The injectors I want are 150 mm^3, otherwise known as "Baby Swamps"
In response to this:
"I was talking to some guys in my off road club about me getting some injectors. They kept saying that my driveability would be decreased, my fuel mileage would drop significantly - not because of a lead foot, and that my EGTs would be too high to tow anymore. I have seen countless threads on here about mileage and EGTs, etc, but when I search for "swamp" I don't find much at all. I apologize for asking questions I already know, but I need sources (as in quoting people that actually have them" rather than quoting threads I have read before but can't find anymore....
So... All power aside...
How are the EGTs?
Does the stock mode of a chip negate the benefit of babies? <-- most important!
Could I tow up to 20k with babies installed and no intercooler?
How is mileage without the lead foot?
As far as truck specifics go - the only mods I have are in my signature.
Thanks!"
They posted this:
http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbt...=1#Post1738801
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Those guys don't know. I pulled my trailer this weekend - 10000# box and touched 1250 once going up a long grade at 75 maintained speed , no intercooler. The key is to have a good flip chip. Swamp or twildman can help with that. All I can say is gettum, you won't be sorry....Forgot to add, my milege is better empty and the same loaded.
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I dont know about 20k havent had to pull that big of a load yet but i have pulled some big loads (tn mule) and didnt have any probrlems. Unlike some of the older staged injectros it is a little easier to control egts with the baby swamps because of the stock nozzels. Like jon said get you a good multi position chip that you can control. I have noted that with the baby swamps in 50-75 hp TRS program i have more power then needed to go up the hill and find my self backing out of the throttle instead of getting into it therfore egts are not a probrlem. Ignore those guys and go drag thier trucks home for em when they break. Travis
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This depends greatly on wich injecors you go with. If you go with the Babys without a chip you will be pretty much the same as stock. Same egt, power, driveability etc. With a chip you get get a very nice increase in hp. Your egts will go up quite a bit DEPENDING ON PROGRAMMING. You fuel mileage will stay pretty close to the same if you drive it nice but will go down if you rod on it. Driveability will stay pretty much the same also depending on programming. Now if you start getting into the bigger injectors with bigger nozzles then you might start to see some driveability issues and excessive black smoke all the tiem and high EGTs as they describe. It just depends on the injectors you go with and what your ultimate goals are.
You should be able to pull 20K with the babys without an intercooler but you wouldn't want to do it in a high hp setting. You would want a heavy tow program to use with it to do that. Hope this helps you out!
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I am running the 175's and 4 position chip. I can hit 1300 but that is with the chip on #3 and 4 and driving like a nut! With the mods you have you will be fine with the Baby's and a multi position chip.
Just do it! Then the group of off roaders you talk to will ask where you got them (once they catch up to you)!
Rick H.......Michael,
After reading this post again, I relized who you were!
I'll tell ya what, I will be in C.S. sometime in late June or early July, we can hook up and hook my truck to what ever you want and you try it for yourself! Of course that is if you can wait that long! If not, we'll just hook up and have a burger or something. Folks live outside of town just past the airport.
Rick H...
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1st set of baby's and a gcw of anywhere from 28k-36k, every Saturday night, Arbuckle mountain 75 miles an hour, egts comfortably at 1350 or so, passing cars without looking back.
Michael, if you really wanna know about towing with them, come up to the North Texas rally at the end of the month, I will bring an 18ft car hauler with me and we can load someones truck on it and go for a ride, then you will know for sure about them.
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I have the 225's single shot, but i also have an intercooler. My fuel milage went up by about 2 mpg empty, and stayed the same loaded. EGT's are the same in a 40hp tow setting that they were in a 60hp tow setting with stock injectors, but in the 40hp setting it puts down about 310hp. I would not be afraid to tow anything i could hook to in that setting (except for fear of breaking drive line components ) As for smoke, 40hp setting stock ammount of smoke, but in the 140 settings, it depends, if you lug it it pours smoke, but if the RPM's are up just a light haze up to about 3/4 throttle, then it is just black no matter what. you can tow in the high setting, but you really have to watch EGT's.
I would not reccomend getting the 225's though, high pressure oil is a huge limiting factor right now, it is what is holding me at 350hp, i would go with 200cc's or less with the 99.5-newer HPOP.
JMHO
Scott
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Roger that Brian, The Babies were the best investment that I have made for my Ford. Now, I am not even wishing that I had bought a Cummins powered truck. If I want more power , I just turn the flip switch. As with any Modified system , you need the gauges to monitor things. These are things that I am sure you already know. There some dealers that will try and "talk you into " using their product, as it is better. All I can say dealing with SWAMP and his crew is a pleasure. Give Dixie @ Swamps a call, you will NOT be disappointed. ------JUST MY .02 worth -------- Joe