did i catch that right?
I think ol' Landon had the edelbrock cam in his 304 and it ran very strong. Seems like the cam of choice for the smaller displacement AMC engine.
As for oiling issues, I've got to sack up and drill/tap my block for the main bearing oilbypass mod, but it will get oil mods done to it. I'll post some pics. maybe ill do it tomorrow/later today
Kopeki's got it down, duraspark is the best ignition these engines ever had. Find one from a wagoneer and weld the mech. advance up and its TBI ready.
Yet mine still doesn't run right. Has irratic idle speed. Think I might need to get rid of the knock sensor.
You ever do the oil mod Flem? What year/size motor did the distributor I need come on? Kopeki says Ford duraspark but Flem says wagoneer? Does Edelbrock only make one size cam for this motor? Thanks
Wagoneer uses ford duraspark. Yes edelbrock only makes one cam, and its really only big enough for a 304.
haven't drilled yet, too scared
maybe tomorrow
So what year and size motor do I need to get the distributor from?
78 and newer amc v8 of any size
So here's what I have planned so far for the mota.
Magnaflux block
Acid bath block
New bearings
New pistons and rings
Ballance rotating assembly
Edelbrock cam
New lifters
New pushrods
New oil pump
Gaskets
Stud kit
Magnaflux heads
New valves (maybe)
New valve springs
New valve guides
New valve seals
Aftermarket rocker arms
Fancy valve covers
Fancy intake manifold
Chevy TBI
HEI distributor
Does anyone have recomendations as far as parts selection goes (pistons, bearings, rocker arms, lifters and oil pump specifically)?
i'm getting my oil pump from bulltear, and intake from indy.
stock pistons, clevite 77 bearings, stock or harland sharp rockers, not sure yet. probably a comp k kit for the lifters
i have a set of rhodes lifters in my 258 and i love em, www.rhodeslifters.com
how do you love a set of lifters? Do they do their job quietly and keep pressure? If yes, then good...if no, then bad. I personally love the $1.02/pc lifters we got for a SBC one time...those were some sexy *****es...all shiny and smooth. WTF?
Stick with Comp Cams on all of your valvetrain components. They are the best in the business....even though I did get drunk and talk to Harland Sharp's daughter one time. :)
I say that b!tch was yanking our drunken chains, but who knows...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredo
I was thinking the same thing about "loving my lifters" Man, they sure do ride on that cam good and don't make any noise! :gigem:
Go to bulltear.com and do your engine building research. These things aren't very like your standard small block chevy. And if you're gonna put all the time and work into rebuilding it, find $50 and trade it for an old 360, you'll get alot more power out of it.
You'll want the stock distributor to go with the TBI. And I don't think I'd use the knock sensor if I did it again.
What i ment was that they keep good vaccum on a cam and are pretty quiet and i havent had a problem with bleed down.
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Originally Posted by Reckless
all common problems on the vunerable 258. way to work those out! you should post that on cowtownjeeps.com
maybe I should see if they make these magical lifters for IH v8's.....maybe they will solve my oil pressure and lifter bleed down problems. :laughing:
Ok I didnt get Fred's Harland Sharp joke until I was browsing through summit tonight and noticed they are the only company in there that makes roller rockers for a AMC. I am going to make this post the motor listing and update it as I decide on parts and whatnot. Here we go;
Edelbrock cam & lifters- Summit PN edl-2132- $140
Edelbrock intake manifold- Summit PN edl-2131- $186
Clevite 77 main bearings- fastengineparts.com PN ms1041p- $50
Clevite 77 rod bearings- fastengineparts.com PN cb960p- $32
Durabond cam bearings- fastengineparts.com PN n-9- $21
Federal Mogul sealed power pistons- fastengineparts.com PN 1079p- $160
Piston rings- fastengineparts.com PN 568- $39
Comp Camps pushrods- Summit PN cca-7812-16- $30
Stock rocker arms
Oil pump
Fel Pro gaskets- Summit PN fel-ks2002- $89
Bolt kit- Where to get?
Valves- Where to find? Anyone make recessed ones?
Edelbrock valve springs- Summit PN edl-5832- $63
Valve guides- Axed
Valve seals- These come with gasket kit
Valve covers- Where to find?
Cloyes timing set- Summit PN clo-9-3118- $100
Proform HEI distributor- Summit PN pro-67185- $210
Recomendations on specific parts deffinately appreciated.
Edelbrock cam & lifters- Summit PN edl-2132- $140
Edelbrock intake manifold- Summit PN edl-2131- $186
Clevite 77 bearings- parts store
Piston rings- parts store, mine are sealed power .030 over
Pushrods- same length as small block gm
Rocker arms- parts store, or harland sharp
Oil pump-bulltear
Bolt kit- arp
Valves- parts store
Valve guides- Where to find? kustom. are you machining your own heads?
Valve seals- parts store
Valve covers- junkyard,milodon,edelbrock,jc whitney,omix.
No, I really did get drunk and talk to his daughter at a party.....at least we're pretty sure it was her.
You should probably get yourself a basic rebuild kit to get most of that stuff at a better price.
Updated. I think I'm going to stick with stock rockers because to use rollers and guideplates you have to have like .250" machined off the head and get an expensive ass ARP stud kit. Its probably gonna be more than I want to spend so I'll stick with the stockers. Should I replace them with new ones? Comp cams makes hardened pushrods so I think I'll get them incase I decide to upgrade the heads later. What is the bore of the 304? I'm lookin into Fel Pro and Speed Pro for them but dont know what size. Kopeki, I havent found any decent rebuild kits, just a few on ebay and I dont know what brand components they have.
Will the stock valve spring retainers and clips work with the edelbrock springs or will I need new ones too?
Which of these timing sets is better? The one from Summit is advertised as a roller set and is $100 and the one from fastengineparts is advertised as HD and is $73.
http://www.fastengineparts.com/produ...ew.php?id=1637
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...=egnsearch.asp
To upgrade the heads, get a 360. Supposedly if you bore the 304 enough you can use 360 heads. Don't know how much is needed. But then there isn't really a point in it if you're gonna use the edelbrock cam. But then there isn't much point in building a 304 when you could have a 360.
That engine won't spin fast enough with the edelbrock cam to need guide plates.
The stock rockers are likely OK. Take a look at them and decide for yourself. You can use rockers made for a sbc if you need new ones. Stock ratio is 1.6.
Most parts stores sell rebuild kits, go ask.
HEI is not for TBI. Use the duraspark. If you want you can upgrade it to a bigger cap and use ford TFI ignition, better than HEI anyway.