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    the ME shop has the tools to do the splines. indexing head and spindle for a cutter. you'll have to find out what the spline profile is like and order a cutter with the correct angle on it.

    give me a call if you want me to help out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agjohn02
    the ME shop has the tools to do the splines. indexing head and spindle for a cutter. you'll have to find out what the spline profile is like and order a cutter with the correct angle on it.

    give me a call if you want me to help out.
    yeah, i saw the SAE car guys do it last year... I might go ahead and order some steel as once it's set up it's not too bad to cut the spline.

    By the way it's Rockwell Hardness 60c
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Krebs
    yeah, i saw the SAE car guys do it last year... I might go ahead and order some steel as once it's set up it's not too bad to cut the spline.

    By the way it's Rockwell Hardness 60c

    they were following the manual i wrote

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    Quote Originally Posted by agjohn02
    they were following the manual i wrote
    where's the manual?

    Here's how I was going to do it:

    Use dividing head and set up cutter to the center.

    Find the correct disc for 31 splines.

    Chuck up the shaft in the dividing head.

    Cut first spline.

    Rotate dividing head on disc x amount of times.

    Repeat 30 more times.


    Sound like a plan?

    Our shop has the right cutter. However, it doesn't seem like it's that sharpest thing in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Krebs
    yeah, i saw the SAE car guys do it last year... I might go ahead and order some steel as once it's set up it's not too bad to cut the spline.

    By the way it's Rockwell Hardness 60c
    You can not use carbide on that they prob finish ground it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbronco86
    You can not use carbide on that they prob finish ground it.
    yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Krebs
    yes
    1. Dont talk to me like that you a$$ I got you that job in the first place

    2. I really dont think you need the DRO to find the Bolt circle anyway. Damn 2nd rate machinist

    3. Dont you have a 24'' caplier over at the big press?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbronco86

    1. Dont talk to me like that you a$$ I got you that job in the first place
    I appreciate it. Cable co.

    Quote Originally Posted by fbronco86
    2. I really dont think you need the DRO to find the Bolt circle anyway. Damn 2nd rate machinist?
    No, but to get everything concentric it's about the only way i know of doing it... See I'm not only measuring the bolt circle at the front of the case, I'm measuring the bolt holes at the split in the case... In review I'm measuring both at the same time and the relationship between them.

    Quote Originally Posted by fbronco86
    3. Dont you have a 24'' caplier over at the big press?
    No, only 12"
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    Quote Originally Posted by fbronco86
    You can not use carbide on that they prob finish ground it.
    PS smarty pants. If I anneal it so I can cut it, how much do you think the overall dimensions will be off?

    PS I know **** about annealing and heat treating
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Krebs
    where's the manual?

    Here's how I was going to do it:

    Use dividing head and set up cutter to the center.

    Find the correct disc for 31 splines.

    Chuck up the shaft in the dividing head.

    Cut first spline.

    Rotate dividing head on disc x amount of times.

    Repeat 30 more times.


    Sound like a plan?

    Our shop has the right cutter. However, it doesn't seem like it's that sharpest thing in the world.

    line the indexing head up with a dial guage. chuck it up in the indexer and check the runout on both ends with a dial guage as you turn the shaft. this'll get you straight and its easier than trying to find the center of the chuck.

    as far as finding the verticle center, measure the width of the cutter. touch it off to the top of the shaft and move down half the distance on the cutter plus half the diameter of the shaft.

    be sure you keep track of what hole you're on in the disk. its usually not something nice and easy to remember. like one round plus 16 holes. be sure you mark the one your on before you try to move to the next. you'll lose count and be screwed.

    i guess trying to line up on existing splines will just be an eyeball thing....


    crap. it'd just be easier for me to find the maual for you. i dont wanna type this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Krebs
    PS smarty pants. If I anneal it so I can cut it, how much do you think the overall dimensions will be off?

    PS I know **** about annealing and heat treating
    I don't think annealing it will change the dimensions, only heat treatment like quenching.

    I wish you would all stop your bickering, I worked at the ECAE lab before any of you and managed to mess enough stuff up to give you both job security in fixing things.

    I also worked at Pasta Co. before both of you.

    All this makes me very mad, cause you are forgetting the one person that made this all possible, Chuck Norris, Let us not forget that on the zeroth day Chuck Norris created god, he then made god do all the rest of the work while he banged chicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyKarl02
    All this makes me very mad, cause you are forgetting the one person that made this all possible, Chuck Norris, Let us not forget that on the zeroth day Chuck Norris created god, he then made god do all the rest of the work while he banged chicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertf03
    my dog shat on his lawn once
    key word ONCE, just like the dinosaurs, they pissed Chuck Norris off, ONCE!!!
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    realisticly, how much will the dimension change when it's heat treated? there are no bearings that ride on this shaft, just spline engagement. On the other hand the tranny shaft is another story, but I'll cross that line when I get there.
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