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Well I got everything buttoned up for the trip today. Pigpen's better than he's ever been; the tranny works and shifts normaly (it will probably still slip when the tires get bound up though), the steering is 100% straight and tight, the passenger side door has been removed, and one tail light has been installed (one is better than none right?).
Also, aparently pigpen can do stoppies.
Pigpen wont run after the trip and I need a snorkel before i do any more muddin.
didja see these?
http://www.texas4x4.org/showthread.php?t=10350
Yah but I'm too po right now.
Well since I've been out of town I havent touched pigpen since the Alto trip (besides pushing it off the trailer) but I've been thinking about what might be wrong with the motor. I was just tear assing through the mud pits and I stopped for a sec when I was almost out and the motor just died. Since I dont have any inner fenders and run with the lid on my air cleaner flipped, the air filter got drenched with muddy water so at first I figured it was clogged up and choked out the motor. I had one of the "severe duty" filters on it that came with an extra foam pre-cleaner around the paper filter and the foam part was the only one that got soaked, the paper was still dry. I took the air cleaner off and there was a little bit of muddy water in the intake, I think it just leaked in through the screw holes in the aircleaner lid. It didnt look like enough to affect the motor at all but now I'm not so sure.
After we dragged it back to camp, I went and bought a new air filter and new fuel filter, but that didnt seem to help. When it first died in the pits, it wouldnt hardly crank at all, I dont know what to attribute that to. After waiting for awhile it was able to crank again, but it wouldnt start. So after changine the filters out and purging the air from the new filter, I pull a few of the glowplugs and cranked on it some more. It was shooting a puff of fuel out while cranking so it appears that it is still getting fuel, but as Oliver said if a 6.2 wont run its either fuel or fuel. I'm hoping for some reason I just need to crank it some more and maybe bleed the injector lines, but I'll get after it when I get back to CS.
In summary, I think my injection pump might have crapped out on me, but thats usually not a catastrophic event right?
What kind of power does a 6.2 make? As much as a tired SB350, or close? Can you turbo them? If so how much would that run and what kind of power would you be talking about then? i.e. How do they compare to like a 5.9 cummins?
think more along the lines of "tired 22re" (but with more torque)
the comparison to a cummins ends at "they both use diesel fuel"
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Originally Posted by uglyota
Any chance you gulped too much water down the intake? I've done that and it sucked. Are you getting fuel past the lift pump? IPs don't just up and die usually. Their death is generally preceded by a long line of hard starts.
You can turbo a 6.2L, and they will make good power, but it has to be on a solid crack-free foundation. Maximum reliable power with an IC is about 500-550 lb-ft.
Ic?
Factory 6.2s make about 140 hp and ~280 ft lbs. which is the same as a 350 of the same vintage. One would be perfect in the cruiser Davido.
There is a chance it took a big gulp of water, the mud pits were more muddy water so I suppose a good dose could have found its way down the intake. I figured this wasnt the case though because the motor wasnt hydrolocked, it still cranks. I took 3 glowplugs out and turned the motor over and nothing that looked like water came out. Robbie's dad suggested maybe I got some water in the fuel so I emptied the water seperator on the filter but it didnt seem to have much (or any...) water in it. Next step is going to be to push a little of whatever is at the bottom of the fuel tank out with air pressure like I did when I was first trying to get it running.
350s are lighter - more HP - rev more - and easier to get power out of. IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by afroman006
So what is the weight difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by afroman006
Looks like someone beat me to it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Seth
100 pounds lighter doesnt make that much difference in a 6000 pound truck. They DO NOT have more horsepower when comparing FACTORY motors OF THE SAME VINTAGE (YEAR). They do have the potential to rev higher, yippee, we all know how often we (everyone besides Creighton :flipoff2: ) rev our **** above 4k while wheelin. "Easier" is a very subjective word. You can turbo a 6.2 and get about 400 ft lbs. for the same or less than it would cost to do the same to a SBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seth
I didnt only pick the 6.2 because it was cheap.
ls1
But its cooler to smoke out the people behind you!
I still think it's the lift pump, but I really don't know much about diesel's.
Diesel's are way cooler IMO, more torque, and they're way easier to work on from what I've seen.
robert, if you had a diesel that ran well and made crap for power this argument might be viable, but a tbi 350 would wheel the pants off of your 6.2l.
Ooooooooooooooooh. He told you. ;)
i really want to know real world weight diff between the two.
an 87 tbi 350 was rated for 210 horse from the factory.
the earlier models were 160 or 175 hp with 260 or 275 torque. 6.2 was 240 and 135.
If you want to defend the 6.2, go with things like durability, economy, torque curve, simplicity, waterproofness, etc.
I am f'ing telling you straight up as someone who has pulled, disassembled and stared at SBC's, BBC's, 6.2's and 6.5's that a 6.2 is halfway between a SBC and BBC in physical size and weight. SBC's weigh ~550 lbs. 6.2's weigh ~650 lbs. and BBC's weigh ~750 lbs. I have had more of each type of engine in my possesion than years it took you to do your D44 swap (haha biatch! :flipoff2: ) so I deffinately think I know what I'm talking about here. I deliberately sold a couple of TBI 454's that I had in my possesion because a 6.2 would work for me just fine and would be easier to install and run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seth
John, a TBI 350 might do "as well" as MY 6.2, but TBI motors are a significant step up from carb'd 350s, which is what I assumed we were comparing all along. My 6.2 allegedly has a cracked piston and is in otherwise unknown condition, so its not really a fair basis for comparison. The burban has a TBI 350 in it and while it ran well most of the time, it did give me a few electrical issues, which as the way I see it is the biggest drawback to a fuel injected gasser.
I have a TBI system at my disposal right now and could kludge together a decent SBC but you know what, I'm stickin with a 6.2 cause it gets the job done and is simple, easy and cheap.
dizzam you got owned!!!!1Quote:
Originally Posted by afroman006
Intercooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seth
You may have bent some rods. If you just get a little water in the motor it'll do that. Takes more water to lock it. Bent rods will lower the compression and you allready had low compression I think. I suppose you know to hold the pedal on the floor when trying to start it. Shoot a little starter fluid down the intake and it should start. No I don't want to hear about all the evils of starter fluid from you city boys.
A 6.2 makes about the same power and torque as a tbi 4.3. It's good for a 1/2 ton or blazer, but not really anything more.
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Originally Posted by eight
teeheehee :flipoff2:
Step 1. Light match
Step 2. Remove gas tank cap
Step 3. Drop lit match in gas tank
Step 4. Walk away.... :flipoff2:
This same procedure should be performed by Danny.
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Originally Posted by CheapJeep
and you shouldnt follow suit why?
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Originally Posted by agjohn02
Because he has way more entertaining ways to destroy a vehicle! :gigem:
now if he could only find that pesky gas tank...
i think the dexter house as a whole should have a vehicle burning party
Im sure instead of burning it robbie, you can find a creative way to make it sit permenantly in the driveway on 2 wheels also :flipoff2:
yeah, but your's doesn't run.... :flipoff2:
BURN :flipoff2:Quote:
Originally Posted by HULK-1
Feel free to point out any advantages the chromohomo has over pigpen... Motor, wait nope. Gearing? Nope not that either. Axles? FUC|< NO. Tires? Eh, maybe. Cling to that...Quote:
Originally Posted by CheapJeep
I'm not so sure on that. With all this new information and tech being brought forth about how lame a 6.2 is, a 258 might be a better choice... :flipoff2:
BTW- what's your crawl ratio? I'd like to see this almighty gearing you speak of...
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Originally Posted by afroman006
x2!!! :flipoff2:
I dont know it right off hand cause I dont know the first gear ratio of my tranny but I know its better than yours.
he's got you beat robbie. he's around 40:1 your ~28.5:1. his swartz is definately bigger, but ill bet your 258 makes more torque.
Any chance that Pigpen's motor, though it does run somtimes, might not be the best example of a 6.2?Quote:
Originally Posted by CheapJeep
Years ago, I bent #8 rod from gulping water, replaced the piston and rod (parts were $50), and it ran like a champ afterward.
But hey, I could be wrong.