a new motor swap

[jerryg79]

I wonder how serviceble it is? what happens when you get an exhaust leak...by the looks of the pic it would be several hours to just get to the problem. Cool ideas...almost seems like a design excersise that is being produced which many times may not be practical.


I still can't figure out why someone can not produce a 180-200 hp diesel for sport utes small trucks that will give you 25+ mpg.
Whats the point of having a 310 hp diesel that gets 18 mpg(inflated...I doubt it would get that in a burb) @$3.40 gal w/ a probably $4k+ (I would guess $5K maybe more) buy in premium when you can get a 5.3, 6.0, 8.1 that get 16, 12, 12 mpg @ $2.80 gal w/ around a $1000 buy in premium for the 8.1. I know some will say the 520 ft/lbs of torque..well the 8.1 has what, 480 ft/lbs? and will probaly cost $4k less.
operating cost:
fuel only
Gas $2.80 @ 12 mpg= $0.233/mile
Diesel $3.40 @ 18 mpg = $0.19/mile...again I doubt it will get that..friend of mine has an '06 Dmax that gets 13.5 mpg
$4k initial cost diff $1k for the 8.1 $5k diesel =$4k
100,000 miles of driving before you break even. I know diesels have a higher resale. but gas trucks really don't drop that much before a 100,000k so you get about the same percentage drop in resale...especially if it is an HD.
what is the D-max now? a $7k option?
other downsides: a diesel is a lot more expensive to repair. oil changes are expensive, fuel filters and fuel quality has to be closely monitored
I like them, wish I could afford a new one and wish Diesel didn't cost so much. I bet the new burbs are 60k+ w/ the diesel maybe even pushing $70k. I'll keep the quadrasteer a couple of more years and do donuts around them until one comes up used.

did you steal chadnutz math book

toyota has the small motor you speak of but doesnt sell it in the us, jeep had it for a couple years (i think) but doesnt loook like its in the line-up anymore.

[Graystroke]

I know yota has one...and what are they going to put in the tundra? some big cat motor? right? (a rumor a few years ago) or do they have their own now? everybody has to one up the other guy.
anyways, why can't they make small diesels for 1/2 ton p/u like little +/-3.0L straight 6's.
same for suv's.
LR 300TDI 111 hp diesel gets over 30 mpg in a barn door aerodynamic defender. hp Isuzu 4BD1T (4cyl in cab forward Isuzu box trucks you see everywhere) 110-130 hp. can move 10k no problem...if you ever been behind/next to one then you know they are not slow. One of those transplanted in a small truck return 25-28 mpg.
I guess when gas sees $4/gal we will see more

[Graystroke]

did you steal chadnutz math book

yeah and i turned it up side down and read it backwords and this is what it said...scary

[jerryg79]

I know yota has one...and what are they going to put in the tundra? some big cat motor? right? (a rumor a few years ago) or do they have their own now? everybody has to one up the other guy.
anyways, why can't they make small diesels for 1/2 ton p/u like little +/-3.0L straight 6's.
same for suv's.
LR 300TDI 111 hp diesel gets over 30 mpg in a barn door aerodynamic defender. hp Isuzu 4BD1T (4cyl in cab forward Isuzu box trucks you see everywhere) 110-130 hp. can move 10k no problem...if you ever been behind/next to one then you know they are not slow. One of those transplanted in a small truck return 25-28 mpg.
I guess when gas sees $4/gal we will see more

wont increased diesel vehicles on the road = increased demand for diesel = higher diesel prices since from what i've gathered we havent increased refining capacity for diesel in quite a while, and not all refineries can produce ULS diesel. (this is more of a question, than a statement of fact)

[Graystroke]

oh, I'm sure it will, they will find a way to justify higher cost...I wonder what the gallons sold was say in 1990 vs today? when dieslewas less than reg. gas. I guess the oil companies have increased gas refining cap and not diesel...funny, I thought they all came from the same place. Doesn't everything petroleum related come off the same cracking tower? fuels up top, asphalts bottom? maybe it's the secondary processes that hold it up.

[Graystroke]

the oil companies are fawking us! according to this diesel and gasoline come out of the same tube! mother fawkers!
http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining4.htm

[Seth]

I think that saying diesel is that much more expensive than gas is not entirely accurate. I don't watch closely, but it seems that diesel is lower than gas at times as well. They each have ups and downs, but just at different times.

[jerryg79]

I think that saying diesel is that much more expensive than gas is not entirely accurate. I don't watch closely, but it seems that diesel is lower than gas at times as well. They each have ups and downs, but just at different times.

diesel fluctuates less than gas in general, down in the summer, up in the winter for heating oil. The trend is essentially gone now as the oil companies are sticking to anybody and everybody citing the cliche' reason of the week.

I have an idea, nobody buy gas on tuesday, send this idea to all your friends, I'm going to start an email forward! we'll get those ****ers!

[CheapJeep]

I wonder if they'll still have another 6.6L Duramax version for the HD's. I read that the current LMM 6.6L Duramax is an "interim" model (365hp/660lbft) and that they have something "bigger and better" in the works. I couldn't imagine them only offering the 4.5L which would be directed towards 1/2 tons and maybe as a smaller diesel engine option in 3/4 tons. Kind of like the 6.0 to the 8.1 gassers (they don't offer the 8.1 anymore?).

[Graystroke]

I think that saying diesel is that much more expensive than gas is not entirely accurate. I don't watch closely, but it seems that diesel is lower than gas at times as well. They each have ups and downs, but just at different times.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

[mudtoy67]

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

doesn't work

[Graystroke]

it wouldn't let me link
Diesel prices top in Red
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1998 1.190 1.164 1.143 1.138 1.133 1.132 1.124 1.108 1.099 1.110 1.096 1.060
1998 1.066 1.016 0.992 0.993 1.005 1.015 1.004 0.981 0.954 0.976 0.966 0.925
1999 1.053 1.049 1.048 1.098 1.105 1.106 1.114 1.155 1.202 1.229 1.235 1.280
1999 0.903 0.891 0.907 1.039 1.064 1.054 1.090 1.149 1.190 1.215 1.202 1.245
2000 1.309 1.468 1.523 1.477 1.446 1.469 1.475 1.463 1.605 1.611 1.610 1.596
2000 1.247 1.316 1.474 1.442 1.434 1.509 1.534 1.449 1.475 1.456 1.443 1.395
2001 1.562 1.568 1.511 1.491 1.497 1.504 1.447 1.419 1.482 1.411 1.332 1.298
2001 1.385 1.418 1.370 1.476 1.584 1.537 1.355 1.301 1.395 1.259 1.113 1.024
2002 1.280 1.269 1.302 1.368 1.389 1.364 1.356 1.353 1.387 1.457 1.462 1.441
2002 1.063 1.060 1.176 1.360 1.359 1.329 1.324 1.327 1.330 1.395 1.396 1.338
2003 1.508 1.654 1.764 1.692 1.571 1.509 1.489 1.514 1.518 1.486 1.468 1.482
2003 1.422 1.560 1.611 1.538 1.420 1.395 1.421 1.502 1.558 1.459 1.407 1.393
2004 1.560 1.566 1.605 1.630 1.693 1.683 1.676 1.771 1.847 2.064 2.121 2.019
2004 1.512 1.568 1.640 1.705 1.870 1.901 1.817 1.788 1.781 1.903 1.903 1.789
2005 1.959 1.986 2.148 2.265 2.210 2.269 2.360 2.443 2.804 3.224 2.725 2.498
2005 1.749 1.842 1.973 2.188 2.091 2.067 2.195 2.415 2.875 2.816 2.277 2.131
2006 2.530 2.498 2.567 2.713 2.844 2.866 2.894 2.979 2.777 2.561 2.543 2.576
2006 2.280 2.241 2.329 2.717 2.820 2.774 2.887 2.880 2.442 2.128 2.118 2.220
2007 2.517 2.471 2.635 2.855 2.842 2.825 2.832 2.837 2.913 3.009
2007 2.127 2.132 2.437 2.734 2.967 2.922 2.861 2.687 2.700 2.700

[agjohn02]

i payed $.75 in '99



you should put those in an excel spreadsheet to make whatever point it is you are trying to make

[jerryg79]

i payed $.75 in '99



you should put those in an excel spreadsheet to make whatever point it is you are trying to make

i paid $.69 at this little raghead gas station on 1314 in '99, no credit card machine, cash only, later i stopped there in samantha's car and filled up and the car ran like sh!t for the entire tank, but my bronco burned through it so fast im pretty sure i could have filled up with diesel and it wouldnt have cared.

[agjohn02]

that gas probably would have been great for a crower 6 stroke