WTF is going on here? I think I'm still worse off than you and I'll make it. Go work on it.
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WTF is going on here? I think I'm still worse off than you and I'll make it. Go work on it.
As for the Jeep my dad sent me an email today,
Front driveshaft is in the works with some company in Houston
Rear axle is not binding anymore (I'm guessing they installed the pinion shims or rotated the axle)
Cage is cut/laid out and going together
Seats/mount/harnesses are all in and going together
Steering issues have been addressed and parts are being picked up
No pulley yet, still searching.
i think he means the pulley that goes on the crank,since his jeep didnt come with power steering, he needs a double v crank pulley so the power steering pump can be turned.
and nobody here has one laying around?
I have one.
Would you be willing to part with it for a small fee? Let me know how much, I need it ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by eight
Here's some pics my dad emailed me of my heap and some of the **** being done. I'll have more after Clayton. :gigem:
Pass. side floor pan
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...5/DSC_1227.jpg
Layout of the cage/interior stripped.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...5/DSC_1226.jpg
Carrier u-bolt/spring plate fix
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...5/DSC_1225.jpg
Went by to see the heap today. The pass side floor looks good and the holes through the floor for the cage are drilled. The rear driveline is set, but the front still needs lots of work. They have another job at the moment so not much progress has been made other than what you've seen. Some of the tubing has been tied into the frame for the cage, but I've yet to see any type of cage or anything being done which surprised me. They're having to order some more chromo tube but I noticed that it wasn't thick wall? I was surprised to see that, I could've sworn that they would've used the thick chromo for a cage but no matter, it's still stronger than DOM or HREW. I still need to call Collins Bros to see if I can snag a pulley. Also they're making some front shock hoops and running S.S. brake lines all the way around so I guess that's good, but there still hasn't really been any progress which is frustrating.
you can run about 0.095 on the main tubes with Chromo and even 0.065 on the brace tubes depending on the weight of the vehicle. What do you consider thick wall? 0.120?Quote:
Originally Posted by CheapJeep
Exactly, I guess I was misinformed but I always thought that thick wall was over .150, even .20 stuff? I guess I was wrong. Hopefully they'll start making some progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by redcagepatrol
I went by the shop last week to see what was up and found out that they were adding on and cleaning things up around there. Long story short there's a guy that he builds blown alcohal cars for that gave him 3 other projects to work on aside from my Jeep. So I talked to Bill today and he had his whole crew working on the Jeep today, tomorrow, and until it's out of there. I'll stop by tomorrow on my way in to the Dr. and snap some pics and lend a hand. Should have the pile back by hopefully this weekend. :gigem:
Here's some pics of what we got done today, I went by after my seeing the Dr. and stayed working on it until everyone went home.
Things Completed
-Steering shaft
-Front shock mounts
-Drag link
-Front right spring plate/u bolt
-Rear driveline angle
Still to do-
-finish cage
-seats/harnesses install
-p.s. pulley
-p.s. pump mount
-front driveshaft install
-rear shock mounts
-gas tank skidplate
Pics
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep057.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep056.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep059.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep061.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep062.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep058.jpg
That's gonna be fun to get in and out of. Maybe build some sort of step into the sliders?
I had alot of fun trying to climb in and out to figure out how we wanted the seat brackets to be aligned. I'll probably end up setting the sliders away from the body a bit so I can use those as a step.
As for the front hoop, when I showed up I saw how they had it and I really didn't like it at first but Darryl was explaining something about clearance issues with the dash bar/window latches/steering column so I'll have to live with it. The seats are going to be leaned back a good way so the steering column's not right in my face, but they talked about maybe shortening it? When we first set the seats in we were going to have to notch the rear fenderwells a bit, but after I realized that the way the seats were angled I would slide out, so we just pushed it back as far as it could go and tilted the seat angle up a bit.
Darryl, Tony, and Bill also decided to run an X in the rear instead of traditional downtubes like on stock cages. You can see the plates going to the floor in the bed where the X tube will tie in. One thing's for sure, it's going to be a bit different. :laughing:
Here's another pic of how everything goes through the floor and ties into the frame.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep060.jpg
Here's some pics of today's work, the cage is finished except for Darryl Tigging a couple more spots. We cut the front driveshaft down to make it fit, working on a new gas tank skid, and battery box.
I actually like the way the front hoop looks now with everything set in place, it has a kind of retro Willy's look to it.
The windshield latches are NOT the same on the CJ-7's as they are on these early model 5's. The latches have to actually swing out rather than having a stud go through a flange on the windshield like 7's. Also I asked Darryl why he hadn't done it like ya'll had talked about and that was one of the reason's as well as cost, strength, and keeping it away from the windshield. Having the hoop as one piece instead of 2 like some people do is alot stronger. I like it, that's all that matters.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep063.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep064.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep065.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep066.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep067.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep068.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep069.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep070.jpg
Latches-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep073.jpg
The other car that some dood is having them rebuilt, it's from 1985? Story is, Bill built it back then, this guy bought it and now they're putting a Rolls Royce motor in it from the other car (Rolls Royce) which they're putting a blown alcohal motor in, and a third door slammer something called an Interceptor? which they're putting a super gas motor in. All while this same guy has 2 blown alcohal rail cars, one in which my dad used to race all the time before he bought it. And you wonder why my Jeep hadn't been worked on?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep072.jpg
An old rail car chassis-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...05/Jeep071.jpg
i dont like the x in the back... it takes away from storage also
how much tube did they end up using... i hear that stuff is like 6-8$ a foot
There is an article in Petersen's 4wheel & off-road titled "Pullin' Pipe" in the feb 2006 issue that compares Aluminum, HREW, DOM, Chromoly (thin wall), and Chromoly. Pretty good article
well if the tire is gonna be mounted there then it will look good and help with weight distribution. I dont like rear tire carriers and i think it would look great on that x
are you planning on covering those seats and adding some padding... cause i think they will give you one hell of a rough ride
I have seat covers I just need to go pick them up from the store I ordered them from. I think they're the same as Fellar's. Also 5pts. will be installed.
We saw those wheels as SEMA.
Dont take this the wrong way but that cage looks like it was made by drag racers (which I know it was I'm just making a point). I have little to no experience in both drag racing and offroading so I am just making uninformed generalizations.
Drag car cage:
No frills, protects your ass from 100 mph wreck
Little consideration to ergonomics. Drag racers only spend a few minutes in their cars at a time so the cage doesnt have to fit like a glove
No consideration for storage, since they dont have to
Trail rig cage:
Usually has **** hung on it like spare tires and parts, as well as handles and the like, all of which has to be considered during construction
Has to fit vehicle well. You will be spending hours at a time in said vehicle and having a bar occupying footspace isnt pleasant
Easy enough to get in and out of, since we are always jumping in and out
Storage, it aint a fullsize, so you dont have any to waste. Think ice chests, toolboxes and large bulky items that need cubic feet of space.
I know its already done and I'm sure it will get the job done but that x is going to severely limit cargo capacity. As far as the front bars go, I'm sure some of the other 4 or 5 people who have CJ5's can post pics of their cages, I think they just move the dash bar up to clear the locking levers.
if your truely happy with it, then dont worry about what we think. however, if your not, you'll be kicking yourself for not getting it fixed. we're just trying to keep you from riding along looking at it and feeling like you got screwed. we've all had something done before that wasnt done like we wanted it. thats why most of us just do it ourselves if we have the means to do it.
pimp. those are fancy seat mounts
Thanks. I'm happy with it and I'll figure out space issues, like I said spare tire mount is going on the X and I have room for a medium sized cooler/tool box behind the seats.
The reason I didn't do it myself was partly because I don't have a tube bender and also because my parent's are extremely anal about me being safe. Which I really don't understand because I could've easily done this myself in our shop. Darryl, Tony, and Bill did an excellent job though and I couldn't have asked for more. They're experts in building chassis and fabrication.
Once we had everthing welded and the seats mounted I sat in there and it's really comfortable for a person of my size. I can easily reach all the shifters, pedals, etc... However if you're over 6 foot I could imagine it would be quite cramped. The passenger seat is fine for a tall person, just not the driver's seat.
I will say that the cross bars that run through the S door opening make it harder to get in and out of but I plan on building a set of sliders that stick out a couple inches to use as a step. I feel secure having the cage designed the way it is and with the seats wrapping around. I rather feel strapped in over being able to slide around.
On another note about what Darryl had said about the front hoop being pushed back, he had originally planned to do something different which I didn't really catch onto...something about the front hoop preventing the motor from being shoved back into the driver/passenger? I think he was talking about building a front hoop that had an extra crossmember that was below the dash, but he mentioned that it would get in the way which I agreed.
Well the only person who's opinion matters is your and it sounds like you're happy as a pig in ****. I really dig those seat mounts.
Thanks, I gotta give mad props to Darryl and the crew for their fabbing. It's a helluva lot of fun to work with those guys. They know their **** and have badass rides.
Going down to Bill's shop again tomorrow to finish welding up the front d-shaft, finish cage, gas tank skid, s.s. brake lines, whatever else. I'll take some more pics of what gets done.
Like I've stated numerous times, I sat in the drivers seat and could easily reach all the petals, shifters, etc...no problem. I like having the tube's there, it keeps my left leg from trying to go out in an off camber situation as well as protects my side if I lay it over on anything protruding i.e. rocks, etc.
The cage is in no way "thrown together", I've done plenty of research and know what's going on. I showed up a little late after Darryl had already made the front hoop and tacked it in place, but I've come to like the way it is and prefer having it this way. It couldn't have turned out any better, it's how I wanted it and everything works and is ergonomically correct for me. If I were to build it myself I might have set the front hoop a little closer and made the bend at the windshield, but I really don't care at this point. I'm happy and I can't wait to take it wheelin'.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CheapJeep
example... not the best cage.. needs a couple extra pieces that we are gonna put in.. but its simple.. you can jump in and out easily, flows with the shape of the jeep and does it job and has enough room for a fuel cell, ice chest and tool box.
http://tamor.us/members-rigs/albums/...CF0004_001.jpg
Did you notice the overhead V? I was maybe thinking about putting in bars that run parallel with the body overhead as well, just like with other cages. I don't quite understand your comment "know it all", how is that, because I've said that I'm happy with my cage? It fits me? By the time I showed up my only input was for the X and overhead V. Everything else was already tacked in and I'm not going to waste expensive tubing when it works for me. Is that know it all? Everyone has to start wheeling somewhere, so what I've only wheeled with the club a couple times, highschool muddin', and out at my ranch. That doesn't mean I can't start sometime. I started reading Fourwheeler when I was 5...my dad had 2 XJ's and a bigass burban so it's not like I haven't been around it. If you don't have anything collective to add to the thread then why post? No one else made such derrogatory comments as you have. Maybe some critiquing but I've made my point and acknowledged their opinions. Not everything that people say or feel pertains to every single person or their situation. Just because my rig doesn't look like everyone elses means I need to change it to look like their's. If stuff doesn't work out and ya'll are right I'll change it.
BTW- I've had a thread running on Pirate since last year on my build, at least no one said I needed more triangulation. :laughing: Most people said good job on the build with a couple questions about stretching the wheelbase more and one or two that were questioning the front hoop, but still were positive.
Thanks Coop for clarifying, I took it the wrong way. I understand your point/concern, I'll try and get it going by the end of this week and maybe bring it up to C.S. then if you're not too busy you could take a look at it and we could do some work on it if you'd like. :gigem:
Didn't take any pics today, I forgot the camera. We finished up cage and added 2 more overhead bars, built gas tank skidplate, built new battery tray/box, found a crankshaft pulley that works finally, finished front driveshaft, and the best yet....I now have a Rolls Royce power steering pump. :gigem: I grinded off all the surface rust on the btf kit and spring mounts and painted them so the jeep doesn't look so bad now.
This is becoming more like a mutt than a Jeep...
We're getting the steel braided brake lines tomorrow and start working on that as well as making mounts for the 5 pts. to tie into the cage.
While most trail jeeps do end up this way, 95% of the wheelers in the world will never use parts from as many different (albeit the same brand) vehicles as I have for pigpen. Best I can figure no less than 15 seperate trucks have contributed anything from a few nuts to the engine and tranny.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheapJeep
Here's a list of donor vehicle parts-
81 dodge fullsize axle
80-90?? ford fullsize axle
85 S-10 (thanks robert for the box)
70's Rolls Royce pump
some sorta slant six motor? for a crankshaft pulley.
meh, thats nothing. When I traded the my last rig for the buggy the only original parts were the transmission, gas tank, rear axle housing and frame. It was still all toyota, but alot of vehicles gave thier life for that thing