off-road suspension references

i just reminded myself why i hate pirate so much. i did a backdoor search for 4 link stuff and read over some threads. the guys that get on there and try to sound like they know what they are talking about and the arguements over simple engineering principles are more than i can handle. i dont like trying to learn something i dont know much about and having to sort through tons of BS at the same time. i tired some other on-line forums as well and found pretty much the same thing. i feel ike im in 6th grade again learning about sex from my peers.

does anyone know of any good off-road suspension references? preferrably in print so as to validate them. ive read several good race suspension design books but ive never seen an off-road one. is the sport still too young to be documented? st. john?

i found this on amazon:


not what im looking for though
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/155...Fencoding=UTF8

pirate is probably the best you are going to find. It's a pain in the ass, but just sift through the crap. There are a couple of guys that know what they are talking about. One of them is a guy from australia, I can't remember his name at the moment, but I think he has a cruiser of some sort.

Some people spout theory, some spout experience, and some do both...

thats a good idea. if you know any of the names of the guys that actually know what they are talking about post them up.

ive seen several guys that just learn solid works, draw a solid model and regurgitate what they heard elsewhere. its really annoying.

btw, what happened to the search on pirate?

I beleive its strangerover

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thats a good idea. if you know any of the names of the guys that actually know what they are talking about post them up.

ive seen several guys that just learn solid works, draw a solid model and regurgitate what they heard elsewhere. its really annoying.

btw, what happened to the search on pirate?

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I think they had problems with the search either slowing down the board or locking up the board. Are you using google?

Google seems to work much better in some cases.

Search on pirate is working but it's only available to red and yellow star members now.

Triaged is the name of the guy that created that Excel four link calculator....he seems to know alot about how it works. If I remember any other names I'll let ya know.

I don't know if you found the four link calculator or not, but if not I can email a copy to you.

on pirate goat1, gordon, ed e. (something), are all people that came from the desert race scene and all seem to be real intelligent especially ed e. ___?____.

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Search on pirate is working but it's only available to red and yellow star members now.

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That's gay.

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That's gay.

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yes, i agree.

no, i do not have the 4-link calc. aggie_cox at yahoo.com please.

i used yahoo. ill try google and see if its any different.

thanks fellas.

i have a star, use it your discression

i dont think thats how you spell discression

awesome. you da man. i dont care what jimmy says.

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on pirate goat1, gordon, ed e. (something), are all people that came from the desert race scene and all seem to be real intelligent especially ed e. ___?____.

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stevens

John you should register here and ask all your questions. I think you and "Bandit" would get along really well :flipoff2:

no, that sounds like a site full of douche jesse james wanna-be's

that jeep book sucks. its just magazine article reprints.

fred puhn had a book I read at the library with some stuff in it that was decent, but mostly road race stuff

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that jeep book sucks. its just magazine article reprints.

fred puhn had a book I read at the library with some stuff in it that was decent, but mostly road race stuff

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yeah, i noticed that. its the big book of bolt-ons.

is this the book your talking about?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/091...Fencoding=UTF8

yes

while were talking about references. ill point out carrol smith's series. i dont how many know of them but they are the Bible of the racecar world. the engineer to win should be read by anyone building they're own vehicle. ive never read his fastener book but i bet its just as good.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...s=carrol+smith

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ive never read his fastener book but i bet its just as good.

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it can't possibly be better than Billavista's...
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anybody got specific build-ups on their favorites with good 3 or 4-link info?


edit: pictures are guud.

how about this one? anybody read it?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156...lance&n=283155

looks expensive

have you dug through any SAE papers? I'll bet theres quite a few on suspension design.

the reviews are good..buy it so I can borrow it

ran across this one that is probably the best I've seen so far, and it was written in 1948

Automobile Chassis Design by Dean Averns

talks about axle design, proper gearing for peak torque, brake efficiency, fuel consumption, and horsepower, and a bunch of other stuff I haven't had time to go through yet.

vettboy on pirate has good stuff

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vettboy on pirate has good stuff

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he's a no fabbing punk

just trying to help out. It looked like it woud hold up though.

triaged and ed a stevens are the two best ones ive found on there.

I like Tigweld's stuff, but he's mostly a webwheeler! :flipoff2:

after talking with a couple of CORR truck builders and crew chiefs, it seems there is very little engineering involved in the design of desert trucks. its all just know how and "it just works" design. therefore i will add to this thread with a list of my favorite race car design books.

milliken
"RCVD"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156...lance&n=283155

carrol Smith
"tune to win"
http://www.amazon.com/Tune-Win-Carro...3273535&sr=1-1

carrol smith
"engineer to win"
http://www.amazon.com/Engineer-Motor...3273707&sr=1-2

thomas gillespie
"fundamentals of vehicle dynamics"
http://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-V...3273846&sr=1-1

john dixon
"tires suspension and handling"
http://www.amazon.com/Tires-Suspensi...3273991&sr=8-1