Chevy Starter suggestion when running long tube headers?

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03-07-2009, 06:30 PM
KrazyKarl02

Chevy Starter suggestion when running long tube headers?

So I have a 350 that has some hooker long tube headers on it. I changed the starter last week with the O'reilly "one they had in stock" starter. Well I ran the engine for about 15 minutes today breaking the cam in, now it will not start. The starter spins, but does not engage. I think the solenoid/plunger got melted from the heat of the headers.

The battery is good, has good voltage, cables are new, etc... so I don't think that is the issue.

The question is, what is the super bad arse starter for a chevy 350 that can be lit on fire, pissed on, dunked in the mud, sleep with hookers, etc... and still work?
03-07-2009, 06:31 PM
Shaggy

my hookers ate 3 starters
03-07-2009, 06:41 PM
Reckless

they have a heat shield wrap for starters

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...115+4294848628
03-07-2009, 08:14 PM
colman

you can also wrap the headders in heat tape to protect the starter
03-08-2009, 12:45 AM
KrazyKarl02

Quote:

Originally Posted by colman

you can also wrap the headders in heat tape to protect the starter

I am not a fan of wrapping headers, they get nasty...
03-08-2009, 12:59 AM
DRAGOONRANCH

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrazyKarl02

I am not a fan of wrapping headers, they get nasty...

WOW, did somebody slip a chill pill in your beer today? I figured you would have lost it after those two posts.
03-08-2009, 01:00 AM
Graystroke

can you just fab a heat shield out of sheetmetal?
what about cars that had a v-8 shoe horned in? maybe they have a shield that will work? caprice cop car w/ LT1? maybe a camaro? they good kind are the bi-metal ones w/ the insulation sandwiched in between and crimped on the edges.
just thinking outloud....
03-08-2009, 01:16 AM
KrazyKarl02

I am thinking about a heat shield, but wanted to ask if anyone knew of a super starter. I talked to Luis about it, he said they usually use a gear starter. Comments?
03-08-2009, 01:18 AM
KrazyKarl02

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Originally Posted by DRAGOONRANCH

WOW, did somebody slip a chill pill in your beer today? I figured you would have lost it after those two posts.

Screw you Ed, you have no right to question me about my political beliefs, family business, love of women or men, or my method for measuring my e-wang.

Better?
03-08-2009, 01:19 AM
Graystroke

that's just a high torque starter right? does it offer anything to protect the solenoid? maybe carry a big hammer? :)
03-08-2009, 01:21 AM
DRAGOONRANCH

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrazyKarl02

Screw you Ed, you have no right to question me about my political beliefs, family business, love of women or men, or my method for measuring my e-wang.

Better?

Ooh, good, I get to make it a hat trick (+1) this morning. A couple of Iraqis, one hindi, 10 Ugandans and now a redneck from south east texas!!!

Fawk you in the ear you corn eatin kawk sucker!!!

and I'm spent...
03-08-2009, 01:23 AM
KrazyKarl02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graystroke

that's just a high torque starter right? does it offer anything to protect the solenoid? maybe carry a big hammer? :)

Luis was saying these were smaller and therefore were further away from the heat. Thoughts?
03-08-2009, 01:24 AM
KrazyKarl02

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRAGOONRANCH

Ooh, good, I get to make it a hat trick (+1) this morning. A couple of Iraqis, one hindi, 10 Ugandans and now a redneck from south east texas!!!

Fawk you in the ear you corn eatin kawk sucker!!!

and I'm spent...

Oh yeah, well you let John Cox f you in the a. Isn't that right John, if it is true just do not respond in any way.
03-08-2009, 01:29 AM
DRAGOONRANCH

What I do with my cox is none of your business either...

(Ok, who is taking paypal for membership dues, I need to pay for somebody!!!)
03-08-2009, 04:08 AM
Seth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graystroke

can you just fab a heat shield out of sheetmetal?
what about cars that had a v-8 shoe horned in? maybe they have a shield that will work? caprice cop car w/ LT1? maybe a camaro? they good kind are the bi-metal ones w/ the insulation sandwiched in between and crimped on the edges.
just thinking outloud....

Some of the guys were talking about this at the lemons race. The LT1 comes in 94-96 roadmasters and caprices, not just cop cars.
03-08-2009, 09:13 AM
colman

mean green?
03-08-2009, 09:13 AM
jerryg79

Im curious why you thought the cam needed to be broken in, i couldnt find anywhere where it said the motor had never been run in all my pm's and description of vehicle.
03-08-2009, 10:46 AM
tigweld

Quote:

Originally Posted by colman

mean green?

I would not buy their junk

I would buy a gear reduction it will solve your problem. there are lots available

I have had good luck with csr

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...94908216#rstop

and power master

the 9600 model on this page is bad ass I have used it on several really tight engine bay early cars

http://www.powermastermotorsports.co..._starters.html
03-08-2009, 10:52 AM
KrazyKarl02

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Originally Posted by Seth

Some of the guys were talking about this at the lemons race. The LT1 comes in 94-96 roadmasters and caprices, not just cop cars.

This is good information, if we were talking about an LT1..... Here is a picture of a tuned port injection motor (not an LT1), see the peanut, dead give away....
03-08-2009, 10:54 AM
TxCruzr

I went through 2 starters in less then a year and then switched to a power master and it's still going after 4 or so years.
03-08-2009, 10:57 AM
KrazyKarl02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryg79

Im curious why you thought the cam needed to be broken in, i couldnt find anywhere where it said the motor had never been run in all my pm's and description of vehicle.

My understanding was the motor had been rebuilt and then the guy decided to swap to fuel injection. If you look at the rest of the drivetrain it appears this way. There is no mud/dirt on the engine oil pan, but there is dirt/mud on the tranny oil pan. I could be wrong though. Either way the engine had been setting up for atleast 2 to 3 years, so running it at different RPM's should have thrown oil every where.
03-08-2009, 12:18 PM
DRAGOONRANCH

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrazyKarl02

see the peanut, dead give away....

hold on, let me get my bi-focals...
03-08-2009, 05:07 PM
Seth

I know, but in your post you said "caprice cop car with LT1", which I took as you meaning only the cop car caprices had the LT1, when in fact the normal ones had them too. It was completely off topic either way.
03-08-2009, 08:34 PM
CheapJeep

I'm running a proform hi torque ministarter with block hugger headers on the jeep, provides plenty of space between the downtube. The chevelle has long tube hooker comp headers like yours and an o.e. style starter without a heat shield. Haven't had an issues so far.
03-08-2009, 08:38 PM
KrazyKarl02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth

I know, but in your post you said "caprice cop car with LT1",

I actually never said that.... Grayson did, see my picture at the left of this post, now find something from Grayson, again see the peanut, dead give away.
03-09-2009, 08:01 AM
eight

The LT1 also came in Monte Carlos.
03-09-2009, 08:32 AM
tigweld

Quote:

Originally Posted by eight

The LT1 also came in Monte Carlos.

u sure, I don't think there is a front drive variant

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